From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #204 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, June 15 1999 Volume 05 : Number 204 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: A word for electronica [the bad kind of puppy ] Beth Beth Baby! (was: under pressure) [the bad kind of puppy ] Re: Land Of The Blind [Dirk Kastens ] Reeling URL change [Laura Clifford ] Neile's April Acquisitions [Neile Graham ] Opener for Happy in Philly [Anthony_Matern@vanguard.com] Re: Opener for Happy in Philly [jburka@min.net] Re: A word for electronica [Neile Graham ] Also [Neile Graham ] Re: Also [jburka@min.net] Re: Also [Brian Bloom ] Natacha Atlas and Ectronica and Gothereal [John Drummond ] Re: Also [Andrew Fries ] Re: A word for electronica [Andrew Fries ] mollie obrien [Neile Graham ] Re: mollie obrien [Carolyn Andre ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 03:02:26 -0400 From: the bad kind of puppy Subject: Re: A word for electronica hi my lovlies, i tell people, and it's true, that i'm a lover not a writer but late at night the Words tell me "you're no writer you're just our typer" but neither thing is true. words play rough so i play rougher; maybe i'm a fighter after all? || and the 3 ruffians beset the widow's daughter, sore upon || her they pressed, and ever of her they demanded: || "tell us the Word! tell us the Word! tell us the Word!" Neile wrote: > Just wanted to see if we could brainstorm a genre term for the kind of > music that is frequently called trip-hop or electronica or sometimes acid > jazz (it seems to be that none of these terms are quite right). I'm > talking about some umbrella phrase that covers bands that seem to be doing > slightly similar things with vocals (usually intensely emotional) over > electronic sampling (often with the usual instrumental suspects but oh my. i would say first that this is not an easy thing because, well, i turned a card for the Work, chosen from the swords only of course, and it was the 3 of swords, and doesn't that say it all better than i might? when you sit near techno names change quicker than a straight girl grabs her boyfriend when you catch her eye, and if 2 people through the grace of aphex twin should *agree* on what a name means anyway it's only the e talking anyway. mmmm sweetie we both *know* this is deep house but i'll call it acid trance all night long if you just keep rubbing that vicks on me ok? John wranted: > right now... they actually coined a term that we > *can't* de-coin, since it works just too too well... > "electronica" is just the CHEESIEST word in the words can be born that never were before, but words cannot be killed, ever ever ever ever ever. so do not call up any that you might someday wish to put down. words may die of lonliness though, and return sulkily in boredom to the womb of words, en utero logos (yes i know latin is not greek), to wait again til someone cries their Name. electronica as a word, the popular word of now, is a Darth Insiduous, a quick and evil path whose walking Damns the music to a straitened narrow fate. it is a cliffs notes for experience, a surrogate for listening, a garlicky totem waved by rag hacks to intern unruly genradicals into tidy little camps, named & tagged, bagged and slabbed, then stacked a dozen high in orderly saleable rows. well ok maybe it's not that bad, you know sometimes i get carried away, despite the true true fact that my only passion is apathy and oh yes! does that ever include Janeane. :) and no offense meant to those of us, me too me too, who *use* the word, it's so so easy and people understand it or think they do. really he's a word with a full dance card because for most people that's all the detail they need - "electronica", it's all that music over there. a friend of mine says our schools here now teach that europe is a country and england, france and germany are big cities there, and electronica is that same shortcut for people who don't want to know the details. it's the executive summary, the instant microwave just add water shrink wrap non-understanding for people who *really never will* need to know the details. you might as well say "it's a flower" for every flower that ever was, when *just* amongst irises, only one type out of a seemingly uncountable host of flowers, there is enough variety and beauty to paralyze your mind into silence and stop your breath forever. but still... >> "Hey babe, I need a name." Neal then Andrew wrote: > > I don't think we are stuck with it, since veronica (aka > > winona@mildh.pair.com), in one of her wonderfully rambling posts came up > > with a name that was (at least to my eyes and ears) perfect. Now if only I > > I dug up the post I think you meant - vol5, issue 110... the word was > "gothereal", but it was used more in the context of music that is largely it's so hard to ever know what someone is thinking but i am thinking that that was not the word Neal was thinking of. i think elEctotronica may have been the word, or Ectotronica which is easier to say, or perhaps Ectronica which is almost maybe euphonalicious. remember that words are the most often things you caress with your tongue and think that it would be happiest if the experience was enjoyable for you both. i used to use "Ectechno" for myself, when the Beauty in the Beat so inspired me, and i think upon some reflection that this may be the word i do still prefer, sometimes with words if not with people, the older lover is the better. > let's hope Veronica can come up with another one. No pressure or > anything :) well i hate to disappoint but know that sometimes i will, though i'm usually happy to try. any day and either way it is very nice to be appreciated, my thank yous and shout outs to Neal and Andrew especially. :) i have to agree when a couple people said that electronica means "ambient techno", something very electronic and almost always avocal, saying electronica to describe sneaker pimps for instance grates on my ears, but of course they are only my ears. i think it's safe-ish to say that trip hop and acid jazz are used less and mean rather more specific things. i liked "trip pop" because i'm not sure it ever meant *anything* and thus it means many things, and i have a soft spot for Discordian words which trick you into thinking they mean something but are so chameleonic that you bruise your own toe with what you think they mean, while they slip away, Loki-like and giggling. i guess at the end if i have gifts for you tonight they are Ectechno and Ectronica. techno and Ecto are wide enough words to cover what sharper knives will not, and Neile's list needed i think not an umbrella but a Cristo-sized canvas to keep even half of those people from the rain. yellow if you please? the Ecto part of it will need explanation as always, but we must all be well used to that by now? || and though sorely distressed, she kept the silence throughout; || in the end, she answered them not. peace and sweet words, veronica - --- "for there are some secrets that are always safe, because they can only be told to those who already know them." - Jung ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 03:44:40 -0400 From: the bad kind of puppy Subject: Beth Beth Baby! (was: under pressure) so i went with a bunch of friends and finally i got to see Beth Orton, at the 9:30 club a week and some ago. wow! what can i say but woooowww!! i heard the show was sold out, it was full, but not crammed like it sometimes is. Meredith wrote: > [...] Beth Orton on Letterman last night [...] > But since I've never had the chance to see her perform live myself, > I just have to ask - is she always like that, or was she just totally > freaked at playing on TV? She looked and sounded positively terrified. i wondered this when the show started, Beth seemed... well i don't know if her voice needed to be warmed up or if she needed to warm up to us? my friend Kristen seemed to think Beth was nervous at first, though the crowd obviously adored her and she seemed pretty comfortable. so i don't know. i do know that before too long all such wonderings were long gone and Beth was just awesome! not even just some, but awelots, or awetons! She did a good variety of songs, from trailer park and best bit and central reservation, and you kind of knew there were encores to come because of not having done stolen car, and so forth. it seemed like she did a whole lot of songs, and the more emotional songs were quite powerful, she can put a surprising lot of emotion into her presence. i think this might even be part of why it seemed like she needed to warm up, it seemed to me that earlier in the show she had a bit of trouble, or was just on the ragged edge, during some of the more emotional moments of some songs. it didn't seem to me so much like nervousness but more like... emotion out of control. but like i said, for the largest part of the show she was just incredible and no ifs ands or buts. Beth was too too cute, i really liked her stage presence and it was really quite strong for someone who seemed so shy. there were a bunch of cute things at the end, when her guitar died and she had to use one of her guitarist's guitars which had a kind of big clunky pickup in a place that she did not seem used to, and she'd get kind of embarassed when the pickup would get in the way of her playing, but it was a lost cause because we were all hopelessly in love with her by then and it just made things worse. :) the last straw was near the end, i think in the middle encore maybe?, when she shyly asked us all "would you like me to play another song for you?", and if there is a word for underquestion, like understatement, you know?, then that was the underquestion of the year and the crowd cheering "Yes!" i think drowned out even the pa. Beth wore white sneakers, according to Heather, who keeps track of this sort of thing, and much to our collective delight, Beth was every bit as much of a dyke magnet as Sarah, and even a pretty strong straight girl magnet, if my friends are any indication! don't ask me though how i know this, ok? i'm sworn to silence on that score. if you like her albums, go see her. wow! -v ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 03:01:20 -0500 From: Kay S Cleaves Subject: Happy Birthday Ecto and various other musings Hey folks! Just wanted to add warm fuzzies to ecto for making the virtual world a kinder, safer place to be. (Pardon the cliche.) Every once in a while I go back and browse through the newsgroups I was reading when I discovered ecto. None are quite the same. This is a haven. On another note: Out of curiosity, do any of our European ectophiles have suggestions for a pan-European internet provider? I may be needing to move over there for quite a while (we're talking two years here) in the near future, and would not want to be webless. Think of all the digests I'd have to catch up on! Land of the Blind: Cyoakha sent me a copy of OOC about a year ago, and it still sees frequent play. I'm glad to hear that she's done it again with Azigza, and hope to get to SF sometime soon so I can hear her latest musical incarnation. Ecto WPKN: I would love to hear your show on Radio Free Ecto, Meth and Valerie! Hope you manage to play it sometime when I'm home to hear it! - --Kay np: WPKN over realaudio. ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 05:35:28 -0400 From: dave Subject: Joining the Webring etc. the ecto webring main site is at: http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Gala/8060/Webring.html Just go there and click on Happy's lovely drawing to join. You can also get a list of all the sites from there, I see there have been a few new additions lately. Happy b'day to the list, as well as Kasia Kowalska, who I just watched in a movie called Nocne Graffiti that I only understood about 3 words of.. the soundtrack is great though... I may send a couple of tracks from it for the Happy birthday project. I've been hearing Jonatha Brooke's name coming up a lot lately, quite a few members of the Caedmon's Call Guild (fanclub type thing) have been raving about her lately. I've also been playing the new Chasing Furies CD, which sounds a bit like her, to death lately... I think it's going to place very high on my top ten list this year. +-----------------------------------------------+ + dave + + Visit Sideshow Bob's House of Wax and Waffles + + Female vocalists, Christian, and Polish music + + -=-=- and the fabulous Kasia Kowalska -=-=- + + http://magpage.com/~sspan/ + +-----------------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:29:17 +0200 From: Dirk Kastens Subject: Re: Land Of The Blind At 08:24 13.06.99 -0700, Jack Sutton wrote: >Basically, it's the kind of music that really excites me, the kind of music >I want to tell other people about and share it as much as possible. >I think we have a treasure in our midst, Land Of The Blind. Where can I get their CDs in Europe / Germany ?????????? I briefly listened to LotB at the last ecto meeting at Klaus & Claudia's and I was very excited, too. Dirk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:56:35 -0400 From: Laura Clifford Subject: Reeling URL change In case anyone's interested, Reeling's URL has changed from www.neponset.com/reeling to www.reelingreviews.com. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 22:01:19 -0800 From: Neile Graham Subject: Neile's April Acquisitions This was a month of obscurities, mostly. The most mainstream thing we got this month was Eleni Mandell's _wishbone_--does it count as mainstream if it's on her own label?--which I haven't finished sorting out in my mind yet. I can now hear the Liz Phair stuff in it--there are only a couple of songs that sound Phair-ish. It's mostly all over the place, with a strong indie/bluesy feel, hence the Tom Waits comments she's been getting. Her voice is not deep and scratchy so I can't imagine any vocal comparisons, and her songwriting doesn't seem that similar to me. Possibly mainstream is a sampler a friend sent us of Alice Temple's upcoming album _Hang Over_. It's pretty mainstream dancy rock (small NY label, V2 Records) and I don't really like 4 of the 5 songs on the album but I love the final song, "Western Side" which is a collaboration between Alice Temple, Marianne Faithfull, and Barry Reynolds--it's a great song, and really shows the Marianne Faithfull influence, even if they misspell her name on the packing (rather elaborate for a sampler, too). Also semi-mainstream are the two lamb "b-line" singles, but of course they were sent to us from England, so they don't count. It's a great songs, and a harbinger of a wonderful album. (More about that next month since it just arrived.) It was an import kind of month, as from Germany via the UK (thanks Geoff) I got a package of discs that included Anja Garbarek's _Balloon Mood_ (just in time to digest it so I could agree utterly with Glenn Macdonald's The War Against Silence review)--it's strange and wonderful, a journey, the live Rainbirds disc _3000.live_, which is pretty much as good as I'd expect, and another weird and mesmerizing Iva Bittova disc, _Classic_, which is her versions of some classic tunes. Through exchanges with Scandinavian ectophiles I received three discs that I definitely need to explore more. so far Maria Mattlar Pariisi's _Vuorenkyla_ is slowly growing on me. It's gentle, quiet pop, which is not normally to my taste but there's something appealing about this. Juha tells me it's in the lyrics, but as I don't understand Finnish, it must be something else. Maybe I'm predisposed to like it because one of my musical heroes, Gabriel Yacoub, worked on the disc with her. I also got too indie altrock discs, Barusta's _Evolution_ and Fidget's _No Boogie Coming Your Way_ but they don't stand out from the indierock crowd for me me. Jim got the new Low, _Secret Name_, but I find they bore me utterly now--it all sounds the same to me with nothing as catchy as was on their first couple of cds. I also ordered two compilations from a small label in Portland because each of them had two Kaitlyn ni Donovan tracks on them. I've had a tape ep of hers for a couple of years and have been keeping my eyes open hoping for more from her and found these. Word is that she'll have a full album soon--that is really going to be something. She's got a knock out voice and writes songs that are completely and perfectly themselves, and catchy. Speaking of such things, I also got Willow, a local artist's self-titled solo acoustic cd (which turns out to be a CDR). She is also someone I've had a tape ep from, but this only for a few months. She's a strong songwriter in the darker contemporary folk/pop tradition, and she has a dark, deep, strong, raspy expressive voice with a hint of raspiness to go with it. Lots of people are going to like this one. And I also placed an order through an online place that stocks rare releases, www.forcedexposure.com. They have all kinds of cool stuff, like Young Marble Giants and other hard-to-find disc and rare cd re-releases. We picked up an old favourite, Eno/Moebius/Roedelius' _after the heat_, and I picked up a new Anna Homler with with Waegeman and Fajt (who has worked with Iva Bittova), _Corne de Vache_--wonderful experimental rock. And also what prompted the whole order, thanks to a comment by Valerie Kraemer Richardson, Linda Perhacs' _Parallelograms_. What an amazing album! This was done in the early '70s and is the only album Linda Perhacs released. It's psychedelic folky, beauitful, raw in places. It sometimes sounds like early Joni Mitchell and sometimes sounds like contemporary experimental music. I found it captivating. Anyway, my recommendations for other people to definitely check out: Anja Garbarek's _Balloon Mood_, Willow, and Linda Perhac's _Parallelograms_, and the Anna Homler or Iva Bittova (or any Iva Bittova!) for the more experimental-minded in the crowd. - --Neile - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:45:52 -0400 From: Anthony_Matern@vanguard.com Subject: Opener for Happy in Philly Posted on the Tin Angel web site is the opening act for HR on July 24th. Turns out it's Bon Lozaga who founded Project Lo, Gongzilla, et al. A wonderful surprise. Looks to be a magical evening for all those who can make it to Philly. The web site misspelled Bon....it sure as heck ain't Ben. I always thought I cornered the market on misspells. Anyway, Bon's guitar work is smooth, ambient, and very clever. Bon is equally gifted on acoustic and electric guitar. Very much looking forward to this one. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 12:14:09 -0400 (EDT) From: jburka@min.net Subject: Re: Opener for Happy in Philly On Mon, 14 Jun 1999 Anthony_Matern@vanguard.com wrote: > Posted on the Tin Angel web site is the opening act for HR on July 24th. > Turns out it's Bon Lozaga who founded Project Lo, Gongzilla, et al. > A wonderful surprise. Wow. Now I really wish I could go. Oh well... I can't recall if this was mentioned back in October (it probably was, and probably by me... ;-) Bon was in the audience at the Painted Bride show... Can't say it was much of a surprise; he's clearly a real fan. jeff np _A Remedy of Sorts_ (almost at the end of that compilation in support of the NAMES Project that I mentioned last night) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 09:52:04 -0800 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: A word for electronica Thanks to everyone for the discussion, which I found really interesting--the terms shift and change and take on connotations faster than most of the language. Must be something to do with how quickly music shifts and changes. I find the genre game mindbinding, and if it weren't so useful I'd give up on the whole thing. But look for a new genre, Ectronica, coming to an Ectophiles' Guide near you. Probably on Sunday, which seems to be when I upload the week's worth of contributions. Thank you, Veronica (hmm, I just realized the word rhymes with your name...). I should have known we could count on you! My favourite of the terms Veronica has coined is her description of Cocteau Twins, which couldn't be more apt: "alogical idioglossiac vowelerious eaurophonia". Delightful! Speaking of which, I am listening to Lamb's _Fear of Fours_ as I type. We're between Quarters this week, so I can have the boombox on in my office and not drive everyone crazy. Damn, I like this, but I don't think I like the consistently slightly higher voice Louise Rhodes uses in this album as much as I like her singing lower as in their first album. - --Neile - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 10:25:27 -0800 From: Neile Graham Subject: Also It occurred to me I probably should add Gothereal, too, for the Cocteau Twins and Siddal and An April March and Hex and Area and early The Moon Seven Times and all their buddies. As subset of ethereal, but not exactly the same. - --Neile - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 13:36:21 -0400 (EDT) From: jburka@min.net Subject: Re: Also On Mon, 14 Jun 1999, Neile Graham wrote: > > It occurred to me I probably should add Gothereal, too, for the Cocteau > Twins and Siddal and An April March and Hex and Area and early The Moon > Seven Times and all their buddies. Really? Area/M7x? I'm not sure I've ever seen them at all in the goth camp, even as modified with the ethereal moniker. There are surely other bands (most of which I'm sure Craig could remind us) which would be more deserving of the term... jeff (totally psyched to see Lynn Canfield at Borders in a week...) n.p. _Crossroads_, Tracy Chapman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:14:24 -0700 From: Brian Bloom Subject: Re: Also At 01:36 PM 6/14/99 -0400, jburka wrote: >On Mon, 14 Jun 1999, Neile Graham wrote: >> It occurred to me I probably should add Gothereal, too, for the Cocteau >> Twins and Siddal and An April March and Hex and Area and early The Moon >> Seven Times and all their buddies. > >Really? Area/M7x? I'm not sure I've ever seen them at all in the goth >camp, even as modified with the ethereal moniker. There are surely other >bands (most of which I'm sure Craig could remind us) which would be >more deserving of the term... > I can see Area being somewhat "goth", but M7X strikes me as so much more upbeat.. Almost up to Concrete Blonde's level (okay, that's a stretch, but it's still the mental image I have)... So where does His Name is Alive fit in? moo. Brian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 11:22:14 -0700 (PDT) From: John Drummond Subject: Natacha Atlas and Ectronica and Gothereal Y'all, Okay, I've been obsessed with Natacha Atlas for the last like three weeks and for some reason have yet to write to the list about her... for those of y'all who know not, she's a bellydancer and singer from... oh... I think Morocco, but she may be Egyptian... I don't recall, actually, which is gimpy of me... but anyhow, she melds traditional Arabic music with modern Western electronic beats and bass and all that. The "Ectronica" thread reminded me I still hadn't told y'all about her... anyhow, she used to/still does? sing with Transglobal Underground, if any of y'all know them. I believe they're all kinds of world music with beats aplenty... but anyhow, I'm learning Arabic, and so listening to Natacha Atlas I figured would be a good resource, since she sings in Arabic, duh, and so I bought her second album "Halim" and took it home and was totally blown away... and so I ran out the next day and bought her brand-new album "gedida", and Lord... it's some amazing junk too... the neatest thing about her music is that the electronica (pardon me, "Ectronica") elements *ADD* to the Arabic music, rather than taking away, which says to me that it's what we'd call a successful merger of the two styles. Now if only we could successfully synchronize Western and Middle Eastern *politics*! We should all look to Natacha Atlas as a metaphor for how relations between here and there SHOULD be. Whatever. Bad joke. ;D Anyhow, she really rocks. Run, don't walk. And I guess "Ectronica" works for our purposes... but "Gothereal"? As a genre for the Guide? Neile, darlin', that'll be so much extra work, because there are tons of folks who fit into that in *some* way or another... Portishead could be stuck there because of some of their tracks, Lamb definitely has their gothier moments (on the first album, at least), and even Tori... well, "Liquid Diamonds", at least... that song is all kinds of goth, in my mind... well... hmm... just think hard before making that a full-blown genre... ;D So umm... k, bye... John === ain't no way i lost this war and ain't no way you won _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 14:39:02 -0400 (EDT) From: jburka@min.net Subject: Re: Also On Mon, 14 Jun 1999, Brian Bloom wrote: > I can see Area being somewhat "goth", but M7X strikes me as so much more > upbeat.. Almost up to Concrete Blonde's level (okay, that's a stretch, > but it's still the mental image I have)... But Johnette's subject matter tends toward the gothic, especially Their Best Album Ever, _Bloodletting_, while the music is nowhere near ethereal or even goth and might be a lot closer to somewhere between punk and metal, but is, in any event, definitely exemplar of the crunchy side of ecto. So, okay, Lynn Canfield can be morbid (think about that "dreamy eye") but... > So where does His Name is Alive fit in? They're just plain weird. But oh, how I love _Home Is In Your Head_. jeff n.p. still on _Crossroads_. Mmmmm. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:46:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Damon des Jumeaux Subject: kym brown, listweb update, HNIA (rhymes with hernia :) jeff burka responded to br!an: > > So where does His Name is Alive fit in? > > They're just plain weird. But oh, how I love _Home Is In Your Head_. why oh why does this title sound *so* familiar? i think i must have it on a tape somewhere from an old friend... must dig through those musty old tapes... i bought _mouth by mouth_ ages and ages ago, but have never really gotten around to giving it a good listen. i seem to remember a few people saying it was their favourite, though... - -- neile mentioned, re kym brown: > Really wonderful stuff. Go have a listen to the Real Audio files on > her site. ah, if only my realaudio wouldn't keep breaking up unnecessarily; one thing i hate about the linux world - i'm never sure whether problems stem from the beta software or my own messed-up system (well, i need to do some housecleaning) ... at least with windows you can be pretty certain it's both ;) anyway, i managed to hear enough to become quite interested! i will definitely have to have a look next time i'm near hmv. occasionally these days i make trips to the cd stores, but i'm always at a loss for what to buy; after the last couple of years of near-abstinence from cd buying (quite amazing for the EWS-guy ;) i have *no* idea what i might want anymore; i've lost all my skill at music buying. so this will be a welcome chance to know what i want for a change! btw, as neile mentioned, i'd be willing to look for extra copies for anyone who wants them. i don't know yet if there're *any* in stock, since i haven't been to see, but if you're interested and willing to make payment in either a canadian currency money order or canadian/US cash, let me know... - -- and finally, there's listweb. sadly, the glut of free time that prompted its development seems to have vanished, so i'm left with very little time to work on it now. i'm continuing to tinker when i have the time and inclination, but things will be much slower. also, its installment on smoe is going to require some non-trivial changes over there, and as jeff's free time is also at a premium right now, it looks like it might be a while before it's up and running. but at least it's in the works! the test version with archives up to january this year remains at http://jumeaux.bc.ca/smoe/lists.cgi for those interested in testing. i've added a bit of new stuff since first announcing it, but also be aware that the advanced search options for error allowance, as well as for searching within paragraphs or messages, are currently unreliable and will almost certainly return bad results. - -damon Damon Harper des Jumeaux _/>_ "It would help if we could damon@jumeaux.bc.ca __\ /__ somehow raise the average Les Jums: jumeaux@jumeaux.bc.ca \ / level of clue in the universe http://www.jumeaux.bc.ca/damon/ |/||\| by about 437%" - me ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 16:49:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Damon des Jumeaux Subject: missing `np' :) np - loreena mckennitt, _elemental_ - it has been a LONG time. still an excellent album. i may not have mentioned here, but i'm also quite impressed with _book of secrets_; after my somewhat lukewarm feelings towards the production on TMAM i was a little worried, but hurrah! nr - still _six moon dance_ by sheri s. tepper. i hate that any book has to take me weeks to read, in little bits on the bus, these days :/ Damon Harper des Jumeaux _/>_ "The instruction manual said damon@jumeaux.bc.ca __\ /__ `Install Windows NT 4.0 SP2 Les Jums: jumeaux@jumeaux.bc.ca \ / or better', so I installed http://www.jumeaux.bc.ca/damon/ |/||\| Linux." - anonymous ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:18:11 +1000 From: Andrew Fries Subject: Re: Also In a message "Re: Also" on 14/Jun/1999 11:14:24 Brian Bloom says: > Really? Area/M7x? I'm not sure I've ever seen them at all in the goth > camp, even as modified with the ethereal moniker. There are surely other > bands (most of which I'm sure Craig could remind us) which would be > more deserving of the term... Yes, there are other bands that fit into that new genre better... and yet, I know back in the days before "Sunburnt" I used to think of M7X as vaguely goth-related, if never outright Goth. "Sunburnt" and then Shotgun Wedding changed my perception of them, but I still remember my previous view even if I don't quite remember what it was based on. - ------------------------------------------------------ "If Bill Gates had a nickel for every time Windows crashed... Oh wait, he does!" (signature spotted on Slashdot) - ------ http://www.zip.com.au/~afries/hall.html ------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 10:18:14 +1000 From: Andrew Fries Subject: Re: A word for electronica In a message "Re: A word for electronica" on 14/Jun/1999 09:52:04 Neile Graham says: > But look for a new genre, Ectronica, coming to an Ectophiles' Guide near > you. Probably on Sunday, which seems to be when I upload the week's worth > of contributions. > > Thank you, Veronica (hmm, I just realized the word rhymes with your > name...). I should have known we could count on you! Yeah, wholehearted thank you from me too. I've been recently struggling trying to come up with a description for one of our local bands, so this was a very timely discussion. But which will it be - Ectronica or Ectotronica? To my mind Ectotronica is more descriptive and rolls off the tongue better, even if it is the longer of the two... Let's stop for a moment here and make sure we get it right the first time around because we have a serious responsibility - it's hard to kill a word once coined as veronica (do you mind if I don't call you 'the bad kind of puppy'?) pointed out and anyway who would want to be this cruel to a word? PS. although it might be too late - Ectronica seems to take hold already... well, so be it. - ------------------------------------------------------ "If Bill Gates had a nickel for every time Windows crashed... Oh wait, he does!" (signature spotted on Slashdot) - ------ http://www.zip.com.au/~afries/hall.html ------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jun 1999 21:19:54 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: mollie obrien Hey, has anyone here heard of her? This is a message that was sent to the Ectophiles' Guide address. - --Neile >X-Originating-IP: [204.46.238.52] >From: brad jennings >To: ectoguide@smoe.org >Subject: mollie obrien >Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 12:45:10 PDT >Mime-Version: 1.0 > >Dear Ectoguide, >I would dearly love to see some ectoreviews of Mollie O'brien's work - Tell >it True and Big Red Sun (1999?). I read a good review in the Athens, GA >rag, The Flagpole, but nothing since. bj > > >_______________________________________________________________ >Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 00:35:38 -0500 From: Carolyn Andre Subject: Re: mollie obrien At 09:19 PM 6/14/99 -0700, Neile wrote: > >Hey, has anyone here heard of her? This is a message that was sent to the >Ectophiles' Guide address. >>Subject: mollie obrien >> >>Dear Ectoguide, >>I would dearly love to see some ectoreviews of Mollie O'brien's work - Tell >>it True and Big Red Sun (1999?). I read a good review in the Athens, GA >>rag, The Flagpole, but nothing since. bj well, my brain isn't in review mode at the present time, let alone an ecto type review, but ... maybe someone else is Mollie O'Brien is perhaps better know ('more popularly known') for performing with her brother, Tim O'Brien - country-ish/Americana, I guess. (I'm even less into country than whispy voiced females). And I know she has appeared on several recordings with him. In fact, before February in Albuquerque, I had never seen/heard Mollie perform without Tim. Definitely a loss on my part! Mollie is what is so rare in this age of 'singer-songwriters' - she is a *singer*! great set of pipes! altoish, I guess (my one-track listening mode - either a very rich soprano or an alto). Her new album, mentioned in the question to the ecto guide, is named after the Lucinda Williams song. And the content ranges around from bluesy to cabaret. Steve Goodman to Chuck Berry & John Hiaatt. The album was actually sitting on the computer stand, meaning 'why haven't I listened to this in awhile??'. Will have to put it on tomorrow nite, and make some coherent comments. Now Neal C. - offer some comments. I know you were at that Folk Alliance showcase too! Regards, Carolyn Andre - ------------------- Chicago, IL / USA | Support Independent Music! Use the Internet candre@enteract.com | Carolyn's House of Music: http://house-of-music.com ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #204 **************************