From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #5 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Sunday, January 3 1999 Volume 05 : Number 005 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Dubstar and continous mixes and Kevin Gilbert. ["Drew Harrington" ] Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] re: Michael Stipe ["Heidi Maier" ] Re: artists/fans [neal copperman ] Re: Dubstar and continous mixes and Kevin Gilbert. [neal copperman ] Re: Michael Stipe ["Jeffrey C. Burka" ] Re: Kitchens of Distinction ["Tim" ] Q1998 [Tim.Cook@Swift.Com (Tim Cook)] the Smiths [J Wermont ] Re: Michael Stipe [J Wermont ] Re: Kitchens of Distinction [jason and jill ] My top CDs of 1998 [J Wermont ] Suspended In Gaffa again - on Shoutcast ["Xenu's Sister" ] Re: Suspended In Gaffa again - on Shoutcast ["Jeffrey C. Burka" ] RE: Suspended In Gaffa again - on Shoutcast ["Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: Dubstar and continous mixes and Kevin Gilbert. Neal, Geez, you practically filled the last digest all by yourself. Luckily, yo did leave enought room for Meth's 1998 closer. > neal > > np: dubstar - the stars ep Dubstar! Good I love Dubstar. I've got the two british releases, what's on the EP? Dirk, The continous mix idea sounds great. It's always nice to hear Kevin Gilbert mentioned. It amazing how much music he made that was never released, or that is not now in print. Drew ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 18:24:05 +1100 From: "Anthony Horan" Subject: RE: ecto-digest V4 #458 Andrew said; > More about the Whitlams : The driving force behind the band used > to be a very close partnership of Tim Freedman and Steve Plunder, but > unfortunately Steve took his own life shortly before the band attained a > degree of commercial success, uh, probably around 2 years ago now. > Amazingly enough, the band did not break up - instead it regrouped and > returned possibly even stronger than it was before. To be perfectly accurate, The Whitlams as they are today are essentially a Tim Freedman solo act - he used session musicians for the hugely succesful "Eternal Nightcap" album and the band that plays live as The Whitlams now is completely different to the one that plays on the album. When I interviewed Tim last year, he constantly talked about the recordings as "my album", "my songs" and so on. Never "we," always "I". I was lucky enough to see the original Whitlams play at the ANU in Canberra some years ago, and chatted to all of them for some time afterwards. Tim was the "cabaret" one at the time, doing all the piano ballads, while the other two added a rock edge to things, which the current model lacks. > A curious bit of trivia: they are named after Geoff Whitlam, our prime minister > (that's president to you in the US) from the early 70's. Gough, actually (that's pronounced "Goff"). He was sacked from office in 1975 by the Governor-General (the Queen's representative in Australia, and Australia's official head of state) but still commands a great deal of respect to this day. He presented The Whitlams with a music award last year. Tim and the band got on their knees on stage and did a "we're not worthy" at him. :-) - - Anthony ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 03:00:04 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ****************** Jeanne Schreiter (shark@cs.ucla.edu) ******************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jeanne Schreiter Tue January 03 1967 Capricorn John Sandoval Wed January 04 1967 Capricorn Paul Cohen Tue January 05 1954 Capricorn Tony Garrity Mon January 08 1962 Pool of Life Greg Bossert Tue January 09 1962 OfTheTimes Troy J. Shadbolt Thu January 14 1971 Capricorn Chris Sampson Wed January 15 1964 Void where prohibited Dennis G Parslow Fri January 17 1964 ...of the Saint Ross Alford Thu January 17 1957 Positive Nancy Whitney Mon January 19 1959 slippery when wet Sarah Noelle Pratt Ferguson Tue January 20 1970 Seanympf-Aquarius Terry Partis Sun January 22 1933 Rocker Sarah McLachlan Sun January 28 1968 Aquarius Ilka Heber Mon February 01 1965 Mermaid Bob Lovejoy Sun February 02 1947 Aquarius Diane Burke Sat February 02 1963 slow children Timothy S. Devine Tue February 03 1970 Aquarius - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 17:52:42 +1100 From: "Heidi Maier" Subject: re: Michael Stipe neal wrote: << heh, sometimes it takes as long as 5 years to figure out what Michael Stipe is saying! >> aw ... i love michael stipe; he's an enigmatic performer and a phenomenal songwriter, and writer fullstop. but, er, 'tis just me :) i think the fact that people make such a huge deal out of his sexuality is ridiculous. whom he loves is nobody's business but his own -- he spoke about it in the most length i've ever seen in an interview with "the face" a couple of years ago, and stated then that he was only speaking about it in relation to those rumours that he was dying from AIDS which began circulating years back; and he has also said in the past that he did so because he felt the fact that the media began speculating about his health status was indicative of their general disrespect toward and igorance regarding the disease and its sufferers. *faerieblessings* heidi. - --- " ... through the window i see no star something more near though deeper within darkness is entering the loneliness ... ". *in memory of ted hughes 1930 - 1998* heidi maier e-mail: toys@fan.net.au ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 00:26:07 -0700 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: artists/fans At 4:46 PM -0500 1/2/99, dave wrote: >I remember seeing the Rolling Stones' 'Sympathy for the Devil' >documentary years ago.. I don't remember too many details, but it was >interesting to see how much the song changed throughout the recording >process, if I remember correctly it started out as almost a ballad, and >little by little they changed instruments, upped the tempo, added >doot-doo's, and so. For a similar fascinating experience, buy (or borrow, depending on your interest level) The Velvet Underground's boxed set. Disc one is devoted to demos/live tapes of the band working through many of the songs from the first album. There are tracks that are 20 minutes long that consist of aborted take after aborted take, where Lou Reed says stuff like "more guitar, take 5" and starts over. The songs literally evolve right in front of you. One of my Ella Fitzgerald sets has a section like that on it too. Can't remember which off the top of my head. (I only have Early Years Vol. 1, and the Gershwin and Cole Porter songbooks, so it's got to be one of those.) neal np: Mistle Thrush - silt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 02:17:12 -0700 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: Dubstar and continous mixes and Kevin Gilbert. At 11:00 PM -0800 1/2/99, Drew Harrington wrote: >Neal, Geez, you practically filled the last digest all by yourself. Luckily, >yo did leave enought room for Meth's 1998 closer. heh, how embaressing. Well, I guess it makes it easy to delete :) > >> neal >> >> np: dubstar - the stars ep > >Dubstar! Good I love Dubstar. I've got the two british releases, what's on >the EP? You know, I liked the single when it came out. Sorta reminded me of the Pet Shop Boys with a female vocalist. But I didn't care enough to pick it up. However, this ep was in that pile of 15 for 10 that I mentioned earlier. Apparently it's a single wich claims to have 3 new songs. It came out in 1996. Track list: stars excuse me father starfish bow wow now neal np: All Balls Don't Bounce - Aceyalone ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 09:37:52 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Casadonte Subject: re: Michael Stipe Hi Heidi, On Sun, 3 Jan 1999, Heidi Maier wrote: > i think the fact that people make such a huge deal out of his sexuality is > ridiculous. whom he loves is nobody's business but his own -- he spoke Having grown up gay, I know the loneliness that this brought me. It is my belief that people like Michael Stipe have a duty, not an obligation, to come out when they are in a place to do so. It would have made the world of difference for me to have had *any* role model. I don't know, maybe it's different for today's kids. I've done enough work with gay youth, though, to think that it would still help more than it's absence hurts. With Respect, joe joc@netaxs.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Llama Fresh Farms => http://www.netaxs.com/~joc Gay Media Resource List => http://www.netaxs.com/~joc/gaymedia.html Perl for Win32 => http://www.netaxs.com/~joc/perlwin32.html Perl Book Buying Guide => http://www.netaxs.com/~joc/perlbooks.html PerlRing Homepage => http://www.netaxs.com/~joc/perlring.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Free, that's the message! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 09:49:04 -0500 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: Michael Stipe Joe Casadonte sez: > > Having grown up gay, I know the loneliness that this brought me. It is > my belief that people like Michael Stipe have a duty, not an obligation, > to come out when they are in a place to do so. It would have made the > world of difference for me to have had *any* role model. I don't > know, maybe it's different for today's kids. I've done enough work with > gay youth, though, to think that it would still help more than it's > absence hurts. > Yeah. What he said. Charlie actually brought this up on the day this thread got started. An awful lot of straightfolk, no matter how often we say this, just don't understand how hard it can be growing up gay -- though you'd think the suicide statistics would be more of a slap in the face than they seem to be. While it might be nice to dream of a world where sexual orientation is irrevelant, this ain't it. jeff np: nothing, because he's about to get in the car to drive off to \ his sister's wedding! - -- |Jeffrey C. Burka|||http://www.cqi.com/~jburka||||"I've got time to rest / | |||||||||||| And I've got a clear, able mind that sees my life going fine. | |'Cause everything I need is right here in my hands..." --Melissa Ferrick| ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 01:51:12 +0000 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: Kitchens of Distinction - ---------- >From: neal copperman >To: ecto@smoe.org >Subject: Re: Kitchens of Distinction >Date: Sat, Jan 2, 1999, 8:42 AM >Wait a minute. Morrissey's homoeroticism vague and unsubstantiated? An >"apparently heterosexual male"? I thought Morrissey had always been >considered gay (though I recall for a while he was calling himself >bisexual, then asexual, then avowed celebate, then ...). I'm not even sure if Morrissey is gay or not, simply because no-one ever talks about it (rather, they talk about his "homoerotic songs", especially Hand In Glove), at least not in retrospect, which is how I have had to approach The Smiths. Before I actually listened to The Smiths, I had assumed he was heterosexual, while I'm sure you can guess what the very first thing I heard about KoD was. Morrissey seems to be more like a Michael Stipe figure to me, where its obvious that *something* is happening, but the artist chooses not to let that define them. I've only ever read about the celibate part. Usually when people don't mention a person's sexuality, that person is assumed to be heterosexual (an example of what society is, not how it should be). Since I've never read anything where Morrissey explicitly talks about it - which may be my fault, not Morrissey's - nor where a journalist does (again...), I find the recurrent thread in his songs mysterious, which suits more than "unsubstantiated", I guess. >For me at least, >>The Smiths were the first band that I really new were gay. And I hardly >>ever notice. I think this is the reason behind the lack of talk. The Smiths were such an important band anyway, that defining them as a "gay" band would be like identifying the first man on the moon by blood type. Its a sad fact that a band like KoD have no choice but to be identified as "gay" (even here on Ecto), simply because journalists can't find anything else to talk about in relation to them. >Also, if I remember correctly, Hatful of Hollow was a collection of >singles, wasn't it? It's a collection of singles, outtakes and BBC performances released between the first two albums, but I feel the connection is strongest on it. At least seven songs deal with such experiences directly, and of the others only two don't make shadowy allusions. Regards, Tim ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jan 1999 16:52:37 +0000 From: Tim.Cook@Swift.Com (Tim Cook) Subject: Q1998 This months Q magazine has a free CD with an eclectic mix of stuff including Fatboy Slim, Placebo, Massive Attack, Garbage, Neil Finn, Madonna, Catalonia and REM to name but a few!! Definitely worth the three quid or four euros!! and you get a magazine to read as well. tim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:01:25 -0800 (PST) From: J Wermont Subject: the Smiths Tim said: > The Smiths were such an important band anyway, that defining them > as a "gay" band would be like identifying the first man on the > moon by blood type. Great line, Tim! You're right that sexuality defines only a small part of the impact of this band on rock history. In general, though, I think people's sexuality *is* an important part of who they are, because their sexual and emotional attachments are an important part of their lives. I'd love to see the day when a person's orientation has the *moral* weight of, say, their dominant- handedness (which was also a moral issue, once). But regardless of social attitudes, sexuality will always be a more important issue than something like handedness or blood type because one's sexuality is a big part of a person's basic self. So maybe a better analogy would be to say that defining the Smiths as a gay band would be like identifying the first man on the moon by his religious beliefs. But yours did have a good sound-bite quality, I'll grant you that. :) Joyce ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 12:17:07 -0800 (PST) From: J Wermont Subject: Re: Michael Stipe > Having grown up gay, I know the loneliness that this brought me. It is > my belief that people like Michael Stipe have a duty, not an obligation, > to come out when they are in a place to do so. I think this is becoming more and more true, as it gets easier and easier to come out, especially for artists, who generally travel in liberal social circles, unless they're doing CCM or something. :) But I still think this is something that a person can do only if they are able and ready to cope with the consequences, because even though it's easier, it's still not easy. In general, I don't think famous people have any more obligation to be good people than anyone else. The one exception to that is people in public office, because it's their *job* to serve the public, so they *do* have obligations to us, and they take on that responsibility when they sign up for the job. But just because someone has a gift for a performing art, which is only as public a line of work as it is because of the mass media (ie, huge fame doesn't necessarily go with the profession) this doesn't require them to be a model person. It's wonderful when someone is able and willing to do that, but I think it's an unrealistic expectation of everyone who has been graced (or cursed) by fame. Joyce - who's not socially conservative by any means, but still believes in respecting personal boundaries PS - what's the difference between a duty and an obligation? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 16:47:07 -0500 (EST) From: jason and jill Subject: Re: Kitchens of Distinction > Also, if I remember correctly, Hatful of Hollow was a collection of > singles, wasn't it? Not sure on that. The Smiths released so many singles Hatful of Hollow is a collection of BBC live-in-the-studio recordings, many different sessions and broadcast dates. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 14:10:10 -0800 (PST) From: J Wermont Subject: My top CDs of 1998 Here are my top finds for 1998. 1. Cool For August - Grand World This was a serendipitous find - I was browsing a listening station and came across this album, never having heard of the band before. Within about two songs, I knew that I was going to buy this album. Some say that immediately accessible music also fades fast, and that the best stuff takes a while to appreciate. But I've found, again and again, that the music I've loved the best - the most passionately and lastingly - grabbed me right away. I seem to sense immediately when I've found a keeper. This one's a keeper. The music is basic hard rock, and doesn't really break a lot of new ground in terms of song structure, rhythm or melodies/chords. It is quite a bit more melodic than a lot of muscle-rock, and the songs are very well-written and tightly structured. (One complaint I have about hard rock is the aimlessness of the songs - they seem to be more about showing off licks than about good songwriting craft.) What sets this band apart from other rock bands is its emotional quality, which I haven't heard much of in this kind of generally male musical style. Lead singer Gordon Vaughn has a subtle and restrained singing style that nevertheless manages to convey intense, sensitive, and genuine emotion - without a lot of screaming rage and posturing. Their song "Trials," about coming to terms with the death of a family member, is poignant, heartbreaking, and cathartic, too. 2. Moist - Creature I'd heard about Moist on the alt.music.canada newsgroup, so when I came across this album in a used-CD bin, I took a chance and bought it. Best $7.99 I've spent in a while! It's a rock album, but the songs alternate between fast, driving tunes and slower, quieter songs. As with Cool for August, the main attractions are rhythmic and sonic aggression, combined with a very melodic song structure, and a passionate lead singer. David Usher doesn't restrain himself much at all, but instead pours all his emotion out in his singing. But there's an openness and sensitivity to his emotion that you don't hear in a lot of male rock singing. He and Gordon Vaughn (above) could easily be honorary ecto male singers. 3. Eva Trout (self-titled) Another one found by accident (I seem to have a lot of accidents at listening stations :)). This is bright, infectious pop-rock, with female vocals and intricate harmonies (it's actually one woman overdubbing with herself). They remind me a little of the Indigo Girls, vocally, but the band's sound is far more upbeat and pop. *Lots* of fun. There are some pretty, well-arranged ballads, too. 4. Hole - Celebrity Skin No accident here - I was anxiously awaiting this release. Live Through This is one of my landmark rock albums, so I had high hopes for this one. Well, it's not Live Through This - but it is still great. Does every album have to be a masterpiece? This one has many wonderful songs. My favorites are "Northern Star" (stark and haunting), "Hit So Hard" (what is this song about? domestic violence? falling in love? what?? but I still love the imagery), and "Heaven Tonight." Many have said that since Courtney's lost some of her rage, she's also lost her edge. That may be so, but I'm glad to hear this woman sing some truly happy songs! It shows a maturity not only in her writing and musical style, but also in her. She dazzled us with her pain - now let's allow her some joy, too. 5. Garbage - Version 2.0 Another long-awaited second album (yeah, I know, Celebrity Skin isn't Hole's second, but it is for me). Not as good as their first, but it really grew on me after a while. The songs on 2.0 are a little more homogeneous than on the first album (I thought the songs on that one were quite distinct), maybe because these are more dancey and electronic, which tends to have a sameness to it. But now that I've gotten to know the songs better, I do have favorites: "Push It" is hypnotic, and "Special" is either a tribute to or a ripoff of Chrissy Hynde. It's shimmery and pretty, and refers to at least two Pretenders songs, "Special" of course, and also "Talk of the Town." Shirley Manson does a pretty good Hynde imitation at the end. Is this song actually *about* Chrissy Hynde, ie, disillusionment with an idol? (I could say the same about Chrissy myself after some of the things I've read about her.) Or is it just another example of that "cultural reference" schtik that they do? The album's full of them - they refer to the Beach Boys, Romeo Void, and whatever 60's band that was who did "Bend Me, Shape Me." And now I know that "Vow," from the first album, really was referring to the Beatles' "No Reply" - I always thought the "I nearly died" refrain was just a coincidence. Another effective song is "Medication," the 4th cut. It really captures the state of depression, to the point where I find it too depressing a song to actually *enjoy*. "The Trick is to Keep Breathing" is meditative in both sound and subject matter. 6. Jon Crosby - VAST Serendipity strikes again. Another listening-station find. I wrote about this album at length on this list, so I'll just insert those comments again here, with some additional comments that I've thought of since my original post: He writes music that's both melodic and very jarring and dissonant, with lovely strings and keyboard effects, suddenly interrupted by distorted guitars and heavy electronic percussion. And on top of all that, he samples music from various parts of the world, including Bulgarian women's folk music, Tibetan chants, and other stuff. He works these samples into the songs in such a way that they sound as though they were written that way. For example, the hook in one song is a sampled line of an acapella Balkan women's folk song, with guitars and piano providing the chords. It really sounds as though the chorus was written along with the rest of the song. Really gives me the chills. Also, I really like some of the lyrics. One song, "Touched," has the line, "I'll never find someone quite as touched as you," where "touched" carries a dual meaning, one of being spiritually or mystically touched, and the other the more familiar "touched in the head" meaning - which I think many mystics are. :) Another song, sung angrily to God, says, "Not one day goes by that I don't know that I'm dying." In the background there are samples of sacred music sung by a men's choir, overlaid with loud, distorted guitars. It works! Much of the music is religious and Christian, actually, but although I'm not religious myself (and wasn't raised Christian either), I can relate to a lot of the thoughts and sentiments. These aren't a bunch of treacly songs about how Jesus loves us so everything's rosy. There's anger, fear, confusion, doubt, questions of faith, searching for answers and spiritual truths - as well as love and devotion. In other words, he's a mortal searching for the divine, with a mystical element that contemporary Christian music doesn't even come close to. It's your basic religious/classical/world/metal/electronica fusion album! :) Joyce ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 18:13:49 -0600 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Suspended In Gaffa again - on Shoutcast Ectos, Starting in just a little while, I'll be playing my last live Suspended In Gaffa. It aired June 16, 1990. If you make it all the way to the end (the show lasted 6 hours) you'll get to hear a whole hour of Happy, plus my tearful signoff to the strains of "To Be E. Mortal." (I was sad because we were moving from Kansas City to Chicago and this was the last time I'd be on live. From then on I taped my shows and mailed them to Kansas City.) Keep in mind that I was *not* a professional DJ, this was just a community radio station, so if anyone out there listens, be kind to my mistakes. :-) To listen to what we are broadcasting: Use an MP3 player that can play from a net address. WinAmp works (go http://www.winamp.com/) MacAmp works too (go http://www.macamp.com/) There's probably a Unix MP3 player, but we don't know what it might be called. In the player "Play Location". It is constructed just like any normal web URL: http://128.174.114.169:9000 That's it! For right now, I'm playing Happy's "The Keep". I'll start the Suspended In Gaffa show at 6:30pm (CST). If anyone has any set-up problems, Chris will be in IRC channel #ecto on EFnet shortly and he can talk you through. Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 19:22:55 -0500 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: Suspended In Gaffa again - on Shoutcast vickie sez: > Starting in just a little while, I'll be playing my last live > Suspended In Gaffa. It aired June 16, 1990. If you make > it all the way to the end (the show lasted 6 hours) you'll > get to hear a whole hour of Happy, plus my tearful > signoff to the strains of "To Be E. Mortal." OOH! OOH! This is *so* worth hearing. There's no way I could name all the great music/artists I was introduced to by these 6 hours (mostly folks I'd heard of on r.m.g when it was not only bearable, but good!), but a partial listing would have to include Happy Rhodes, Area, Throwing Muses, Concrete Blonde, Dead Can Dance, Vic Williams, and on and on! jeff - -- |Jeffrey C. Burka|||||http://www.cqi.com/~jburka|||||"I've got time to rest / | ||||||||||||||| And I've got a clear, able mind that sees my life going fine. | ||| 'Cause everything I need is right here in my hands..." --Melissa Ferrick | ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 18:50:32 -0600 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: Suspended In Gaffa again - on Shoutcast At 07:22 PM 1/3/99 -0500, Jeffrey C. Burka wrote: >vickie sez: > >> Starting in just a little while, I'll be playing my last live >> Suspended In Gaffa. It aired June 16, 1990. If you make >> it all the way to the end (the show lasted 6 hours) you'll >> get to hear a whole hour of Happy, plus my tearful >> signoff to the strains of "To Be E. Mortal." > >OOH! OOH! This is *so* worth hearing. There's no way I could name all >the great music/artists I was introduced to by these 6 hours (mostly folks >I'd heard of on r.m.g when it was not only bearable, but good!), but a >partial listing would have to include Happy Rhodes, Area, Throwing Muses, >Concrete Blonde, Dead Can Dance, Vic Williams, and on and on! You lucked out in being one of the few people who got in on a video and audio tape tree that included this show. I ramble a lot, but the music is pretty much first rate, and it's still one of my favorite shows, music-wise. Thanks! Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 20:21:39 -0500 From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: Suspended In Gaffa again - on Shoutcast At 06:13 PM 1/3/99 -0600, Xenu's Sister wrote: >Starting in just a little while, I'll be playing my last live >Suspended In Gaffa. It aired June 16, 1990. If you make >it all the way to the end (the show lasted 6 hours) you'll >get to hear a whole hour of Happy, plus my tearful >signoff to the strains of "To Be E. Mortal." (I was sad >because we were moving from Kansas City to Chicago >and this was the last time I'd be on live. From then on I >taped my shows and mailed them to Kansas City.) *sigh* Yet another occasion when I wish listening to audio over the Internet wasn't such an annoying/frustrating experience. np: moments of good music mixed with random moments of silence nr: Distraction by Bruce Sterling | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@smoe.org | | http://www.io.com/~mcurry | | Am I bitter? Do I sound bitter? -- Veda Hille | ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 19:45:18 -0600 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: Suspended In Gaffa again - on Shoutcast At 08:21 PM 1/3/99 -0500, Michael Curry wrote: >At 06:13 PM 1/3/99 -0600, Xenu's Sister wrote: > >>Starting in just a little while, I'll be playing my last live >>Suspended In Gaffa. It aired June 16, 1990. If you make >>it all the way to the end (the show lasted 6 hours) you'll >>get to hear a whole hour of Happy, plus my tearful >>signoff to the strains of "To Be E. Mortal." (I was sad >>because we were moving from Kansas City to Chicago >>and this was the last time I'd be on live. From then on I >>taped my shows and mailed them to Kansas City.) > > *sigh* > > Yet another occasion when I wish listening to audio over the >Internet wasn't such an annoying/frustrating experience. > >np: moments of good music mixed with random moments of silence Yeah, there was a bit there when it was really bad, but this is only the beginning. It'll get better in the future. Everything does. (sooner or later) For now though... Chris says that if you go into your Winamp Preferences (hit Ctrl P to get into Preferences), go to Audio I/O tab in the "Output PlugIns" area, then hit Configure. A window will pop up with an area that will say "Default Buffer Size." Change the default buffer size from 2000 to 6000. Click ok, then ok again. Hit stop on the player, then hit play again. That should get you more buffering and could help. Chris is still in #ecto if you have any other questions. The above worked for one person, it might work for you. In any case, thanks for listening for a while. Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 21:01:10 -0500 From: "Robert Lovejoy" Subject: Re: Suspended In Gaffa again - on Shoutcast Mike laments: > *sigh* > > Yet another occasion when I wish listening to audio over the >Internet wasn't such an annoying/frustrating experience. > >np: moments of good music mixed with random moments of silence Just goes to show the wierdness of the net. I'm picking up the shoutcast just fine. While not real hi-fi, it sounds better than most RA I've heard - none of the "wooshing" I get with that product. The stream is, so far, uninterrupted. So are we approaching the era of personal broadcasting (narrowcasting?). Vickie or Chris, is there a limit to the number of listeners the server can handle? Winamp doesn't seem to have handles to remember the location, so it appears it'll have to be retyped every time I log in to the shout. Not really a big deal, though. I suppose if I _register_ the program those handles might appear. Hey, Vickie, nice job! You sound like a real announcer to me. And as everyone else has noted - great music! Bobbo the Hutt ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Jan 1999 21:27:48 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Casadonte Subject: Re: Michael Stipe On Sun, 3 Jan 1999, J Wermont wrote: > > Having grown up gay, I know the loneliness that this brought me. It is > > my belief that people like Michael Stipe have a duty, not an obligation, > > to come out when they are in a place to do so. > > Joyce - who's not socially conservative by any means, but still > believes in respecting personal boundaries > > PS - what's the difference between a duty and an obligation? For me, an obligation is something I *have* to do, whereas a duty is something I *should* do. The two points of difference here are: 1) a choice 2) a judgement if the action is not taken Although I like to respect people's personal boundaries, I think people in power have a duty to help those who need it (sounds kinda noble, eh?). And in this situation, Michael Stipe has the power to help out a whole bunch of people/kids in a tremendous way, and I think he should. It's not so much about labeling as it is educating. But that's just my personal opinion, and I know many people have very different and equally valid opinions of their own (however wrong they may be :^). 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Registering doesn't change anything, except it puts your name in the about winamp page. The author prides himself on distributing 100% cripple-free, nag-free shareware. However, having registered, a suggestion to his web/email might carry more weight than a freebie. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 20:52:57 -0600 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: Suspended In Gaffa again - on Shoutcast At 09:01 PM 1/3/99 -0500, Robert Lovejoy wrote: >Mike laments: > >> *sigh* >> >> Yet another occasion when I wish listening to audio over the >>Internet wasn't such an annoying/frustrating experience. >> >>np: moments of good music mixed with random moments of silence >Just goes to show the wierdness of the net. I'm picking up the shoutcast >just fine. While not real hi-fi, it sounds better than most RA I've heard - >none of the "wooshing" I get with that product. The stream is, so far, >uninterrupted. Strangely enough, much of the silence happened at the time the show aired. I'd forgotten, but there were some people working at the transmitter that night, and they kept switching me off to test things. >So are we approaching the era of personal broadcasting (narrowcasting?). I hope so. :-) >Vickie or Chris, is there a limit to the number of listeners the server can >handle? Chris is writing up something techy now. I'll post it shortly. >Hey, Vickie, nice job! You sound like a real announcer to me. Thanks! > And as everyone else has noted - great music! I had a lot to choose from. I'd brought enough music for 20 hours. I didn't even play many of my favorites because I'd played them recently. Vickie (I can't believe people are actually listening to this 8 years later) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 22:14:30 -0500 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: Suspended In Gaffa again - on Shoutcast a few people have written things like... > Winamp doesn't seem to have handles to remember the location, so it appears > it'll have to be retyped every time I log in to the shout. Not really a big > deal, though. I suppose if I _register_ the program those handles might > appear. I was listening to the shoutcast earlier, and when I re-ran winamp, the url was ready to go -- I just hit play! furthermore, give the playlist editor a try, alt-e... this seems to be v.1.90, 3/98 (I really ought to register it...) jeff - -- |Jeffrey C. Burka|||http://www.cqi.com/~jburka|||||"I've got time to rest / | ||||||||||||| And I've got a clear, able mind that sees my life going fine. | | 'Cause everything I need is right here in my hands..." --Melissa Ferrick | ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 23:04:53 -0500 From: desmond in a tutu Subject: Re: Suspended In Gaffa again - on Shoutcast also sprach Jeffrey C. Burka: >I was listening to the shoutcast earlier, and when I re-ran winamp, the >url was ready to go -- I just hit play! yep, it remembers the last location played. >this seems to be v.1.90, 3/98 (I really ought to register it...) 2.08 is the current release -- at least until tomorrow. new versions seem to come out daily -- not to tie this thread to another recent one.... ;) registration is easy and only $10. it's worth it. woj n.w.t.p. SiG (once the buffer loads) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 23:17:21 -0500 From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: Suspended In Gaffa again - on Shoutcast At 07:45 PM 1/3/99 -0600, Xenu's Sister wrote: >> *sigh* >> >> Yet another occasion when I wish listening to audio over the >>Internet wasn't such an annoying/frustrating experience. >> >>np: moments of good music mixed with random moments of silence > >Chris says that if you go into your Winamp Preferences (hit Ctrl P >to get into Preferences), go to Audio I/O tab in the "Output PlugIns" >area, then hit Configure. A window will pop up with an area that will >say "Default Buffer Size." Change the default buffer size from 2000 >to 6000. Click ok, then ok again. Hit stop on the player, then hit play >again. That should get you more buffering and could help. I made the change and it plays fine now, though I think the net conditions also improved since I last tried. Thanks for the suggestion. Mike np: KaTe, "Army Dreamers," on the Suspended in Gaffa Shoutcast nr: Distraction by Bruce Sterling | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@smoe.org | | http://www.io.com/~mcurry | | Am I bitter? Do I sound bitter? -- Veda Hille | ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Jan 1999 22:36:44 -0600 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Suspended In Gaffa #118 (last live) 6-16-90 Heya, If anyone's interested, here's the playlist for that show. If the show seemed weighted with Kate and Happy, consider the name of the show and the person putting it together.... SiG 118 Victoria Williams - Vieux Amix k.d.lang - Tune Into My Wave Concrete Blonde - The Sky Is A Poisonous Garden Dead Can Dance - Mesmerism Heavenly Bodies - Sendera Luminoso Beautiful Pea Green Boat - Among The Ruins Kate Bush - Organic Acid Kate Bush - Experiment IV (extended version) Kate Bush - The Dreaming Kate Bush - Suspended In Gaffa Victoria Williams - Shoes Michelle Shocked - When I Grow Up Andrews Sisters - Bei Mir Bist Du Schon Danielle Dax - Flashback Mysterious Voices of Bulgaria - Holm West India Company - O Je Suis Seul Dr. Calculus - Perfume From Spain Aster Aweke - Wolela Yma Sumac - Lullia Mak'ta Agnes Buen Garnas/Jan Garbarek - Innferd Marta Sebestyen - Feher Galamb Szallt A Hazra Jane Siberry - Writers Are A Funny Breed Jane Siberry - Symmetry Jane Siberry - Map Of The World, Pt. 2 Jane Siberry - Red High Heels Jane Siberry - Bound By The Beauty The Jody Grind - One Man's Trash Is Another Man's Treasure Happy Rhodes - Friend You'll Be Marta Sebestyen - ? (Irish song sung live in concert) Sheila Chandra - Raqs Downey Mildew - Offering Mary Margaret O'Hara - Anew Day Zebra Stripes - This Little Girl's Gone Rocking Lene Lovich - Lucky Number Caterwaul - Throw Like Thunder Julie Covington - The Kick Inside Hugo Largo - Fancy Mary Coughlin - Seduced Jennifer Fergusson - Suburban Hum Kate Bush - Army Dreamers Kate Bush - Breathing Judie Tzuke - Chinatown Judie Tzuke - This Side of Heaven Throwing Muses - Rabbit's Dying Dead Can Dance - Frontier (Lonely As An Eyesore version) Dead Can Dance - Frontier (DCD version) Kate Bush - Cloudbusting Kate Bush - Get Out Of My House The Innocence Mission - Medjugorje The Sundays - Here's Where The Story Ends Concrete Blonde - Beware of Darkness Area - Anyway Area - 25/With Louise Happy Rhodes Given In No One Here Possessed I'll Let You Go Ecto Step Inside The Wretches Gone Awry Crystal Orbs To The Funnyfarm Asylum Master Because I Learn The Chase I Cannot Go On Ode Don't Want To Hear It Poetic Justice To Be E. Mortal (At the beginning of that Happy set, I didn't really intend to devote the whole last hour to her, but I couldn't stop once I started. Those newer to Happy have to imagine this...she had no CDs, so I was forwarding and rewinding the cassettes of the 1st4, frantically trying to get one cued up before another one started. I finally had to take a rest and let Ecto play to the end, which made for good timing because that's when I had to sign off. Ecto sound *awful*, btw, because it had been played to death and I didn't get a chance to buy a new one before the show. It would have helped if I'd taken the Dubley off too.) ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V5 #5 ************************