From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V5 #1 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, January 1 1999 Volume 05 : Number 001 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] the whitlams (continued!) ["Heidi Maier" ] Marion's best of 1998 (long) [Marion Kippers ] #ecto on undernet, dalnet and sideshow_bob? [Kyri ] question [meredith ] Re: question ["Joseph S. Zitt" ] Ecto/Church/Marillion ["Tim" ] Re: #ecto on undernet, dalnet and sideshow_bob? ["Neil K. Guy" Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************** Marvin Camras (no Email address) ********************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Marvin Camras Sat January 01 1916 Tapehead Jeanne Schreiter Tue January 03 1967 Capricorn John Sandoval Wed January 04 1967 Capricorn Paul Cohen Tue January 05 1954 Capricorn Tony Garrity Mon January 08 1962 Pool of Life Greg Bossert Tue January 09 1962 OfTheTimes Troy J. Shadbolt Thu January 14 1971 Capricorn Chris Sampson Wed January 15 1964 Void where prohibited Dennis G Parslow Fri January 17 1964 ...of the Saint Ross Alford Thu January 17 1957 Positive Nancy Whitney Mon January 19 1959 slippery when wet Sarah Noelle Pratt Ferguson Tue January 20 1970 Seanympf-Aquarius Terry Partis Sun January 22 1933 Rocker Sarah McLachlan Sun January 28 1968 Aquarius Ilka Heber Mon February 01 1965 Mermaid Bob Lovejoy Sun February 02 1947 Aquarius Diane Burke Sat February 02 1963 slow children Timothy S. Devine Tue February 03 1970 Aquarius Stephen Thomas Fri February 04 1966 Aquarius Doug Burks Tue February 14 1956 Blank Jim Sturnfield Thu February 18 1954 Aquarius Juha Kannisto Wed February 18 1970 Aquarius Joel Siegfried February 19 Penguin Crossing Linda Saboe Tue February 20 1951 aimless Teresa Ross Wed February 23 1977 pisces Michael Curry Fri February 24 1967 Pisces Paula Shanks Mon February 25 1952 Pisces Brni Mojzes Fri February 26 1965 the vanishing boy Pamela Pociluk Fri February 28 1964 Pisces Tim Steele Fri March 08 1963 Pisces Matt Bittner Thu March 12 1964 Pisces kIrI Hargie Fri March 13 1970 Pisces Bob Dreano Thu March 13 1958 Pisces Randall K. Smith Sat March 15 1969 Pisces Jessica Skolnik March 16 Pisces Alan Sodoma Thu March 18 1965 LuckyLurker Richard Konrad Sat March 18 1944 Pisces Barry Wong Thu March 19 1970 Merlin Graham Dombkins Fri March 19 1965 Pisces Ian Young Wed March 19 1969 Squiggol Jeff Wasilko Wed March 19 1969 Pisces Geoff Carre Sat March 20 1954 Pisces John Stewart Sat March 21 1970 Aries Bob Brown Thu March 22 1951 Ham Valerie Nozick Thu March 25 1971 Aries Tom Proven Sat March 27 1971 Eat at Joe's Jennifer Albert Wed March 30 1966 Aries (w/Cancer rising!:) Warpaint Mon April 01 1991 Brilliant! Michael Pearce Wed April 03 1946 Pegasus Michael E. Bravo Mon April 05 1971 Dandelion Wine Brion McIntosh Sun April 06 1958 Aries Marcel Kshensky Thu April 06 1950 Aries David Dixon Tue April 07 1970 Aries Heidi Heller Mon April 08 1974 Aries Jill Hughes Sat April 09 1955 Aries Klaus Kluge Sun April 10 1960 Unicorn Steve VanDevender Sun April 10 1966 Racer Art Liestman Fri April 10 1953 Repeat Stephen Golden Sat April 10 1971 Jokey Michael Bowman Wed April 11 1962 Aries Wolfgang Ullwer Fri April 11 1969 Widder Janet Kirsch Thu April 11 1974 Aries Jerry Tue April 13 1971 Aries Stuart Myerburg Mon April 14 1969 Aries T-Bone Wed April 15 1992 happy cat Jeff Hanson Sat April 16 1966 Aries Michael Klouda Mon April 17 1967 Aries Harry Foster Sat April 21 1956 NiceGuy Kjetil Torgrim Homme Thu April 23 1970 Taurus Jeff Burka Thu April 24 1969 GoFlyAKite Christine Waite Tue April 25 1972 Taurus Matt Adams Thu April 26 1962 Taurus Brad Hutchinson Tue April 28 1964 What sign? Geoff Parks Sun April 30 1961 Taurus Barney Parker Fri May 02 1986 happy cat Gray Abbott Tue May 03 1955 Suprised Tamar Boursalian Tue May 03 1966 Taurus Richard A. Holmes May 07 Taurus Steve Ito Fri May 08 1970 DA Bull... Brian Gregory Thu May 09 1963 Eclectic Patrick Varker Wed May 12 1954 Torius Steve Fagg Tue May 13 1958 Nightwol Karel Zuiderveld Fri May 13 1960 Stier Michael Colford Wed May 16 1962 Taurus Christopher Boek Tue May 19 1970 Taurus Yngve Hauge Fri May 21 1971 Gemini Lisa Laane Tue May 22 1973 Gemini Jewel Kilcher Thu May 23 1974 The Gem Chandra Sriram Thu May 27 1971 Gemini Urs Stafford Thu May 31 1973 Give Way Perttu Yli-Krekola Thu June 02 1966 Kaksoset Alex Gibbs Thu June 08 1967 Betelgeuse Gleb Zverev Tue June 09 1964 Gemini Sonja Juchniewich Mon June 10 1963 Pegasus Joerg Plate Mon June 12 1967 Gemini Chris Montville Tue June 13 1978 Gemini Ectoplasm (original name) Mailing List Thu June 13 1991 Fuzzier blue Mark R. Susskind Wed June 15 1966 Gemini Mike Matthews Mon June 16 1969 Dr. Firewall Albert Philipsen Mon June 17 1968 Gemini Neal R. Copperman Thu June 17 1965 Gemini Susan Kay Anderson Tue June 17 1969 Gemini Ecto-The Mailing List Tue June 18 1991 Fuzzy blue Tracy Barber Mon June 18 1956 Gemini Greg Dunn Thu June 18 1953 + Paul Blair Thu June 18 1964 Objectivist David Lubkin Fri June 20 1958 OurLady Marisa Wood Fri June 20 1969 Gemini Cheri Villines Sun June 20 1965 Gemini-Leo rising Ray Misra Sat June 20 1970 Gemini Nik Popa Sun June 22 1969 Cancer Teresa VanDyne Thu June 23 1960 Cancer Dave Torok Mon June 24 1968 Cancer Ethan Straffin Thu June 24 1971 Cancer Kevin Dekan Mon June 27 1960 Cancer Samantha Tanner Tue June 30 1970 Wild Goose BunkyTom Tue July 02 1968 Cancer Anders Hallberg Tue July 03 1962 Cancer Kevin Harkins Thu July 05 1973 Cancer Laurel Krahn Mon July 05 1971 Cancer John J Henshon Mon July 05 1954 The Year Of The Horse / Ruled By The Moon Jim Gurley Mon July 06 1959 Cancer Lisa Wilson Fri July 08 1960 Moonchild with Java Rising Courtney Dallas Fri July 09 1971 Catte Michael Peskura Sat July 09 1949 HallOfFamer Finney T. Tsai Sat July 09 1966 Cancer Larry Greenfield Tue July 11 1950 Virgo Rising; Gemini Moon Marion Kippers Tue July 13 1965 Kreeft Ellen Rawson Thu July 13 1961 Double Cancer Mitch Pravatiner Mon July 14 1952 Cancer Rich R. Wed July 14 1954 Cancer John Zimmer Sun July 16 1961 Cancer Dan Stark Sun July 16 1961 Cancer Cathy Guetzlaff Mon July 18 1955 Cancer Vlad Sat July 18 1970 Warning: severe tire damage Jani Pinola Thu July 20 1972 Jonquil Alvin Brattli Sun July 27 1969 Lefthanded Christy Eger Smith Thu July 27 1944 Horse Crossing woj Sun July 28 1968 children at play John Relph Sat July 28 1962 Leo Bob Kollmeyer Wed July 28 1971 Leo Steve Lusky Tue July 29 1952 Bike! Kate Bush Wed July 30 1958 God Chuck Smith Wed July 30 1958 Reboot Yves Denneulin Fri July 30 1971 Lion-Heart Joel Kenyon Wed July 31 1963 Leo Eli Brandt August 05 Leo Martin Bridges Sat August 08 1970 BigGuy Happy Rhodes Mon August 09 1965 HolyGhost Michael Stevens Sat August 12 1967 For Sale or Lease Vickie Mapes Wed August 15 1956 WretchAwry Martin Dougiamas Wed August 20 1969 Positive Tori Amos Thu August 22 1963 Leo Sam Warren Tue August 22 1961 Leo Henk Van Wulpen Sat August 22 1970 Leo Kerry White Wed August 22 1951 Exact Leo/Virgo Don Gibson Wed August 26 1959 Virgo Marcel Rijs Mon August 31 1970 A rose growing old Meredith Tarr Wed September 01 1971 Virgo Mary Lou Rowe Sat September 03 1960 Virgo Scott Zimmerman Mon September 04 1972 Virgo Mike Mendelson Fri September 04 1964 Virgo Richard Dean Wed September 06 1967 Virgo David Blank-Edelman Sat September 09 1967 Neon Holly Tominack Thu September 10 1970 Virgo Sharon Nichols - Terra Incognita Wed September 11 1963 Victim of Christianity Heather Russell September 11 Total Virgosity Karron Lynn Lane Tue September 14 1751 Ophelia Virgo Troy Wollenslegel Mon September 18 1972 Virgo Mark Frabotta Sun September 19 1965 Don't even THINK about parking here Joe Zitt Sat September 20 1958 Will Hack for CDs Ani DiFranco Wed September 23 1970 Virgo Paul Kim Sat October 01 1977 fetal position William Gill Wed October 05 1960 A wide-eyed wanderer Dan Riley Sun October 08 1961 Libra Neile Graham Wed October 08 1958 pen Quenby M. Chunco Tue October 08 1968 Crunchy Frog Mike Garland Wed October 08 1952 Creature_of_the_Night Irvin Lin Tue October 09 1973 Libra Michael C. Berch Wed October 10 1956 No parking Chris Gagnon Sat October 10 1970 Libra Wolfgang Drotschmann Thu October 13 1966 Waage Gracescape Fri October 13 1967 unbalanced Brian Bloom Tue October 14 1969 spam Erik N. Johnson Tue October 16 1962 Handle with Care Kim Klouda Tue October 17 1967 Libra Anthony Amato Sat October 20 1973 Libra Dave Steiner Sat October 24 1959 Scorpio Tara MacLean Thu October 25 1973 Scorpio Jessica Koeppel Wed October 29 1969 Scorpio Kathy Clark Sat November 01 1969 Bunnies Katie Dougiamas Sat November 02 1974 Scorpio Anthony Horan Fri November 04 1966 Positive Michael Sullivan Mon November 05 1962 Scorpio Jens Brage Sun November 08 1964 Scorpio Rising Lynn Garrett Sat November 08 1958 Scorpio Sam Murgie Fri November 08 1957 Scorpio Rachel Kramer Bussel Mon November 10 1975 Scorpio Ken Latta Sun November 11 1951 Scorpio Michael Doyle Wed November 12 1969 Scorpio Neil K. Thu November 14 1968 Grocible Dave Cook Mon November 15 1971 Scorpio Jeff Pearce November 16 Orpheus Naama Avramzon Mon November 18 1974 Scorpio Jeff Smith Mon November 19 1962 Crash Kevin Bartlett Fri November 21 1952 Scorpio Claudia Spix Wed November 23 1960 Schuetze Anja Baldo Tue November 23 1965 Garbanzo Tommy Persson Wed November 25 1964 Sagittarius Pat Tessitore November 26 Sagittarius Valerie Kraemer November 26 Sagittarius Justin Bur Fri November 27 1964 Sagittarius Sue Trowbridge Sun November 27 1966 Skytten Ward Kadel Tue November 29 1977 Sagittarius Mirko Bulaja Sat November 30 1974 Block Juha Sorva Thu December 02 1976 Sagittarius Chip Lueck Thu December 05 1968 Sagittarius Michele Wellck December 08 Sagittarius Jeremy J. Corry Fri December 11 1970 Sagittarius Renee Canada Tue December 13 1977 Sagittarius Julie C. Kammerzell Sun December 15 1968 Sagittarius/Scorpio combo Gloria Jackson-Nefertiti Sat December 15 1956 Sagittarius Damon Harper Tue December 16 1975 COOL BANANAS Laura Clifford Tue December 17 1957 Sagittarius Dirk Kastens Tue December 17 1963 Sagittarius Milla Wed December 17 1975 Sagittarius Chris Schernwetter Tue December 17 1974 Sagittarius Sherry Haddock Sat December 17 1960 Sagittarius Tracy Benbrook Tue December 18 1973 Sagittarius Mark Lowry Mon December 22 1969 Capricarius Uli Grepel Wed December 25 1968 Steinbock Joseph Wasicek Sat December 25 1976 Brown Eagle Stuart Castergine Mon December 30 1963 You Are Here ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1999 01:19:04 +1100 From: "Heidi Maier" Subject: the whitlams (continued!) andrew wrote: << More about the Whitlams : The driving force behind the band used to be a very close partnership of Tim Freedman and Steve Plunder, but unfortunately Steve took his own life shortly before the band attained a degree of commercial success, uh, probably around 2 years ago now. Amazingly enough, the band did not break up - instead it regrouped and returned possibly even stronger than it was before. >> i wouldn't say stronger ... it *is* in some ways stronger, but merely different, for the dynamics (both musical and emotional) clearly altered when stevie took his own life. it has, as one might surmise, a profound effect on tim and the band; and i have to say - everytime i see them play live, and he plays one or more of the charlie trilogy of songs (from the aforementioned "eternal nightcap") it never fails to move me, and amaze me - - the strength he finds in performing those songs, all so deeply personal, is startling ... though painful, i imagine it might also offer a form of catharsis. (and yes, i am rambling!) :) << A curious bit of trivia: they are named after Geoff Whitlam, our prime minister (that's president to you in the US) from the early 70's. >> they've got a very amusing song about gough whitlam too, titled -- surprisingly -- "gough" ... and yes, i was being a tad sarcastic there, folks! ;) it was sweet when he presented them with their ARIAs last year. tim's songwriting can be extremely irreverent (as demonstrated by the lyric in "band on every corner" where he sings: 'there's a band on every corner / and i'm not in one / i hate three out of every four of them / but i haven't got a gun') ... it'll be interesting to see how it is perceived overseas; i can imagine quite a few overly-serious critics won't see the sarcastic wit in a lot of what he writes! << I'm not a huge fan, but I saw them once. It was several years ago, with Steve very much alive and fame still a few years away... I remember that night well, but for the side performance rather than the music: not content with the more usual belly dancer, they got a stripper instead; she walked onto the stage buck naked carrying her clothes in a bundle and proceeded to perform a strip-tease in reverse. At the pub, in the middle of the gig it all added up to a rather surreal experience. >> i can imagine! :) all of my live experiences have been, comparatively, rather sedate ... i would say my favourite show thus far was the december 1997 show at the zoo, in brisbane ... everything -- the crowd, the atmosphere, the music, the moods of audience and band alike -- just came together so well. tim's always been in relatively high spirits when i've seen them play, but that night he seemed really, really pleased and happy to be onstage, chatting and performing, and having an absolute ball -- even more so than usual. twas a very good show ... they're definitely worth checking out; they may not be everybody's cup of tea for various reasons, but that's like everything, i guess. my brother always finds it amazing that i like the whitlams so much -- perhaps, i suppose, because my most coveted groups are radiohead and r.e.m; and the whitlams are such a departure. ah well -- variety is the spice of life, to coin a horrible cliche. *faerieblessings* heidi (looking immensely forward to seeing elliott smith for the first time this week ... he has *finally* come to australia ... yaaaay). - --- " ... through the window i see no star something more near though deeper within darkness is entering the loneliness ... ". *in memory of ted hughes 1930 - 1998* heidi maier e-mail: toys@fan.net.au ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 19:49:13 +0100 (W. Europe Standard Time) From: Marion Kippers Subject: Marion's best of 1998 (long) Hi, So, I didn't buy that many cd's in 1998, and especially towards the end of the year I've been far too busy with too many things, especially work, to have a 'head' for music. That's probably the main reason that some of my favourite albums of this year lean a bit towards the 'Ecto-bland' end of the Ecto spectre. Also there are many 1998 albums that I've yet to hear, and also some older albums that I didn't hear until this year. I didn't compile a top 10 of 1998, but here are some honourable mentions of albums that I enjoyed during the year 1998. No particular order, but I've used the * (forget it) to ***** (brilliant) system to indicate favourites. For some albums it has been a while since I last listened to them so my remarks are all from memory, for most albums I've read much better reviews on Ecto already, but I thought I'd write a bit about my favourites anyway. I apologize for the length. And yes, Neile, you may. :-) ***** Happy Rhodes - Many worlds are born tonight This is by far the best album of 1998. I was a bit anxious beforehand, since I'm not all that interested in electronic music, and I was a bit concerned that this cd might be too gimical and freaky for me. But when I first heard the full album I just sat down in awe, and I felt all warm and glowing after hearing "Serenading genius" for the first time. Some songs took some time to grow on me, like "Winter" and "If wishes were horses...", but some songs were instant favourites. Especially "The Chariot", which gave me goosebumps all over the first time I heard it (the moment just before the guitar comes in), and which is still my favourite song of the album. I find it amazing that despite all the electronics and strange noises and sounds all over the album, the music and Happy's voice still feel so warm and full of emotion. This album still makes me glow all over. ***** Velvet Belly - The landing I bought this album late in December 1997, but apart from the first track which I loved instantly ("The drowning sun") the other songs took a couple of listens to grow on me. After that I had this album on repeat constantly for about 3 months, on a tape in my walkman combined with Velvet Belly's previous album "Window tree". I like the wide, open sound of their music, it reminds me of the beautiful Norwegian landscape. Anne Marie Almedal's voice is beautiful and clear, and seems to grow stronger and better, and their songs are melodic, catchy and yet original. Wonderful band. I'd like to hear more of them, it's a pity their albums seem to be hard to find in the Netherlands. **** Veda Hille - Spine The first time I heard this it was for some reason totally different from what I expected. I don't know why I had thought "Spine" would be a more keyboard / synthetic oriented album?!? I really had to adjust to the dark bluesy jazzy guitar sound, but after a couple of listens the album rapidly grew on me. Beautiful and fierce are good words to describe it I think. It's not an album to listen to while doing something else, it demands full attention which is the main reason that I haven't listened to it for some months now. I'm sure I'll get back to it next year though. My favourite song is the beautiful "Strange, sad", but also "Slumber queen" and "Bellyfish", and "Instructions", and the singing saw in "Sweet", and if I were to listen to the album now I could probably find more favourites. "26 Years", while it seems to be a favourite song for most Veda fans, hasn't done all that much extra for me yet though. Maybe because I haven't paid that much attention to the lyrics yet, and I'm not sure if I will, because I'm not sure they would be too dark and painful for my liking, so that it would spoil the album for me. Okay, call me weird. :-) I'm definitely looking forward to hearing "Here is a picture" (coming soon to my mailbox, yes! Thanks in advance, Neal!). **** Tori Amos - From the choirgirl hotel I liked this album a lot, and played it constantly when it was released, but for some reason I hardly ever listen to it recently. I noticed this has happened to more Ectophiles, which makes me wonder whether it is something about this album. When I do listen to it I still like it very much. Favourite song is "Iieee" - someone else (sorry, forgot who) mentioned this could be a Happy song, and I agree. Maybe because of the layered vocals. Also "Cruel", though I didn't like the live version of that song at all. To be honest, I didn't like much of the concert I saw, the highlights were definitely the moments without the band, though "Doughnut song" with band was a beautiful exeption. The rest was just too loud. Like my least favourite song of the album, "She's your cocaine". **** Noa - Achinoam Nini 1998 Still not sure of the official title, I think it's just Achinoam Nini. All songs are in Hebrew. Again it took a while to grow on me, and I haven't listened to it much recently, but it's a beautiful album, very varied, though it seems to be a bit more serious than her previous albums. That's why I still think it's a pity there's no translation with the lyrics. ***** Susan McKeown - Bushes & briars *** Susan McKeown - Through the bitter frost and snow Apparently all of Susan McKeown's albums take their time to grow on me. It took quite a few listens until I started to like "Bones", and the same goes for "Bushes & briars". But that grew on me pretty fast, and it is my favourite of her albums. I like the way she combines traditional songs with some not so traditional elements, and like I've said before it reminds me a bit of "The colour of amber" by Anita Best and Pamela Morgan, though I'd guess that's more traditionally traditional if that makes sense. Somehow "Through the bitter frost and snow" doesn't work for me yet. I guess I have to listen to it more, because each time I do listen I like more songs, but as yet I find most songs too jazzy and not so melodic. Or something like that. ***** Jonatha Brooke - 10c Wings So this is one of the albums that I listened to most in the past couple of months. I love the Story's first album "Grace in gravity", and I quite liked "Plumb", but I think this is one of my favourites of Jonatha. Catchy songs, nothing too special or complicated, easy to listen to. Only a few songs stick in my head though, and it's quite a good album to listen to while I'm working. The only real flaw is that in my opinion the title track should be the last song on the album. "10c Wings" seems the perfect ending, but there are two songs after that which for some reason don't work that well, even though on their own there not lacking or less than the rest of the album. Am I making sense here? :-) **** Heather Nova - Siren Okay, so I agree with almost everyone that this certainly isn't Heather's best album. And that only a few songs really stand out (especially "Winter blue"). But like "10c Wings" it's a good album to listen to when you don't want to be disturbed by the background music, and I've listened to it quite a lot in the past few months when I did want good music, but didn't want something too demanding for my busy head. And it's still much better than most music that's being played on Dutch radio. **** Suzanne Vega - Tried and true (The best of) This is a compilation album, and as always I wonder at the selection, why some songs were included and especially why some songs were left out (like "Tired of sleeping"). All in all it's quite a good compilation of Suzanne Vega's songs, most of which pass the test of time wonderfully. The two new songs are okay, "Book and a cover" is a bit too straight forward for me, but "Rosemary" is a beautiful song that could be compared to "World before Columbus". I would have liked the booklet to be a bit more special (it's just the lyrics printed, no pictures, no 'stories' about the songs). ***** Virginia Astley - From gardens where we feel secure **** Virginia Astley - All shall be well "From gardens where we feel secure" is one of my all time favourite albums, though it's one of those albums that I tend to forget. It's all instrumental, beautiful quiet music to listen to when you're lying in the grass in the summer. I've had a vinyl copy since 1983, and a few months ago three of her cd's were re-released in the UK. The cd version has 4 extra tracks, the song "Sanctus" which I already knew from "Promise nothing", and 3 versions of "Melt the snow" of which I like the two instrumental versions best. "All shall be well" was also re-released on cd, and the third cd that was re-released is "Had I the heavens", but I don't know that one yet. ***** The Tolkien Ensemble - An evening at Rivendell This gets an honourable mention as well, though it's not really the usual Ecto-fare. The Tolkien Ensemble is a group of Danish classical musicians who got together to put several of Tolkien's poems to music. It's mainly classical chamber music, with touches of folk. They tried to adjust each song to the character that sings it, so the hobbits have more down to earth folk music, while the elven songs are more classical and operatic. A wonderful cd. *** Pepper Acton - Marrow I just wanted to mention this ep because I did try really hard to like it. Unfortunately it didn't work for me. It starts off beautiful, it has some wonderful piano playing and the first song is really Tori-esque with Pepper's own style, but she has a way of distributing her words so uneven over the music, that it irritates me. Maybe she could grow if she pays more attention to structuring her songwriting, or maybe she's just not for me. That's all for the cd's. Some other nominations: Best concert of the year: Loreena McKennitt in Amsterdam and Utrecht, by far. A wonderful experience to see her live, her voice is even better live than on the cd and she has a group of truly magical musicians around her. I liked the way the members of her mailing list (The Old Ways) could contribute to the concerts by helping out in the information stand, translating and providing information. In return we got two tickets each for one concert, and the chance to meet Loreena afterwards. She's such a nice person! I'm really looking forward to the live cd that's apparently still to become available within the next few months. Most impressive book that I've read in 1998: Keri Hulme - The bone people. Definitely a book I'll have to read again, in English, to grasp the full meaning. Disappointment of the year: an Ecto-trade that didn't work out. I've sent off my cd's, but never heard anything in return. :-( Fortunately, there have been many trades that _did_ work out! Oh well, that's all. I would like to wish everybody a very Happy new year, I hope it will bring everybody everything they hope for. Best wishes, Marion (who'll be away on vacation until 20 January, so don't expect to hear from me until then) - ---------------------- Marion Kippers Marion.Kippers@wkap.nl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 13:54:07 -0500 From: Kyri Subject: #ecto on undernet, dalnet and sideshow_bob? Hi there i remember around 5 years ago (perhaps i'll just stop here:P) many ectophiles used to frequent #ecto channel on IRC (i think it was efnet) (i used to be Nemesos btw) i'm now frequently on #tori on undernet and was wondering if there was any other ectophiles out there too who use IRC I see there does exist an #ecto channel on dalnet (sideshow_bob i can always see your name as the author of the topic but you're never there:P) but never anyone there anyone else who wants to chat real time please email me..perhaps we can bring #ecto on IRC back to its former glory :) kyri (kyrie@compuserve.com) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 15:08:42 -0500 From: meredith Subject: question Hi! Happy '99 to all! As I was driving home from Hartford last night (this morning?) after seeing The Nields do two really great sets at First Night, then getting almost literally blown away by the impressive fireworks display at midnight, followed by driving all over north-central Connecticut trying to find a diner that was open (even the Olympia Diner in Newington, whose motto has always been "we never close" was dark), then trying to find where Jeff had left his car, I was radio-surfing and only heard Prince's "1999" song once. I was impressed. As woj remarked yesterday, it's good for Squiggly that he had the foresight to write a song that would be guaranteed to rake in *serious* royalties a few years down the line. Yow. Anyway. Also while radio surfing, I heard one of the silliest songs I've heard on commercial radio. Musically it sounded like Jim's Big Ego, and I guess lyrically it sounded like them too, though they would've done it better. The chorus went something like: So if you ever come back can you please pick up some dinner I can't get off this couch, it's been the same for weeks now So if you ever come back can you please bring me a pizza 'Coz it's getting late and I'm getting kinda hungry Anyone with their fingers closer to the pulse of popular culture able to tell me who this is? I'm just curious. Oh -- The Nields did two brand-new songs last night. Nerissa's becoming more like Chrissie Hynde with every passing year. The songs were called "Mercy House" and "Mr. Right Now", and they were both really, really good. I think the former will stand up to the test of time better than the latter, though "Mr. Right Now" didn't sound like it's quite been finished yet. If any CT ectophiles were sitting at home watching the Channel 30 news last night, what of TN did they end up showing? There was a news crew there and they did something at the very beginning of the newscast, because the band had to make sure they were playing a song at 11:00, then at the very end of the newscast (11:35) the crew turned the lights on again, and asked the band to do another song, even though they had just finished what they thought was going to be the last one of the evening (so they segued "Living It Up In The Garden" into "King of the Hill"). Turns out Channel 30 was televising quite a bit of the First Night festivities because they're a sponsor, and I guess they showed the fireworks at midnight too (with Times Square in a box in the corner of the screen, because of course everyone knows it's not really the new year until that infernal ball drops). Enough rambling for now ... off to see Cry Cry Cry in Northampton tonight. What a way to ring in the new year! +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | U.S.A. OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST NOW!!! | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:59:10 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: question On Fri, 1 Jan 1999, meredith wrote: > As woj remarked yesterday, it's good > for Squiggly that he had the foresight to write a song that would be > guaranteed to rake in *serious* royalties a few years down the line. Yow. If I recall, der Squiggle lost access to future royalties from his Warner Brothers catalog when he broke away from them. The squid strike again... - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Jan 1999 09:46:57 +0000 From: "Tim" Subject: Ecto/Church/Marillion - ---------- >From: Suzanne Cerquone >To: ecto@smoe.org >Subject: Tim's Review of The Church >Date: Wed, Dec 30, 1998, 4:50 PM > >I'd just like to compliment Tim on his passionate yet eloquent review of >The Church's last CD. For a sixteen year old, he writes beautifully and >expresses her musical likes/dislikes incredibly well. It's great to know >that there are teenagers out there like Tim who are so intelligent about >music and has tastes that vary beyond the normal teenager range. Thanks. It's nice to be appreciated ;) Actually ecto can take much of the blame for this. I've only been here a year, but the amount of great artists I've discovered (Veda, Jane, Cocteau Twins, Bel Canto, Curve, M2OH etc. etc. and not least of all Happy herself) is amazing, and amazingly expensive. One advantage about listening to so much music is that you are better able to analyse your reactions to it. Two years ago I would have divided music I listened to into two categories: "like" and "dislike", but now I can see why I like or dislike something as well. Also, of course, its hard *not* to pick things up when you're surrounded by music enthusiasts on Ecto. I guess you could say that had I never discovered groups like Ecto I would be a much richer, but blander, person. >You've got me really intrigued and I'm putting The Church's lastest on my >"CDs to buy" list. I find it strange that they haven't really been mentioned before, since they seem to represent the "male" spectrum of Ecto almost as accurately as Peter Gabriel (or Marillion, for that matter). I'm sure if they had a female singer they'd be in the pantheon by now. >It also helps that you're a major Marillion fan! :) Also quite a coup >for someone your age. And especially for being an Australian and probably >not seeing them live. They enter a whole dimension after you see their >live show, Tim. It's "life changing" for sure. So I have heard, so many times that I simply have to switch off when I hear about the experiences of all the lucky American and European freaks or risk a stray suicidal impulse - which would be a particularly bad thing, not just because of the loss of my life, but because I don't think I could handle not seeing the band play "Out Of This World" at least once before I die. Regards, Tim ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:34:46 -0800 From: "Neil K. Guy" Subject: Re: #ecto on undernet, dalnet and sideshow_bob? At 1:54 PM -0500 1/1/99, Kyri wrote: > i remember around 5 years ago (perhaps i'll just stop here:P) many > ectophiles used to frequent #ecto channel on IRC (i think it was efnet) (i > used to be Nemesos btw) Ah yes, IRC. Boy. Does that bring up fun memories. Seems like rather a long time ago, now. I dug out an old IRC client and hung out for a while, while I was doing other stuff. But looking into the IRC client windows was like going to an old pub or cafe you used to frequent, only now you don't know anyone there. (except Kiri/iieee/Nemesos; hi Kiri) After a bit of "TORI RULESS!!!!" and "ya he's pretty cute for an 8th grader" I figured it was time to move on. Nostalgia just ain't what it used to be... :) - Neil K. 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