From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #13 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, January 9 1999 Volume 05 : Number 013 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Veda Hille Live CDR B&P Trade Offer. (7-Dec-98 Coco Club, SF, CA) ["Drew ] RE: various ["Bridges, Martin" ] Now playing... ["Xenu's Sister" ] Boy o Boy ["Xenu's Sister" ] Correction ["Donald G. Keller" ] Now playing... ["Xenu's Sister" ] Re: various [neal copperman ] deborah conway/neil finn ["Heidi Maier" ] Re: Correction ["Xenu's Sister" ] Jen Trynin bad news ["Spencer Lewis" ] Re: deborah conway/neil finn [Michael Colford ] RE: Correction ["Foghorn J Fornorn" ] RE: Correction ["Xenu's Sister" ] 1998 Favorites [Patrick Varker ] Sarah Slean [Steve I ] Re: 1998 Favorites ["Xenu's Sister" ] Re: deborah conway/neil finn [Sherlyn Koo ] Re: Webcast reminder [Michael Curry ] Re: Webcast reminder [meredith ] various, again [meredith ] Re: Jen Trynin bad news [Philip David Morgan ] My blabbing is moving to ecto-announce, (I hear some yays!) ["Xenu's Sist] Aimee Mann Info ["Spencer Lewis" ] Playing next (10:00pm CST) ["Xenu's Sister" ] CD Length ["Foghorn J Fornorn" ] Re: CD Length [Greg Dunn ] Slapp Happy ["Mike Weis" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 03:00:04 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************** Tony Garrity (tonyg@sco.com) *********************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Tony Garrity Mon January 08 1962 Pool of Life Greg Bossert Tue January 09 1962 OfTheTimes Troy J. Shadbolt Thu January 14 1971 Capricorn Chris Sampson Wed January 15 1964 Void where prohibited Dennis G Parslow Fri January 17 1964 ...of the Saint Ross Alford Thu January 17 1957 Positive Nancy Whitney Mon January 19 1959 slippery when wet Sarah Noelle Pratt Ferguson Tue January 20 1970 Seanympf-Aquarius Terry Partis Sun January 22 1933 Rocker Sarah McLachlan Sun January 28 1968 Aquarius Ilka Heber Mon February 01 1965 Mermaid Bob Lovejoy Sun February 02 1947 Aquarius Diane Burke Sat February 02 1963 slow children Timothy S. Devine Tue February 03 1970 Aquarius Stephen Thomas Fri February 04 1966 Aquarius - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 01:17:58 -0800 From: "Drew Harrington" Subject: Veda Hille Live CDR B&P Trade Offer. (7-Dec-98 Coco Club, SF, CA) Hey All, I've got a pretty good recording of a recent Veda show in SF that I thought I'd share with anyone who wants one. Veda Hille and her Skilled, Devoted, and Hansome Band 7-Dec-98 Coco Club, SF, CA This is on two CDRs and includes the full set and encore along with the opening act, Sister Spit. Disk 1: (Veda and Band) 71 Minutes. Boy In Woods, Small, Snake, Woo / Titles, Ind / Skid, Three, Sweet, Strange Sad, With No Caring, Greenery, Bellyfish, Seasoned, Hearts / 15 Years, Noah, River, 26 Years Disk 2: (Veda and Band / Sister Spit) 62 Minutes. Sumberqueen, (Encore) Instructions, And Birds. Sister Spit: Sini Anderson: Day 82, Shit State, The Second Before Flushing, It's A Good Day, Quicksand Honeymoon, Sweat And Hands; Zon: Unknown, Unknown; Marci Blackman: The Cherry Choke Tree; Michelle Tea: The Chelsea Whistle Sister Spit is a loose group of women Poets and Writers who read their work. EXPLICIT LYRIC WARNING. SOME COULD FIND THIS OFFENSIVE - Although I love it, and I think everyone at the show did as well. The CDRs are from an audience DAT tape I made. The audience was in rare form. Veda even commented on it. This tape is not quite as nice as the last Scrappy Bitches tape, but is very listenable. I think you'll like it. ____ If you'd like a copy ____ I will make copies for anyone who wants one. Send me a pair of CDR blanks along with a SASE for their return. I have plenty of Priority Mail boxes, so if you include a priority mail ($3) stamp, you don't need to include a mailing envelope - but please include an address label. Sorry, but I feel very uncomfortable accepting "cash equivalent" for the blanks and postage. You really need to send me blanks. Please email me to let me know to look for the blanks. Include your return address in your email. Drew Harrington 735 'B' Homer Avenue Palo Alto, CA 94301 drewh@bitwise.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 09:17:57 -0000 From: "Bridges, Martin" Subject: RE: various meth sez: > Radio Free Ecto - Steve, I think that's a wonderful name for > it! I've been > bugging woj to figure out a way to hook up our stereo to our > desktop so I > can contribute to the mix. We've already proven we can stream out to > Jeff's reflector at smoe from here. Not only do I have a > bunch of blasts > from the past from my own late, lamented radio show, but I'd > like to play > some of the new artists whose names have been bandied about > here lately. > One of the most common comments I hear from folks off-list is > that there's > only so much a written description can do - for people who don't have > access to sound bytes or listening stations, this might be > the only way for > them to figure out whether or not the people we're raving > about here are > for them or not. This could be a really valuable service for > that sort of > thing! > Hear hear! Even as someone who travels fairly regularly to the US, a lot of the artists mentioned on here aren't available in the big mainstream record stores I get to visit, so I never get to hear some of the recommendations. If this could be got to work I would be a happy bunny! Cheers, Martin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 03:37:42 -0600 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Now playing... 3:35am CST A Critter show. No playlist because I'm writing it down as I'm listening, so I can play the show at some other time, *with* a playlist. Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 03:47:43 -0600 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Boy o Boy 10 years after the fact I can get mad at a "DJ who doesn't back-announce" even though that person is me! I played something really cool and didn't say what it was. It's funny to hear these shows without playlists because, since it's been a decade since I did this show, I have no idea what's coming up next. It's an interesting perspective, especially when I can't even identify what it was I played! Anyway, Jeff's server is at: http://jeffww.ne.mediaone.net:8000 Vickie np: Karen Mantler - My Cat Arnold ____________________________ http://www.smoe.org/~vickie/sig/ Suspended In Gaffa playlists ____________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 06:13:02 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald G. Keller" Subject: Correction A very tiny correction to one of Vickie's playlists: it's "Das Lied von der Moldau" (The Song of....) from Dagmar Krause's Weill/Eisler record =Supply and Demand=. (I pulled out my copy because I didn't remember that she'd done "Kannonen Song" from =Threepenny Opera= as well. My own favorite on that album--where I heard it first--is "Matrosen-Tango" from =Happy End=, whose full German title can be translated into English "What The Sailors Sang.") I had been familiar with Dagmar since her Henry Cow/Slapp Happy days (very important European art rock bands), but had thoroughly disliked her voice; last year, when I went on my several-months-long Kurt Weill binge, =Supply and Demand= was one of the first things I picked up, and I discovered that my ears had made peace with Dagmar's singing. It's a fine album (and now I can enjoy Art Bears as well. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 09:09:45 -0600 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Now playing... Suspended In Gaffa #94 (Gaffa In My Soul) December 23, 1989 Then: Suspended In Gaffa #95 (Some Favorite Artists of the 80's) December 30, 1989 Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 00:09:20 -0700 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: various At 11:17 PM -0500 1/7/99, Jeffrey C. Burka wrote: >> >_Peter and Wendy_ is a soundtrack to a puppet show. >> >> You haven't seen the play, have you? > > No. Don't put Jeff, it's quite unbecoming. Just go get your plane tix and join the rest of us who are going to see it in Berkeley next month. neal np: Bob Dylan - "Royal ALbert Hall" bootleg, disc 1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 01:38:39 +1100 From: "Heidi Maier" Subject: deborah conway/neil finn michael wrote: << 04) Deborah Conway - My Third Husband. My Third Husband is Conway's third solo album after spending time as lead vocalist of the Australian band, Do Re Mi. Many thanks go out to dear friend and fellow ectophile, Sue Fechner for supplying me with Conway's albums! This album really shows a maturity that her first two were building toward. Conway explores sampled rhythms a la Portishead and really takes her music in new directions. Her vocals prowl over the lyrics with a hypnotic menace and sensuality. The first single, "Only the Bones (Will Show)" is chilling and thrilling. >> *sensational!* ... how thrilling to see that deborah's music is crossing geographical boundaries! she is a great performer -- both on record and live (she did some amazing shows whilst touring in support of MTH). if anybody is interested, skip on over the mark o'meara's most excellent deb website (he also runs the bitch list -- come join! *plugplug*) at: http://www.deborahconway.com it's an unofficial site, but deb supports it fully, and is exceedingly kind to we bitch listers, i must say! :) michael, if you click on: http://www.deborahconway.com/newgigs.html there's real-video footage of deb performing at the mushroom records 25th anniversary bash in melbourne last year ... very handy considering when they televised the concert, they conveniently left her out. (the word 'losers' comes to mind in reference to whomever programmed the tv edit!). also cool to see mention of neil finn - i had the pleasure of seeing the first show of his australian tour last year and what can i say? magical! kindest wishes, heidi. - --- " ... through the window i see no star something more near though deeper within darkness is entering the loneliness ... ". *in memory of ted hughes 1930 - 1998* heidi maier e-mail: toys@fan.net.au ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 10:08:04 -0600 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: Correction At 06:13 AM 1/8/99 -0500, Donald G. Keller wrote: >A very tiny correction to one of Vickie's playlists: it's "Das Lied von >der Moldau" (The Song of....) from Dagmar Krause's Weill/Eisler record >=Supply and Demand=. (I pulled out my copy because I didn't remember that >she'd done "Kannonen Song" from =Threepenny Opera= as well. My own >favorite on that album--where I heard it first--is "Matrosen-Tango" from >=Happy End=, whose full German title can be translated into English "What >The Sailors Sang.") I had been familiar with Dagmar since her Henry >Cow/Slapp Happy days (very important European art rock bands), but had >thoroughly disliked her voice; last year, when I went on my >several-months-long Kurt Weill binge, =Supply and Demand= was one of the >first things I picked up, and I discovered that my ears had made peace >with Dagmar's singing. It's a fine album (and now I can enjoy Art Bears >as well. Thank you Don, I've made the correction. I used to write my playlists down in a large loose-leaf binder, and I haven't looked at some of these pages for 10 years. I'm already finding out that pages are missing and I'm having to listen to the shows to write down a playlist, plus that I sometimes didn't write down songs, misspelled in my hurry, all sorts of things. A few times I've gone back to my CDs and LPs to double check, but I didn't with Dagmar. I appreciate all corrections and additional info from everyone. Dagmar is wonderful, isn't she? I also love Henry Cow/Slapp Happy & the Art Bears, but I love her Weill/Brecht/Eisler stage best. What is she doing now, do you know? Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 11:52:29 +0000 From: "Spencer Lewis" Subject: Jen Trynin bad news The following is a post that Jen Trynin made on her message board last week. IT IS ABSOLUTELY DISCUSTING WHAT CORPORATE LABELS ARE DOING TO MUSIC. AIMEE MANN IS GOING THROUGH THE SAME THING. SL - ---------- From: Aimee Mann listproc To: Aimee Mann listproc Subject: MANNLIST digest 340 Date: Fri, Jan 8, 1999, 12:00 PM Dear people who write to me here: Thanks for your continued support and interest. I do check in here from time to time. Warner Bros. and I no longer work together. As "breakups" go, it was a positive one. The company is undergoing a major restructuring, as is the basic state of the music industry as a whole. I wish them all luck. This seems to be becoming one of those times when rock music is no longer in vogue. Because of that, you rock music fans may have to dig a whole lot deeper to find that kind of music. Be aware that many of your favorite bands may return to indie status and the best thing you can do for them is to work harder at trying to find their music and BUY IT!!! As for me, I'm taking some time off from the professional music business. I've been taking some classes around where I live and am thoroughly enjoying it.... which is strange since I despised school the first time around. As for a "third" record, if/when my inspiration returns, I hope to make one. As far as anyone hearing it, we'll have to see..... the internet seems to be becoming a great way to distribute music. Maybe I'll rekindle my Squint Records label and buy a CD burner and sell CDs myself through the mail. Ahh yes, a plan. Now all I need to do is create some music that doesn't suck — always a challenge to which I only sometimes rise. Thanks again. Happy New Year. And please feel free to write to me at SquintRec@aol.com. Jen T. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 11:50:30 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Colford Subject: Re: deborah conway/neil finn On Sat, 9 Jan 1999, Heidi Maier wrote: > *sensational!* ... how thrilling to see that deborah's music is crossing > geographical boundaries! she is a great performer -- both on record and > live (she did some amazing shows whilst touring in support of MTH). I would love someday to see Deborah live. I have an old video of Do Re Mi performing during LIVE AID in Australia. Pretty wild. She's so intense, I would imagine her live performances would be great. > if anybody is interested, skip on over the mark o'meara's most excellent > deb website (he also runs the bitch list -- come join! *plugplug*) at: I think Mark has done a great job with Deb's website. I wrote something on the message board months ago, and he immediately sent me an e-mail. Very nice. > michael, if you click on: > > http://www.deborahconway.com/newgigs.html > > there's real-video footage of deb performing at the mushroom records 25th > anniversary bash in melbourne last year ... very handy considering when > they televised the concert, they conveniently left her out. (the word > 'losers' comes to mind in reference to whomever programmed the tv edit!). Cool! I will go check it out! Thanks Heidi! Look for me on the Bitch list. I think I'll join. Michael n.p. Deborah Conway - My Third Husband - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Colford | Reading Public Library Head of Technical Services | Reading, Massachusetts colford@noblenet.org | *North of Boston Library Exchange* - -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 12:44:56 -0500 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: RE: Correction Dagmar is wonderful, isn't she? I also love Henry Cow/Slapp Happy & the Art Bears, but I love her Weill/Brecht/Eisler stage best. What is she doing now, do you know? A friend of mine lent me Ça Va, a new (1998) Slapp Happy release, with Dagmar, Peter Blegvad and Anthony Moore. Haven't listened to it yet, I can report more later if desired... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 12:05:30 -0600 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: RE: Correction At 12:44 PM 1/8/99 -0500, Foghorn J Fornorn wrote: >Dagmar is wonderful, isn't she? I also love Henry Cow/Slapp Happy & the Art >Bears, but I love her Weill/Brecht/Eisler stage best. What is she doing now, >do you know? > >A friend of mine lent me Ça Va, a new (1998) Slapp Happy release, with >Dagmar, Peter Blegvad and Anthony Moore. Haven't listened to it yet, I can >report more later if desired... Yes! Please! Thank you! Vickie ____________________________ http://www.smoe.org/~vickie/sig/ Suspended In Gaffa playlists ____________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 13:33:05 -0500 (EST) From: Patrick Varker Subject: 1998 Favorites I've agonized over these for the last week or so ......... Favorites of 1998 (in no particular order) Patty Griffin...Flaming Red (definitely my #1 of the year) Happy Rhodes...Many Worlds Are Born Tonight Tori Amos...From The Choirgirl Hotel Eliza Carthy...Red Rice Neil Finn...Try Whistling This Catatonia...International Velvet Sinead Lohan...No Mermaid Gillian Welch...Hell Among The Yearlings Garbage...Version 2.0 John Lennon Anthology Honorable Mentions... Imogen Heap...I Megaphone Alison Moorer...Alabama Song Liz Phair...Whitechocolatespaceegg Cowboy Junkies...Miles From Our Home P.J.Harvey...Is This Desire Emmylou Harris...Spyboy Hole...Celebrity Skin Kristin Hirsh...Strange Angels Best live shows... Bjork...Capitol Ballroom May 15 Gillian Welch...Cats Cradle Oct. 4 Garbage...The Ritz Oct. 24 Dar Williams...Artscenter Jan. 9 Neil Finn...9:30 Club July 26 Kristin Hirsh...Cats Cradle May 19 Tori Amos...Palace Theater Nov. 29 Susan McKeown...Skylight Exchange Feb. 12 Sinead Lohan...Artscenter Sept. 28 Jonatha Brook(acoustic)...Cats Cradle Nov. 6 Dissapointments... Heather Nova...Siren Jewel...Spirit Vanessa Mae...Storm Sheryl Crow...The Globe Sessions Linda Ronstadt...We Ran Legacy-Tribute To Fleetwood Mac's Rumours Lilith Fair-A Celebration Of Women Natalie Merchant...Ophelia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 15:38:14 -0500 From: Steve I Subject: Sarah Slean Hi folks, it warms my heart to see Sarah Slean on so many of your year-end top 10 lists. Don Keller's incredible review from yesterday was especially memorable. For those of you who haven't discovered Sarah yet, you can find out more about her at the Ectophile's guide: http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide/guide.cgi?alpha/s/slean.sarah Or go straight to Sarah's site: http://www.sarahslean.com If you'd like to get a copy of Sarah's CD, there are several options: 1. You can order it online from IndiePool: http://www.indiepool.com/sarahslean/index.html 2. You can get it direct from Sarah: http://www.sarahslean.com/ssmerch.htm 3. You can get it from me, I still have two copies left. - ---------- Also, as some of you know, Sarah will soon be releasing a full length independent album (after it has run its course, Sarah will start working on her Warner Canada/Atlantic debut). Also I will soon be getting a song from the new CD to go onto the website, if all goes well, it will be a complete CD quality MP3 song. It'll be a special sneak preview of the new disc. I'll keep you all updated on Sarah's activities! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 15:38:31 -0600 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: 1998 Favorites At 01:33 PM 1/8/99 -0500, Patrick Varker wrote: > >Catatonia...International Velvet This is a group that I wish people would talk about more. I don't have this album and I'm very curious. Vickie np: "New" Releases - September 16, 1989 All SiG talk has been moved to ecto-announce. Point WinAmp to: http://www2.smoe.org:8000 ____________________________ http://www.smoe.org/~vickie/sig/ Suspended In Gaffa playlists ____________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Jan 1999 08:44:57 +1100 From: Sherlyn Koo Subject: Re: deborah conway/neil finn Hey folks, Michael said: >I would love someday to see Deborah live. I have an old video of >Do Re Mi performing during LIVE AID in Australia. Pretty wild. >She's so intense, I would imagine her live performances would be >great. Heehee... I saw Deborah play here in Sydney right after the release of "My Third Husband". She was about eight months pregnant at the time so it was fairly sedate - but very, very good... :) sherlyn (up way too early on a Saturday for her own good) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-= a+e=ig Sherlyn Koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au [Sydney, Australia] "Have you ever had life pour in like sunlight through the window? Have you ever had love pour down like summer in the rain? Have you ever had justice come and settle in your corner? Well if you never have, it will happen one day." - Susan Werner ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 16:20:42 -0500 From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: Webcast reminder At 11:02 PM 1/7/99 -0500, meredith wrote: >Hi! > >Just a reminder that the webcast of Veda's show at the Mercury Lounge last >November 19th will be at liveconcerts.com tomorrow night, 1/8 at 9 pm EST. >Don't forget to tune in! (N.B. to the ectophiles: Listen especially if you >haven't heard Veda's music before. She is definitely best experienced in >live performance, and the band was really hot that night.) According to the lastest at liveconcerts.com the time is actually TODAY 6:30 pm PST (9:30 pm EST/ 02:30 GMT) Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 18:49:39 -0500 From: meredith Subject: Re: Webcast reminder Hi! Mike corrected: > According to the lastest at liveconcerts.com the time is actually > > TODAY > 6:30 pm PST > (9:30 pm EST/ 02:30 GMT) Eeep, they changed it! Thanks for the info, Mike. At least it's later instead of earlier. :) +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 19:21:28 -0500 From: meredith Subject: various, again Hi! My belated new year's resolution is to start listening to music in the car again. It seems to be the only chance I get lately to *really* listen to stuff. On long trips that's never an issue, but on my way to and from work I've only been listening to the radio, and the news has been so depressing lately (I mean, even more so than usual) that I just can't deal with Morning Edition and All Things Considered any more. Ignorance can be bliss. Anyway, so today it was Sarah Slean. And I realized that the very song that Don was waxing so orgasmic about yesterday is the only one on the disc that does absolutely nothing for me whatsoever. Go figure. :) Anything would be a letdown after "Weight", and I think that's what it suffers from. My oh my, but how that girl has talent. Yow. I can't wait for her full-length album!!! (Steve, do you know if she's ever going to get back to New York to play? Or do I have to plan a trip to Toronto?) Fog posted: >But what really impressed me was when I >put it in the player and watched the total time display: 80:30. That is, as >far as I can recollect, the longest single CD in my collection. Wow - I thought the upper limit was 72 minutes??? Do the Vapors not have any high-end tones for you to miss, or something? Or has the compression technology just gotten better? Vickie commented: >It's >funny to hear these shows without playlists >because, since it's been a decade since I >did this show, I have no idea what's coming >up next. It's an interesting perspective, >especially when I can't even identify what >it was I played! Heh. One night last summer woj put on one of my old Champagne Jam tapes. I didn't know what he was listening to, and I came into the room and listened for a while and thought "wow, whoever made this mix tape rules!" Then I heard myself starting to back announce. :} It's funny - I used to listen to those tapes all the time when I was doing my show, and I got so I could hear my voice on tape without cringing, but I'm definitely back on square one when it comes to that now. Yipe. I wonder ... since Shoutcast allows streaming audio without the expense of a Real Audio server, will this mean that radio stations can get on the Web faster and easier now? I'm thinking about stations like WPKN and WFUV, who dearly want to broadcast over the Internet but just haven't been able to swing it financially. Think of the possibilities... +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 20:25:49 -0500 From: Philip David Morgan Subject: Re: Jen Trynin bad news Good Evening, and thank you, Spencer: > IT IS ABSOLUTELY DISCUSTING WHAT CORPORATE LABELS ARE DOING TO MUSIC. AIMEE > MANN IS GOING THROUGH THE SAME THING. ...and to Jennifer Trynin, who knows things all too well... > ...Warner Bros. and I no longer work together. As "breakups" go, it was a > positive one. The company is undergoing a major restructuring, as is the basic > state of the music industry as a whole. I wish them all luck. Universal is doing the same thing to the carcus of what used to be known as PolyGram. There both musicians and "underlings" are facing what I faced in the insurance business: the your - services - are - no - longer - required era. Whatever kind of luck they deserve, of course.... :^{ Back to Ms. Trynin's message: > This seems to be becoming one of those times when rock music is no longer in > vogue. Because of that, you rock music fans may have to dig a whole lot deeper > to find that kind of music. Be aware that many of your favorite bands may > return to indie status and the best thing you can do for them is to work > harder at trying to find their music and BUY IT!!! Some of us already are. On Long Island, it's an indie thing now. That flies in the face of the fact that our biggest radio station (WALK-FM), sadly, is Chancellor-owned and run. A survey chart - done last March by TimesMirror's _Newsday_ and Hofstra University (Hempstead, Long Island, New York) offers a sad tale of the tail end: the vast majority of Long Islanders choose "pop" music stations over any other kind, and you can bet those stations of choice are Chancellor, Cox, or Barnstable-run. (NPR stations, here mired in classical/highbrow attitudes, PRI's _Echoes_ notwithstanding, got a dismal 4.2% rating in the survey. Apparently, Happy Rhodes remains, to those unawares, an "acquired taste.") For those of us seeking life beyond Céline Dion, you gotta get out there and track it down. Indie shops, the Internet (Ecto included), and whatever help the _Long Island Voice_ (http://www.livoice.com/) and _Newsday_ (http://www.newsday.com/) can provide, become essentials. WALK simply is in no mood whatsoever to reach out to its own neighbors, even or especially if Sony or Time Warner say no, too. All of us, of course, can only do so much. For me, it's supporting those musicians who actually know me by name (Janice Buckner, Nylon & Steel, Jill "Turtlehead" Decker, Tim Atwell, Sisters of the Mona Lisa, Moon Pearls, Kenn Morr), and collaborating on a UU anthem with two others (Peter Winker and his spouse Dorothea Cook). It means going back to the neighborhood - getting back to where you once belonged and can belong again - and making a committment to _staying_ there. > As for me, I'm taking some time off from the professional music business. I've > been taking some classes around where I live and > am thoroughly enjoying it.... which is strange since I despised school the > first time around. Good for you, Jennifer. That's the spirit. Looking for the open door. (I just got sworn as a Federal employee, something I thought I'd never do until now. Now I too am looking forward, not backward.) > As for a "third" record, if/when my inspiration returns, I hope to make one. > As far as anyone hearing it, we'll have to see..... the internet seems to be > becoming a great way to distribute music. Maybe I'll rekindle my Squint > Records label and buy a CD burner and sell CDs myself through the mail. Ahh > yes, a plan... You and me both... I'm retooling my PC (slowly) to start a small indie community recording label (Tomodachi, the Japanese word for "friend")... should be up and running by the Fall...For the musicians I know and love. Quoting Charles Lindbergh: "The important thing is to start: To lay a plan, and then follow it step by step, no matter how small or large each one by itself may seem." Let's go. I hope Ms. Trynin will share her news with us Ecto-goers (after joining us first...?). Philip David 1/8/1999 - -- http://dianewolkstein.com/ - -- "I have studied many philosophers and many cats. The wisdom of cats is infinitely superior." - -Hippolyte Taine. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 10:24:51 -0600 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: My blabbing is moving to ecto-announce, (I hear some yays!) Well, I knew it would happen sooner or later, and better sooner to avoid unsubscribes or built-up frustrations. I received a complaint in e-mail and one complaint is one too many, so I'm moving all my Shoutcasts posts, which will include Now Playing, shut downs, problems, playlists, everything, to ecto-announce. If anyone on Ecto loose mail wants to keep up with what's going on, subscribe to ecto-announce. Mail to majordomo@smoe.org and type 'subscribe ecto-announce' You'll get 2 e-mails immediately. One is a confirmation that you've joined, another is a confirmation that you MUST reply to in order to be subscribed. The rigamarole is to keep out bogus addresses. When you've sent back that reply, you'll get another confirmation and will be subscribed to the ecto-announce list. Vickie ____________________________ http://www.smoe.org/~vickie/sig/ Suspended In Gaffa playlists ____________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 22:44:12 +0000 From: "Spencer Lewis" Subject: Aimee Mann Info For those of you who are fans: > Hi, thanks for writing. > > Aimee is currently in the studio working on her next record. It will be > out in the spring of 1999 and a tour in support of the record will > follow. We will keep you updated as release dates come up and tours > develop. > > Unfortunately Aimee cannot answer all of your mail directly. But your > mail WILL be read and it is greatly appreciated. > > Thanks again for writing. > Take care, > Aimee and Michael > > > If you're interested in getting more info on Aimee Mann please read ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Jan 1999 21:54:56 -0600 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Playing next (10:00pm CST) Suspended In Gaffa #102 (Black History Pt. 1) February 17, 1990 Then: Suspended In Gaffa #103 (Black History Pt. 2) - February 24, 1990 Vickie Point WinAmp to: http://www2.smoe.org:8000 ____________________________ http://www.smoe.org/~vickie/sig/ Suspended In Gaffa playlists ____________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:22:25 -0500 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: CD Length Meredith queried: Wow - I thought the upper limit was 72 minutes??? Do the Vapors not have any high-end tones for you to miss, or something? Or has the compression technology just gotten better? I have seen 78 minutes and change, but that had been the max til this. Recordable CDRs are sold as 74 minute capacity. I have heard of, but have not seen, 80 minute CDRs. I had figured 80 minutes was the absolute tops. Vaporized, as I said, exceeds that. I had to look at it close to see if they hadn't run off the edge and started recording on the label side . I don't think any compression is used in audio CDs. What you get is fixed based on 44,100 16-bit samples per second. As such, I have no explanation for how this disc was done. BTW, it sounds great, no problems with it. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Jan 1999 23:56:28 -0500 From: Greg Dunn Subject: Re: CD Length >I don't think any compression is used in audio CDs. What you get is fixed >based on 44,100 16-bit samples per second. As such, I have no explanation >for how this disc was done. Nope, no compression. But by pushing the spiral track very close together, making the recorded pit size as small as possible (all within the Red Book audio spec) you can increase the amount of data on a CD to somewhere near 85 minutes. If the new blue lasers start coming into production, we might be able to increase even that limit, by using smaller pits and closer spacing of the spiral. CDRs, of course, have a pre-manufactured spiral of fixed length. I've seen 74 and 80-minute CDRs, but often the manufacturer crowds the track a little and you end up with more data space. The last 74-minute CDR I burned had room for over 75 minutes of data. I used 74 minutes, 30 seconds of it. :-) - -- | Greg Dunn | A fatal attraction, holding me | | gregdunn@indy.net | fast... how can I escape this | | GregDunn@aol.com | irresistible grasp? | | http://www.indy.net/~gregdunn/ | Pink Floyd | ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Jan 1999 00:20:07 -0500 From: "Mike Weis" Subject: Slapp Happy I finally got around to listening to "Ça Va" from the reunited Slapp Happy band of Dagmar Krause, Peter Blegvad and Anthony Moore. I'm not really good at writing music critique, but here goes. First off, I like it a *lot* more than I had expected. I liked Slapp Happy's eponymous first album back in the 70's (aka Casablanca Moon), but liked successive efforts less so, even though I always respected what they were doing. Some music can be listened to simply for enjoyment, some music can be listened to for a challenge - the latter is what I'd call some of the later 70's work of Slapp Happy, as well as Art Bears and Henry Cow. It's a different type of listening experience, and you really have to be in the mood for it. Someone else mentioned how Dagmar's voice didn't agree with them, and I can understand that opinion. And I'm not familiar with the referenced Weill/Brecht/Eisler work. Dagmar of 1997 (when Ça Va was recorded) is a much more mature and far less grating voice than I ever remember. While at first her German accent kind of reminded me of Madeline Kahn's character in "Young Frankenstein", that soon passed and I was duly impressed with what a pleasant voice she displays on this disc. It is certainly the most accessible Slapp Happy album I know of. The first few songs are pretty good pop/rock numbers, not too loud, not too mellow. As the album progresses some of the ol' Slapp Happy quirkiness begins to appear but it never gets in the way of the songs. "Child Then" is sort of a ballad defending all the stupid things one does when one is young. "Is It You" is sort of like European reggae, if that makes any sense. "Working at the Ministry" is a great tune driven by an addictive percussive riff... and "The Unborn Byron"... I'm still not sure if the lyrics are supposed to be taken cynically or seriously... All in all, a really good album. Many ectophiles would probably like this one a lot. Now, for the bad news... the album is exceedingly hard to obtain. I know that the friend who lent it to me told me about its existence earlier this year and had trouble finding it. He stumbled on it in a record store (in St Louis). I just took a look about on the 'net and few outlets list it. Amazon.com lists it as "label out of stock", which I've seen them use as a euphemism for "out of print". That would be sad, particularly considering how recent this album is. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #13 *************************