From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #65 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, February 23 1999 Volume 05 : Number 065 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Male Vocalist recommendation [Laura Clifford ] Re: Early reactions to Happy's catalogue... ["Bill" ] Re: Movie Awards and such ["Xenu's Sister" ] Male vocalists *huff* [John Drummond ] Re: Male Vocalist recommendation [Steve VanDevender ] Re: Male vocalists *huff* [Rubber DeNiro ] Re: Male vocalists *huff* ["Joseph S. Zitt" ] RE: Male Vocalist recommendation [Cheri Villines ] male vocalists.... [Cheri Villines ] Re: Male Vocalist Recommendation ["Heather Russell" ] Re: Male Vocalist Recommendation [Rubber DeNiro ] Re: Male Vocalist recommendation [Stuart Myerburg ] RE: Male Vocalist recommendation ["Bill" ] Re: Male Vocalist recommendation [Michael Curry ] re: Male Vocalist recommendation [Songbird22@aol.com] Re: Male Vocalist recommendation [Birdie ] Re: Male Vocalist recommendation [Michael Colford ] bye, bye! ["Hart, Barbara" ] Re: Male Vocalist recommendation [James Dixon ] Tori Amos on VH-1 Storytellers ["Alana J. Brown" ] re: putting music on da web/male vocalists/Susan Werner [Steve I ] Re: Ecto musicians [Bill Mazur ] Re: Tori Amos on VH-1 Storytellers [kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white)] Re: Male Vocalist Recommendation [Bill Mazur ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:58:28 -0500 From: Laura Clifford Subject: Re: Male Vocalist recommendation Well, I just have to speak up for Robert Smith (The Cure), very closely followed by David Bowie. Laura ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:11:12 -0800 From: "Bill" Subject: Re: Early reactions to Happy's catalogue... On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:18:25 -0500, Patrick Moseley wrote: > 1) I'm definitely a bigger fan of Happy's newer, more electronic >music than her initial, acoustic-based music (with a few noteworthy >exceptions). I do appreciate the back-to-basics approach of the two >compilation albums, however. [and] > On a humorous note, the first time I listened to RHODESONGS, I was >listening over headphones in my room late at night with the lights out. As >the closing notes of the tribute version to "Feed the Fire" faded, I got up >to turn my stereo off, when suddenly through the headphones I heard Happy >say, "Hey Pat?" Needless to say, this nearly caused me (Patrick) heart >failure. I just last friday received RhodesSongs in the mail. Late that night, at the end of a very long week, I put on the headphones, turned the lights out in the livingroom, and played RhodesSongs as I stared at the stars through the window. It gave me the greatest natural high, and Happy's acoustic music and wonderous voice gave me all the soothing my soul needed. I must say that I am more fond of Happy's earlier, acoustic stuff, since I see beauty in it. The newer, electronic stuff has many merits on its own, though. So I guess it is more of a spectrum of times and places in Happy's musical evolution, _Warpaint_ probably being somewhere in the middle. But, after five or six listenings since friday, I must say RhodesSongs is one of my favorites. Thanks, Happy. - - Bill. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:38:14 -0600 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: Movie Awards and such At 07:53 AM 2/22/99 -0500, Michael Colford wrote: >Hi everyone! > >I know there are lots of movie fans on this list, so I just wanted >to point those people to my Movie Awards website, The Chlotrudis >Awards. This year marks the Fifth Annual Chlotrudis Awards, and >if you are at all a fan of movies, especially non-Hollywood types, >head on over to http://www.whereitis.com/home/chlotrudis. >There you'll find the 1998 nominees, our Mission Statement, a list >of past nominees and winners, and even an on-line ballot for you to >register your vote! Hi Michael, nice site! My one suggestion would be to lighten the background just a tad because though the film cannisters look great, they make the text a bit hard to read. It was fun to read your comments and you reminded me of some movies I still need to see and some that I had forgotton about. I haven't voted yet because I haven't yet seen all the movies. I have to express some disappointment in seeing that Pig In The City was only nominated in the Cinematography category. At least it's there somewhere, because 2 other favorites of mine from last year, Zero Effect and Out Of Sight, are nowhere to be found. Ah well, other favorites are there, such as The Spanish Prisoner's screenplay and Drew Barrymore performance in Ever After, Philip Seymour Hoffman, Pi, as well as movies such as The Truman Show and Shakespeare In Love. I love this time of year when movies are on a lot of people's minds. How sad that Gene Siskel died, yet it's somehow strangely appropriate that he died at this time of the year rather than in the summer or fall. I don't mean that to be disrespectful, I wish he hadn't died at all. I'm going to miss him. I've always liked him (even when I disagreed with him) but he *really* won my heart when he had the balls to tout Babe II as 1998's Best Movie. It's a great film and he and Roger stood up for it in the face of scorn and derision, much as they would have when they touted Babe as a wonderful film had Babe not caught the public's imagination a few years ago. Good for Gene, I say. (And good for Roger for having the balls to pick Dark City as his Number 1 of '98) Here's a URL you're probably aware of, but just in case. I can spend hours at this site, reading this guy's reviews. The site is called The Greatest Films which is a bit pompous, but I don't care. http://www.filmsite.org/index.html (ps, Mary McIntire is your Brother??) :-) Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:10:10 -0800 (PST) From: John Drummond Subject: Male vocalists *huff* Y'all, Okay, what? Do none of y'all listen to 16 Horsepower? David Eugene Edwards is a GOD. His voice is this primal deathly holler, and Jesus LORD do I love it. He's amazing. He's such an inspiration to this blues mama. ;D And how about Marc Anthony Thompson, from Chocolate Genius? He's got a great blues-rock voice, it's both melodic and extremely gravelly. And he's black, so that's ALWAYS a help. :D What about Willie Nelson? Johnny Cash? I think I'm a part of Ecto's minority when it comes to being obsessive about old country. I'll second (or third, or fourth, or seventy-sixth, whatever number it's up to now) the Radiohead thing. Thom Yorke? Delicious! Yo, I *totally* love Rufus Wainwright. I'll be seeing him and Imogen *saliva* in Atlanta on 21 March, and I must say, that is a double-bill sent from Jesus itself. And I suppose I shouldn't even *go there* when it comes to rap... Biggie has always been a personal favorite of mine, ESPECIALLY when he tried to sing in his tracks, because Lord KNOWS he couldn't, and it was just really funny and endearing. And then the rhymes started, and endearing and funny gave way to harrowing and somber. But that's just me. ;D I suppose I'm just the too-eclectic neurotic boy of Ecto. What can I say? No apologies! Johnny ;D == lyrics flow like spirits from the waters Moses parted _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:39:58 -0800 (PST) From: Steve VanDevender Subject: Re: Male Vocalist recommendation Although my music collection is mostly female artists, there are a couple of male singer/songwriters that I regularly listen to: Ben Folds of Ben Folds Five, and Thomas Dolby. I can't say that either are truly great vocalists, but they are really impressive songwriters and musicians. (As it turns out several of my favorite Ben Folds Five songs were co-written by Ben Folds and Anna Goodman, so there's even the benefit of some feminine influence there.) I'd probably most recommend the eponymous _Ben Folds Five_ album and Thomas Dolby's _The Flat Earth_ as the best introductions. I got my interest in Thomas Dolby from my brother (who is also responsible for my tolerances for such things as The Cars and Rush), and my interest in Ben Folds Five from seeing them open for Heather Nova at a show in Seattle and being completely blown away, partly because having never heard of them before I had rather low expectations which they promptly demolished. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:39:43 -0800 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: Male vocalists *huff* At 12:10 PM -0800 2/22/99, John Drummond wrote: >Y'all, > Okay, what? Do none of y'all listen to 16 Horsepower? David Eugene >Edwards is a GOD. His voice is this primal deathly holler, and Jesus >LORD do I love it. He's amazing. He's such an inspiration to this >blues mama. ;D OOOPS, yes John, you're right. He's amazing. I'm bad at this remembering business, especially without my cds in front of me. But David Eugene Edwards is well maybe not a GOD, I'd say a fallen angel bemoaning that fact. I'm not a country fan, though, old or otherwise. I'm surprised I like 16 Horsepower so much, but I love them. I'm glad that I went to the Innocence Mission concert they opened for or I doubt I'd ever have heard of them or given them a chance, but they blew me away on first listen. And I didn't mention Leonard Cohen (the early stuff for me: _Songs of Leonard Cohen_, _Songs of Love and Hate_, New Skin For An Old Ceremony_) simply because I know lots of people can't stand him. This thread seems to come up about once a year. I like that it's a change from other music discussions where the women are the minority and come up in threads like this. I love it that on ecto if we had a thread on female vocalists it would be nearly too large a subject to discuss, and that nowadays we have a chance to find out about these musicians. A far cry from the late 70s/early 80s when I discovered Patti Smith and Kate Bush and Dalbello and Marianne Faithful, and about the only female artist that everyone had heard of was Joni Mitchell. Well, I'm exaggerating, but not that much. - --Neile - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Neile Graham ...... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ....... neile@sff.net Les Semaines: A Weekly Journal . http://www.sff.net/people/neile/semaines The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music ....... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:42:04 -0800 (PST) From: Rubber DeNiro Subject: Re: Male vocalists *huff* - ---John Drummond wrote: > > Y'all, > Okay, what? Do none of y'all listen to 16 Horsepower? David Eugene > Edwards is a GOD. His voice is this primal deathly holler, and Jesus > LORD do I love it. He's amazing. He's such an inspiration to this > blues mama. Don't know him. ;D And how about Marc Anthony Thompson, from Chocolate > Genius? He's got a great blues-rock voice, it's both melodic and > extremely gravelly. And he's black, so that's ALWAYS a help. :D Don't know him. > What about Willie Nelson? Like his earlier stuff, some of his later stuff. Johnny Cash? Love him. I think I'm a part of > Ecto's minority when it comes to being obsessive about old country. > I'll second (or third, or fourth, or seventy-sixth, whatever number > it's up to now) the Radiohead thing. Thom Yorke? Delicious! > Yo, I *totally* love Rufus Wainwright. I'll be seeing him and > Imogen *saliva* in Atlanta on 21 March, and I must say, that is a > double-bill sent from Jesus itself. > And I suppose I shouldn't even *go there* when it comes to rap... I'm a devoted fan of good rap. The Beastie Boys _Hello_Nasty_ was my #1 album of last year, and Lauren Hill's was my #2. I even love Rage Against the Machine. > Biggie has always been a personal favorite of mine, ESPECIALLY when he > tried to sing in his tracks, because Lord KNOWS he couldn't, and it > was just really funny and endearing. Haven't gotten around to him yet, but I'm curious. Just the other day I went looking for Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliot but couldn't find it. And then the rhymes started, and > endearing and funny gave way to harrowing and somber. But that's just > me. ;D > > I suppose I'm just the too-eclectic neurotic boy of Ecto. What can > I say? No apologies! This male-Ectopian thread, which rears its lovely head what, annually or so, usually goes here. So I'm repeating myself when I protest against your protest by listing some of my favorite artists: Buck Owens Hank Williams Robbie Fulks Ray Wylie Hubbard Johnny Cash Fishbone George Clinton Lucas GURU Tricky Chet Baker Dean Martin Frank Sinatra Perez Prado JGThirlwell Skinny Puppy White/Rob Zombie As you can see from the above list (which could go on and on and on), the artists I (and others among us; one thing most Ectophiles have in common is eclecticity) named were chosen specifically in response to the original question ("What seems to be the 'general consensus' favorite male vocalist or male-fronted band among Ectophiles and/or Happy fans in general?"). This poster was not asking, you'll notice, for our individual favorites, as this thread inevitably becomes, but recommendations of artists with a high degree of overlap likely among Ectophiles: specifically, male Ectopian artists and not simply male artists. > > Johnny ;D > == > lyrics flow like spirits from the waters Moses parted > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:55:22 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: Male vocalists *huff* On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, Neile Graham wrote: > And I didn't mention Leonard Cohen (the early stuff for me: _Songs of > Leonard Cohen_, _Songs of Love and Hate_, New Skin For An Old Ceremony_) > simply because I know lots of people can't stand him. I'd definitely list Leonard Cohen as a songwriter, but i tend to prefer others singing his songs (though I have had, over time, every one of his albums and books). The same with Willie Nelson. I think some of the charm of his music is that he has such an unexceptional voice singing occasionally wonderful material. (Though perhaps I shouldn't judge this stuff after my solo yesterday when the awful glargy monsters took possession of my throat as I was singing unaccompanied *sigh*) Now if we're going for *distinctive* voices, there's always Tom Waits... - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:45:28 -0600 (CST) From: Cheri Villines Subject: RE: Male Vocalist recommendation > What seems to be the "general consensus" favorite male vocalist or > male-fronted band among Ectophiles and/or Happy fans in general? The Verve Grant Lee Buffalo Matthew Sweet Big Wreck Radiohead Dishwalla Better Than Ezra U2 Semisonic Son Volt and probably several others that I will remember later, when this thread is long over :P Cheri ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:52:12 -0600 (CST) From: Cheri Villines Subject: male vocalists.... Oh geez...how could I forget to put in these.. Nick Cave Spiritualized!!! Cheri ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:11:34 -0500 From: "Heather Russell" Subject: Re: Male Vocalist Recommendation In addition to the other male vocalists already mentioned, I would add Duncan Sheik - most of his songs are actually very somber, string-laden, and introspective Elliott Smith - still playing XO weekly. Mark Eitzel - liked the West album Brendan Perry of Dead Can Dance - should have a solo album coming out this Spring sometime :-) heather ************************************************** * Heather Russell * My music site: http://www.freecloud.com/heather * Indiegrrl: http://www.indiegrrl.com * Email: hrussellatbellsouthdotnet - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Access your e-mail anywhere, at any time. Get your FREE BellSouth Web Mail account today! http://webmail.bellsouth.net - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:16:51 -0500 From: Mark Miazga Subject: Re: Male Vocalist Recommendation I second Duncan Shiek, Elliot Smith, and Jeff Buckley, and would add to the list Dan Bern. He's done a lot of opening for Ani DiFranco in the past, and is a terrific and very funny songwriter. People tend to have strong reactions to him either way, but I think he's brilliant. He reminds me of a young Bob Dylan or Bruce Springsteen. Mark Heather Russell wrote: > In addition to the other male vocalists already mentioned, I would add > > Duncan Sheik - most of his songs are actually very somber, string-laden, and introspective > > Elliott Smith - still playing XO weekly. > > Mark Eitzel - liked the West album > > Brendan Perry of Dead Can Dance - should have a solo album coming out this Spring sometime > > :-) heather > > ************************************************** > * Heather Russell > * My music site: http://www.freecloud.com/heather > * Indiegrrl: http://www.indiegrrl.com > * Email: hrussellatbellsouthdotnet > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Access your e-mail anywhere, at any time. > Get your FREE BellSouth Web Mail account today! > http://webmail.bellsouth.net > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - -- Mark Miazga e-mail: miazgama@pilot.msu.edu 580 West Akers Hall East Lansing, MI 48825 (517) 353-3321 http://www.msu.edu/~miazgama Program Coordinator of The Common Grounds Coffeehouse. Cheap Concerts every Friday night in the basement of Akers Hall. Schedule, booking, and mailing list info at: http://www.msu.edu/~miazgama/coffee "In the beginning there was nothing. God said, 'Let there be light!' And there was light. There was still nothing, but you could see it a whole lot better." - -- Ellen DeGeneres "Life's short and hard, like a bodybuilding elf." -- Jimmy Pop Ali ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:30:22 -0800 (PST) From: Rubber DeNiro Subject: Re: Male Vocalist Recommendation - ---Heather Russell wrote: > > In addition to the other male vocalists already mentioned, I would add > > Duncan Sheik - most of his songs are actually very somber, string-laden, and introspective Haven't heard him yet, but he got talked up a lot on the Jeff Buckley list for the short time I read that. > > Elliott Smith - still playing XO weekly. Ohmygod how could I have forgotten him? Also one of my favorite albums from last year. I play it at LEAST three times a week nowadays. > > Mark Eitzel - liked the West album > > Brendan Perry of Dead Can Dance - should have a solo album coming out this Spring sometime I'm one of those who'd have to respond to that with an resounding "ack, barf." I was so happy when Lisa Gerrard came out with a solo album, cause then I wouldn't have to program the CD player to skip Brendan's songs whenever I played the disc. His voice made me yearn for an injury that would make me deaf forever. But I will be curious about his solo album, just to see if maybe... I'm often nearly as intrigued by artists I dislike as I am by artists I like. Any type of artist: I'm fascinated by bad movies, and will sit through one just to try to understand why it's bad. And I don't like to say I dislike a musical artist until I've heard enough of them to be able to say _why_ I don't like them. Anyway. - --Charley _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:08:39 -0500 From: Stuart Myerburg Subject: Re: Male Vocalist recommendation > What seems to be the "general consensus" favorite male vocalist or > male-fronted band among Ectophiles and/or Happy fans in general? I'll pipe in, even if not all of them are Ectophilic. Here are some of the male artists I find essential: Radiohead Crowded House/Neil Finn David Bowie The Smiths/Morrissey Peter Gabriel R.E.M. Pulp Blur The Verve Rufus Wainwright Talk Talk/Mark Hollis Pet Shop Boys Nine Inch Nails Peter Murphy I'm sure I've forgotten many others... Stuart np: Anima Animus - The Creatures nr: The Passionate Eye - Suzanne Vega - -- ______________________________________________ Stuart Myerburg http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~stuart ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:15:54 -0800 From: "Bill" Subject: RE: Male Vocalist recommendation >> What seems to be the "general consensus" favorite male vocalist or >> male-fronted band among Ectophiles and/or Happy fans in general? Absolutely, positively my most-favorite male band of all time: Yes (the "old" Yes, with Anderson, Squire, Bruford, Wakeman, Howe) Honorable mentions from "the early days": Blood Sweat & Tears Dire Straits Elton John George Michael Joe Cocker John Lennon Leonard Cohen Mick Jagger Horable mentions from the "jazz and such" file: Taj Mahal Louis Armstrong Chet Baker Puff Daddy Honorable mentions from the "latin and such" file: Ruben Blades Luis Guerra (and 4.40) Frankie Ruiz Plus those I forget... :) - - B. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:24:32 -0500 From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: Male Vocalist recommendation Since no one else has mentioned him, I'll just say that my favorite male artist right now is Richard Shindell. No contest. I respect people like Peter Gabriel and David Bowie, but I don't usually feel compelled to actually spend money on their albums. Mike np: Deanta -- Ready for the Storm nr: Running Linux (2nd ed) by Welsh and Kaufman | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@smoe.org | | http://www.io.com/~mcurry | | Am I bitter? Do I sound bitter? -- Veda Hille | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 19:39:29 EST From: Songbird22@aol.com Subject: re: Male Vocalist recommendation Um... Radiohead, Unbelievable Truth (Yorke brothers...yumm), Jeff Buckley, U2, Richard Ashcroft, Hayden, and Ron Sexsmith. :) jessica http://adam.nettfriends.com/Jess ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:08:18 +0000 From: Birdie Subject: Re: Male Vocalist recommendation Paddy McAloon of Prefab Sprout Birdie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:17:55 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Colford Subject: Re: Male Vocalist recommendation On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, Birdie wrote: > Paddy McAloon of Prefab Sprout You know, I almost posted about Prefab Sprout when Thomas Dolby was mentioned (since he produces the Sprout's albums). Paddy and crew put out some beautiful stuff, and Paddy is a really terrific songwriter. I wish they'd release some more! Michael n.p. Alanis Morisette - Supposed Former Infatuation Junkie - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Colford | Reading Public Library Head of Technical Services | Reading, Massachusetts colford@noblenet.org | *North of Boston Library Exchange* - -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:14:08 -0800 From: "Hart, Barbara" Subject: bye, bye! Hi fellow ectopians, I've spent most of my time here lurking and reading the digests, but I will be unsubscribing soon and wanted to say bye, all! I'm leaving the corporate world to work for a small start up company and my free time is about to become even dearer than it already is. I've discovered so much great music here. I want to thank everyone for making this such a warm, musically eye-opening and thoroughly enjoyable list. Thanks again. Bye for now. Barb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:03:21 -0500 From: James Dixon Subject: Re: Male Vocalist recommendation Several are mentioning Jeff Buckley, who was (is) definitely one of my faves, but no one has mentioned the hero of my youth, Todd Rundgren. He's not necessarily ectophilic, at least not always, but he does have a pretty excellent male falsetto voice. He's been at it for 30+ years now, has released over 30 albums, some under the band name Utopia, and now has an internet-based music distribution thing at http://www.tr-i.com (Todd Rungren Interactive). Some TR songs you might recognise are: I Saw the Light Hello, It's Me Can We Still Be Friends Bang the Drum All Day None of these are definitive of his style, which is unclassifiable. A couple good entry-level CDs are _Nearly Human_ and _2nd Wind_. A rock-ier intro would be _Todd Rundgren's Utopia_ from about 1975. _Initiation_ is probably the most ectophilic of his discs. I've been told that every serious music lover has to go through a Todd-phase. I certainly did. Mr_Jim ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ /whois Mr_Jim *** Mr_Jim is James Dixon *** Mr_Jim is a Radio Communications Systems Analyst/Technician *** Mr_Jim lives in Savannah GA USA *** Mr_Jim works predominately in Hilton Head SC (also USA) *** Mr_Jim is still pissed at Jeff Buckley FuE exfe94CFNY a+++ fte lus r+ ps+ t C++ w- p1 LF** N+ cd#+++ x+ Fa$ m? fc E rl--- d+ s** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Now Playing: Fox News on the toob. To the best of my knowledge, there are no Todd-DIVX discs. <><><> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 20:25:40 -0800 From: "Alana J. Brown" Subject: Tori Amos on VH-1 Storytellers Are you telling me that no one watched Tori on Storytellers last night????!!! It was very cool. She played about 5 tracks (number off the top of my head since I'd have to look at my tape of it again to see the exact number). I adored every minute of it, so I recommend that everyone watches for a repeat. Alana. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 23:46:35 -0500 From: Steve I Subject: re: putting music on da web/male vocalists/Susan Werner Chris typed: > Since everyone here always seem so knowledgable about computers and >music I thought I'd ask for some help. >Does anyone know of a good shareware program for recording music onto a >macintosh into wav or aiff format, or others? >Also what would you suggest as a format for song samples on a musicians site? >Thanks for any help your minds can lend. Thanks alot. I suggest that you offer a choice of formats. I like to offer 3 formats on my sites: WAV, RealAudio, and MP3. Since Windoze machines still dominate the webscape, WAV is a good format to use as a sort of base file to be used if people have nothing better installed. RealAudio IMO is a horrible format but almost every music fan surfing the net has a RealAudio player installed, so I'd also recommend offering that as an option. It also has the advantage that you can offer a streaming version even if you don't have a RealAudio server installed on your web server. And MP3 is good for offering higher-quality sound clips for those people who have it installed (and have hardware that's not too antiquated!), usually for download (as opposed to streaming in real time). I wouldn't go with any more than three different formats since it gets confusing for your web visitors if you give them too many options, especially if they have no idea what the different formats are. Anyway if you have any other questions please feel free to email me. - ---------------- Re: the male vocalist thread Count me in among the Rufus Wainwright devotees. I heartily agree with the person who described him as treating the human voice with reverence. It seems clear to me that he tries to express just as much emotion through the musical tone of his voice as he does with the content of the lyrics he's singing, and succeeds very well. I can understand why his voice might be irritating to some people, but to me it borders on rapturous. Someone whose voice I like for entirely different reasons is Shawn Verreault from Wide Mouth Mason. I've never seen anyone else who quite approaches his virtuosic skill on both vocals and guitar (he's one of the most amazing guitar players I've ever seen!). I'm not sure how much of that comes across on their CD. He really must be seen to be believed. - ---------------- I'd like to thank everyone who's been recommending Susan Werner (and especially to Jeff W for getting me one of her CDs), I finally got to see her play this weekend (twice!) and was MUCH impressed. She's even more powerful live than on CD, and I liked the CD (the Live at Tin Angel one) quite a lot. Ah what the heck, might as well do a mini review while I'm posting. I saw a great show with Tory Cassis, Sarah Slean, Susan Werner, and Moxy Fruvous yesterday, which I'm sure will inspire some impassioned jealousy in at least a few ectophiles here. Sarah played with just her cellist, the talented Kevin Fox, who is much in demand these days with ectophilic artists from the Toronto area. She played a few tortured-heart type songs (at least one of which should appear on the upcoming CD) and then launched into Me and Jerome and Universe. There was an annoying level of talking among the Fruheads near the back where I was standing, but there was also a huge group of them standing mesmerized at the front. Susan came on by herself and played a rocking set, in stark contrast to the more subdued acoustic set she played at an instore performance I attended the day before. I'd been looking forward to seeing her since getting her live CD in the summer and I wasn't disappointed. She brought the house down with that great hidden track on the _Time Between Trains_ CD. Is that her own song, does anybody know? It has a very musical theatre kind of feel, Sondheim or Gershwin-esque I guess. And it's hilarious! I was ready to leave at that point since I had a ton of papers to mark and I'd already gotten my fill of Moxy the night before, but a friend let me in on a little secret that both Sarah and Susan would be invited up on stage to play with Moxy in the middle of their set. Sure enough, before too long they called up Sarah and they did a great version of "Angel" with Sarah doing the lead vox and the moxy guys lending instrumental support and harmony vocals. Sarah said later on that they practiced for about 2 seconds before the show. Amazing. Not long after, they called up Susan and they did a great version of "Summertime" and then a priceless medley of pop songs from the 80's and 90's and including an audience singalong of "It's a Small World". As we were leaving I ran into Susan and her entourage, and she impressed me by remembering my name from speaking with her briefly the day before at the instore performance (we'd chatted about seven string guitars and the ecto-infamous karaoke bar incident). Anyway to sum up Susan bowled me over with her vocal talent and guitar playing, her stage presence, and friendliness. It was such a pleasure to finally see her play. The ectosynchronicity of her appearing on the same bill as one of the artists I've been championing on ecto for the last couple of years just blows me away. Anyway many thanks to the folks who've been recommending Susan, if I wasn't a total convert from her CD alone, I certainly was after seeing her live. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 16:41:51 +0000 From: "Tim Finney" Subject: Re: Male Vocalist recommendation - ---------- >From: Rubber DeNiro >To: Mark Lowry , ecto@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Male Vocalist recommendation >Date: Mon, Feb 22, 1999, 6:46 PM > >Also--also also also--Blue Nile! Beatiful, beautiful stuff. Kind of a >cross between David Byrne and Jane Siberry. Seconded, (and thirded and fourthed... or whatever). It amazes me how few people on Ecto mention The Blue Nile, as I cannot think of how a male artist/group could be *more* ecto-ish. Examples: 1. Beautiful, emotive, detailed synthetic backdrops. 2. Gorgeous, heartfelt singing. 3. Very cohesive albums. 4. Unbearably long gaps between albums (who does This sound liKe?). They've also worked with Rickie Lee Jones, and have been covered by Annie Lennox. How much more ectocentric can you get and be completely unacknowledged by Ecto? How can Ectophiles *not* know and love Tinseltown In The Rain, or The Downtown Lights, or Saturday Night? The Jane comparison is spot on. To everyone who loves The Speckless Sky, *run* and by Hats or A Walk Across The Rooftops. Regards, Tim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 22:38:25 -0800 From: Bill Mazur Subject: Re: Ecto musicians Robert Lovejoy wrote: > > Jessica notes: (yes, a musical pun or 2/3 of one) > >Anyway, I > >think it'd be way cool if there was some sort of ecto-music compilation CD > >that this list put out... or at least a tape and maybe we could tape tree > >it... covers or originals might be cool... just a thought. I know it'd be > $, > >but ... ? > > With ectophiles scattered all over the world, perhaps we could do it like > one of those stories people add to. What if we picked out a few songs, then > say, someone with access to good equipment (the rub?) could start a DAT with > a musical sketch. Then the tape could be passed from musician to musician, > each laying down a track over the original. > > It might work, but it would take some organizing! Perhaps we could arrange > for a time to meet on the ecto IRC channel and discuss it or other ideas as > a group. > > At the very least, we should get a count of who plays what! > > I play bass. > > Let's see if this flies... > > Bob Lovejoy Bob and the rest of the Ectophile musicians, I will throw my hat into the ring on this one as well. I play guitar. I bet none of you knew that one though, did you? ;-) I am the guitarist/songwriter/musical partner of Katheleen Michaels. You can go to http://www.kmichaels.com to hear our music. All of the suggestions appeal to me: 1) Contributing songs to an Ectophile compilation CD. I really like Jessica's suggestion. Katheleen and I are up for this one Bob and Fog. 2) Working on a collaborative effort. I don't know how well it would work. The logistics seem to be a little daunting to me. I'm game to try though if others want to make this happen as well. 3) Meth's and Bill's offers of having a web page or other source that makes us all aware of upcoming Ecto musician's shows sounds great. Thanks!!! I wish there were some Bay Area shows coming up. It seems like all of the interesting shows are on the East Coast or in the Toronto area. Since we are on the subject of Ecto musicians, I too am very interested in what is happening with the ULTIMATE ECTO MUSICIAN, HAPPY RHODES. Someone else asked about Happy tour dates, who she might open for, etc. Vickie or anyone else in the know here, any word? Did any of the input generated from Happy's question help her and Samson at all? Also, any news on the I/O fanzine? These questions may still be too premature. Anyway... Thanks, Bill n.p. Renaissance _Renaissance_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Feb 1999 00:41:04 -0600 (CST) From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: Re: Tori Amos on VH-1 Storytellers Hi, I, for one, wasn't warned. 8-( KrW "Yes, it left a great gaping hole in the water!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 22:40:31 -0800 From: Bill Mazur Subject: Re: Male Vocalist Recommendation Heather Russell wrote: > > In addition to the other male vocalists already mentioned, I would add > > Duncan Sheik - most of his songs are actually very somber, string-laden, and introspective > > Elliott Smith - still playing XO weekly. > > Mark Eitzel - liked the West album > > Brendan Perry of Dead Can Dance - should have a solo album coming out this Spring sometime > > :-) heather Hello everyone, I am going to jump in on this thread on Heather's post because I too really like Duncan Shiek's and Brendan Perry's voices. In male voices I lean mainly (but not exclusively) towards the moody, emotive and romantic type voices. Here are the other male vocalists that have been mentioned that I also really like: Peter Gabriel Jon Anderson David Bowie John Lennon Bono Nick Drake - A very beautiful songwriter and singer. I heartily agree with Valerie on this choice. Todd Rundgren Robert Smith Morrissey Thomas Dolby Michael Stipe Paddy McAloon Here are a few more outstanding male vocalists that haven't been mentioned yet: Steve Hogarth - IMO, really one of the most emotional and expressive singers around. I truly love his voice. Justin Hayward Brian Ferry Greg Lake Sting Seal Midge Ure Kevin Gilbert David Crosby David Cousins Phillip Hudson Thanks for pointing me towards: Jeff Buckley - Not my normal cup of tea musically, but I really like his voice. Based on the recommendation here I went to Music Blvd. to hear some song samples. I can see why many of you are enamored with him. I will put "Grace" on my to-get list. Thanks, Bill P.S. - The list exploded today. I can't go to work anymore! I miss out on all of the action! ;-) ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #65 *************************