From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #185 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, May 27 1999 Volume 05 : Number 185 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: tonight's buffy season finale delayed [Steve I ] Re: Anybody see The Phantom Menace? [Chad Lundgren ] Re: Anybody see The Phantom Menace? ["Markku Kolkka" ] Re: tonight's buffy season finale delayed [Michael Colford ] Re: Anybody see The Phantom Menace? [ken@3com-ne.com] Re: tonight's buffy season finale delayed [Peter Clark ] Terre Roche [Joshua Smith ] UBL Advance listening: Kristin Hersh [Neile Graham ] beth orton in ny ["JoAnn Whetsell" ] IM samples [Jeffrey Burka ] Re: Happy trail ["Robert Lovejoy" ] Re: IM samples [Neile Graham ] Re: Happy trail [Paul Blair ] Re: IM samples [Andrew Fries ] Re: tonight's buffy season finale delayed [Joseph Zitt ] Re: Jonatha Brooke [Dirk Kastens ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 03:08:53 -0400 From: Steve I Subject: Re: tonight's buffy season finale delayed >At 06:50 PM 5/25/99 -0400, Paul Kim wrote: >>this came today through the Buffy email newslist. for those who care. >>i think there's a spoiler in the paragraph that starts "at issue for >>us" but i'm not sure since i skipped over it for fear of spoilers :) > >>>BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER SEASON FINALE TO BE DELAYED UNTIL LATER IN >>>THE SUMMER So WAS that episode delayed in the U.S.? Seems odd to delay the second part of a 2-parter. Oddly enough they showed that episode, the graduation one, here in Canada on one of the independent stations in its regular Monday slot. Maybe they figure that Toronto high school kids are less prone to be violent on graduation day or something. I'm a bit surprised that the network decision to delay airing an episode doesn't affect independent stations. I wonder how many of them will/did actually air the episode this week? Also, I saw the Phantom Menace... add me to the list of those who liked the movie. As someone has already said, there's more to it than just annoying cutesy creatures and special effects in this one. And unlike Mike, I actually *liked* Liam Neeson's Qui Gon Jinn quite a bit, I thought his performance really captured the essence of what a wandering Jedi would be. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 02:54:00 -0500 From: Chad Lundgren Subject: Re: Anybody see The Phantom Menace? 'Lo all, neal copperman wrote: > > The movie more than lived up to my expectations. Then again, I seem to > have been in the somewhat small minority of people that thought it might > really suck. I thougth Jedi was appauling. It destroyed so much of what > was set up and implied in the previous movies, replacing it with the > cutesy/disgusting ewoks and a nauseating ending. I'm a believer that some > movies can be saved by audience editing, so during the re-release, I walked > out twice to prevent seeing the most insulting scenes. Didn't really help > though. So, with that in mind, I thought there was a decent chance that > Phantom Menace would be unbearable too. This was actually a perfect > mindset for enjoying the movie. > And I have heard in several articles/rumors that the original concept of "Jedi" was that the new station was being built in orbit around the Wookie homeworld. Substitute the little muppet Exoks with several hundred cheesed off Wookies!! I want to see that! > > >I also agree that Darth Maul was underplayed, almost minimally played. > > I just couldn't shake the idea that he should be fronting a heavy metal > band. He could give King Diamond a run for his money. > There are rumors that Lucas inteds on bringing Darth Maul back and to develop him further in the next film. Keep in mind that we still haven't heard the story of the "Clone" wars. Those who read comic books and perchance have picked up "Dark Empire" from Dark Horse comics will know what I mean. Well, I've possibly spoiled enough for now.....just tell me to shut up if I've said too much. Later all, Chad Oohhhh! I actually have a.... np: Ben Folds Five "Whatever and Ever Amen" nr: Stephen King _The Girl Who Loved Tom Gordon_ and Terry Pratchett _Sourcery_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:03:08 +0300 (EET DST) From: "Markku Kolkka" Subject: Re: Anybody see The Phantom Menace? > Hello all... > > Please don't pummel me if you're getting sick of the over-exposure, > but I was curious if any ectophiles had taken in the Phantom Menace yet and > what they thought? I seem to recall a couple of threads on this newsgroup > when the trailer came out, so I was expecting a few reactions by now... If you have seen it, PLEASE don't send any spoilers about it to the list. The Finnish premiere is in August, and I'd like to see the movie without too much advance information. - -- Markku Kolkka mk59200@cc.tut.fi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 07:20:29 -0400 From: Jeffrey Burka Subject: Re: tonight's buffy season finale delayed Talamasca sez: > On the other hand, one could see this move as building anticipation > for the show when it does air, to earn even bigger ratings points. It doesn't really work that way. We're stillin the May sweeps, which stations use to set ad prices until the november sweeps. Missing out on one of, if not the highest-rated wb show is going to screw over a lot of stations. having high ratings in the middle of summer, a time of traditionally low viewership across the board is pretty meaningless. jeff (who doesn't really care, because the local wb affiliate was off the air (technical difficulties) last week, and didn't hear that they were showing part 1 sunday afternoon to make up for tuesday. so maybe he'll get to see them both this summer...) - -- |Jeffrey C. Burka|||http://www.cqi.com/~jburka ||||"I've got time to rest / | ||||||||||||| And I've got a clear, able mind that sees my life going fine. | | 'Cause everything I need is right here in my hands..." --Melissa Ferrick | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 07:34:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Colford Subject: Re: tonight's buffy season finale delayed On Wed, 26 May 1999, Steve I wrote: > So WAS that episode delayed in the U.S.? Seems odd to delay the second Don't think anyone has answered this yet. The answer is yes, the show was delayed in the States. Don't get me started. :-) Michael n.p The Reivers - Translate Slowly (Wow, I miss this band sooo much!) - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Colford | Reading Public Library Head of Technical Services | Reading, Massachusetts colford@noblenet.org | *North of Boston Library Exchange* - -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:41:59 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: tonight's buffy season finale delayed On Wed, May 26, 1999 at 07:20:29AM -0400, Jeffrey Burka wrote: > jeff > (who doesn't really care, because the local wb affiliate was off the > air (technical difficulties) last week, and didn't hear that they > were showing part 1 sunday afternoon to make up for tuesday. so maybe > he'll get to see them both this summer...) Fortunately, I checked the station's web page and was clued in, and taped Part 1. Not that that'll probably matter much, since they'll definitely rerun it before Part II. Joe (who, entering the station's call letters, WBDC, into Yahoo got a *really* wrong answer :-]) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:53:19 -0700 (PDT) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: Eleni Mandell Hi.. Have read a couple of reviews of Eleni Mandell's Wishbone which made it sound very interesting..It got compared to Tom Waits,P J Harvey and Liz Phair..Has anyone on ecto heard it? Anna Maria np-Suede"Head Music" nr-Thomas Harris "Red Dragon" _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 99 08:46:20 EDT From: ken@3com-ne.com Subject: Re: Anybody see The Phantom Menace? > > I thought that John Williams once again did a superb job with > the music .... Does anyone have a URL where snippets from the score might be heard? I'm not sure when I'll have a chance to see the movie and I want to hear it.. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 May 1999 22:48:01 -0700 From: Peter Clark Subject: Re: tonight's buffy season finale delayed Joseph Zitt wrote: > > On Tue, May 25, 1999 at 09:05:21PM -0400, RavFlight@aol.com wrote: > > We have to take pause..do we really have unsubstatiated proof yet that the > > episode is being preempted? it is strange that they woudl do this with such > > little notice and even after they aired Part 1. (Very strange indeed) Yes, > > I have a feeling that you didn't mean the "un" in "unsubstantiated". > Anyway, the WB press release is at http://www.buffy.com/052499release.html > and was early Wednesday by, among others, Zentertainment and the Washington > Post, who tend to be accurate. (Matt Drudge somehow missed the chance to > jump on it and blame it all on Al Gore :-]) You mean he didn't do it? Or does it depend on what "un" means? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 08:24:15 -0500 From: Mark Lowry Subject: Happy trail Hi, So, I'm confused (what's new). Is the Happy concert at the Tin Angel on Friday July 23 or Saturday July 24? I'm definitely going and want to make plans now. Also, I'll probably be in NYC the week before. What's the best way to get from NYC to Philly, besides air. Is there a recommended train line or something? Mark npimh: Sarah's "I will remember you", only because it was in every TV season finale I've seen this year (OK, just Melrose and Felicity, but it was in Buffy a few weeks back), and I'm willing to bet it has been/will show up in all Dawson's, Charmed and god knows what else). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 13:47:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Joshua Smith Subject: Terre Roche Hey Ectophiles! What about Terre Roche's new solo album "The Sound of a Tree Falling." Isn't this fabulous? I love the song "The Bearer of Bad News." Wouldn't you love to hear what Happy Rhodes would do with this song if she covered it? That would be something to hear! Joshua Smith _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 12:20:28 -0800 From: Neile Graham Subject: UBL Advance listening: Kristin Hersh Those of you who have connections that make RealAudio worthwhile might want to check out http://content.ubl.com/cca/rio/logs/url_log.cgi?/store/listening_room/ which has samples from several upcoming albums (Diane Krall for jazz fans, Sarah McLachlan's upcoming one will there shortly) might want to check out the samples from Kristin Hersh's _Sky Motel_. - --Neile - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 17:31:28 EDT From: "JoAnn Whetsell" Subject: beth orton in ny Hi. I just wanted to find out what ectophiles are going to be in the audience at Beth Orton's June 3 concert in NY. Would love to meet some of you all. And I'm going alone, so if it's general admit, I would also love to sit with some of you. Don't know how we'll meet up, but I guess I could give a physical description or wear a nametag or something. JoAnn _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 18:19:09 -0400 From: Jeffrey Burka Subject: IM samples Craig pointed out to me that the Kneeling Elephant site (home of the recently mentioned Snakefarm) is advertising that they'll be releasing the new Innocence Mission album on 8/10, _Birds of My Neighborhood_. They're going to have samples (RA) of one song from the album each week 'til the release... mmmm...tasty. jeff np: "The Lakes of Canada", Innocence Mission - -- |Jeffrey C. Burka|||http://www.cqi.com/~jburka ||||"I've got time to rest / | ||||||||||||| And I've got a clear, able mind that sees my life going fine. | | 'Cause everything I need is right here in my hands..." --Melissa Ferrick | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 19:06:34 -0400 From: "Robert Lovejoy" Subject: Re: Happy trail Mark asks: >Also, I'll probably be in NYC the week before. What's the best way to >get from NYC to Philly, besides air. Is there a recommended train line >or something? There is regular train service between NYC and Philly. Amtrak runs express Metroliners, Conrail runs more frequent and slightly cheaper local service. Trains leave regularly from Penn Station in NYC. You go to 30th St. Station in Philly and take the Market/Frankford line Eastbound to 5th st., walk south a few short blocks, and there you are. At least I think the Tin Angel is on fifth street! It's been a while... Check return schedules, service is far less frequent in the late evening! It might behoove you to stay overnight and return the next day. Schedules ought to be posted on the web somewhere! Good luck, and I hope I can see y'all there! Bob Lovejoy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 16:44:39 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: IM samples At 6:19 PM -0400 5/26/99, Jeffrey Burka wrote: >Craig pointed out to me that the Kneeling Elephant site (home of >the recently mentioned Snakefarm) is advertising that they'll >be releasing the new Innocence Mission album on 8/10, _Birds >of My Neighborhood_. > >They're going to have samples (RA) of one song from the album each week >'til the release... > >mmmm...tasty. Well, it's great to hear what I can of them, but RA is so tinny on my system it does Karen Peris' voice a great disservice. Roll on new album! - --Neile n.p. Innocence Mission, _The Lakes of Canada_ RA Pride swells in the heart of the ex-patriat Canadian - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 20:35:45 -0400 From: Paul Blair Subject: Re: Happy trail Mark asks: >So, I'm confused (what's new). Is the Happy concert at the Tin Angel on >Friday July 23 or Saturday July 24? I'm definitely going and want to >make plans now. If you call the Tin Angel, they'll tell you Saturday July 24. And I believe Vickie mentioned that Happy herself confirmed this. Bob Lovejoy mentioned [about NY-Philly trains]: >Check return schedules, service is far less frequent in the late evening! >It might behoove you to stay overnight and return the next day. Yes. I recall there is maybe one train just around midnight, and that's the last one. But there are buses that leave later, and the trip isn't too bad. - --Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 11:32:12 +1000 From: Andrew Fries Subject: Re: IM samples In a message "IM samples" on 26/May/1999 18:19:09 Jeffrey Burka says: > Craig pointed out to me that the Kneeling Elephant site (home of > the recently mentioned Snakefarm) is advertising that they'll > be releasing the new Innocence Mission album on 8/10, _Birds > of My Neighborhood_. This is some of the best news I've had so far... But I'll try to contain my excitement - after all we were once told that Sarah Slean's new one was due in February, and AFAIK we're still waiting... The IM sample, "The Lakes of Canada" is really lovely... np: that sample, of course. - ------------------------------------------------------ "If Bill Gates had a nickel for every time Windows crashed... Oh wait, he does!" (signature spotted on Slashdot) - ------ http://www.zip.com.au/~afries/hall.html ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 19:40:33 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: tonight's buffy season finale delayed On Tue, May 25, 1999 at 10:48:01PM -0700, Peter Clark wrote: > > > Joseph Zitt wrote: > > > > On Tue, May 25, 1999 at 09:05:21PM -0400, RavFlight@aol.com wrote: > > > We have to take pause..do we really have unsubstatiated proof yet that the > > > episode is being preempted? it is strange that they woudl do this with such > > > little notice and even after they aired Part 1. (Very strange indeed) Yes, > > > > I have a feeling that you didn't mean the "un" in "unsubstantiated". > > Anyway, the WB press release is at http://www.buffy.com/052499release.html > > and was early Wednesday by, among others, Zentertainment and the Washington > > Post, who tend to be accurate. (Matt Drudge somehow missed the chance to > > jump on it and blame it all on Al Gore :-]) > > > You mean he didn't do it? Or does it depend on what "un" means? Hmm... the answer to that would depend on what "he" and "it" refer to. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 22:54:53 -0400 From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: Anybody see The Phantom Menace? At 08:46 AM 5/26/99 -0400, ken@3com-ne.com wrote: >> >> I thought that John Williams once again did a superb job with >> the music .... > >Does anyone have a URL where snippets from the score might be heard? >I'm not sure when I'll have a chance to see the movie and I want to >hear it.. I know CDNow had a few samples, and I'd guess most of the other major internet music stores will as well. Mike np: Kristin Hersh at the Knitting Factory (4/29/1999) nr: _Cryptonomicon_ by Neal Stephenson | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@smoe.org | | http://www.io.com/~mcurry | | "Am I bitter? Do I sound bitter?" -- Veda Hille | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 07:48:31 +0200 From: Dirk Kastens Subject: Re: Jonatha Brooke At 18:01 25.05.99 -0400, Mark Miazga wrote: >my money back. Perhaps it was a case of too-high expectations, but >Brooke was really mediocre IMO. My friend and I both walked out early. That makes me wonder. I got her live album last week and I find it extremely excellent good :-) Dirk P.S.: I just read about the existence of a Happy99 virus. Any idea about the harm that it causes? Does it occur at Happy live concerts or is it pressed onto her CDs? ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #185 **************************