From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #96 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Sunday, March 14 1999 Volume 05 : Number 096 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: recorded HR [kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white)] Re: Creatures [kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white)] Re: Rhodes Not Taken? ["Tim Finney" ] Ecto = Pleasantville? ["Tim Finney" ] Re: Recorded Happy Concerts? [neal copperman ] Re: Lisa Cerbone--new cd yet? [neal copperman ] Re: back from the dead, lots o cds [neal copperman ] Re: The recent bigwig merger [neal copperman ] Re: Even *more* reactions to Happy's catalogue [neal copperman ] Re: Ecto = Pleasantville? [FAMarcus@aol.com] Re: civil facists ["Neil K. Guy" ] Sleater-Kinney ["Donald G. Keller" ] Re: Just like Tivoli (was: Even *more* reactions to Happy's catalogue) ["] Re: Just like Tivoli [Paul Blair ] Mary Jane Lamond vs. Parsons [Steve I ] Mary Jane Lamond's traditional cd [Silme@ix.netcom.com] Re: Ecto = Pleasantville? [FAMarcus@aol.com] Pepper Acton / Magdalen Hsu-Li [Mark Miazga ] Re: Ecto = Pleasantville? ["Xenu's Sister" ] Re: Ecto = Pleasantville? [FAMarcus@aol.com] Re: Ecto = Pleasantville? ["Xenu's Sister" ] Re: Ecto = Pleasantville?......who is bored yet????? [FAMarcus@aol.com] Re: Ecto = Pleasantville?......who is bored yet????? [jason and jill ] Can't We All Get Along? [Suzanne Cerquone ] Upcoming on KCRW [G Perez ] creatures tour dates [meredith ] music (for a change) [meredith ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 00:58:33 -0600 (CST) From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: Re: recorded HR Hi, I deleted too soon to quote, but: The access cable tape at the Middle East is a tape that HR hates and does NOT want spread around. If you have it, enjoy it but please do not dub it. Sorry folks. Ecto-Ma and Mr Lovejoy will back me up on this piece of info. bye, KrW "Yes, it left a great gaping hole in the water!" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 01:01:43 -0600 (CST) From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: Re: Creatures This summer I bought Beastiary(sp?) for Suzie but cannot access it due to all that drumming. I'm gonna offer it up at the ecto trading post one of these days. Maybe after I get around to listing what I bought then. 8-) bye, KrW "Yes, it left a great gaping hole in the water!" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:15:22 +1100 From: "Tim Finney" Subject: Re: Rhodes Not Taken? - ---------- >From: "Anna Elaine Pryde" >To: "Tim Finney" >Subject: Rhodes not Taken? >Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 3:37 AM > > You sure are scientific about it! I mean that as a good thing- you take >Happy's songs and albums apart and look at all their parts successively, >and then put them back together again to form a cohesive whole. It's a mask, I assure you. I find that the more I talk about music and read people talking about music (especially professional reviews), the more analytical ("colder" even) my discussion of music has become. Which is silly because my entire relationship with Happy's music is based on the emotional response it inspires. Sadly, I've even become good at putting music in historical perspective, which is *really* scary. The last thing I want to say about music is that I "appreciate" it. Urgh. > Just a little more psychoanalysis, if you can stomach it. :) I think, >fundamentally, we like what reminds us of us. I mean, I like Happy's higher >voice; her harmonizing; her acoustic guitar; and her mournful lyrics. These >are the things that all my favorite songs have. I think this is because I >can sing to her stuff better when a) she sings in her alto-soprano, which >is where I'm at (I Have a Heart); b) she has complex harmonies and >sub-harmonies, which I'll always sing when there are lyrics involved or at >least vocalize when it is purely instrumental (Wretches Gone Awry, Under >and Over the Brink). I understand and agree completely. The songs with powerful vocals and harmonies are almost automatically my favourites simply because I can sing along, and having experience in choirs, I find the way she meshes her harmonies fascinating. This is why I love "Be Careful What You Say" so much, because I can sit in front of my stereo and sing along. Rearmament is the perfect record for that. Ecto, on the other hand, is not much of a sing-a-long experience, which may be why I never warmed to it. > Finally, I'm still puzzling over your forward-backward theory. It makes >perfect sense, and when I knit my brows and concentrate real hard, I think >I can see it. A big part of my problem is that I didn't buy them in order, >so I think of her progression as parallel to my own (Rhodesongs, Equipoise, >BTC... a big pause...Warpaint, Rearmament, Rhodes I and II, MWABT). You can >see why MWABT was such a shock to me after those last three! Mine is similarly convoluted - Rhodesongs, Rearmament, Warpaint, Rhodes I, Ecto, Many Worlds Are Born Tonight, Equipoise, Rhodes II, Building The Collosus... but as I said, historical perspective has become an annoying little factor in my music listening. Regards, Tim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:16:18 +1100 From: "Tim Finney" Subject: Ecto = Pleasantville? >I have a vague memory of seeing this thread before. Therfore deduct five >points for lack of originality. > >But first, a few timely snippets. > >>From: Billi Mazur > >>With all kidding aside, I have to agree wholeheartedly with your >>statement here Meth. It's really great to have a nice place to have a >>fun and lively, even controversial, discussion as long as it is >>respectful and considerate. I *love* Ecto's credo on this one. That is >>why I joined Ecto! I have been on the Internet for ten years now and >>have followed other news groups and mailing lists pretty religiously for >>the past three. Until Ecto, I never felt like I wanted to join a list or >>news group because of the flames or signal to noise ratio. I think it >>important that we newer members of the list show some reverence to those >>of you who established the it 7+ years ago. We need to uphold the >>tradition that has been established. It is a noble one, IMHO.\ > >>Fred, FAMarcus@aol.com, wrote > >>It's not life or death and there's room >>for a lot of approach's. He never called anyone an ass but himself. He never >>attacked anyone directly. And even though i responded to the storage thread >>myself it was obvious to me that it was long winded. But so what. I can >>delete as well as you. But for you to suggest that he unsubsribe from this >>list is ludicrous. And rude. There may just be a few too many tight asses on >>this list who are so obsessed on being civil and proper that they have taken >>any semblence of personality out of here. Now I say all this with no malice. >>And I just hope that John (I think thats who it was) doesn't even think of >>unsubscribing. > >Forgive me for this somewhat nonsensical post, but I just saw Pleasantville >yesterday, and I'm finding it hard not to draw links between the film and >our situation. We have the black-and-white old guard already in place, and >Bill has kindly volunteered to play the part of Bud/David, while John is >obviously our slightly less instantly appealing Peggy Sue (I await their >slated defections to each opposite side with baited breath), and Fred could >be a whole number of parts (Jeff Daniels, I'm thinking). However we still >need a Joan Allen, and the casting agent's getting desperate. Sadly, it >seems that in "tela@nettwerk.com" (I missed your name, sorry) we already >have a Whitey AND a mayor. > >Now before everyone (politely) flies off the handle, I'm not suggesting that >Ecto's upholding of (non-nuclear) family values is a bad thing, but you >could argue that our self-policing sometimes goes overboard. I don't think >the reaction to John's e-mails should be calls for him to unsubscribe, but >nor do I think we should act like a human wall of good will. If Tom wants to >be annoying, we can reply or ignore to our own discretion, but it a mistake >to shake our heads sadly and say (to paraphrase) "You haven't found the true >way", for it won't work. Haven't you heard the old saw, "The road to >flamewars is paved with good intentions"? On every other mailing list I'm >on, flamewars begin with the well-meaning, concilatory response to the >original flame. There's nothing a flamer hates more than to have a blanket >thrown over his fire. It doesn't even seem as though that is what John is >trying to do. In fact, Fred's right, John's hilarious. > >I'm wondering if our token rabbit-hole has taken it upon himself to reform >our backwards black-and-white ways and bring us out into the real world of >agressiveness, arrogance and, er... y'all. If so, I think I prefer Peggy >Sue's chances. John's only got his words to convince people with, no matter >how provocative they are. > >In any case, whoever wins the ensuing battle, I'm glad that Ecto's music >allotments are less repetitive than Pleasantville's. Walter Mathis, anyone? > >Regards, >To, > >Tim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 00:06:03 -0700 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: Recorded Happy Concerts? At 1:26 PM -0500 3/13/99, Joe Casadonte wrote: >I've just recently started trading Dead CDs, and I'm absolutely amazed >at the number of artists that allow themselves to be recorded and traded >(i.e. no money changes hands). I was wondering if anyone knew whether >Happy fit into this model or not? If so, does anyone have any Happy >concerts recorded? I'd love to turn some of my Deadhead friends onto >Happy.... No, Happy doesn't fit into this model, and yes, there are a number of Happy concert's floating around. Happy has never been encouraging of distributing tapes of her stuff, and in some cases has been actively discouraging. That was the case in the Prism show, which is the live Middle East concert that was broadcast on local (to Philly?) cable. Despite it's being shown on television, she was opposed to it being tree'ed on the list (which doesn't mean someone won't tape it for you - not me though, cause I don't have a VCR). When the tape dubbing project was in existance, there were tapes of Happy at Joyous Lake (these must be around 8 years old now!). I know tapes of some of the Tin Angel shows exist (cause I have some, or fragments of some). Just don't make me take any Dead tapes in trade :) It'd be interesting to know how many tapes of Happy shows are out there. I don't have access to all my tapes at the moment (moment = months), but I know I have a few, including Happy at the Tin Angel, 5/10/96 (second show). neal np: Singles - Alison Moyet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 00:23:38 -0700 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: Lisa Cerbone--new cd yet? At 6:02 PM -0800 3/11/99, basil@naxs.com wrote: >when Lisa Cerbone was in our neck of the woods, she talked about >a new cd and played a few songs from it. Has this surfaced yet? > Any news? In January I posted this information: - ----------- What's in the Future? -- Now that I'm no longer on Ichiban, you may be wondering what's next? I have made plans to begin my next recording beginning the end of this month. It will be produced by Mark Kozelek of the Red House Painters and recorded in San Francisco. Mark is well-known for his brooding, confessional style of songwriting, and I have been a big fan of his for the past five years. I'm overjoyed with the prospect of working with someone I've admired for so long, and I think this next recording will help me develop my sound even further. In the meantime, I will be searching for another label and making the recordings available through shows and the website. Hopefully, if all goes well, you can expect the third CD to be out by the end of the summer. Real Audio/Real Video -- New songs and videos will be made available over the website very soon. As songs become recorded, I will be giving them test drives over the website. Also available will be the very raw, stark demos done acoustically and with the band. I'm hoping these will be uploaded by the end of the month. Many of you don't know this, but two videos were made for Mercy. We will try to get these uploaded on the site soon too. (This might take a little longer since the directions in the instruction booklet prompt us all to say "huh?" Very cryptic, indeed.) - ----------- I do have this newer info though, which I haven't posted: In January (or early February), Lisa spent 11 days in San Francisco with Mark K. working on the songs before the money ran out. At that point, they had done tracking on 11 songs, plus a number of vocals. Lisa was there without the band due to expenses, but hopes to integrate some of the recording they've done in Maryland into the work from San Francisco. Tim Mooney from the American Music Club played drums on seven tracks. (Hmmm, American Music Club plus Red House Painters, can you say brooding?) The engineers had just finished working with Mr Bungle and Tom Waits. I checked the web-pages, but it didn't have as much info as this. It did contain this tidbit though - The new album is tentatively titled Wrinkles, Vigils, and Dreams. That news dates back to early February. I'll see if I can get any more info. neal np: Singles - Alison Moyet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 00:33:20 -0700 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: back from the dead, lots o cds At 2:58 PM -0800 3/12/99, Richard Holmes wrote: >I have between 900 and 1100 cds in various spots, and am thinking of the >sleeves that Niele recommends. However, only about 500 of the CDs are >in alphabetical order (in the living room case); the rest are in >various stacks, and in my two file cabinets at work (these are *never* >in alphabetical order). Oh and a few are in these carrying boxes, which >I wonder if those cool-sounding sleeves would fit inside of... The sleeves roughly match all the dimensions of a jewel-box except width. They should work in boxes or shelves (though they might need some stabalizing). They don't work very well in piles though. >I'm completing my collection of readily available Cat Power, and building >on the Cocteau Twins, and attempting to get into October Project. > >> Falling Farther In October Project >> October Project October Project Well, that is the whole October Project catalog, so if you fail with these, you've nowhere to go. neal np: Singles - ALison Moyet ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 00:39:07 -0700 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: The recent bigwig merger At 5:00 AM -0600 3/13/99, Kay S Cleaves wrote: >As ecto is so rife with independent artists, I thought this might be >interesting to mention here, and was wondering what folks' thoughts were >about the whole deal. Seems to me that with all the information available over the internet, the big labels are less and less necessary. That's perhaps a somewhat idealistic and unrealistic view. They are uneccessary if you WANT to find other music. If record stations don't pick up independent releases (and video channels, assuming an independent can even make a video), it seems unlikely that the mass of consumers will buy anything independent. Most people don't seek out interesting music, they take whatever they are exposed to. Those people won't be exposed to independent artists. I'm not sure that will really effect most of the artists that are being dropped though. They get dropped cause their albums weren't getting played and sold anyway, so it doesn't seem to make much of a difference. If anyone can find the point of that paragraph, could you let me know? neal np: Singles - Alison Moyet (eek, on a major label!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 22:17:47 -0700 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: Even *more* reactions to Happy's catalogue At 12:42 AM -0800 3/13/99, Billi Mazur wrote: >"Just Like Tivoli" is such a beautiful piece with a memorable and >haunting melody. Happy uses her high voice in such a lovely way. I >really like the slow build into the song. Kevin's and Happy's >atmospheric guitar playing is perfect on this track. This is one of my >favorite Happy songs. You might be interested to know that, when BtC came out, Tivoli was the song that people were most divided on. neal np: macuilxochitl - TEOTLECO (original instruments, pre-hispanic Mexican music) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Mar 1999 23:06:43 -0700 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: Lamond v. Parsons At 5:22 PM -0800 3/13/99, Neile Graham wrote: >At 4:14 PM -0600 3/13/99, Mark Lowry wrote: >>Hi, >> >>Trying to make a decision for Tuesday night activities ... Mary Jane >>Lamond or David Parsons Dance Company. Have seen the latter years ago, >>and love 'em. Never heard MJL's music, but I know she's been mentioned >>here a lot. Comparisons? Suggestions? > >Mary Jane Lamond has a lovely voice and does fairly traditional (meaning >stripped down rather than rocked-up or New-Aged-up) versions of traditional >material from Nova Scotia. Much of it is in Gaelic. Some lively ones, and >some poignant ballads. That pretty much sums it up. She reminds me somewhat of Mouth Music on their first album, but without the electronic experimental stuff (though maybe that's because it's the only album I have that is totally full of songs in Gaelic). Actually, in the concert and on the one disc I have, ALL (not much) of the songs were in Gaelic. >I haven't heard her live, but I really enjoy her two discs. If you didn't immediately delete my Folk Alliance ramble, you'll understand when I put her in the Taos chategory. That is, I'd drive 3 hours to see her. In fact, I figured this was very likely to be true, so the first time I heard her was when I drove up to Taos to see her last year. Turned out I was right, and I'd gladly do it again. I posted a review of the show here, but the gist of it was that it was wonderful. She had a full band with an excellent fiddler and a bunch of people that sang backup harmonies. I didn't realize she has two albums. There was only one for sale at the show, and when I bought another copy at Borders (as a gift for my dad), they only knew of one too. What's the scoop on the one that's not Suas E! ? My dad likes his disc, but he thought it was warped at first, thanks to the spinning wheel featured on the first track. neal np: Suas e! - Mary Jane Lammond (oh the power of suggestion) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 03:09:33 EST From: FAMarcus@aol.com Subject: Re: Ecto = Pleasantville? In a message dated 3/14/99 2:06:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, afinney@ozonline.com.au writes: << , I'm glad that Ecto's music >allotments are less repetitive than Pleasantville's >> Regards, >To, > >Tim i just want to publicly thank you for this post. from begining to end it was a great read. it also gives me joy to see someone with a sense of humor. and i think this kind of behavior should be encouraged. unfortunately you should unsubscribe. it's whats best for the people. you do care about the people don't you tim??? i'm personally going to miss you but i want to fit in so it's tIme for you to leave.........now!!!!!! unsubscribe unsubscribe UNSUBSCRIBE NOW!!!!!!!!!!! i just want to belong.........don't make me leave fred ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 01:15:11 -0800 From: "Neil K. Guy" Subject: Re: civil facists Culture clash. On the one hand we have this semi-private list, which has been around for some years and has grown its own social conventions and house style. And on the other we have a couple newcomers who charge in thinking that hey - it's just like an AOL board or Usenet - an anarchic free for all. I'll say whatever the hell I want. Not only that, but I'll make fun of people for talking about uncool subjects like CD filing. Point this out and you get labelled a tight-ass humourless fascist, I mean, facist, which strikes me as being a pretty uptight response in itself. Whatever. It's just a mailing list. - Neil K. - -- t e l a computer consulting + design * Vancouver, BC, Canada phone: (604) 254-0520 * email: tela@tela.bc.ca web: http://www.tela.bc.ca/tela/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:03:14 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald G. Keller" Subject: Sleater-Kinney Playing Mr. Literal here...Sleater-Kinney has released an eponymous EP and three full-length albums (=Call the Doctor=, =Dig Me Out=, and =The Hot Rock=)--each of which has been a tiny bit less raw and immediate than its predecessor--and totalling up along with a few stray singles it comes out to a little over 50 songs...so I doubt they did their whole repertoire, even though many of their songs are very short ("a real man" from the debut EP clocks in barely over a minute, and is a complete--and great--song that will scour out your brain). Carrie Brownstein and Corin Tucker are not, individually, spectacular guitar players (though Brownstein is highly imaginative); together, though, they're absolute dynamite. I've seen them at least a half-dozen times (have tickets for =both= New York shows next weekend), and they're one of the greatest live bands I've ever seen. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 08:47:09 -0500 From: "Tom Ditto" Subject: Re: Just like Tivoli (was: Even *more* reactions to Happy's catalogue) Meredith wrote: >The Tivoli of the song is a teensy town just outside of Albany, New York, where Happy grew up. I'm sure that town was named after the place you mentioned in Italy, though< There is a garden for children of all ages in Copenhagen which takes its name from the Italian Tivoli, and given a little imagination, the lyrics of Happy's song invokes this wonderful playground. Tom ditto@taconic.net "Do you copy? Over..." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 10:44:15 -0500 From: Paul Blair Subject: Re: Just like Tivoli Tom Ditto wrote: >Meredith wrote: > >>The Tivoli of the song is a teensy town just outside of Albany, New York, >where Happy grew up. I'm sure that town was named after the place you >mentioned in Italy, though< > >There is a garden for children of all ages in Copenhagen which takes its >name from the Italian Tivoli, and given a little imagination, the lyrics of >Happy's song invokes this wonderful playground. From when I was in Europe, I recall hearing the word "tivoli" used as a generic term for an amusement park. After looking at some online dictionaries in German, French, Italian, Spanish, Danish and Swedish, I only find a "tivoli" in Swedish, but it does have that meaning. Odd, though, since I've never been to Sweden. - --Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:27:33 -0500 From: Steve I Subject: Mary Jane Lamond vs. Parsons Mark asked: >Trying to make a decision for Tuesday night activities ... Mary Jane >Lamond or David Parsons Dance Company. Have seen the latter years ago, >and love 'em. Never heard MJL's music, but I know she's been mentioned >here a lot. Comparisons? Suggestions? Mary Jane Lamond puts on some pretty good shows. Her songs are entirely in Gaelic, so if lyrics are a big thing with you she might not be for you. She seems to be at her best when singing fast, high energy songs with Wendy MacIsaac playing blistering fiddle beside her. While fun I wouldn't necessarily classify her as essential ecto listening. If you're a fan of Celtic music then you should go to MJL's show. Otherwise David Parsons Dance Company may be a better choice for you. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 12:55:14 +0000 From: Silme@ix.netcom.com Subject: Mary Jane Lamond's traditional cd I pulled out my copy of Mary Jane's traditional cd (I think her first cd?) called Bho Thir Nan Craobh (In the Land of Trees). I can't find a copyright date on it anywhere, but I think it's probably three years old. I know I ordered it from a Canadian folk music company -- Back Porch Music, perhaps? I can't remember. All of the songs are in Gaelic, but she kindly printed both the Gaelic lyrics and the English translations on the booklet. Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:14:18 EST From: FAMarcus@aol.com Subject: Re: Ecto = Pleasantville? In a message dated 3/14/99 4:21:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, vickie@wwa.com writes: << Why are you being such an asshole? Does it make your pecker hard? Does it make you feel like a real man? Does it make you feel superior to us pansies who just want to keep ecto a civil place to hang out? If you should see me again at another Philly Happy concert, please pretend you don't know me. Thank you. Vickie >> Now this letter was a work of art. Truly. Coming from you i take being called an asshole a compliment. And out of all the letters written, yours was the most vile and disgusting. And personal. It's interesting to see your dark side surface like this. You should be proud of yourself. And please..................pretending I don't know you would be my pleasure. Your welcome. fred ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:22:30 -0500 From: Mark Miazga Subject: Pepper Acton / Magdalen Hsu-Li Hi everyone, Just FYI (especially if there are any mid-Michigan ectoers), both Pepper Acton and Magdalen Hsu-Li will be on my college radio station tonight. Both will be featured on a show called "Sit or Spin", during which listeners and callers decide if the station should play a song or not. Pepper Acton's "To Johnny" and Magdalen Hsu-Li's "Chick Pop" will both be featured. You can listen live at 88.9 FM in Michigan or http://www.wdbm.msu.edu/Listen.html on real audio. The show is from 9-10 tonight. I'll be a panelist. Both of the singers I have just booked for my coffeehouse, so I'm trying to get support for them. Call in if you want. Mark - -- Mark Miazga e-mail: miazgama@pilot.msu.edu 580 West Akers Hall East Lansing, MI 48825 (517) 353-3321 http://www.msu.edu/~miazgama Program Coordinator of The Common Grounds Coffeehouse. Cheap Concerts every Friday night in the basement of Akers Hall. Schedule, booking, and mailing list info at: http://www.msu.edu/~miazgama/coffee "In the beginning there was nothing. God said, 'Let there be light!' And there was light. There was still nothing, but you could see it a whole lot better." - -- Ellen DeGeneres "Life's short and hard, like a bodybuilding elf." -- Jimmy Pop Ali ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:33:31 -0600 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: Ecto = Pleasantville? Fred wrote: >Now this letter was a work of art. Truly. Coming from you i take being >called an asshole a compliment. And out of all the letters written, yours was >the most vile and disgusting. And personal. It's interesting to see your >dark side surface like this. You should be proud of yourself. >And please..................pretending I don't know you would be my pleasure. >Your welcome. > > fred Excuse me, you just sent a private e-mail from me to Ecto. I assume you did it on purpose to show everybody my "dark" side, since I chose to keep my flames in e-mail. You and Drummond can try to destroy this list, but it won't work. You'll never win, we won't break down. Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:49:56 EST From: FAMarcus@aol.com Subject: Re: Ecto = Pleasantville? In a message dated 3/14/99 5:38:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, vickie@wwa.com writes: << You and Drummond can try to destroy this list, but it won't work. You'll never win, we won't break down. Vickie >> whoaaaaaaaa can you say............... paronoid delusional?????? Destroy this list???? Have you ever spoken to john????? He loves this list and the insight to the different kinds of music that is discussed here. As do i. I just find it ironic that for a person who professes to embody civility, you send a letter with such venom as your previous one. "You'll never win???? we won't break down????; You're starting to scare me now.......... seriously. fred ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 17:19:19 -0600 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: Ecto = Pleasantville? At 05:49 PM 3/14/99 -0500, Fred wrote: >>You'll never win, we won't break down. >"You'll never win???? we won't break down????; >You're starting to scare me now.......... seriously. Uh, Fred, they're lines from a song. The song is called "I Won't Break Down." The artist who wrote the song is named Happy Rhodes. The album the song is on is called _Ecto_. The mailing list we're on was named after the album. Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 18:44:06 EST From: FAMarcus@aol.com Subject: Re: Ecto = Pleasantville?......who is bored yet????? In a message dated 3/14/99 6:22:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, vickie@wwa.com writes: << Uh, Fred, they're lines from a song. The song is called "I Won't Break Down." The artist who wrote the song is named Happy Rhodes. The album the song is on is called _Ecto_. The mailing list we're on was named after the album. Vickie >> Is there a particular reason you are explaining me things that i already knew???? Happy, to the best of my knowledge did not write your email to me. So her intent was not yours.....of that i am sure. I answered you......not Happy. Try to seperate the two.........I sure as hell did. your pal..........fred ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 19:09:01 -0500 (EST) From: jason and jill Subject: Re: Ecto = Pleasantville?......who is bored yet????? > Is there a particular reason you are explaining me things that i already > knew???? Happy, to the best of my knowledge did not write your email to me. > So her intent was not yours.....of that i am sure. I answered you......not > Happy. Try to seperate the two.........I sure as hell did. > your pal..........fred One of the nice things about regular mail is that when you receive a letter from a known asshole you can just write "return to sender" on the envelope and put it back in the box. One of the nice things about unix is that it can approximate some of those old wonders of the corporeal world. For most unix users, insertion of the following in a file in their home directory called .procmailrc will do the trick: :0 * ^From.*FAMarcus@aol.com ! famarcus@aol.com Jason ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 19:13:27 -0500 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: Re: Ecto = Pleasantville? I don't want to get into this fray but what just happened here is so deeply disturbing I am compelled to speak up. I've worked in the I/T trade for 20 years. If it was ever reported to my management that I had copied someone's private email to a public forum without their permission or knowledge, even on my own personal time, they would fire me immediately. And justifiably so. It demonstrates an indefensable lack of ethics, judgement and respect for the rights of others. I could not accept any excuse for such behavior - on ecto or anywhere else. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 19:38:56 -0600 From: Suzanne Cerquone Subject: Can't We All Get Along? Hey guys and gals, I loved this list for its civility. I'm on four other music lists that can get into serious flame-throwing activities. We're talking asbestos undies worn 24-7 there. But this list is deteriorating. Am I leaving? No. My quest for great music far exceeds my frustration with some miscommunications here. I have absolute faith that we can all get along here, or at least most of the time. Remember we're here because of Happy's amazing talents. And beyond that, many other incredible Ecto-ish artists. I'd like to request that the flame wars be taken off list. Vickie tried to do that but was dragged kicking and screaming back in. Fred and John, please take my and other people's advice: if you don't like the topic, hit DELETE. If you don't like someone's post in particular, respond privately. I think if we all agree to do this, we can make our feelings be heard and at the same time have a "pleasant" list. - --Suzanne ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 16:11:22 -0800 From: G Perez Subject: Upcoming on KCRW KCRW Online Broadcast (All Times Pacific) http://www.kcrw.org/online/ 3/15 - Jill Sobule interview/performance rebroadcast from 3/12 (3AM & 5PM) 3/15 - Jonatha Brooke live interview/performance 11AM (rebroadcasted 3/16 3AM & 5PM) 3/18 - Jane Siberry live interview/performance 11AM (rebroadcasted 3/19 3AM & 5PM) 3/20 - Pink Martini live concert from The Mint in Los Angeles 10PM 3/22 - Joe Henry live interview/performance 11AM (rebroadcasted 3/23 3AM & 5PM) ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:15:11 -0500 From: meredith Subject: creatures tour dates Hi! Jeff Hanson alluded to an upcoming American tour for the Creatures. According to Pollstar, here are the dates: 04/12/99 St. Louis MO Karma 04/13/99 Lawrence KS Granada Theatre 04/14/99 Minneapolis MN First Avenue 04/16/99 Chicago IL Metro / Smart Bar 04/17/99 Detroit MI St. Andrews Hall 04/18/99 Cleveland OH Odeon Concert Club 04/20/99 Boston MA Axis 04/22/99 New York NY Irving Plaza 04/23/99 New York NY Irving Plaza 04/24/99 Washington DC 9:30 Club 04/26/99 Nashville TN Exit / In 04/27/99 Atlanta GA Masquerade 04/28/99 New Orleans LA Howlin' Wolf 04/30/99 Austin TX Liberty Lunch 05/01/99 Dallas TX Deep Ellum Live 05/04/99 Santa Ana CA Galaxy Theatre 05/06/99 W Hollywood CA House Of Blues 05/07/99 Santa Cruz CA Palookaville 05/08/99 San Francisco CA Maritime Hall 05/10/99 Seattle WA Fenix / Fenix Underground I'm seriously considering one of the NY shows, though I have a feeling I've already got stuff on the calendar both days. Sigh. +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Mar 1999 20:19:10 -0500 From: meredith Subject: music (for a change) Hi! OK kids, cut it out or I'll be forced to tie you all to a chair and make you listen to the entire Backstreet Boys and Hanson catalogs for the next week, 24 hours a day. This has gone WAY beyond the pale. Anyway. Picked up Beth Orton's _Central Reservation_ today. I'm on listen #2, and I can already tell this one's a definite winner. _Trailer Park_ took a while to jump out at me, but then I haven't been motivated to listen to it in quite some time. This one, however, stands up and says "Hi, I'm great" from the first strains of the opening track. The word that best describes this album right now is "rich", as in rich and creamy. Delicious. I have SO much I've set aside to reply to, it's almost useless to even try at this point. But I'll touch on a couple things, while I'm here. There was some general confusion as to whether and how Mary Fahl was ever involved with the _Peter and Wendy_ production. I don't think I saw the real deal stated here, which is that Mary filled in for Susan McKeown one night when the show was in New York City. I believe (though don't quote me on this) that she was considered to be the vocalist when the production was at the Yale Repertory Theatre last fall, but she ended up not doing it, for whatever reason. Mark Lowry posted: >Christine Lavin -- Feb 26 at the old Main Street Theater in Mansfield TX >(little town about 30 SE of Fort Worth). I reviewed this show overnight >for the paper, so unforunately I had to leave at intermission to meet my >deadline. I'm just curious - how can you honestly review a show if you were unable to experience the whole thing? Does it bother you that you were forced to do that, or is this something you do all the time? This has given me a flash of insight into why many concert reviews seem to me to be unfair. When I say to myself, "it seems like the reviewer wasn't paying attention to the whole thing", maybe the reviewer wasn't even there for the whole thing! I find that a rather scary (though, since I'm such a cynic, not surprising) prospect. Bill Mazur postscripted: >np: Suzanne Vega - days of open Hand Funny - at the record store this afternoon I was paging through an old issue of Q Magazine (the one with George Michael on the cover), and the back page was an interview with Suzanne Vega, in which she stated that listening to that album now gives her hives. Apparently she hates it and thinks it's the worst thing she's ever done. I know a lot of people here seem to agree with that ... it's not my favorite of her albums, but it's not on the bottom either (I think _Nine Objects of Desire_ would win that distinction - even though I loved it when it first came out, I haven't had any desire whatsoever to listen to it since that time). In fact, woj and I pulled it out recently and were marveling at some of the forgotten gems on it ("Tired of Sleeping" and "Rusted Pipe" spring immediately to mind there). Neal followed up: >Happy has never been encouraging of distributing tapes of her stuff, and in >some cases has been actively discouraging. That was the case in the Prism >show, which is the live Middle East concert that was broadcast on local (to >Philly?) cable. Despite it's being shown on television, she was opposed to >it being tree'ed on the list (which doesn't mean someone won't tape it for >you - not me though, cause I don't have a VCR). That is true. To this day I can't fathom why, but it's the wish of the artist and I have to follow that, no matter how misguided I find the sentiment. >When the tape dubbing project was in existance, there were tapes of Happy >at Joyous Lake (these must be around 8 years old now!). Nope, it's still 1999. Neal, the Joyous Lake show was in the summer of 1994. :) Are you thinking of the QE2 Albany show, almost exactly seven years ago today? And the University of Pennsylvania Museum Auditorium show of a couple days later? Those used to be part of the Dubbing Project, and the only postulation for getting a copy was, you had to own all of Happy's albums (honor system, but it worked). I've tried to keep to that rule when making copies of all of Happy's shows since then too. >I know tapes of >some of the Tin Angel shows exist (cause I have some, or fragments of >some). There are also tapes from the Bottom Line, and the shows from last fall. >It'd be interesting to know how many tapes of Happy shows are out there. I >don't have access to all my tapes at the moment (moment = months), but I >know I have a few, including Happy at the Tin Angel, 5/10/96 (second show). I'd have to go into the other room to list them all, but I'm too comfy here on the couch so I'm going to plead laziness and refrain. :) Michael postulated: >I bet rejects from you and woj are like hidden treasures for the >rest of us! Depends on what you're into, I guess. :) We have a Madonna single in there (I have NO CLUE where it came from), to give you some idea of what sort of things are lurking in that box. We keep meaning to post the titles on the ecto trading post, but that would require effort, and ... well. You know how that goes. :) Valerie Richardson commented: >With all of your concert going, you and Woj actually have time to cook?? >Amazing!! Well, I wouldn't call it "cooking". More like "making warm things which take the least amount of time and effort on a nightly basis". :) Speaking of which ... +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #96 *************************