From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #166 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, May 11 1999 Volume 05 : Number 166 Today's Subjects: ----------------- CD's [Edward Stuart Sterling ] Snakefarm [Dirk Kastens ] Re: purple [Joseph Zitt ] Tape Deck recommendations [jjhanson@att.net] is there a lawyer in the house? [meredith ] Re: Re: purple [Greg Jumper ] copyright [Jason Greshes ] The Ecto CD Store Directory [Kay S Cleaves ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 07:05:18 -0400 From: Edward Stuart Sterling Subject: CD's Sorry to bother people with some off-topic stuff but I thought this would be a good group to bring it to. I am looking for someone, preferrably in the Boston area who can make a CD. I need info on what is involved. It is for my daughter's wedding in October. Please, respond privately. tia ED ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 14:38:46 +0200 From: Dirk Kastens Subject: Snakefarm Hi, I love this list. After Mysteries Of America I was eagerly awaiting a new Anna Domino release until someone recently mentioned the Snakefarm album. I immediately ordered it and I'm not disappointed. These are some of the best cover versions of traditionals that I ever heard. And it still sounds like an Anna Domino album. Dirk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 13:53:02 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: purple On Sun, May 09, 1999 at 10:28:25PM -0700, Billi Mazur wrote: > I always really enjoy your posts and nearly always agree with what you have to > say. However, here is one time that I must differ with your opinion. I do not > agree that the film version of Dune is better than the book. Frank Herbert is > one of my favorite authors and Dune is one of my all time favorite books. Yeah, I guess we disagree here: I've always found the book to be slapdash and sorta half-conceived, though by "Children of Dune" he did seem to get the feel for how to tell a story. A funny anecdote: an acquaintance of mine from years back interviewed Herbert over his career on the radio and kept the tapes. After writing the two novellas that got packaged together as the "Dune" volume, Herbet insisted that the story was now complete. After "Dune Messiah" he stated that the story was always supposed to continue to the ending of that book, and that we now had the full story of Dune. That is, until the publication of "Children of Dune", when he stated that the world now had the complete Dune trilogy. When, after the fourth book, Herbert came on the show and made a similar claim, the guy played back the previous tapes for him. It triggered an embarassed silence. (I usually find that people who really like Dune got to it early in their SF reading. I may have been spoiled by not getting to it for a while -- I think it was in 1977, when I was already on the Worldcon committee, that I got around to it.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 17:05:16 +0000 From: jjhanson@att.net Subject: Tape Deck recommendations Another off-topic request: About a year ago I purchased a low-cost Pioneer dual cassette tape deck and am not real pleased with the sound quality of the tapes it records. The sound is real muddled for anything with a lot of bass. I'm thinking of upgrading, but still don't want to spend a whole lot of money. Any suggestions as to what are the best decks for the money? Or where to get the best prices? Please send replies to me privately so as not to clutter up the list. Thanks! Jeff Hanson jjhanson@att.net n.p. Debbie Harry - Debravation n.r. Cold Mountain - Charles Frazier ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 19:52:31 -0400 From: meredith Subject: is there a lawyer in the house? Hi! A situation has come up involving something archived at smoe.org, and even though it doesn't have anything to do with ecto in particular, I was just wondering if there's anyone lurking out there who might be well versed in current copyright law? If so, please contact Jeff Wasilko directly: jeffw@smoe.org. Thanks. :) +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 11:07:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Jumper Subject: Re: Re: purple Joe wrote: It's a pretty good rule of thumb, but there are exceptions: off the top of my head, I thought Dune, Yentl, and Dr. Strangelove were better than the books from which they were made. I was *really* expecting to find a smiley when I saw Dune in this list. :) (Perhaps the others merit smileys as well?) And Bill responded: Although I am a David Lynch fan (Eraserhead, The Elephant Man, Twin Peaks, Blue Velvet, Twin Peaks: Firewalk With Me are all very good and some of my favorites), I feel that he didn't do justice with the film version of Dune. Apparently, Lynch didn't like the result either, as he disowned the movie by having the generic "Alan Smithee" substituted for his name in the credits... I actually liked the movie resonably well, as long as I divorced it from the book; the whole business with the "weirding modules" was pretty ludicrous in comparison with the book, though. Greg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 20:40:34 -0400 From: Jason Greshes Subject: copyright Here's a short response. Although smoe.org doesn't charge for the services it provides, it is for all intents and purposes an isp. The Digital Millenium Copyright Act did this for isps: > Clarifying Service Provider Liability > > Title II of the DMCA clarifies the rules concerning the liability of online service providers and Internet access providers (?service providers?) for > copyright infringements that occur over their networks. These changes should facilitate the growth of electronic commerce by reducing the legal > uncertainties surrounding the operation of digital networks, while preserving strong incentives for copyright owners and service providers to > cooperate in detecting and dealing with online piracy. Title II does not change existing law on what constitutes an infringement (or a defense to > infringement), nor on when one party may be held responsible for infringements carried out by another (contributory or vicarious liability). > > Title II defines four situations in which service providers may be immune from damages or other monetary relief for copyright infringement, and in > which special rules may apply to limit available injunctive relief. In each situation, these liability limitations are subject to several specific conditions. > These situations include: > > (1) when the service provider is merely providing a conduit for the transmission or routing of infringing material, including copies automatically > made in the course of the transmission; > > (2) when the service provider automatically makes and retains copies of material, such as frequently-visited remote web sites, to improve network > performance and reduce congestion for users; > > (3) when the service provider, without receiving a direct financial benefit, provides access to infringing material posted on its system by a user, so > long as the service provider does not know the material is infringing, is unaware of facts or circumstances from which infringement is apparent, or > has not received a notification from the copyright owner; and > > (4) when the service provider, under conditions similar to those in (3), provides an information location tool, such as a directory, pointer or > hyperlink, that facilitates access to infringing material, even if posted outside its system. > Title II also sets guidelines for notifications that copyright owners may give service providers to alert them to infringing materials on their > networks. A service provider receiving such a notice who acts expeditiously to cut off access to the infringing material can enjoy the limitations on > damages, injunctions and other remedies summarized above, and generally is not liable to any other party if it acts in good faith in taking the > material down. Clarifying Service Provider Liability Title II of the DMCA clarifies the rules concerning the liability of online service providers and Internet access providers (?service providers?) for copyright infringements that occur over their networks. These changes should facilitate the growth of electronic commerce by reducing the legal uncertainties surrounding the operation of digital networks, while preserving strong incentives for copyright owners and service providers to cooperate in detecting and dealing with online piracy. Title II does not change existing law on what constitutes an infringement (or a defense to infringement), nor on when one party may be held responsible for infringements carried out by another (contributory or vicarious liability). Title II defines four situations in which service providers may be immune from damages or other monetary relief for copyright infringement, and in which special rules may apply to limit available injunctive relief. In each situation, these liability limitations are subject to several specific conditions. These situations include: (1) when the service provider is merely providing a conduit for the transmission or routing of infringing material, including copies automatically made in the course of the transmission; (2) when the service provider automatically makes and retains copies of material, such as frequently-visited remote web sites, to improve network performance and reduce congestion for users; (3) when the service provider, without receiving a direct financial benefit, provides access to infringing material posted on its system by a user, so long as the service provider does not know the material is infringing, is unaware of facts or circumstances from which infringement is apparent, or has not received a notification from the copyright owner; and (4) when the service provider, under conditions similar to those in (3), provides an information location tool, such as a directory, pointer or hyperlink, that facilitates access to infringing material, even if posted outside its system. Title II also sets guidelines for notifications that copyright owners may give service providers to alert them to infringing materials on their networks. A service provider receiving such a notice who acts expeditiously to cut off access to the infringing material can enjoy the limitations on damages, injunctions and other remedies summarized above, and generally is not liable to any other party if it acts in good faith in taking the material down. This is from a short article at : http://www.riaa.com/newtech/dcma.htm I'm looking up the full text of the Act now... Jason ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 23:02:03 -0500 From: Kay S Cleaves Subject: The Ecto CD Store Directory Hey folks! I've managed to put together a small web directory of CD Stores, with store names, locations, and commentary pulled from the recent posts to my thread. If you want to check out the site, it's up and running at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Gala/8060/Music/Ectostores.html For any of you who made comments, if you want your commentary to be removed, just let me know off list and I will do so. Thanks! - --Kay ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #166 **************************