From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #46 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, February 8 1999 Volume 05 : Number 046 Today's Subjects: ----------------- it was bound to happen, I suppose.../REM for Lotus [Kay S Cleaves ] Re: DIVX = Greed ["Xenu's Sister" ] Superman ["Donald G. Keller" ] re: divx greed and the search for happiness ["Valerie Nozick" ] Re: Newbie question regarding "Equipoise" ["jeffrey c. burka" ] Re: Newbie [Patrick Moseley ] Re: CD shelf life [Tim.Cook@Swift.Com (Tim Cook)] RE: DIVX = Greed [Tim.Cook@Swift.Com (Tim Cook)] Happy touring ["Bittner, Matthew (KTR) ~U" ] Circuit City and DIVX [burp@mindspring.com (Scott Burger)] shelf life of CDs [cos@wbrs.org (Ofer Inbar)] Re: MWABT sighting [Faerymouse@aol.com] Re: DIVX = Greed ["Scott S. Zimmerman" ] Re: shelf life of CDs ["Joseph S. Zitt" ] Re: shelf life of CDs [Elephant Gerald ] Attn: radio people on ecto (was: How do you pronounce "Slean") [Steve I <] Re: La Femme Nikita [Steve I ] Susans in concert in MA, Trina Hamlin song on DC [Paul Kim ] On 3rd Bite: April March [kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white)] Re: Superman [rlewis@adnc.com (Russ Lewis)] Re: shelf life of CDs [Greg Dunn ] Re: Newbie question regarding "Equipoise" [Bill Mazur ] the Clique [J Wermont ] Re: DIVX = Greed ["Robert Lovejoy" ] Re: divx greed and the search for happiness [Bill Mazur ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 01:00:48 -0600 From: Kay S Cleaves Subject: it was bound to happen, I suppose.../REM for Lotus Hi folks-- So I just tried to order Aural G's Ambient 2 from CDNow, only to discover that AG has been deleted from their list of Record Labels, the disc is no longer available, nor are any of Happy's CD's besides MWABT. A truly sad moment. I did manage to get Ambient 1 from them earlier this week, but I went back and the second volume wasn't there. Sigh. And while we're on the subject of truly depressing things, I saw mentioned in the last digest about Lotus Notes using REM's Superman (covered by someone...) in their latest idiot box commercial. In that commercial, you can spot a friend of mine (and alum of my college) dressed up like a Middle-Eastern person (he isn't really), holding up one of those signs that says "I am." I'm not really fond of the reworked song, and seeing my pal acting so phony like that makes me wonder to what extent we will all go to to make a buck. But I may have just had a bad day today... - --Kay np. Laurie Anderson--O Superman (for Massenet) on a mix. Just had to remind myself. ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 02:15:04 EST From: FAMarcus@aol.com Subject: Re: it was bound to happen, I suppose.../REM for Lotus In a message dated 2/8/99 2:09:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, kscleaves@juno.com writes: << and seeing my pal acting so phony like that makes me wonder to what extent we will all go to to make a buck. >> thats why they call them actors...................its a profession. we all have to start somewhere little camper so buck up. someday he might win an academy award and then you can tell us you knew him when. or you can boycott him. whatever ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 23:31:59 +0000 From: Birdie Subject: Re: Koyaanisqatsi Online Thanks for this heads up. I did quality control on all the Koyaanisqatsi 35 mm prints - worldwide - and projected it's west coast premiere at The Castro Theatre in SF and supervised the LA premiere in Century City and it's opening at The Royal. I also projected it at UCLA's Royce Hall with Philip Glass and ensemble playing along live. Having said that, I hooked up with the 28kbs Real Audio Player hook-up for Mac...... Very very soft focus and/or niquist square digital artifacts and pixels and..... network congestion and did anyone see it with the high bandwidth connection? How was that? Digital is still like looking at a poor quality fax or poor quality colour xerox compared to a real letter or photo. Find it in a good theatre whenever showing in 35mm with dolby stereo. Cheers, Birdie Joseph S. Zitt wrote: > Of interest to some, from today's Zentertainment mailing: > > FILM SCOUTS and the INTERNET PROTOCOL MULTICAST > INIATITIVE have teamed up to broadcast the film KOYAANISQATSI > over the Internet, this Sunday, February 7th, at 7pm PT. > KOYAANISQATSI is directed by Godfrey Reggio and includes > a spectacular score from Philip Glass. The film will be shown > as the centerpiece of the IP MULTICAST SUMMIT, the premiere > event for on the advancement of IP MultiCast technology, in > both > high and low bandwith for the best connection. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 02:43:50 -0600 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: DIVX = Greed At 12:17 AM 2/8/99 -0500, James wrote: >A DIVX disc costs about $4.50. For this I get to watch a movie that >I've never seen before for $4.50 - a movie which I might not like or >want to watch ever again. If I got that movie on DVD, I'd pay full >price, usually well over $20.00. I just got a _Tomorrow Never Dies_ >special edition DVD for $30.00, and I probably won't watch it 5 more >times in my life. Terminator 2, Judgement Day sells for $31.00 at the >local Media Play. More and more outlets are renting DVDs nowadays. We live in a very ethnic (as opposed to yuppified) neighborhood, and the small shop down the street rents DVDs. I'm not sure about Blockbuster, but I know that Hollywood Video rents DVDs, $3.50 for a 5-day rental. There's no "either/or" DIVX or full-price DVDs here. DIVX is *not* a better alternative to renting DVDs. It's worse in every way. Btw, just out of curiousity, what do you do with those DIVX films you "buy" then decide you never want to watch again? Do they take up room on your shelf or do you throw them away? You can't give them away. You can't return them. You can't sell them. What do you do with them? >People complain about hooking up a phone line to the player. No >problem. I've had a phone line hooked to my satellite receiver for >pay-per-view for years. It's not a problem. It's part of the game. It bothers me. I don't want to play the corporate game. We have a DSS but we never get pay-per-view movies and so don't have it hooked up to the phone line. >People complain that the DIVX folks will know which DIVX discs you watch >when you watch them. That is true, but not on a realtime basis. The >player calls-in its report periodically, perhaps daily, I don't know. I >don't care. It's part of the game. I care. I don't want to play the corporate game. The thought that anyone outside my home knows what I watched when creeps me out, no matter if it's in "realtime" or not. >People complain that the DIVX folks will know which DVDs & CDs you >play. Ok, fine. I don't care. I care. I care a *LOT*. Movies, but especially CDs. I can't even imagine why someone wouldn't care about something like that. Do you not value any sort of privacy in your music and movie choices? >People complain that the format might be extended to audio CDs. Fine! >I have over 3000 CDs, about 2980 of which I don't listen to very often. >I've bought many CDs (at full price) over the years that I haven't liked >very much and don't want to listen to ever again. I'd love to have >gotten these for a mere few dollars, learned that I didn't like them, >and not paid the full price for the privilege of never listening to them >again. Have you ever heard of used CD stores? Ever heard of MP3s? >A bad side to DIVX: the DIVX discs which I have seen don't seem to >support subtitles or multiple-language audio tracks. But they do tend >to have the Dolby Digital 5.1 system as the 1 audio track they do have, >and they sound just fine in normal stereo mode, too. What do you want >for $4.50? I *want* the extras like widescreen, audio commentary, trailers, deleted scenes, production notes, whatever they offer. DIVX doesn't offer any of these things and never will, because they only want your bucks. They don't care about films. They're not movie lovers. >Sorry, guys. DIVX = Greed doesn't work for me. It may not be the BEST >idea in the world, but it deserves its chance. It doesn't deserve the >enmity that a lot of people seem to have toward it. Yes, it does. It's a greedy scheme thought up by Circuit City and a bunch of Hollywood entertainment lawyers, and they'll get the lion's share of the money from it. Other electronic stores and video rental places have no reason to carry DIVX machines or DIVX flicks, because they'd only be helping their competition by putting money in Circuit City's pockets. I can't wait to see DIVX go down in flames, which it almost certainly will. We're doing our part by buying bunches of DVDs (just the other day we bought "Dark City," "Amadeus," "All The President's Men," "Zero Effect" and "Bullitt" bringing our total up to about 50 DVDs) and renting them from the corner store and Hollywood Video as often as we can. I've also joined the Columbia House DVD Club. When (not "if") DIVX goes under, what are you going to do with those discs you have? I suppose they will go to the landfill to rot. Oh right, they don't rot, do they? Hmmm, Christmas ornaments? At least you can play your DVD of "Tomorrow Never Dies" on any DVD machine, anywhere, anytime, any place. And, Fred? Some of us care about this issue. What's the problem? I care that if American consumers are ignorant enough to embrace DIVX, the concept will infect the CD industry. Can you imagine buying a Happy CD, being able to listen to it unlimited times for 48 hours, but then, have to pay everytime you listen to it after that? That's an extreme example, but wouldn't the record companies love it and don't think they wouldn't try it. If people don't speak out against DIVX, how are potential suckers going to know the downsides? Vickie DIVX = GREED ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 06:14:03 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald G. Keller" Subject: Superman "Superman" is not an R.E.M. song. It was originally an obscure 60s (I think) single by a band I'd never heard of (and can't remember now). =Lifes Rich Pageant= credits it to (G. Zekley-M. Bottler). Great song. I doubt that the version in the commercial is the original either, but I don't know for sure. It's a pretty wimpy version. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 07:10:56 -0500 From: "Valerie Nozick" Subject: re: divx greed and the search for happiness On 2/8/99, at 1:49 AM, FAMarcus@aol.com wrote: >ok people ......can we let this guy get away with this?????? I think >not!!!!!!!!!!! first we boycott circut city.......then walmart ( cause i never >got a chance to over that cheryl crow thing) and then this guy. Wow, this thread is the nastiest thing I've ever seen on ecto. I really hope you and everyone else who responded to this person's post was joking. Let's be calm and reasonable here, folks. We're all entitled to our opinions, and no one's opinion is totally right. ==> Valerie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 08:24:25 -0500 From: Patrick Moseley Subject: Newbie question regarding "Equipoise" Hello all... As I stated in my message last week, I'm brand new to Happy's music... and I have a question or two about "Equipoise," and was hoping someone could enlighten me. First of all, there seems to be a connection between "He Will Come" and "The Flight." Does anyone know the storyline behind these songs? Or am I just imagining things? Also, has Happy ever disclosed the inspiration behind other songs on this album? I know MWABT was influenced by a film or two... I'm curious of the ideas behind the origin of "Out Like a Lamb"... and I wouldn't be surprised to hear that "Cohabitants" might've been inspired by "The Exorcist," but again this is pure conjecture. Any solid proof of what inspired these great songs? Patrick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 08:35:52 -0500 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: RE: Question from Happy Re: Progressive Festivals I've never been to one... I really don't know much about them. From what I'm gathering from these posts, though, it sounds like it'd be right up my alley. And they sound like an excellent venue to increase Happy's exposure. Re: CPR Of course I know David Crosby, what I did not know was who CPR is. I still would not know that had I not been led to Samson's web site by virtue of following Happy. Don't watch much VH1. I was never a big CSN fan, I didn't dislike them, but never liked them enough to spend money on the music. Heard it often enough on the radio or at friends places during the '70s to really not need it in house... My point was that CPR obviously does not have the household name status of say, CSN. I'd expect those that are bigger CSN fans than I (and that wouldn't take much) are more up to date with this new venture. Typical prog-rock pond scum, me, 'I know what I like' but remain blissfully ignorant of everything else around him ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 08:52:40 -0500 (EST) From: "jeffrey c. burka" Subject: Re: Newbie question regarding "Equipoise" Patrick Moseley asks: > As I stated in my message last week, I'm brand new to Happy's > music... and I have a question or two about "Equipoise," and was hoping > someone could enlighten me. First of all, there seems to be a connection > between "He Will Come" and "The Flight." Does anyone know the storyline > behind these songs? Or am I just imagining things? Ping. "He Will Come" / "The Flight" are a diptych, and in fact, Happy's only official t-shirt features a "verse" on the back which is a blend of lines from both songs. The front of the shirt has the drawing of a dove with bat wings (isn't that sketch in the _Equipoise_ liner notes?) > Also, has Happy ever disclosed the inspiration behind other songs > on this album? I know MWABT was influenced by a film or two... I'm curious > of the ideas behind the origin of "Out Like a Lamb"... and I wouldn't be > surprised to hear that "Cohabitants" might've been inspired by "The > Exorcist," but again this is pure conjecture. Any solid proof of what > inspired these great songs? "Out Like a Lamb" was written after the death of Happy's father and is a tribute to him (see? you knew there had to be a reason for that elegaic bagpipe at the end...). "Cohabitants," as I recall, was discussed in an interview in Rhodeways/Terra Incognita (the sadly defunct fanzine), and I think Happy said it was just from an idea she'd had for a short story, and not inspired by any particular outside force. jeff np: FTE, Sarah McLachlan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:27:14 -0500 From: rich.rapp@effem.com Subject: Re: MWABT sighting Glad to hear Happy's in the listening posts at Borders. I beleive I posted this before, but at Rainbow Records (now Chester County Books & Music) located in West Chester, PA, not only is Happy in the listening post, but four posters and 8 of the promo cards are on the wall. Also, they have almost ALL of Happy's CD available. (Except Rearmerment which I purchased). BTW: They put up the posters right after Happy's Phila. show at the Painted Bride and they're still up. Bet they have a fan working there... Rich Rapp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 99 10:36:04 EST From: ken@isis.ST.3Com.COM (Ken Descoteaux) Subject: Re: DIVX == laziness I have to agree with this Vickie said: > Btw, just out of curiousity, what do you do with those DIVX films you > "buy" then decide you never want to watch again? Do they take up > room on your shelf or do you throw them away? You can't give them > away. You can't return them. You can't sell them. What do you do > with them? > IMHO, this is the #1 "easiest thing to explain why DIVX is bad". DIVX is an appalling new example of the throw-away "American" lifestyle. And supposedly one of the primary reasons it was created. Circuit City wanted a piece of the "rental" market without bothering with inventory, records, or re-stocking staff. Instead of renting and returning, you "rent" and throwaway! And its not even close to being recyclable. *gag* - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:36:05 -0500 From: rich.rapp@effem.com Subject: Re: Teri Garr and Mary Fahl Kerry White said: >(I also saw Teri Garr in a TV com for an easy listening station in KC. >And so it goes.) She does an easy listening spot here in Phila. also... For B-101 I guess it's easy money.... (probably same commercial, just change the call letters) And if you want to see another person who did something semi-commercial (probably to pay the rent) check out Mary Fahl (from October Project) doing the opening song "Talk to the Animals" for the Animal Planet Network at the following url: http://www.fretlesspm.com/Sounds/MFTalktoAnimals288.ra although I put this in the same catagory as a guest appearance on Seseme Street. Rich R. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 10:55:32 -0500 From: Stuart Myerburg Subject: Re: Happy opening for Marillion/Rush/Annie/Gabriel Suzanne Cerquone wrote: > 2.) Annie Lennox: another great idea, and I think Annie would be cool > about it, but WHOA, hold yer horses!! Is Annie like, doing anything > lately, including touring? When is her next album? Please oh please say > it's soon. You guys got me excited and it better be for a reason! :) Annie has been on a pretty long hiatus. I think she has, for the most part, sworn off touring for the foreseeable future and God knows when the next album will come out. BUT she is joining Dave Stewart for a Eurythmics reunion this month at the Brit Awards, in honor of Eurythmics receiving some sort of achievement award. For those of us in the US, ABC always eventually runs highlights of the awards show, although their coverage is fairly spotty and it is unlikely we will end up seeing more than one song from the Eurythmics set. Anyway, I'm just glad to see Annie doing SOMETHING in music again. Stuart np: Upx6 - Ani DiFranco nr: Memoirs of a Geisha - Arthur Golden ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:04:49 -0500 From: Patrick Moseley Subject: Re: Teri Garr and Mary Fahl Feel free to yell at me if this has already been asked... What is Mary Fahl up to these days? Last time I saw mention of her name was on a various-artist double-CD of Celtic Christmas music this past holiday season. I didn't buy it though because one CD was entirely narration, and the price tag was close to $30 at Borders. Any plans of solo work on her part that anyone knows of? I miss October Project greatly... "I have travelled the paths of desire..." Patrick >And if you want to see another person who did something semi-commercial >(probably to pay the rent) check out Mary Fahl (from October Project) >doing the opening song "Talk to the Animals" for the Animal Planet Network >at the following url: > >http://www.fretlesspm.com/Sounds/MFTalktoAnimals288.ra > >although I put this in the same catagory as a guest appearance on Seseme >Street. > >Rich R. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:07:31 -0500 From: Patrick Moseley Subject: Re: Newbie You've definitly got my curiousity peaked... unfortunately right now for some reason I have a feeling getting my hands on the first four CDs might be easier said than done. Amazon.com is being curiously slow about filling my The Keep/Warpaint order right now, unlike past Happy orders. Hope the stock isn't running out... I'll definitely snatch up ECTO though when and if I have a chance. Patrick >i just want to point out to you patrick, not to neglect getting >ECTO. its very dark so be patient with it and play it a few times.....put it >down.......go back to it and play it again. you pretty much have the same >opinions as me on the rest of happy's stuff so i think you might like this >enormously if you give it time. > > fred ------------------------------ Date: 8 Feb 1999 14:34:15 +0000 From: Tim.Cook@Swift.Com (Tim Cook) Subject: Re: CD shelf life ______________________________________________________________________________ _ >From: dlw@sympatico.ca on 8Feb 1999 00:46 >Subject: Re: DIVX = Greed....and the world we live in >To: FAMarcus@aol.com >Cc: ecto@smoe.org >I was just reading last week about CDs. It's been discovered that they >do have a limited shelf life. Apparently oxides build up on them, and >they start to deteriorate at about the 6 year point. There are now some >that think that their quality may be about as good as audio tapes after >time has taken its toll. Six years doesn't sound very long! When I was home at Xmas I dug out my earliest CD purchase (Feargal Sharkey in 1985) and it played perfectly. tim ------------------------------ Date: 8 Feb 1999 15:00:20 +0000 From: Tim.Cook@Swift.Com (Tim Cook) Subject: RE: DIVX = Greed I can't see DIVX being around in the long term. So far its a USA only format. Because of the encryption used on DIVX discs I don't think you can export the players as they're subject to the ridiculous US export laws on encryption technology. Of course, having DIVX assumes that you have access to a telephone line which not everyone does!! While I don't *hate* DIVX and wouldn't boycott CC as a result, I can't see myself buying a DIVX player especially as it would be totally useless when I move back to the UK!! tim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:44:29 -0600 From: "Bittner, Matthew (KTR) ~U" Subject: Happy touring I realise it was a semi-serious question, but you know who I would like to see on the same bill as Happy? The Nields. That would be awesome. Actually, I just wish The Nields would come back to Omaha... :-( Matt Bittner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:57:17 -0500 From: burp@mindspring.com (Scott Burger) Subject: Circuit City and DIVX I live in Richmond, VA, where Circuit City is based. Although I appreciate the fact that corporation supplies a lot of jobs and revenue for the area, I have a lot of "issues" with them. First they have a bad rep for hiring and promotion practices. They have been successfully sued for racial discrimination. They try to sell consumers a lot of overpriced credit line/repair insurance/warranty crap. They have branched into large used car superstores that tend to drive smaller used car outlets out of business while charging relatively high prices for used cars. Their CEO is an arch-Republican asshole. DIVX is just the latest of their schemes to take power away from the consumers and try to create a monopoly. I recall another internet DIVX debate where the only guy who was arguing for DIVX was "outed" as a Circuit City employee. - -Scott P.O. Box 14738 Richmond, VA 23221 Throttle magazine: P.O. Box 250 Richmond, VA 23202 cvaweb.com/throttle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:16:30 -0500 (EST) From: cos@wbrs.org (Ofer Inbar) Subject: shelf life of CDs "Joseph S. Zitt" writes: > On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Dave Williamson wrote: > > > I was just reading last week about CDs. It's been discovered that they > > do have a limited shelf life. Apparently oxides build up on them, and > > they start to deteriorate at about the 6 year point. There are now some > > that think that their quality may be about as good as audio tapes after > > time has taken its toll. > > Hmm... I've heard this rumour for a long time. > > We have a lot of people here who have large CD collections going back a > decade or more. Has anybody here seen any evidence of this themselves? OK, this is based on rather vague memory, it's been years since I've heard / read about this. But this is what I remember: It was found, early in the CD age, that CDs did indeed oxidize and start withering after about 5 years. To deal with this problem, CD manufacturers started making CDs with a better coating that protects the CD from the air. CDs with this coating can last indefinitely, until the coating is breached and then after about 5 years they may start to die. I don't remember when this was, but it was the mid or late 80s sometime. I doubt many people here have a lot of CDs that were pressed before the new coating came into use. So, your CDs should be safe if you take care of them. If they get scratched, it may create leaks in the coating that allow air to come into contact with the disc, and then the CD will not last. Also, I've heard that writing on the CD itself with permanent marker can also break down the coating. Even if you write on the top/label side of the disc. -- Cos (Ofer Inbar) -- cos@leftbank.com cos@cs.brandeis.edu All genre ethnic diversity... 24 hours/day, 365 days/year programming... FREE live music three times weekly... WBRS in Waltham, FM 100 in stereo, your FM connection with the world. -- WBRS (100.1 FM) -- WBRS@brandeis.edu http://www.wbrs.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:23:52 EST From: Faerymouse@aol.com Subject: Re: MWABT sighting In a message dated 2/8/99 6:32:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, rich.rapp@effem.com writes: > I beleive I posted this before, but at Rainbow Records > (now Chester County Books & Music) > located in West Chester, PA, not only is Happy in the listening post, > but four posters and 8 of the promo cards are on the wall. [snip] I work at Barnes and Noble, and we do staff recs each month....so of course, I made MWABT by staff rec for February. :D Gotta reach the unenlightened masses... Love Siobhan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:40:00 -0800 (PST) From: "Scott S. Zimmerman" Subject: Re: DIVX = Greed I could see how DIVX might appeal to some people even with all of its numerous annoyance, but I don't think it is going to appeal to enough people, at least in its current state? It is rather a brilliant scheme though: The best part is when your DIVX player goes up in smoke, is completely irreparable and your entire DIVX collection therefore becomes totally worthless, since apparently an extended-life divx will only play on the player from which it was registered? Am I wrong on this? This takes the obsoleted-technology problem to its logical conclusion! So my opinion is DIVX sucks quite thoroughly and for all the reasons that have been covered. DVD, on the other hand, is quite terrific. I just wish there were more movies on it! I've only bought Zero Effect so far - maybe the most underrated movie of last year! Were only Siskel & Ebert (and Vickie, yay!) paying attention? As for the DIVX model being passed on to CDs, I think that might run into legal hurdles, since last I heard renting CDs was illegal (in the US), and I assume still is illegal since you don't see anybody doing it, barring a few individuals on the net who play by their own rules. ciao! Scott ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:16:40 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: shelf life of CDs On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Ofer Inbar wrote: > disc, and then the CD will not last. Also, I've heard that writing on > the CD itself with permanent marker can also break down the coating. > Even if you write on the top/label side of the disc. From what i recall, the top/layer side of the disc is actually closer to the aluminum, and offers less protection, than the clear underside. OTOH, if writing with permanent markers is hazardous, what is recommended for labelling CD-Rs? - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:35:21 -0800 (PST) From: Elephant Gerald Subject: Re: shelf life of CDs - ---"Joseph S. Zitt" wrote: > > From what i recall, the top/layer side of the disc is actually closer to > the aluminum, and offers less protection, than the clear underside. This is true. I knew someone once who took a jeweler's engraver and carved his name into the dorsal surface of every single one of his hundreds of CDs. They were, every single one of them, ruined. _I'd_ probly've kilt myself. - --ch _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 15:39:05 -0500 From: Steve I Subject: Attn: radio people on ecto (was: How do you pronounce "Slean") Valerie typed: >I've finally bought Sarah Slean's _Universe_ cd and really love it. What >is the correct prononciation of her last name? Does it rhyme with >"mean"? I want to play the cd on my radio show (on WPKN), and I should >at least pronounce it correctly!! I just want to thank Valerie for playing Sarah on WPKN. Also, to any of you other radio people out there, if you'd like to get a copy of Sarah's CD to preview or to play on the air or whatever, please fax or email Sarah's manager Heather Pollock and she'll be glad to send you one. (Valerie, if that's your personal copy and you'd like to get another copy for your station, I'm sure that would be fine too!). Heather Pollock What? Management fax: (416)531-5879 email: what@ican.net Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 15:39:01 -0500 From: Steve I Subject: Re: La Femme Nikita Someone typed, and Paul S responded: >>A couple of other comments/queries... we now have the TV series of Le Femme >>Nikita running. It seems to be Canadian/Australian, with Peta Wilson playing >>the title role. After initial skepticism, I've grown to like it, and they >>play quite a bit of ecto-ish music (I've head Sarah McLachlan a few times.) >>Does anybody else know it? We've also just started getting Babylon 5 (quite >>a few years late, but that's OK), which I remember people on this list >>mentioning favourably. > >I'm thinking it's Canadian as well -- it seems to get a fair bit of >advertising (station IDs and promos) up here in the great white north. :) I think it's still filmed at least partly here in Toronto, I remember a friend of mine in the film biz talking about it. No, I've never seen Ms. Wilson walking down Bloor St. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 16:43:37 -0500 From: Paul Kim Subject: Susans in concert in MA, Trina Hamlin song on DC Hi. Just want to point out that Susan McKeown is performing at Johnny D's in Cambridge on the 25th of this month. Susan Werner is playing at the Iron Horse in Northampton on the 19th of this month. Please let the weather be nice so that I can get there :) Oh, Susie Werner is also playing at the Tin Angel in Philly this friday, the 12th. You should go. If you live near there. Whitney. Umm...just got a postcard mailer from Trina Hamlin, who i missed this past saturday at the Somerville Theater because i was out with my family...apparently, one of her songs is gonna be used on Dawson's Creek this Wednesday! Very cool...watch for it :) that's it for now. back to lurking. Paul "1.21 gigawatts!" Kim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 18:28:19 -0600 From: Suzanne Cerquone Subject: DIVX FAMarcus wrote: <> Yeah, we can let him get away with it, because it's a free country. Actually, Jim Dixon had some really valid points about DIVX and gave a refreshing rebuttal to other people's anti-DIVX theories. I knew close to nada about DIVX technology before the recent discussions so thanks to both camps for the level-headed discussions. FAMarcus, your comment was not one of these. - --Suzanne <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> The Web North America web site: http://window.to/webna e-mail inquiries: WebNA@eudoramail.com <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:28:12 -0600 (CST) From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: On 3rd Bite: April March Hi, Listened thu the disc again and liked it less than the second time but more than the first. Several nice little dittys with a lot of borderline boring StereoLab wannabee stuff. Shares some of the sound of SL but none of the writing quality. Mostly light fluff. If you need innocuous ez-listening music, you'll like it. That review must have been PR from the company. bye, KrW "Yes, it left a great gaping hole in the water!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:53:54 -0800 From: rlewis@adnc.com (Russ Lewis) Subject: Re: Superman >"Superman" is not an R.E.M. song. It was originally an obscure 60s (I >think) single by a band I'd never heard of (and can't remember now). It was by a late-'60s group from Beaumont, Texas, called the Clique. It was only released on an album. I usta have that LP too, till I loaned it to the wrong person. >I doubt that the version in the commercial is the original either, but I >don't know for sure. It's a pretty wimpy version. Heck, I don't watch TV, so I've never seen this commercial. I like the original version better myself. Scott Tissue El Cajon CA KCR-FM (killer chick rock) live online: http://kcr.sdsu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:56:50 -0500 From: Greg Dunn Subject: Re: shelf life of CDs > Also, I've heard that writing on >the CD itself with permanent marker can also break down the coating. >Even if you write on the top/label side of the disc. True. It's not clear to me which types of marking pens do this, but at least some of them will dissolve the extremely thin top coating on the CD. And, BTW, since the artwork/top coating is thinner and therefore closer to the aluminum substrate than the lower (play) surface, solvents and scratches on the top are much more likely to damage the disc than if they were applied to the lower surface. There are "CD-safe" pens for writing on CDRs and regular CDs, but I am reluctant to recommend a particular brand without some confirmation other than the word-of-mouth I have acquired locally. :-) - -- | Greg Dunn | "god money's not looking for the | | gregdunn@indy.net | cure. god money's not concerned | | GregDunn@aol.com | with the sick among the pure." | | http://www.indy.net/~gregdunn/ | Trent Reznor | ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 19:06:46 -0800 From: Bill Mazur Subject: Re: Newbie question regarding "Equipoise" > Hello all... > > As I stated in my message last week, I'm brand new to Happy's > music... and I have a question or two about "Equipoise," and was hoping > someone could enlighten me. First of all, there seems to be a connection > between "He Will Come" and "The Flight." Does anyone know the storyline > behind these songs? Or am I just imagining things? > > Also, has Happy ever disclosed the inspiration behind other > songs on this album? I know MWABT was influenced by a film or two... I'm > curious of the ideas behind the origin of "Out Like a Lamb"... and I wouldn't be > surprised to hear that "Cohabitants" might've been inspired by "The > Exorcist," but again this is pure conjecture. Any solid proof of what > inspired these great songs? > > Patrick Patrick, Thanks for opening the doors on some Happy lyric questions. I too would like to understand where Happy is comimg from in some of her lyrics, which are very intriguing to me. Perhaps we will both receive some answers from the rest of the Ectophiles on these questions once the DVD vs DIVX discussion calms down. JK folks. ;-) BTW, I did see Jeff's response to you. Thanks Jeff! I would be interested to hear anyone's thoughts on what "The Chariot" and "RA Is A Busy God" are about. Thanks, Bill ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:22:32 -0800 (PST) From: J Wermont Subject: the Clique >> "Superman" is not an R.E.M. song. It was originally an obscure 60s (I >> think) single by a band I'd never heard of (and can't remember now). > > It was by a late-'60s group from Beaumont, Texas, called the Clique. It > was only released on an album. I usta have that LP too, till I loaned it > to the wrong person. Is this the band that had the hit "Red Rubber Ball?" Or am I thinking of another group? I used to have that 45 (note for under-30's: a "45" means a 7" :)) - in fact I'm sure I still have it stored in a box somewhere, with about 200 other 45s that might be worth money if I'd kept them in decent condition. My turntable broke years ago and I haven't bothered to get it fixed, so I haven't listened to them for a long time. Joyce ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 22:31:07 -0500 From: "Robert Lovejoy" Subject: Re: DIVX = Greed Jim Dixon writes: >A bad side to DIVX: the DIVX discs which I have seen don't seem to >support subtitles or multiple-language audio tracks... Their worst offense for me is the exclusion of letterbox. It's important for me to see a film in its original aspect ratio. I was OK with Pan and Scan (the process of selecting the part of the frame that fits into the television screen) until I saw Henson's The Dark Crystal in letterbox, and realized how much I was missing. Films like Braveheart and Little Buddha were also much more impressive, but I digress. The point is, for some of us DIVX is way too limited. Compared to what DVD is capable of providing, DIVX just doesn't have the chops. Bob Lovejoy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 19:40:18 -0800 From: Bill Mazur Subject: Re: divx greed and the search for happiness Valerie Nozick wrote: > > On 2/8/99, at 1:49 AM, FAMarcus@aol.com wrote: > > >ok people ......can we let this guy get away with this?????? I think > >not!!!!!!!!!!! first we boycott circut city.......then walmart ( cause i never > >got a chance to over that cheryl crow thing) and then this guy. > > Wow, this thread is the nastiest thing I've ever seen on ecto. I really hope you and everyone else who responded to this person's post was joking. Let's be calm and reasonable here, folks. We're all entitled to our opinions, and no one's opinion is totally right. > > ==> Valerie Hello Everyone, I'm beginning to agree with Valerie that this discussion is starting to get a little heated. My brother has been keeping me informed on this whole controversy for the past few months. It has been raging in other parts of the net. It definitely takes on the tone of religious fervor. I do agree with Suzanne though that, on the whole, the discussion has been relatively level-headed. I too appreciate hearing both sides of the debate. I think that Jim did make some valid points. I don't necessarily agree with them, but his points do have merit. I will state that I am in the DVD camp for several of the reasons that Vickie and others have stated: 1) I don't want to see CDs or other media be marketed in this same manner. I don't like the precedent it sets. 2) I would prefer to know what I'm watching is not being monitored by some company that wants to market to me based on my taste in movies. It's my own business to let people that I choose to know what my tastes might be. I don't want to have it extracted from me in this manner. I am already inundated with junk mail as it is. 3) The recycling issue. One reason I like Ecto so much is because of this credo: Basically, nothing is off-topic here except for flames (long-time members can still count on one hand the number of flamewars that have occurred on the list in the past 7 years), and the list maintains one of the highest signal-to-noise ratios on the Net. I honestly don't think this has escalated into a flame war yet. What do you all think? One last thing: I don't think that Fred was serious with his statement, but I could be wrong. Peace and Love, Bill ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #46 *************************