From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V4 #457 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, December 31 1998 Volume 04 : Number 457 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Hockey Night In Canada [FAMarcus@aol.com] Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Kitchens of Distinction [Michael Colford ] Re: Kitchens of Distinction [Joe Casadonte ] Re: Kitchens of Distinction [Michael Colford ] Tim's Review of The Church [Suzanne Cerquone ] the whitlams (amazing australian band) ["Heidi Maier" ] m2oh=>ani d. [LilWhirl@aol.com] sickly-sweet [Steve VanDevender ] Re: Tim's Review of The Church ["C. K. Coney" ] Re: sickly-sweet [Jeff Wasilko ] Re: sickly-sweet [Jeff Burka ] Re: Kitchens of Distinction [J Wermont ] Re: Tim's Review of The Church [Dirk Kastens ] ectopics [desmond in a tutu ] Re: Tim's Review of The Church [Andrew Fries ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 02:05:12 EST From: FAMarcus@aol.com Subject: Re: Hockey Night In Canada In a message dated 12/29/98 11:52:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, voodoo.child@ibm.net writes: << [ ----double hockeysticks??? H-E-L-L Sorry, being a Canuck and all, I had to show me appreciation. >> I believe that was a rhetorical question tinged with sarcasm..................... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 03:00:03 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ****************** Stuart Castergine (no Email address) ******************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Stuart Castergine Mon December 30 1963 You Are Here Marvin Camras Sat January 01 1916 Tapehead Jeanne Schreiter Tue January 03 1967 Capricorn John Sandoval Wed January 04 1967 Capricorn Paul Cohen Tue January 05 1954 Capricorn Tony Garrity Mon January 08 1962 Pool of Life Greg Bossert Tue January 09 1962 OfTheTimes Troy J. Shadbolt Thu January 14 1971 Capricorn Chris Sampson Wed January 15 1964 Void where prohibited Dennis G Parslow Fri January 17 1964 ...of the Saint Ross Alford Thu January 17 1957 Positive Nancy Whitney Mon January 19 1959 slippery when wet Sarah Noelle Pratt Ferguson Tue January 20 1970 Seanympf-Aquarius Terry Partis Sun January 22 1933 Rocker Sarah McLachlan Sun January 28 1968 Aquarius - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 07:11:54 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Colford Subject: Kitchens of Distinction Well, after all the discussion maybe I should even bother, but I did say I'd check my collection and report back on Kitchens of Distinction's ouevre (sp?). If anyone cares, here is a copmlete-as-far-as-I-know discography for the band. Kitchens of Distinction: - - Love is Hell (import) - - Strange Free World (with the single, "Drive That Fast" that got some videoplay on MTV which is how I discovered them) - - The Death of Cool - - Cowboys & Aliens This was their last album as Kitchens of Distinction so far and it came out in 1993. Kitchens O.D. - - Feel my Genie (import Cd single) Fruit - - Hark At Her - basically a side/solo project for lead vocalist Patrick Fitzgerald. Features a bunch of guest musicians, including former lead singer of Lush. (I'd ask irvin for help with her name, but I know he's in Japan!) Oh, I just remembered, Micki. Okay, that's it, there ain't no more! Michael n.p. - Emm Gryner - Public n.r. - Tomato Red by Daniel Woodrell P.S. I just finished two wonderfully written and thoroughly enjoyable books. "Parable of the Talents" by Octavia Butler, a sequel to "Parable of the Sower," and "The Hours" by Michael Cunningham. Fabulous! - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Colford | Reading Public Library Head of Technical Services | Reading, Massachusetts colford@noblenet.org | *North of Boston Library Exchange* - -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:17:26 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Casadonte Subject: Re: Kitchens of Distinction On Wed, 30 Dec 1998, Michael Colford wrote: > If anyone cares, > here is a copmlete-as-far-as-I-know discography for the > band. > > Kitchens of Distinction: > - Love is Hell (import) > - Strange Free World (with the single, "Drive That Fast" that got > some videoplay on MTV which is how I discovered them) > - The Death of Cool > - Cowboys & Aliens > > This was their last album as Kitchens of Distinction so far and it > came out in 1993. > > Kitchens O.D. > > - Feel my Genie (import Cd single) > > Fruit > > - Hark At Her - basically a side/solo project for lead vocalist > Patrick Fitzgerald. Features a bunch of guest musicians, including > former lead singer of Lush. (I'd ask irvin for help with her name, > but I know he's in Japan!) Oh, I just remembered, Micki. > > Okay, that's it, there ain't no more! I'm intrigued enough to be interested in buying a CD or two, since I love layered music. Which one should I start off with? Any recomendations? On Tue, 29 Dec 1998, Xenu's Sister wrote: > At 11:13 AM 12/29/98 -0500, Jeff Burka wrote: > > > I'm pretty sure I was the first person to be out on ecto, > > Yep. (Though the concept of someone feeling like they're > "in" or "out" bothers me. I can't wait for the day when > someone telling others that they're gay isn't considered a > major big deal, especially by other gays, because it's really > no more a big a deal as someone saying they have gray > eyes. It's an interesting fact about a person, but no more > important than any other genetic fact. I'll be glad when the > whole concept of stating you're gay="coming out of the closet" > is as quaint as bowler hats and tea tatties.) Way back when in college, I used to do MTQs for our gay student group (MTQ == Meet The Queer - a couple of us would go into a classroom and talk about being gay, usually in conjunction with some appropriate subject matter; I've got lots of interesting stories from those sessions, and miss them terribly). Anyhow, at one of them someone asked when "we" (the gay community) would stop feeling the need to come out. I replied that, personally speaking, I would stop when the term lost it's meaning, when there was no in or out, there just was. I think it was at the same MTQ that I mentioned that I longed for the time when I forgot for a couple of days that I was gay, not (in any way, shape or form) because I was unhappy being gay, but in the sense that I didn't have to think how being gay would affect this or that situation, or comment, or whatever. I have since had several such experiences, and it's wonderful and sad at the same time. Very worthwhile, regardless. Regards, joe joc@netaxs.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Llama Fresh Farms => http://www.netaxs.com/~joc Gay Media Resource List => http://www.netaxs.com/~joc/gaymedia.html Perl for Win32 => http://www.netaxs.com/~joc/perlwin32.html PerlRing Homepage => http://www.netaxs.com/~joc/perlring.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Free, that's the message! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:35:57 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Colford Subject: Re: Kitchens of Distinction On Wed, 30 Dec 1998, Joe Casadonte wrote: > > I'm intrigued enough to be interested in buying a CD or two, since I love > layered music. Which one should I start off with? Any recomendations? Any of the three Kitchens of Distinction-proper albums are good. I haven't listened to them for a few months, but if memory serves, I might like The Death of Cool slightly better than the other too. All three have really terrific songs on them. See if you get any other opinions, but really, you can't go wrong with any of them as far as hearing what the band sounds like. > On Wed, 30 Dec 1998, Michael Colford wrote: > > Kitchens of Distinction: > > - Strange Free World (with the single, "Drive That Fast" that got > > some videoplay on MTV which is how I discovered them) > > - The Death of Cool > > - Cowboys & Aliens - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Colford | Reading Public Library Head of Technical Services | Reading, Massachusetts colford@noblenet.org | *North of Boston Library Exchange* - -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:50:05 -0600 From: Suzanne Cerquone Subject: Tim's Review of The Church I'd just like to compliment Tim on his passionate yet eloquent review of The Church's last CD. For a sixteen year old, he writes beautifully and expresses her musical likes/dislikes incredibly well. It's great to know that there are teenagers out there like Tim who are so intelligent about music and has tastes that vary beyond the normal teenager range. You've got me really intrigued and I'm putting The Church's lastest on my "CDs to buy" list. It also helps that you're a major Marillion fan! :) Also quite a coup for someone your age. And especially for being an Australian and probably not seeing them live. They enter a whole dimension after you see their live show, Tim. It's "life changing" for sure. Happy New Year to all Ectophiles! ~Suzanne <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> The Web North America web site: http://window.to/webna e-mail inquiries: WebNA@eudoramail.com <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 01:55:26 +1100 From: "Heidi Maier" Subject: the whitlams (amazing australian band) hello ecto-philes ... it's been a long, long time since i posted; for various reasons; but i've now resubbed at this account (i was subbed under another for a time) and am looking forward to getting back into the swing of things now that uni is out for summer holidays. speaking of swinging ... an amazing australian band - the whitlams - will be embarking on their first overseas tour in (tentatively) mid-april of '99. i've been a great fan of their music (and frontman - tim freedman) for many years now, and in the past year their most recent release "eternal nightcap" has become the biggest selling independent australian release of all time -> a laurel well deserved for these guys really are brilliant! at this stage, they are tentatively down to do shows in montreal and quebec in canada and philadelphia, chicago and new york in the united states -- all of this is tentative at the moment, but the second i hear anything concrete i'll post it to the list b/c i would really love for you guys to be able to check them out ... they're wonderful. *faerieblessings* heidi (soon to become known as that girl who rants about the whitlams all the damn time!) :) - --- " ... through the window i see no star something more near though deeper within darkness is entering the loneliness ... ". *in memory of ted hughes 1930 - 1998* heidi maier e-mail: toys@fan.net.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:45:31 EST From: LilWhirl@aol.com Subject: m2oh=>ani d. ....has it been said anywhere that ani is influeced by mary margaret o'hara? it seemed kind of obvious, at first. *far* from an ani fan am i, yet...well the similarities in breathing technique and phrasing on _miss america_ are most definitely NO COINCIDENCE with ani's trademark style. thanks for the help with some nyc stores. i've actually been combing st. marks for a few years.... my arms aren't nearly long enough to reach the breadth of the bins at sounds! but they are worth the recommendation, for sure. on the OUT topic: (michael stipe etc) i think that people who identify themselves in the dichotomous thinking of our western world (hetero, homo) want other people to do the same thing. especially public people, its a community thing perhaps? perfectly normal. "i did it and don't regret, why wouldn't anyone else choose not to?" some picks of the year? re-discovering lydia lunch -- they've reissued much of her back catalogue. slightly disappointed by the new edith frost (the production was too rock -- aka royal trux) - -d. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:52:49 -0800 (PST) From: Steve VanDevender Subject: sickly-sweet desmond in a tutu writes: > the only sickly-sweet thing about ecto is everybody reminded everybody else > over and over that ecto is a wonderful place! bleah bleah! ;) While writing one of those messages I had this marvelous image of the "Iron Fist of SMOE" which would enforce that sickly-sweet conformity among our ecto clique, were it not that we're voluntarily fond of each other. But then I forgot to use it. "An iron fist in a glove full of vaseline" -- Thomas Dolby ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:07:48 -0800 From: "C. K. Coney" Subject: Re: Tim's Review of The Church Suzanne, I agree with you! Thanks, Tim, for the excellent review, which piqued my curiousity enough to go and search the Church out last night. I found it at Borders on their listening station, and it is fantastic! As a former fan of Love and Rockets I immediately thought that the music of The Church is exactly the direction where I would have liked L & R to go (but Daniel Ash and company never went that way.) Thanks for turning me on to this very cutting-edge band! Carol Suzanne Cerquone wrote: > I'd just like to compliment Tim on his passionate yet eloquent review of > The Church's last CD. For a sixteen year old, he writes beautifully and > expresses her musical likes/dislikes incredibly well. It's great to know > that there are teenagers out there like Tim who are so intelligent about > music and has tastes that vary beyond the normal teenager range. > > You've got me really intrigued and I'm putting The Church's lastest on my > "CDs to buy" list. > > It also helps that you're a major Marillion fan! :) Also quite a coup > for someone your age. And especially for being an Australian and probably > not seeing them live. They enter a whole dimension after you see their > live show, Tim. It's "life changing" for sure. > > Happy New Year to all Ectophiles! > > ~Suzanne > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > The Web North America > web site: http://window.to/webna > e-mail inquiries: WebNA@eudoramail.com > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:49:26 -0500 From: Jeff Wasilko Subject: Re: sickly-sweet On Wed, Dec 30, 1998 at 10:52:49AM -0800, Steve VanDevender wrote: > desmond in a tutu writes: > > the only sickly-sweet thing about ecto is everybody reminded everybody else > > over and over that ecto is a wonderful place! bleah bleah! ;) > > While writing one of those messages I had this marvelous image of > the "Iron Fist of SMOE" which would enforce that sickly-sweet Do Not Taunt Happy Fun SMOE. - -jeff P.S. Happy New Year, almost n.p. Nan Vernon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:50:21 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Burka Subject: Re: sickly-sweet On Wed, 30 Dec 1998, Jeff Wasilko wrote: > Do Not Taunt Happy Fun SMOE. Clearly that 'commercial' on SNL lo those many years ago had a major impact on this society. jeff np: _Slide_, Lisa Germano (just finished: _The Sensual World_. I must express pity for anyone who thinks that album is lacking in any possibly way) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:06:10 -0800 (PST) From: J Wermont Subject: Re: Kitchens of Distinction > > I'm intrigued enough to be interested in buying a CD or two, since I love > > layered music. Which one should I start off with? Any recomendations? > > Any of the three Kitchens of Distinction-proper albums are good. I > haven't listened to them for a few months, but if memory serves, > I might like The Death of Cool slightly better than the other too. > All three have really terrific songs on them. As I mentioned in a previous post, I don't like most of Cowboys and Aliens, except for the title song, which I think is wonderful. Do you think I might like their other albums better? I'm not sure I can explain why I like that one song and not the others - it's been a while since I've listened to it, and I can't exactly remember what it was that bugged me about the other songs. Maybe I'll give a listen and try to figure out what's different about C&A (the song). I just want to know if the other albums are more, or less, similar to that song. Thanks, Joyce ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 00:34:26 +0100 From: Dirk Kastens Subject: Re: Tim's Review of The Church At 14:07 30.12.98 -0800, C. K. Coney wrote: >Love and Rockets I immediately thought that the music of The Church is exactly >the direction where I would have liked L & R to go (but Daniel Ash and company >never went that way.) Thanks for turning me on to this very cutting-edge band! And he never will as it seems, since Bauhaus are reunited these days. I also loved L & R and Tones On Tail. Dirk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:25:30 -0500 From: desmond in a tutu Subject: ectopics yo 'philes, so, spurred by the recent discussion, i dug out my kitchens of distinction albums and took a listen. woo! i'd forgotten how chameleons-ish kod was, especially on _love is hell_. back when i was on the chameleons list (back when it was possible to be on more than a few mailing lists at once!), kod was continually brought up as a salve to rub the wounds left by the dissolution of the chameleons. still, i think they may sound more like the sun & the moon, the first post-chameleons project by ex-frontman mark burgess. kod also reminds me of pittsburgh's finest ex-band, the affordable floors. patrick fitzgerald's voice is strikingly similar to but also because of the general vibe (thogh the floors never had the same shimmery layers in their sound). i'd be thrilled if there was anyone else here who has heard of them (and not just because i've mentioned them before!). the church's _hologram of baal_ has made a lot of 1998 top ten lists here and elsewhere. tim's eloquent review finally made me go out and get it. i've listened to it the requisite two times and must concur: it's an excellent return to form for the church. the last of theirs that i had was _priest=aura_ which, while good, never really struck me enough to play it much. i lost track after that, though i guess they've put out at least one, maybe two other records since. _baal_ will keep me paying attention though. but is it a top ten of the year? hmmm. dunno. it's not really ground-breaking as a church record or as a record in general. that's the kind of thing that i usually look for in a top ten record (assuming i actually would make a list -- hah!). regarding love-hounds. i've been a subscriber since the fall of 1989 and, despite the dismally low signal:noise ratio and the ecto alternative, will remain so. i've dropped a lot of other lists over the past couple years but i couldn't bring myself to unsub from love-hounds even if i wanted to. leaving would be like cutting off a limb. maybe it's glory days are past (both in terms of content and the spectacular flamage of yore), but it's the grandmama of nearly all music lists and i just have to respect that. do all yourselves a favor and check out the early archives of love-hounds. they really are a joy to read. (currently, you can find the compressed raw unix mailbox files at , but i am working on converting them to html for gaffaweb and hope to have them up for general use shrtly.) one of these days, i'm going to post a billion quickie reviews of the cd's piled on the desk, shelf and floor...but not right now, alas. woj n.p. kitchens of distinction -- the death of cool ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 14:32:41 +1100 From: Andrew Fries Subject: Re: Tim's Review of The Church Suzanne Cerquone wrote: > You've got me really intrigued and I'm putting The Church's lastest on my > "CDs to buy" list. And just to add my two cents, if you'd like to hear what practically amounts to The Church with a female frontperson try Margot Smith's "Taste" from early part of this year. Personally I like this one better than The Church as such. Not that I have anything against The Church - I think this is just my own preference for female voices rearing its ugly head :) - ------------------------------------------------------ A rich man who hailed from Seattle Wrote Win95 to do battle, But Mac users pity The masses not witty Enough to know Wintel's for cattle. - ------ http://www.zip.com.au/~afries/hall.html ------- ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V4 #457 **************************