From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #85 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, March 9 1999 Volume 05 : Number 085 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] New York Ectophiles [JavaHo@aol.com] hankdogs [sam ] Re: lurk lurk lurk [Patrick Moseley ] Re: lurk lurk lurk [Michael Colford ] Re: lurk lurk lurk ["jeffrey c. burka" ] Re: lurk lurk lurk [Michael Colford ] Review #2: RHODES II (longish...) [Patrick Moseley ] Re: Queen (Was: Re: ecto-digest V5 #76) [Juha Sorva ] Boston [JavaHo@aol.com] Someone unclear on the concept :-) ["Mitchell A. Pravatiner" ] FW: Wavelengths (a list for Jennifer Kimball fans) [Sherlyn Koo Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************** Tim Steele (no Email address) ********************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Tim Steele Fri March 08 1963 Pisces Matt Bittner Thu March 12 1964 Pisces kIrI Hargie Fri March 13 1970 Pisces Bob Dreano Thu March 13 1958 Pisces Randall K. Smith Sat March 15 1969 Pisces Jessica Skolnik March 16 Pisces Alan Sodoma Thu March 18 1965 LuckyLurker Richard Konrad Sat March 18 1944 Pisces Barry Wong Thu March 19 1970 Merlin Graham Dombkins Fri March 19 1965 Pisces Ian Young Wed March 19 1969 Squiggol Jeff Wasilko Wed March 19 1969 Pisces Geoff Carre Sat March 20 1954 Pisces John Stewart Sat March 21 1970 Aries Bob Brown Thu March 22 1951 Ham Valerie Nozick Thu March 25 1971 Aries Tom Proven Sat March 27 1971 Eat at Joe's Jennifer Albert Wed March 30 1966 Aries (w/Cancer rising!:) Warpaint Mon April 01 1991 Brilliant! Michael Pearce Wed April 03 1946 Pegasus Michael E. Bravo Mon April 05 1971 Dandelion Wine Brion McIntosh Sun April 06 1958 Aries Marcel Kshensky Thu April 06 1950 Aries Bill Mazur Mon April 06 1953 Aries Sun/Cancer Rising David Dixon Tue April 07 1970 Aries Heidi Heller Mon April 08 1974 Aries - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 07:21:41 EST From: JavaHo@aol.com Subject: New York Ectophiles I will be in midtown Manhattan this week for business, and will have Wednesday evening (the 10th) free. If anyone is aware of any Ecto shows or happenings, I would love to hear about them. Thanks, and have a good week...Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 09:56:48 -0500 (EST) From: sam Subject: hankdogs > Does anyone know about this group? I recently picked up what I assume > is their first cd, Bareback. > > As I listened to it for the first time, I thought for a moment that one > of the female singer's voices (don't know if it was Piano or Lily) was > reminiscient of Beth Orton. > > Ellen i saw the hankdogs play this weekend, and i thought they were really fabulous. i thought of beth orton too, and they've got a real 60s british folk thing happening as well. for anyone in nyc, they are supposedly playing at the rodeo bar (?!) this thursday night. the cd isn't as thrilling as their live performance, but there are some great songs - particularly "thought messages", "quality time" and "18 dogs" - sam ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:10:18 -0500 From: Patrick Moseley Subject: Re: lurk lurk lurk Welcome aboard, Scott... I too am relatively new to the newsgroup and have had a ton of fun so far reading and participating in the discussions. I would also pick "Equipoise" and MWABT as my two favorite Happy CDs as well as two of my favrote CDs, period. And I know what you mean about being able to introduce Happy to friends and claim her as your own. Just last night I was in my car with a friend and popped in a Happy mix tape. My friend is into almost everything on the radio -- Will Smith, Shania Twain, etc. -- so I expected Happy to go over like a lead balloon. But my friend got really quiet and listened, and then said, "Why isn't this woman HUGE?" (as in popular) Then this morning I got an e-mail from my friend, and she asked where she could find a copy of "that 'Proof' song... and the one inspired by 'The Last of the Mohicans'..." ;-) Happy slays another unsuspecting listener... Patrick >Hello to all of those Ecto-philes out there..... > >I have decided to come out of the lurker closet that I have been in here >for the last month or so and make myself known.... > >Quite simply, I **love** Happy Rhodes. Two of my all-time favorite CD's, >"Equipoise" and "Many Worlds Are Born Tonight", are by this incredibly >talented woman. I wish that more people knew who she was, but at the >same time, it is always fun to introduce your friends to someone whom >you can claim as your "own." > >Well, just thought I'd make a statement, which I have. > >Peace all. >Scott ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:19:22 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Colford Subject: Re: lurk lurk lurk I'd also like to welcome Scott, and at the same time, belatedly welcome Patrick. It's always wonderful to see how new people become exposed to, and then grow to love Happy's music. I joined this list a few years ago, never having heard Happy. You can bet I picked up one of her CD's pretty quick after joining. Since then I have turned on several of my friends to Ms. Rhodes, and I am just anxiously awaiting a live show in the Boston area! And Patrick, I really enjoy reading your reactions and in-depth reviews of Happy's catalogue. We talk about so many things on this list (which is one of the reasons I love it so much) but it's always refreshing to get involved in a nice Happy discussion! Michael http://www.whereitis.com/home/colford/ http://www.whereitis.com/home/chlotrudis/ n.p. Imogen Heap - I Megaphone n.r. The Nightbird Cantata by Donald Rawley - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Colford | Reading Public Library Head of Technical Services | Reading, Massachusetts colford@noblenet.org | *North of Boston Library Exchange* - -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 10:58:47 -0500 (EST) From: "jeffrey c. burka" Subject: Re: lurk lurk lurk On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Michael Colford wrote: > n.p. Imogen Heap - I Megaphone getting ready for the Imogen/Rufus bill, eh? I, too, have dug the recent discussions about Happy's stuff. It's interesting to see that it's come around to almost the exact reason that ecto was created...a whole bunch of us insisting, late spring of '91, that if you love KaTe, you'll love Happy. And the simple fact is, that isn't true. You'll *probably* love Happy, but if you don't, you're going to get pissed off at us blithering idiots who keep insisting that you should. Vickie, Larry, mjm, myself, and others, annoying gaffans. woo hoo! In any event, welcome to all the newcomers, and thanks for the intros. jeff np: _Crazy Flower: A Collection_, Chava Alberstein ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:20:02 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Colford Subject: Re: lurk lurk lurk On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, jeffrey c. burka wrote: > On Mon, 8 Mar 1999, Michael Colford wrote: > > > n.p. Imogen Heap - I Megaphone > > getting ready for the Imogen/Rufus bill, eh? Yes, I'm looking forward to it. It's so rare that I really enjoy both acts at a show. And talking about Imogen Heap, does anyone else think the first song, "Getting Scared" (which I love) sounds a lot like the old Canadian band, National Velvet (featuring Maria Del Mar on vocals)? Probably very few of you have ever heard of National Velvet. They were an alternative goth/metal band during the 1980's. I saw them live in Boston at the sadly defunct and missed club, The Channel. There were about 15 to 20 people in the audience. Anyway, Imogen is nothing like National Velvet, but her voice sounds uncannily like Maria's on that song! Whew! > interesting to see that it's come around to almost the exact reason that > ecto was created...a whole bunch of us insisting, late spring of '91, that > if you love KaTe, you'll love Happy. And the simple fact is, that isn't > true. You'll *probably* love Happy, but if you don't, you're going to get > pissed off at us blithering idiots who keep insisting that you should. > > Vickie, Larry, mjm, myself, and others, annoying gaffans. woo hoo! It was in fact Vickie's description of Happy on Lovehounds that I defected. Q: What's the biggest difference between Kate and Happy? A: Happy's quite a bit more prolific! Tongue in cheek, we all know there are lots more differences, but that's a big one, eh? Michael http://www.whereitis.com/home/colford/ http://www.whereitis.com/home/chlotrudis/ n.p. Daniel Cartier - Avenue A ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 11:43:09 -0500 From: Patrick Moseley Subject: Review #2: RHODES II (longish...) Hello all... After my review of RHODES I I've decided to continue on "consecutively," even though I understand I & II are really two halves of the same whole. Every time I listen to this album, I'm struck by how great and creative it actually is, a fact that was somehow completely lost on me the first one or two times I heard it. It's amazing, and I wonder how many other established and respected artists could release their initial demos or studio work and still hold their head as high as Happy should? "Come Here," as I've said in the past, would make one wicked lullaby, especially the last two verses. I like the music to this one, and thematically at least, this seems to be a precurser to "Cohabitants." It's interesting to me how "lovable" Happy makes her monsters' motives seem at times. And speaking of lullabies, "The Revelation" also comes across to me as a lullaby of sorts. Again, the music is sweet, and I love the way Happy sweeps down from her KaTe-like high register to her gravelly take on the word "reality." "Many Nights" amazes me every time I hear it. Four simple lines of text, four simple melody lines, all repeated several times in this short and totally repetitive song, and yet it's still captivating. I get chills the way Happy drones out the deep vocals of the first two lines and then sweeps us away in the layered and moving vocals of the last two lines. There's something amazing in the way she can take a line that the average listener probably can't relate to at all -- "although I am not very real, am I something you can love?" -- and still make it so moving. "Under and Over the Brink" doesn't do much for me musically, but lyrically it strikes me as the first semi-autobiographical song of the album (unless I'm mistaken), and I find it interesting that Happy heralds music as more constant and dependable than love... a notion that I'd tend to agree with at times (don't laugh -- but how many of us have an album or song that has been with us through more years and hard times than a particular relationship?). I love the music of "Let Me Know, Love," although I'm having a hard time figuring out exactly what Happy is singing about. Happy sounds like a little girl singing this song, which is fine although the somewhat nasal approach can hit the ears a little hard at times. This is still one of the most beautiful melodies of the album. "Where Do I Go" is also pretty melodically. Happy's voice sounds strikingly like Mary Fahl's (October Project) at times; check out the way she sings the word "believe" in the second verse and you'll know what I'm talking about. Lyrically Happy seems to be tackling the notion of guilt over a mistake or a lie that has cost her the trust of a loved one(s). Very interesting! Who in their lifetime has never wanted to go back and undo something they did wrong? The high point for me on this album is "Not for Me." Happy seems to be lamenting the fact that she loves unusual things -- the darkness over light, unreachable stars, the normal life, etc., and therefore will never find "the man of [her] dreams." The lyrics are interesting, but it's the music that floors me. The double echo on every other line of the verses gives me goosebumps (an idea she repeats on REARMAMENT's "The Issue Is" to lesser effect), and the simplistic/minimalistic approach is misleading to this song's overall power. I'd rank it as one of my all-time favorite Happy tracks. Reading through the lyrics to "One Alien," I noticed that this song could easily be sung by the Elliot character from the film "E.T." I'm left wondering if that was Happy's inspiration, because the way Elliot found an equal in his alien friend and the way "society" reacted to E.T. is mirrored here in Happy's lyrics. Just a thought. The music is quite nice as well... Up to this point, I remain consistently impressed by Happy's talent displayed on RHODES II. But beginning with "Noone Here," the album dips a bit for me, especially musically. My nit with this track is completely minor, given that it's a beautifully written and performed track. My complaint comes with the line "not even a kitty to share my storm," which throws off even a cat lover like myself. Something about the depression expressed by the narrator of the song makes me think such a line is a little too sentimental or cute. But again, that's a minor thing (and I don't even mind the periodic meows in the background). "To the Funnyfarm" and "Asylum Master" lose me for some reason. I can't really regard them individually for some reason, if only because their titles are linked in my head. "Funnyfarm" is just a tad too folkish for my tastes; and "Asylum Master" just doesn't do anything for me musically or lyrically to make up for it. "Beat it Out" treads on the territory first covered by "Many Nights" (short on lyrics, repetitive), only this song lacks the musical variety of "Many Nights," instead opting for a deep and drone-like melody that Happy delivers in her always-astounding lower register. Pleasant enough, but not noteworthy. The same can be said of "Beat it Out," although I think Happy has masterfully captured the mood of the classic nightmare -- being chased by some monster and having your feet fail you -- in the lyrics. Musically, though, she was more creative on the previous ballads of the album. As a bonus track, "Take Me with You" is good enough and fits in well with what has preceded it, but lacks the punch to make it stand out. Overall, excellence abounds on RHODES II, even moreso than on RHODES I, especially considering Happy's age and experience at the time it was recorded. The strength of the album definitely lies within the first nine tracks and only falters after that. And now that I've delved the lyrics a bit more, I'm beginning to appreciate (or at least understand) the monsters on her album covers. GRADE: B+ BEST CUTS: 1. Not for Me 2. Many Nights 3. Let Me Know, Love 4. The Revelation 5. Come Here LEAST FAVORITE CUT: To the Funny Farm Patrick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 22:37:06 +0200 (EET) From: Juha Sorva Subject: Re: Queen (Was: Re: ecto-digest V5 #76) Hello, Bill, (and Elina and the rest) On Fri, 5 Mar 1999, Bill Mazur wrote (to my sister): > Out of curiosity, how old is your brother Juha? At the moment, only 22, but I'm working on it... > The reason I ask this is because I noticed that you are a young Queen > fan at 20 years old. That is why I was curious about how you heard of > Queen. As for your next question, I was introduced to Queen as a kid when a childhood friend of mine heard them somewhere. And no, not too many others of our age were into them here, either. It's not like Queen was that huge in these parts, even though they had their hits, but for us they sure had a kind of magic. My friend ended up buying all their albums, and I ended up taping them for myself. I guess Elina couldn't avoid the contagion with us always playing those albums in the house. :) Nowadays, I really only like the old Queen stuff myself. Juha (currently starved for music, as his amplifier went kaputt while moving house several days ago. ARRGH!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 18:55:33 -0500 From: Philip David Morgan Subject: Re: Ofra Haza soundtrack work Good Evening, Jeffrey: > I don't remember if this was mentioned before or not in the > thread about Ofra Haza appearing in "The Prince of Egypt", but I > just finished watching "The Governess" with Minnie Driver, and > Ofra's singing is used throughout the movie (very effectively > actually). You'll also hear Ms. Haza's voice over the end credits to Patrice Chereau's _Queen Margot_ (which Disney/Miramax chose to issue pan/scanned on tape - big mistake)... of course, the London soundtrack CD has also been availible for some time. (Hint: grab it before Universal pulls it from stores.) Philip David 3/8/1999 n.p.: nothing for the moment - giving my ears a break - -- http://dianewolkstein.com/ - -- "I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is infinitely superior." - -Hippolyte Taine. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 19:03:02 EST From: JavaHo@aol.com Subject: Boston My trip to NYC this week has been re-routed to Boston. Any word of ecto-like doings on Wednesday (10th) would be appreciated. (Mr. Colford?) My web search indicates that I'm going to miss Imogen Heap by two days and that's darn near killing me. Maybe next time. Peace...Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 18:14:59 -0600 (CST) From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Subject: Someone unclear on the concept :-) In reading the discussion about an ecto webring, I am still trying to get a handle on how this would differ, conceptually, from the compendium of links to ecotophiles' hompages that now exists on the ecto website. In any event, if there is an ecto webring, count me in. My homepage address is www.prairienet.org/~mapravat . Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Mar 1999 16:56:27 -0800 From: Brian Bloom Subject: Re: Someone unclear on the concept :-) At 06:14 PM 3/8/99 -0600, Mitchell A. Pravatiner wrote: >In reading the discussion about an ecto webring, I am still trying to get >a handle on how this would differ, conceptually, from the compendium of >links to ecotophiles' hompages that now exists on the ecto website. Attempt at a differentiation: With a webring, if a surfer stumbled on *any* of our pages, they could navigate to others' pages or to a master list. With the homepage list, the only way a surfer could find about the other pages would be if they started from the master list itself. Clear anything up? (Or, alternately, we could all link back to the masterlist, but that's kinda the purpose of the webring anyway.. to go to another random *related* site, or to get a list of all the sites on the ring... Great for bored surfers, lousy for attempts at actual searching...) Brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Mar 1999 12:58:19 +1100 From: Sherlyn Koo Subject: FW: Wavelengths (a list for Jennifer Kimball fans) Hey folks, This is from the folk_music mailing list. I know there are a few Jennifer Kimball fans here so... - -sherlyn === >Date: Sun, 7 Mar 1999 20:40:51 -0500 (EST) >From: "Henry L. Lefkowitz" >Subject: Wavelengths (a list for Jennifer Kimball fans) > >Hey, everybody! I just wanted to let you know about the creation of >a new discussion list, "wavelengths," for fans of Jennifer Kimball, >formerly of "The Story" and now touring the country in support of her >1998 release "Veering From The Wave" (on Imaginary Road). This is a >great CD (one of my 10 best of 1998), and Jennifer is an amazing >artist, with a voice from heaven and great musical and writing >talent, and one heck of a nice person, too!:) Anyway, to subscribe, >you need to go to the following web page: > >http://www.onelist.com/subscribe/wavelengths > >Hope to see you there! > >Henry >- --- >Henry L. Lefkowitz >henryl@moon.jic.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Mar 1999 21:04:01 -0500 (EST) From: enya7@iname.com Subject: Praise/Miriam Stockley Hi, Can someone please send me a dubbed copy or original copy of the album "Praise" by the group "Praise"? Miriam Stockley sang on this album in 1992. She also sang on the Adiemus CDs. Other places that you may have heard her- Great Expectations film, Beatrix Potter tv show. She has been working on a solo album and it will be released sometime in 1999, maybe April or May. I've heard good things about Praise and I wonder if someone would be kind enough to send me a copy. I heard that this album is not available for sale anymore. Thanks, Erica :) - -------------------------- http://www.geocities.com/heartland/8920 - --------------------------------------------------- Get free personalized email at http://www.iname.com ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #85 *************************