From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #178 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, May 21 1999 Volume 05 : Number 178 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: mr. phantom menace pants [Chad Lundgren ] Re: they might be threads (was: a quilt of many different threads) [Damon] Deborah Conway [anna maria "stjärnell" ] Comma News: DC Performances this Weekend, etc [Joseph Zitt ] Bananarama [Bill Adler ] VH-1 shows [jjhanson@att.net] Good folk music coming your way [Riphug@aol.com] Marianne Faithtul (was: VH-1 shows) [Bill ] Re: Felicity soundtrack--featuring Sarah McLachlan, Heather nova, andmore ["Kristen Weissleader" Subject: Re: mr. phantom menace pants 'Lo all, Paul Kim wrote: > Just wanted to say that I saw the Phantom Menace (grr...i dislike the > title) today. I dunno why people are so cold to the title. I don't mind it all. It doesn't stick in my craw. How people feel about the title is trivial as long as it doesn't affect their opinion of the movie. > > I was pleasantly pleased with the movie. I'd like to go see it again at > some point. It's so hard to not look at it as a Star Wars movie, but it > very much is NOT a Star Wars movie. It's different. I'm trying to figure > out how to put it into words...umm...it's sorta like the big episodes of > the X-Files where they reveal a lot but also open up a lot of other questions. > I get a sense of the grandiose X-Files plotlines from this too. A lot...and I do mean a lot of political intrigue. A lot of which is out in the open for those who obsess on Star Wars or which will be revealed later for those who are casual SW fans. For spoilers sake, I'm trying (and succeeding) to be as vague as possible. It's interesting to see how the story pacing is going to be. TPM definitely had an ending, but this really seemed more like the groundwork for the overall trilogy. This comes from the fact that Lucas knows there's going to be the three. The end of Star Wars was almost complete so as to satisfy the movie-goer if there weren't going to be any sequels. He couldn't be sure that the sequels were going to happen. The Empire Strikes Back left the storyline hanging because the next movie was a done deal. I like the fact that, in my head, the story is going to be building in intensity to a huge climax (I hope) in the third chapter. I don't know if I'll be able to take it. > > the Star Wars movies have always been a big Space Saga. Sci-Fi soap opera > happening in Space. This movie didn't quite reach out there. It was more > like a fantasy, terran tale. Maybe along the lines of a gizmoed up Willow. > There just wasn't enough "space" stuff in the movie. There's one scene of > a ship going into hyperspace and the classic jumplines are not there. *sob > sob* > True enough....just remember that the starlines are seen from the point of view of ship passengers and we saw the ship from behind. > Can I kick Jake Lloyd in the pants? This little wanker of an Anakin > Skywalker grows up to be Darth? come on...at some points, he carried a > gravity around him that seemed fitting for a child who's led such a hard > life and who has so much power, but then he reverts to being a normal kid > with a big head. Ok, so he's a kid actor and he acts like a kid. I just > wasn't expecting that from a Star Wars movie. Like the Ewoks, this l'il > darth is aimed for the kids and he performs well. > I don't know how exactly to respond here. You are right. There were times when he was childlike as well as times were his aura was in full effect. I'd chalk it up to a little bit of personality conflict. His abilities are still coming from a 9/10 yr. old boy. This is the one character that we can't afford to presume too much. What turns an idealistic young boy into a cold, cruel leader such as Vader? So many ideas and so many theories spin through my head and I can't wait to compare them to Lucas' story. > > I shudder when i think of the Federation guys...they had some really bad > Sulu-meets-Chekhov accents...jar jar binks and the gungans weren't as bad, > but that's mainly because i was expecting them to be a lot worse and I > wasn't prepared for the federation geeks. The Federation accents bugged me too. I don't know what they were going for. I quite liked the Gungans. They were a lot less annoying than the Ewoks. It was interesting to see the weird mix of high tech/low tech that they used. > > microchloridians? Don't look at me, but I think that their link to Annikin's origins was pretty cool. > > john williams' music is the strongest attachment to other Star Wars movies. > Whenever I started doubting the movie, the music would swell up and remind > me that it too is a character in the movie and goshdarnit, this is Star Wars. > Gotta love that John Williams score. "The Duel of the Fates" is just amazing background for the fighting. Well, that's all from me.....just to let you know....I loved this movie.....and so will you. Chad "I loved it. It was much better than Cats. I'm going to see it again and again" Lundgren ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 00:37:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Damon des Jumeaux Subject: Re: they might be threads (was: a quilt of many different threads) On Tue, 18 May 1999, Kim Justice wrote: > At 12:13 AM -0500 5/18/99, JoAnn Whetsell wrote: > >-they might be giants. what do people know about them? they have a lot of > >albums, and i've only heard john henry. i like most of it, but there are > >some songs i absolutely hate. detest. perhaps abhor. any recommended > >albums? > > I love TMBG's work. I think they are brilliant at what they do. IMO "Apollo > 18" is the definitive TMBG so far -- especially when played in shuffle mode. hi! ...bet you all weren't expecting to hear from *me*. ;) i've made a vow to actually start *reading* the mailing lists i'm subscribed to, once again. we'll see how long it lasts. anyway, just wanted to chime in and tack my name onto the list of tmbg fans. i find my infatuation with them rather odd, in that it simply never ends: i don't get sick of their stuff, even though sometimes when i sit back and think about it it seems it should be a little too gimmicky to last. like irvin, i found myself a little taken aback by the `full band' sound of john henry at first, but unlike irvin i found it grew on me too, and now i'm equally comfortable with either side of the spectrum. i find that several songs from each album miss the mark for me, but none to the point where i have to skip them when listening. i think with tmbg i was originally attracted by the absurdity of their stuff, and then permanently hooked by their style, their flair, and the fact that i find their voices/accents lots of fun to sing along with and imitate. :) i think one of the defining tracks of the tmbg experience is from `misc t', and is the unlabelled 13th track. it's not even a song - it is, if i remember correctly, a message left on their `dial a song' machine, and i'm not even going to *try* to describe it here. find a friend with misc t, listen to the track, know something about tmbg. as far as the best album - well, i don't hesitate to recommend any, but _flood_ is probably one of the best starting points. after all, it contains `birdhouse in your soul', which is quite possibly my all-time favourite tmbg track, if i'm ever forced to choose an all-time favourite. it's a song about a night-light, which is a sort of typically tmbgish theme. i adore their first two albums - _tmbg_ and _lincoln_ - but it might be best to hold off on them and misc t until/if you decide you're a complete tmbg freak - since they've now released all three plus bonus tracks in a compilation called _then: the earlier years_. favourite from tmbg: `she's an angel'. favourite from lincoln: `ana ng'. _apollo 18_, which came after flood (trying to repair my screwed-up chronology here :), is excellent but much harsher or ... `rockier'... sounding to my ears. which put me off at first until it grew on me. the `fingertips' series of tracks is incredibly well done; i think my single favourite track is probably `dinner bell', though it's a close call. _john henry_ continued the `harshness' trend, and of course was the full band album. took longer to grow on me, but definitely still did. hm... hard to pick a favourite; there are so many great ones. ah, wait, `destination moon', definitely. _factory showroom_ was another big change of direction. much more produced sounding, and... what's the style i'm looking for... maybe `discoish'. in parts. some excellent tracks, including `spiraling shape' which was in the kids in the hall movie, _brain candy_. my favourite on here is probably `metal detector', though again it's hard to pick. their latest release, _severe tire damage_, is mostly live versions/alternate versions of their songs. i think it's a great overview, though sadly a lot of the songs seem to lose something when they shed the studio production sound, at least in recording. still, you get their rendition of `why does the sun shine?' (i also have the single of this) and the version of `meet james ensor' on here is to die for, with john and john filling in the missing instrument parts with their voices... hm, looking back i probably haven't given too much valuable information here... but you'll have to excuse me, it's past my bedtime. i think neil guy once referred to tmbg as the proverbial monkeys at their proverbial typewriters. not everyone's cup of tea, and not particularly ecto, but definitely worth checking out if you're not put off by what you've heard about them. :) - -damon Damon Harper des Jumeaux _/>_ "Hey... up close, you're a damon@jumeaux.bc.ca __\ /__ guy." - Col. Flagg Les Jums: jumeaux@jumeaux.bc.ca \ / "From far away, too." http://www.jumeaux.bc.ca/damon/ |/||\| - Klinger, M*A*S*H ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 02:32:37 -0700 (PDT) From: anna maria "stjärnell" Subject: Deborah Conway Hi all.. Was wondering if anyone could help me locate a copy of Deborah Conway's "My Third Husband"? Don't have a credit card so if anyone would be willing to trade it with me that would be great. I live in Sweden and can find ectophilic stuff here for you..let me know.. Am looking forward to seeing "The Phantom Menace" which opens here in august..Pernilla August who is in is usually good.. Anna Maria np-Susan Court-High Relief(Thanks Neile!) nr-Poppy Z Brite-Lost Souls _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 16:09:47 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Comma News: DC Performances this Weekend, etc Forwarded from the Comma list: we're going to be performing in DC this weekend. Not exactly ecto music :-) but area ectophiles might enjoy it. As mentioned below, you can get a taste of what we sound like at http://www.metatronpress.com/mp3/ , and get the Ectophile's Guide view at http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/guide.cgi?alpha/c/comma be there or be...um... elsewhere :-) - ----- Forwarded message from Joseph Zitt ----- Hi, all! It's been a while since we sent one of these out... This weekend, Comma will be playing two evenings at the Washington Art-o-Matic, an artists; project at the former Manhattan Laundry building at 1348 - 1346 Florida Avenue, NW. (There's info about the venue, along with a map, at http://www.washingtonart.com/artomat/project.html) For us Metro-minded folk, it's about 3 blocks from U Street-Cardozo on the Green line. Friday night, May 21st, we're doing an acoustic, primarily vocal set at 8 PM, including new pieces by Matt and Joe and a whole lotta improv. At 9 PM, we'll be participating in Guillermo Silveira's "Labyrinth of Music". Saturday night, May 23rd, we're performing the "Labyrinth of Music" at 6 PM, followed by a Comma set at 7 PM. This one will be primarily electronic and instrumental, including new work, pieces we're resurrecting from last summer's performance series at the Ruthless Grip, and more improv. We're particularly excited about some sound-poetry-related word-based improv methods that we've developed and will be using both nights, both electric and acoustic. Other artists will also be performing as part of the Art-o-Matic opening festivities, including jazz groups, Persian music, Demented Peasant Girls (?), and lots of sound poets. It's primarily a visual arts space, and there will be exhibits and installations to view and experience. On June 9th at 8 PM, Tom will be playing solo at the Art-o-Matic, featuring his works for recorders and electronics. We have several new MP3s online at http://www.metatronpress.com/mp3/ These include much of the set we did at the Emergent Music Festival at the Velvet Lounge on April 7th, and the soundcheck from our EarthSounding performance on April 24, which features guests Norman Lowrey, Ronald Stolk, and (unexpectedly but appropriately) Gwendolyn Davis. The Demix invitational remains open. You are invited to download and listen to these MP3 files, and, if you wish, to create (re)(de)mixes from the materials. See http://www.metatronpress.com/mp3/demix/index.html for further info. Remember that the Comma list is open to all subscribers to post. See http://www.metatronpress.com/lists.html for more info. See y'all at the gigs, online, and everywhere else! [ To be reminded how to subscribe, unsubscribe, etc: ] [email majordomo@metatronpress.com with the text "info comma-announce"] [ Comma Web site: http://www.artswire.org/comma/ ] - ----- End forwarded message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:04:24 -0700 From: Irvin Lin Subject: Re: ecto-digest V5 #177 > Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:00:33 -0400 > From: Bill Adler > Subject: Re: cranberries > > n.p. Bananarama's Greatest Hits (inspired by last night's VH1 "Where are > They Now?" show.) > > Bill Adler erm. i missed last night VH1. so where are BANANARAMA now? i actually used to love their stuff. i know that they fell off the map once SIOBHAN left to form SHAKESPEARE'S SISTER (the two or three albums after she left with replacement JACKIE and when then when JACKIE left were not very interesting, even when they tried to get YOUTH to produce their stuff). now i know that they recently got back together for a one off recording for the ABBA tribute album (was it just KEREN and SARAH? or did JACKIE or SIOBHAN join as well?) are the pursuing separate recording careers? or have they just retired? just wondering. irvin np. ST. ETIENNE - GOOD HUMOR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 19:56:23 -0400 From: Bill Adler Subject: Bananarama Well, it was so long ago that I saw the show (last night) that I don't remember the specifics of where the various Bananarama musicians are, but I seem to recall that some are married, some have kids and some are continuing to perform. The show inspired me to make a workout MD consisting of Bananarama, the Bangles, Go-Gos and Waitresses. - --Bill n.p. October Project, Falling Farther In At 04:04 PM 5/19/99 -0700, you wrote: >> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 16:00:33 -0400 >> From: Bill Adler >> Subject: Re: cranberries >> >> n.p. Bananarama's Greatest Hits (inspired by last night's VH1 "Where are >> They Now?" show.) >> >> Bill Adler > >erm. i missed last night VH1. so where are BANANARAMA now? > >i actually used to love their stuff. i know that they fell off the map once >SIOBHAN >left to form SHAKESPEARE'S SISTER (the two or three albums after she left with >replacement JACKIE and when then when JACKIE left were not very interesting, >even when >they tried to get YOUTH to produce their stuff). > >now i know that they recently got back together for a one off recording for >the ABBA >tribute album (was it just KEREN and SARAH? or did JACKIE or SIOBHAN join as >well?) >are the pursuing separate recording careers? or have they just retired? > >just wondering. > >irvin > >np. ST. ETIENNE - GOOD HUMOR > > Bill Adler www.adlerbooks.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 23:57:31 +0000 From: jjhanson@att.net Subject: VH-1 shows >>inspired by last night's VH1 "Where are They Now?" >>show.) Speaking of Vh-1 shows, Sunday night is the premiere of the Behind the Music show on Marianne Faithfull. These shows are always interesting, and with Marianne's wild life, this one should be especially so. Although Marianne doesn't get a whole lot of ecto-mentions, she's definitely an ectoish artist, whose still stretching her artistic boundaries--probably doing some of the most interesting stuff of her career in the past few years. I can't recommend her "A Perfect Stranger" compilation highly enough. One of the best career retrospectives I've heard (even though it doesn't showcase many of her early songs). Jeff Hanson n.p. Lori Carson - Where It Goes ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 07:48:35 EDT From: Riphug@aol.com Subject: Good folk music coming your way >From songs.communique (in case you don't subscribe): <> I'd like to get this just for Dee Carstensen ;-) Jill :D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 17:27:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Subject: Marianne Faithtul (was: VH-1 shows) On Thu, 20 May 1999 jjhanson@att.net wrote: > Although Marianne doesn't get a > whole lot of ecto-mentions, she's definitely an > ectoish artist, whose still stretching her artistic > boundaries I personally am very fond of her singing in "The Hawk (El Gavilan)", from the movie "Trouble in Mind". This work was written by Kris Kristofferson, arranged by Mark Isham, and sung by Marianne Faithful; talk about a triple whammy! Marianne's singing is torchy-bluesy-ectoish, Mark Isham does his wonder thing on the trumpet, and the Industrial Arts Ensemble rounds it all out with some good percussion and synth work. And the lyrics are very insightful as well (http://www.wagill.com/bill/thehawk.html). A good piece of music all in all, and one that has always meant a lot to me musically and poetically. - - Bill. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 18:46:19 -0700 From: "Kristen Weissleader" Subject: Re: Felicity soundtrack--featuring Sarah McLachlan, Heather nova, andmore - -----Original Message----- From: Greg Teltschik To: Songbird22@aol.com ; fte@yoyo.cc.monash.edu.au Cc: ecto@smoe.org ; headline-girl@smoe.org Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 4:54 PM Subject: Re: Felicity soundtrack--featuring Sarah McLachlan, Heather nova, andmore >One quick comment: As many of you may already know, this CD is already >released! I picked up a copy last week. The soundtrack is pretty good. >I've only listened to the first part of it, though (my copies of Lilith >Fair vol. 2 and 3 arrived Friday and Saturday). > >Greg >gteltschik@mindspring.com > This is getting really irritating. When is Buffy going to have a soundtrack for the show? Did I miss it? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 20:10:26 +0100 From: birdie Subject: Re: Felicity soundtrack--featuring Sarah McLachlan, Heather nova, andmore Kristen Weissleader wrote: > -Subject: Re: Felicity soundtrack--featuring Sarah McLachlan, Heather nova, > andmore > This is getting really irritating. When is Buffy going to have a soundtrack > for the show? Did I miss it? I dunno, but JANE SIBERRY should have music in Felicity. Birdie ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #178 **************************