From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #49 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, February 10 1999 Volume 05 : Number 049 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: the Clique + trivia question [jjhanson@att.net] Re: the Clique + trivia question ["Joseph S. Zitt" ] Re: the Clique + trivia question [Rubber DeNiro ] Re: the Clique + trivia question [Rubber DeNiro ] More of the DIVX stuff, sorry.... ["Drew Harrington" ] The Hope Blister/This Mortal Coil The Hope Blister/This Mortal Coil The Hope Blister/This Mortal Coil [Sha] "Mony Mony" & other sordid details [rlewis@adnc.com (Russ Lewis)] Who is this?? Unidentified singer ["Xenu's Sister" ] Re: The Hope Blister/This Mortal CoilThe Hope Blister/This Mortal CoilThe Hop... [Faerymous] Re: ecto-digest V5 #48 [lanblind@teleport.com] Re: April March [Bill Mazur ] Re: More of the DIVX stuff, sorry.... [FAMarcus@aol.com] Re: the Clique [Bill Mazur ] Re: Newbie question regarding "Equipoise" [Bill Mazur ] Re: the Clique + trivia question [Bill Mazur ] IQ's Ever ["Tim Finney" ] Incense and Peppermints (was re: the Clique) [Mark Lowry Who, also in the eighties, covered "I Think We're Alone Now," another > Tommy James and the Shondells hit? And who in the eighties covered > "Crimson and Clover"? The most common eighties version of "I Think We're Alone Now" was done by mallrat Tiffany. I much prefer the 1978? version by Lene Lovich. (What year did Stateless come out?) And Joan Jett was responsible from the monotonous remake of Crimson and Clover (over and over and over and over). So what do I win? Jeff Hanson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:32:14 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: the Clique + trivia question On Tue, 9 Feb 1999, Elephant Gerald wrote: > Who, also in the eighties, covered "I Think We're Alone Now," another > Tommy James and the Shondells hit? And who in the eighties covered > "Crimson and Clover"? That would be Tiffany and Joan Jett, respectively. (Now if I could only remember my passwords this easily...) I've always thought "Crimson and Clover" would sound great on trombone and tympani: "Braaaaaaat / boom BOOM boom BOOM boom BOOM..." - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:06:23 -0800 (PST) From: Rubber DeNiro Subject: Re: the Clique + trivia question - ---Brian Bloom wrote: > > At 12:31 PM 2/9/99 -0800, you wrote: > > > >Who, also in the eighties, covered "I Think We're Alone Now," another > >Tommy James and the Shondells hit? And who in the eighties covered > >"Crimson and Clover"? > > I think we need slightly harder questions than this... Tiffany and Joan Jett. HA! I love exposing Tiffany fans. (Actually, I was thinking of Lena Lovich's cover of "ITWAN") _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:18:17 -0800 (PST) From: Rubber DeNiro Subject: Re: the Clique + trivia question - ---Brian Bloom wrote: > > At 12:31 PM 2/9/99 -0800, you wrote: > > > >Who, also in the eighties, covered "I Think We're Alone Now," another > >Tommy James and the Shondells hit? And who in the eighties covered > >"Crimson and Clover"? > > I think we need slightly harder questions than this... Tiffany and Joan Jett. HA! I love exposing Tiffany fans. (Actually, I was thinking of Lena Lovich's cover of "ITWAN") _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:10:12 -0800 (PST) From: Rubber DeNiro Subject: Re: the Clique + trivia question - ---Brian Bloom wrote: > > At 12:31 PM 2/9/99 -0800, you wrote: > > > >Who, also in the eighties, covered "I Think We're Alone Now," another > >Tommy James and the Shondells hit? And who in the eighties covered > >"Crimson and Clover"? > > I think we need slightly harder questions than this... Tiffany and Joan Jett. HA! I love exposing Tiffany fans. (Actually, I was thinking of Lena Lovich's cover of "ITWAN") _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:51:43 -0800 From: "Drew Harrington" Subject: More of the DIVX stuff, sorry.... I want to start by saying I'm sorry I brought DIVX up in the first place, and I've been trying to avoid contributing to the DIVX-fest going on here - but I could not let this one go by... Fred Wrote: > It actually was a tongue in cheek response to the > knee jerk reaction that thought it necessary to > boycott the stores, and circuit city in particular. I don't take any offense, but my reaction was not knee jerk. It was a response arrived at after much consideration. DIVX may or may not equal greed, but in my mind it would be an unfortunate precedent - so my actions are based on that option. > I like circuit city.........i like capitalism. Cool. And Boycotting is a fiable form of self expression in our democratic capitalist society. I just wanted people being directed to do business with Circuit City that there might be an issue they want to become familiar with before they do business there. That's all. And BTW, this has NOTHING to do with where you buy your gas. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 17:20:59 -0500 From: Sharon Nichols Subject: The Hope Blister/This Mortal Coil The Hope Blister/This Mortal Coil The Hope Blister/This Mortal Coil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Having been mysteriously removed from the Ecto mailing list for the past month (?), perhaps I missed discussion of The Hope Blister. If that is the case, dammit, it bears repeating. For those of you who have felt the awful 4AD void, as I have, the resplendence of TMC has been resurrected. Ivo Watts-Russell's newest project, The Hope Blister's "...smile's OK," fabulously follows in the footsteps of "It'll End in Tears," "Filigree & Shadow" and "Blood." Apparently, there will be an ambient sister CD released next month. Eat it up, Coil fans. Sharon Terra Incognita ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 14:25:06 -0800 From: rlewis@adnc.com (Russ Lewis) Subject: "Mony Mony" & other sordid details > And now for the bonus question: who in the 1980s re-recorded "Mony Mony" and, more to the point, why? Billy Idol was correctly identified as the performer who had the #1 single in 1987 with "Mony Mony." "Why?" you ask? He said because it was the song he lost his virginity to. Me? I think some kind of jazz was playing. Jazz'll do it every time. Scott Tissue El Cajon CA KCR-FM (killer chick rock) live online: http://kcr.sdsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 17:22:42 -0600 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Who is this?? Unidentified singer The folks on gaffa are having an awful time trying to identify this song and singer. Perhaps Ecto can help since it's very definitely "ecto music." Who is it? I'm curious too. > The file is at: http://home.cray.com/~btd/kate-bush/unknown.wav > and remember it is 707k, so on a 28k modem it will take 4 minutes > to download. Thanks! Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:19:46 EST From: Faerymouse@aol.com Subject: Re: The Hope Blister/This Mortal CoilThe Hope Blister/This Mortal CoilThe Hop... In a message dated 2/9/99 2:21:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, terra@ulster.net writes: > For those of you who have felt the awful 4AD void, as I have, the > resplendence of TMC has been resurrected. Ivo Watts-Russell's newest > project, The Hope Blister's "...smile's OK," fabulously follows in the > footsteps of "It'll End in Tears," "Filigree & Shadow" and "Blood." > Apparently, there will be an ambient sister CD released next month. I totally agree...I *really* love "...smile's OK". This Mortal Coil has put out some of my favorite stuff, and this new project is great. I *heart* 4AD. Love Siobhan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 15:32:34 -0800 From: lanblind@teleport.com Subject: Re: ecto-digest V5 #48 HI to Anna Marie from Cyoakha Grace....I would love the Iva Bittova CD, cash or trade, as I only have a tape of her earlier work..saw her live in SF right after I moved down from Portland and was blown away. Drummer in my other Portland project BLACK ORCHID turned me onto her. I, in turn told the lead violinist in SF's THOTH, and he traveled to Europe playing experimental violin on the streets in her honor and tryed to hook up with her also while over there. So the Iva thing is passed on. I love the violin, to sing with it is like leaving the planet for me. My new SF band AZIGZA has one of the best violinists I have ever heard and I love performing with them. If you like female vocalists, I'd love to trade you some of my cds with LAND OF THE BLIND (Dead Can Dance meets Kate on Planet Zeno) or whatever you are into. Let me know and welcome to the list. I come and go on it as I tour a lot but love to catch up whenever possible. love, cy Land of the Blind 3439 NE Sandy Blvd., Suite 266 Portland, Oregon USA (503) 321-5093 email lanblind@teleport.com http://www.teleport.com/~lanblind/ Distributed through: "Out of Chaos"-- Burnside Distribution "One Eye"-- Rainforest Records ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 21:06:26 -0800 From: Bill Mazur Subject: Re: April March kerry white wrote: > > Hi, did you miss my first post about April March. I forget the name > and don't wanna go to the other room 8-) but a french guy wrote it all > and produced it. Songs were recored in different studios and I guess by > well known sessions people. bye, > > KrW "Yes, > it left a great gaping hole in the water!" Hello Everyone, FYI, I got this week's digest from Music Blvd and they had a blurb on April March. Here is a review from the site: Is it surprising that someone who calls herself "April March" comes off cutesy and contrived? Of course not. However, as kitschy pop chanteuses go, she's not so bad, chirping through a zippy batch of tunes co-written with French composer Bertrand Burgalat. Burgalat (who has also worked with Laibach and Nick Cave) is the true headliner here -- his lively, imaginative arrangements are far more notable than March's clumsy vocals, which are woefully short on the sensuality required for the genre. Another minus: She sings most of the tracks in French (yes, she's American). Not only does this add to the sense of artifice and leave her English- speaking audience out in the cold, but her vocal interpretations unavoidably become more concerned with pronunciation than emotion. This leaves the project sounding too much like a studied exercise in sub-Gainsbourg camp. It's a shame, because "Sugar" (an ominous tale of rape) and "Ideal Standard" (a look at inherited alcoholism) are anything but superficial. Even a few of the French tracks -- "Charlatan," "Superbagneres," "Mignonette," "Martine" - -- are pleasing, despite the language barrier. Still, it's rather hollow at the core, n'est-ce pas? Here's the URL if you want to check it out. Twasn't my cup o' tea. Maybe it's your's though: http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/29322103918622477_108_850820 See you later, Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:02:52 EST From: FAMarcus@aol.com Subject: Re: More of the DIVX stuff, sorry.... In a message dated 2/9/99 5:02:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, drewh@bitwise.com writes: << And BTW, this has NOTHING to do with where you buy your gas. Drew >> ahhhhhhh drew........this was a response to a reference james had made in his letter.......of which i thought was a real reason to get upset.............things died............nature was unbalanced...........that kind of stuff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 21:31:29 -0800 From: Bill Mazur Subject: Re: the Clique J Wermont wrote: > > > The band that had the hit with "Red Rubber Ball" was called "The > > Cyrkle". > > OK, then what was the hit by the Clique? I *know* there was a hit > because i remember the name (of the band, that is). > > > Anyway, this one is a CD collection of primarily 60s one hit wonders. > > There are actually some pretty cool 60s hits on it. "Red Rubber Ball" is > > one of the songs on the collection. > > What else is on it, if you don't mind listing the tracks? I have a > real fondness for obscure 60's top-40 songs (or not so obscure). > > Joyce Joyce, I think I saw a post from someone that answered your question on the Clique. As you requested, here is the track listing for the CD (actually double CD) that I mentioned. If you need more detail please let me know. Actually, this collection has hit songs from established 60s bands and 60s one hit wonders. The songs with an asterick by them are my favorites from the collection. Thanks, Bill Disk 1 You've Lost That Lovin' Feelin' - The Righteous Brothers * Monday, Monday - The Mamas and the Papas Cherish - The Association Red Rubber Ball - The Crykle Georgy Girl - The Seekers Sunday Will Never Be The Same - Spanky & Our Gang Different Drum - Stone Poneys Magic Carpet Ride - Steppenwolf * I Can't Get To You - The Temptations Vehicle - Ides of March Don't Let The Sun Catch You Crying - Gerry & The Pacemakers * Five O'Clock World - The Vogues Daydream - The Lovin' Spoonful The 59th Street Bridge Song (Feelin' Groovy) - Harper's Bizarre Get Together - The Youngbloods * Just Dropped In (To See What Condition My Condition Is In) - The First Edition Young Girl - Gary Puckett & The Union Gap These Eyes - The Guess Who * Here Comes That Rainy Day Feeling Again Disk 2 Wouldn't It Be Nice - The Beach Boys Time Won't Let Me - The Outsiders * Incense and Peppermints - Strawberry Alarm Clock * Bend Me, Shape Me - The American Breed Green Tamborine - The Lemon Pipers * Midnight Confessions - The Grass Roots * Reach Out In the Darkness - Friend and Lover Na Na Hey Hey - Steam You've Made Me So Very Happy - Blood, Sweat & Tears He Ain't Heavy He's My Brother - The Hollies * A Summer Song - Chad & Jeremy * Happy Together - The Turtles * Spooky - The Classics IV * Everyday People - Sly & The Family Stone * Aquarius/Let The Sun Shine In * Eli's Coming - Three Dog Night * Green-Eyed Lady - Sugarloaf * I Just Want to Celebrate - Rare Earth Long Cool Woman - The Hollies * ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 22:02:52 -0800 From: Bill Mazur Subject: Re: Newbie question regarding "Equipoise" Jeffrey Burka wrote: > > Bill Mazur sez: > > > I have noticed a few posts from you expressing, what appears to be mild > > irritation, at discussion matter that has come up previously in the last > > 7-1/2 years. > > Nope...if I were irritated, I wouldn't bother posting. Mostly it's just > that I know that there _is_ good material in the archives, and I'd > love to see discussion grow out of that, rather than reinventing the > wheel (heh...sounds like an outgrowth of that literature review I > had to do for my thesis). > > If anything, I'd love to see more lit-crit analysis of Happy's music > (or, for that matter, just about anyone else's), whether I'm writing > it or just reading... Jeff, Thanks! I suspected that I was off base on that one, but needed to pose the question to be sure. I now further understand your point from the original post. > I read it as a child who's dying, perhaps of a painfull illness? > Hating to be forced to stay and endure life, but at the same > time, scared of what's to come, she is at once torn between > begging to be noticed -- "How can you just turn away" -- and > worrying about what will happen in the world to come, wondering > if she, a child, will be able to handle it -- "I hope that you'll > notice how I don't glow like you" > Lyrically, I find it rather gut wrenching ("I know there's life beyond > this black embrace") but as with so many of Happy's earlier work, > it's hidden in this utterly gorgeous music. Thanks again for sharing your insights on the meaning of the lyrics on "The Chariot". I carefully reread the lyrics today while listening to it at work. You're observations on the lyrics make good sense to me. I think it was the reference to "Chariot" as in "Chariots of the Gods" and "I hope that you'll notice how I don't glow like you" and "here with you the sun is brighter than it's ever been" that gave me the impression of an alien abduction. However, I can definitely see that it may actually be a reference to God or angels. I thought that Patrick's observation about trying break free from someone else's control or shadow was also interesting. One of my favorite CDs is IQ's "Ever". I have always looked at the lyrics on that CD from many different angles, not really knowing which interpretation was actually correct. I find that intriguing and frustrating all at the same time. Bill n.p. Queen _Queen II_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 22:28:00 -0800 From: Bill Mazur Subject: Re: the Clique + trivia question jjhanson@att.net wrote: > > Charley posted: > > Who, also in the eighties, covered "I Think We're > Alone Now," another > > Tommy James and the Shondells hit? And who in the > eighties covered > > "Crimson and Clover"? > > The most common eighties version of "I Think We're > Alone Now" was done by mallrat Tiffany. I much prefer > the 1978? version by Lene Lovich. (What year did > Stateless come out?) > > And Joan Jett was responsible from the monotonous > remake of Crimson and Clover (over and over and over > and over). > > So what do I win? > > Jeff Hanson Hello All, FYI, my wife Billi pointed out to me while we were reading these posts that Beserkley Records (a S.F. Bay Area label from the 70s) artists The Rubinoos recorded a version of "I Think We're Alone Now" on their debut "The Rubinoos" that came out in 1977. Billi and I used to see The Greg Kihn Band (another Beserkley Records artist) and the Rubinoos at the local Bay Area clubs in the mid to late 70s. Jonathan Richman was also on Beserkley Records. Bill BTW I think that Billy Idol never was a virgin. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 17:50:08 +0000 From: "Tim Finney" Subject: IQ's Ever - ---------- >From: Bill Mazur >To: ecto >Subject: Re: Newbie question regarding "Equipoise" >Date: Wed, Feb 10, 1999, 6:02 AM > >One of my favorite CDs is IQ's "Ever". I have always looked at the >lyrics on that CD from many different angles, not really knowing which >interpretation was actually correct. I find that intriguing and >frustrating all at the same time. I've always wanted to get into IQ, on the basis that I love Marillion and I kept hearing how good IQ are. However, only being able to track down "Tales From The Lush Attic" and "Are You Sitting Comfortably?", I find it really hard to get very interested. The first album is like another version of "Script For A Jester's Tear" which is harder to sit through, while the other sounds like a prog album with a pop sound grafted onto it (this is different to most prog acts who go mainstream by diluting their music into AOR, rather this is actual prog with a bouncy pop sound, like Steps covering early Genesis - or maybe the other way round?). Anyway, considering I'm not too enthusiastic about those two albums, is it worth sending off for Ever or Subterranea? Tim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:46:07 -0600 From: Mark Lowry Subject: Incense and Peppermints (was re: the Clique) Oooh, I love how these threads spark old memories. Bill Mazur wrote: > Incense and Peppermints - Strawberry Alarm Clock * Great song, and I'm sure it has been covered a gazillion times. It reminded me of a CD I haven't played in ages: Adult Net's "The Honey Tangle," which has a cover of that song. Anyone know what happened to them? Mark n.p. black tape for a blue girl: as one aflame laid bare by desire (going to see 'em in Dallas next Wednesday!) ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #49 *************************