From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V4 #442 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, December 18 1998 Volume 04 : Number 442 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Happy Talk on AOL ["C. K. Coney" ] Re: Cocteau success --> Happy ["C. K. Coney" ] fun fun fun till moxy took the fruvous away ["Mike Mendelson" ] katell keineg in nyc [sam ] RE: Proof (kicks ass) ["Foghorn J Fornorn" ] Re: Proof (kicks ass) ["C. K. Coney" ] Birthday list administration ["Michael Matthews" ] OOOOPS! SORRY!! ["Xenu's Sister" ] Help on Seasonal mix tape [kscleaves@juno.com (Kay S Cleaves)] Birthday lists [Michael Matthews ] Re: Milla ["Jeffrey C. Burka" ] Re: More on Dead Can Dance Breakup [Heather Russell ] songs are like tattoos... [Faerymouse@aol.com] Rock Against Romance finally launched! [queen of carrot flowers ] Re: Help on Seasonal mix tape ["Jeffrey C. Burka" ] Re: Help on Seasonal mix tape [neal copperman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:19:51 -0800 From: "C. K. Coney" Subject: Re: Happy Talk on AOL Is there any easy for way for you to cut and paste some of that Happy talk for us to enjoy who don't have AOL for whatever reason? Maybe a "best of"? Thanks! Carol Richard wrote: > In case anyone here has access to AOL- The Kate Bush board there has > had a lively Happy Rhodes thread going for the last few weeks, along > with some talk about Emily Bezar.... I guess it's finally sinking in > that KaTe is AWOL bigtime.. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:30:42 -0800 From: "C. K. Coney" Subject: Re: Cocteau success --> Happy Tim wrote: > It does seem to be a shame that such an influential group such as the > Cocteau Twins could be so underrecognised commerically, though they're > hardly the only ones. An even more extreme case would be their temporary > label-mates AR Kane, who with their first two albums "69" and "I", basically > prophesised dream-pop, trip-hop and post-rock all at once, and yet nobody's > ever heard of them except a few music historians, holier-than-though music > critics and just about every artist in those areas who's music is then > called innovative. Hmpfh! AR Kane! You're putting me in a nostalgia mood now! I agree with yer "Hmpfh"...I think it took me so long to warm up to Massive Attack's "Mezzanine" because I have two old friends, twin brothers who live in L.A. of all places (you'd assume they'd have "connections"), who were doing very much the same thing as Massive 15 years ago. I've still got their vinyl to prove it...and unfortunately, they're sitting on boxes of that vinyl still, in their garages. So, let me repeat, "Humpfh". I'd also like to add that "there oughta be a law". ;-) Now for brighter news, former Cocteau member Liz Fraser is going to be making a solo record with a '99 release. The deal is still very new & I don't have more details, but I'll certainly post more when I have it. Robin and Simon will be working on something together in '99, and I already posted that Simon is doing some stuff with Anneli Drecker. Folks who want to check out Simon and Robin's label can get news by visiting www.bellaunion.com, although not all their involvements are handled via Bella Union (for example, one of my '97 faves which I didn't acquire til '98 but could easily place in my "top ten" is Billy Mackenzie's posthumous album, "Beyond the Sun", which Simon co-produced. Billy was the former lead singer and songwriter for one of my fave 80's bands, the Associates.) That's it for now from Cocteau-land! Carol PS. One last thing...I never think of Cocteau Twins as "specialized", or more so than Happy, anyway. If they were so specialized I don't think some of their songs like "Bluebeard" or this time of year "Winter Wonderland" would be making it into that music mix they pipe into soundsystems in department stores. (Oh, the horror!) Btw, my fave band for a dozen plus years til they broke up was Cocteau Twins...how convenient of them to leave a "fave artist" space in my heart and soul for Happy to move into! :-) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:37:58 -0600 From: "Mike Mendelson" Subject: fun fun fun till moxy took the fruvous away Lots of very entertaining stuff from charley summed up here in one fruvous swoop: >So anyway. >To reiterate, MF definitely has a loyal following of serious fans, but >I do not share their enthusiasm. And it's not because of any lack of a >sense of humor or fear of fun, but because of my own seriously >considered judgment. I am, of course, as entitled to my opinion of MF >as anyone else is of Rufus Wainwright, though I'm convinced that the >Moxy Fruvous-shaped hole in my life is much smaller and less empty >than the Rufus Wainwright-shaped hole in Meth's. I'll have to say that arguing with charley on ecto is *almost* as much fun as attending a fruvous show. If you the reader have enjoyed this debate, then you will definitely enjoy moxy live. Vive la difference! You're definitely one of my favorite people to incite. Touche! - -mjmwhoLOVESspikejonesandrevengeofthenerdsanddrseussandcanadianhotshotsweari nglampshadesandfunnyhatsonstageandpretendingtheyrespiderman np: sheryl crow -- globe sessions (which I love too) Oh yeah, and Rufus Wainwright is BORING (but I like the McGarrigle Sisters, fine canadians they are). ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 08:51:48 +1100 (EST) From: Sherlyn Koo Subject: St. Louis Women's Music Fest (fwd) Hey folks, This comes from another list, might be of interest to some people here... - -sherlyn =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= a+e=ig Sherlyn Koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au [Sydney, Australia] "And the best ones were the ones I got to keep as I grew strong, And the days that opened up, until my whole life could belong..." - Dar Williams, "The Blessings" - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:29:52 -0600 From: Lorinda Wright To: INDIGO-GIRLS@NETSPACE.ORG Subject: St. Louis Women's Music Fest Hey all list folkies, that's right, you read correctly. Some folks in st louis, including Wired Women (of which i'm proud to say i'm a part) are in the process of producing the first annual st. louis women's music festival. the event is to take place in tower grove park on memorial day, 1999. (i'm not 100% positive about the date, there will be future updates.) this festival is to include a variety of local, and hopefully a couple of national female artists (such as laura love band) of several different genres including folk. as i said, it's still in the works, and that's where you come in!! we need to spread the news on this thing, so if you pick up this message and belong to the ig newsgroup, other related folk lists, or a st. louis area list PLEASE PASS THIS ON! also, we're looking for sponsorship and donations. if you know of a business (small or large) that might be interested in sponsoring such an event, please pass this on or let me know. if you're interested in getting involved and helping out, please let me know!! I'm really excited about this because st. louis has been needing something like this for a long time. if you're interested in helping out, passing on sponsoring tips, or finding out more info email me back at wright@biodec.wustl.edu most importantly, please pass this message on! thanks bunches, folks. folkisgruven, Lorindigo still driving... Lorinda Wright The trouble in my head is getting closer and closer Washington University to my legs i've got to walk it out. and the trouble St. Louis, MO with my heart is that i can't rip it out. and the trouble with myself is that i don't know me. -Melissa Ferrick I WILL NOT BE COMPLACENT - -- For information about the news-only version of this list send this command to MAJORDOMO@SMOE.ORG: INFO IG-NEWS Indigo Girls FAQ and Indigo Girls Mailing List FAQ: http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:58:57 -0500 (EST) From: sam Subject: katell keineg in nyc just wanted to let everyone in the nyc-area know about some upcoming katell keineg gigs: 12/27/98 Tonic (solo, opening for Mark Eitzel) 12/28/98 Arlene Grocery, 9pm 1/3/99 Tonic (headlining, w/band) - - sam "we are quick-change artists we girls" www.interport.net/~slambert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:16:13 -0500 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: RE: Proof (kicks ass) I gotta chime in with the contingent who like this tune a lot because it, as has been so delicately stated here, kicks ass. It grabs the listener. I think that even those that don't like it would probably have to admit that when they first heard MWABT, it is one song that demanded to be be noticed... and remembered. I've played MWABT for a few people who are not familiar with Happy's music. As their tastes are more mundane - er- mainstream than, say, an ecto subscribers, I watch them as they listen. They seem initially impressed and interested, but their typical mainstream short attention span kicks in, and they'll begin to chat more than listen, or find something to read, or lapse into a coma, or something. Proof invariably pulls their attention back to the music. I think there's a lesson here relevant to the recent musings on stardom, popularity, making music for a living, etc. Proof should have been (and still could be) the single from MWABT. It can draw people to the music. Learning the depth of that artist's ouvre is, of course, left as an exercise to the listener (and hopefully, buyer). And for future reference - although Happy is certainly not one to rehash tried formulas in her work - the style, the feel, the punch, the grab of a song like Proof is worth revisiting. Not a whole album's worth, of course, but there is commercial appeal in the dance mix beat that Proof, more than any other HR piece, offers. This is the kind of tune that a lot of people could like a lot. I've mentioned before here how I think the David Bowie influence is real strong in Proof. At the Troy show, Happy mentioned Bowie in her (brief) intro to this song. I think she said "This song is inspired by David Bowie" but I'm not sure I heard "is inspired by" or something else. Anyone with better ears and/or memory know? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 18:52:18 -0800 From: "C. K. Coney" Subject: Re: Proof (kicks ass) Foghorn J Fornorn wrote: > I gotta chime in with the contingent who like this tune a lot because it, as > has been so delicately stated here, kicks ass. It grabs the listener. I > think that even those that don't like it would probably have to admit that > when they first heard MWABT, it is one song that demanded to be be > noticed... and remembered. > > I've played MWABT for a few people who are not familiar with Happy's music. > As their tastes are more mundane - er- mainstream than, say, an ecto > subscribers, I watch them as they listen. They seem initially impressed and > interested, but their typical mainstream short attention span kicks in, and > they'll begin to chat more than listen, or find something to read, or lapse > into a coma, or something. Proof invariably pulls their attention back to > the music. > > I think there's a lesson here relevant to the recent musings on stardom, > popularity, making music for a living, etc. Proof should have been (and > still could be) the single from MWABT. It can draw people to the music. > Learning the depth of that artist's ouvre is, of course, left as an exercise > to the listener (and hopefully, buyer). And for future reference - although > Happy is certainly not one to rehash tried formulas in her work - the style, > the feel, the punch, the grab of a song like Proof is worth revisiting. Not > a whole album's worth, of course, but there is commercial appeal in the > dance mix beat that Proof, more than any other HR piece, offers. This is the > kind of tune that a lot of people could like a lot. Yes, yes, yes..."what *he* said! > I've mentioned before here how I think the David Bowie influence is real > strong in Proof. At the Troy show, Happy mentioned Bowie in her (brief) > intro to this song. I think she said "This song is inspired by David Bowie" > but I'm not sure I heard "is inspired by" or something else. Anyone with > better ears and/or memory know? I wasn't there, but yes, I do hear the Bowie influence, now that you mention it. Not derivative of Bowie, but definitely inspiration there, from Bowie's later, funky-beat era. Not that there's any influence on Happy here, but it flashed into my mind that throughout MWABT I hear glimmers of synthesized effects reminiscent (to me at least) of what Mark Clifford has done with Seefeel and with Cocteau Twins during their last days recording and touring. (Mark also joined CT on the Milk and Kisses tour.) I love his sound, and I like Seefeel a whole lot...so this is probably another reason why MWABT grabbed me instantaneously and is my top pick for '98. Carol ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 19:25:08 -0500 From: "Michael Matthews" Subject: Birthday list administration Since at least one person admitted to reading the birthday list ( :-) ), and I now have a working Internet connection again, I'm going to do a sanity check on the list tonight. If you don't get an Email that states you're on the birthday list and you want to be (or you thought you were), please send me an Email. Obviously, if you get the Email but don't want to be on the list, let me know. If you *do* want to be on the list and you *do* want to stay on, well, great! Means I did something right... (I suppose, to be mathematically complete, if you don't get an Email and you don't want to be on the list, that's cool too) but anyway. - ----------- Mike Matthews, Mike@Matthews.net http://mike.matthews.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 06:06:51 -0600 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: OOOOPS! SORRY!! Oh well HELL, I just sent a personal letter to Sharon to the list. I forgot to change the address. Argh. Sorry sorry sorry! Vickie (slap myself silly) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Dec 1998 03:28:37 -0600 From: kscleaves@juno.com (Kay S Cleaves) Subject: Help on Seasonal mix tape Hey folks, me again-- Seeing as it is the giving season, I've been trying to put together a mix of ectophilic xmas music to give to a few friends and relations when I go home. I've put together a few songs, but am looking for help on others that might work--any suggestions would be welcome (and if I don't have the stuff, it's a good excuse to go out and find it.) Here's what I've got so far... O holy night--Happy December will be magic again--Kate Are You Burning, Little Candle?--Jane Through the Bitter Frost and Snow--Susan McKeown/Lindsay Horner River--Either the original or Holly Cole's cover Merry Xmas Mr. Jones--The Nields If You're not Dead--Ratsy Fairytale of New York--The Pogues w/ Kirsty MacColl The Christians and the Pagans--Dar Williams That will cover about one side of the tape. Can anyone help me fill the other side? I know I've probably missed some obvious ones, or some not so obvious...Any help is appreciated! Thanks-- - --Kay np: still Milla ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:24:00 -0500 From: Michael Matthews Subject: Birthday lists Kay Cleaves writes: > Hey folks-- > Seeing that it is Milla's birthday today (some of us read the birthday > list...), I was wondering if anyone has heard (of even heard [....] I'm glad *someone* reads it. :-) :-) :-) On a related note, I will be sending out another birthday list ping, to update the birthday list, hopefully this weekend (it would have been done last night, but, well, my cable modem fried itself yet again... "the lights are on, but nobody's home"). If you don't receive a note saying you're on the list by, say, Wednesday, send me Email (mike@matthews.net) to get on it. > --Kay - ----- Michael Matthews, Systems Administrator/Resident Geek ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:04:49 -0500 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: Milla Kay sez: > Seeing that it is Milla's birthday today (some of us read the birthday > list...), I was wondering if anyone has heard (of even heard of) her new > cd, the Peopletree Sessions. I just received it a few days ago, and it's > spinning right now. I saw a few mentions of it a while back, and just > thought I'd offer first opinions. "Good music to space out to and occasionally groove to" seems like faint praise to me. Do you like it? Is it too soon to tell? You're right that there were a few mentions of it a while back (seems like August, maybe?), and a whole bunch of us immediately bopped over to peopletree.com and listened to the samples that were available. From the response afterward on ecto, this would seem to be one of those relatively rare occurences where an artist made a huge mistake in making samples available online before the album's release -- there were a *lot* of ectophiles who would have rushed out to buy a new Milla album sound-unheard, who listened to the samples online and said, "Ugh, we'll just stick with the good album." From what I recall of the samples, *this* was the music that people should have been referring to when they kept calling Tori's BfP "masturbatory." jeff (wondering if, indeed, the recent Milla album did turn out to be worthwhile...) np: mwabt. just finished, _tidal_. mwabt wins hands down, of course, but _tidal_'s groovy nonetheless. and I *like* fiona's voice. - -- |Jeffrey C. Burka|||||http://www.cqi.com/~jburka|||||"I've got time to rest / | ||||||||||||||| And I've got a clear, able mind that sees my life going fine. | ||| 'Cause everything I need is right here in my hands..." --Melissa Ferrick | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:18:38 -0500 From: Heather Russell Subject: Re: More on Dead Can Dance Breakup > > Hey, does anyone like Brendan Perry? I sure do! > Not as much as Lisa G...but I'll be thrilled to > hear and buy his solo work. Yes, indeedy. I love Brendan Perry and can't wait to hear his solo album, and I'm very sad to hear they've broken up. Does he have any other solo albums? I remember about 3 or 4 years ago hearing a song on college radio that the DJ said was off a 7" of some sort... - - heather - -- |*********************************************************| | Heather Russell | | My music site: http://www.freecloud.com/heather | | The Mending Wall: http://www.unc.edu/~gumption/tmw.html | | Email: hrussellatbellsouthdotnet | |_________________________________________________________| "I'm in favor of love as long as it doesn't happen when 'The Simpsons' is on television." --- Anita, age 6 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:18:50 -0500 From: Stuart Myerburg Subject: Re: Help on Seasonal mix tape Kay S Cleaves wrote: > O holy night--Happy > December will be magic again--Kate > Are You Burning, Little Candle?--Jane > Through the Bitter Frost and Snow--Susan McKeown/Lindsay Horner > River--Either the original or Holly Cole's cover > Merry Xmas Mr. Jones--The Nields > If You're not Dead--Ratsy > Fairytale of New York--The Pogues w/ Kirsty MacColl > The Christians and the Pagans--Dar Williams How about: Home for Christmas - Kate Bush Frosty the Snowman - Cocteau Twins Winter Wonderland - Cocteau Twins Feels Like Christmas - Cyndi Lauper Winter Wonderland - Eurythmics The Coventry Carol - Alison Moyet Winter - Tori Amos Hockey - Jane Siberry 2000 Miles - The Pretenders Song for a Winter's Night - Sarah McLachlan That's all I can think of at the moment. Stuart np: The Keep - Happy Rhodes (all this talk of it really made me want to hear it again) nr: Nymphomation - Jeff Noon - -- ______________________________________________ Stuart Myerburg http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~stuart ______________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 21:41:08 EST From: Faerymouse@aol.com Subject: songs are like tattoos... Hi all you nice peeps... I've been lurking here for awhile (posting occasionally) and now I am just gonna jump in and tell a little story... I got a tattoo today, of the dove with bat wings from the liner notes of the Equipoise CD. :D The guy who did it for me did a FABULOUS job, it looks gorgeous. I got it done on my shoulder blade, it looks really neat. He thought it was a really neat design and asked me where I found it, so I had to tell him all about Happy of course. ;D He took a picture of it as well to put on the wall at the studio. I plan on having a friend take a picture of my shoulder, so if anyone is interested enough to want to see how it looks, I'd be happy to scan it and e- mail it to them. :) - - Siobhan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:04:32 -0500 (EST) From: queen of carrot flowers Subject: Rock Against Romance finally launched! Hey everybody -- I just wanted to let everyone know that the first issue of my webzine, ROCK AGAINST ROMANCE, has hit the proverbial online newsstands. (Okay, almost hit -- I still have to upload one or two pictures onto my machine from others' sites. Apologies in advance.) Check here for some nice articles on local artists and others, and let me know what you think. I'm turning it in tomorrow for a grade in my communications class, so wish me luck! Go to: http://i.am/modpixie See you there -- C. - --- Chelsea the mod pixie tugboat@channel1.com http://i.am/modpixie "I'd like to be a gallery and put you all inside my show..." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:07:56 -0500 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: RE: Help on Seasonal mix tape Well, there's always The Waitresses "Christmas Wrapping"... Loreena McKennitt has two full seasonal releases, "To Drive the Cold Winter Away" and "A Winter Garden" (an EP). I've included "The King" from the former and both "Snow" and "God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen" from the latter on my own xmas collections. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 22:17:32 -0500 From: Paul Kim Subject: gone on x-mas break bye kids. play nice. if anyone feels like contacting me while i'm home in maryland, you can email me at paul2k@aol.com see you on the other side of the new year :) Paul "la la la, la la la la, don't touch me!" Kim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:53:35 -0500 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: Help on Seasonal mix tape Stuart Myerburg sez: > nr: Nymphomation - Jeff Noon How truly odd. About 3 hours ago, I happened to pick up my copy of _Pollen_ and wondered to myself whether he'd ever put out another novel. Of course, I was too lazy to bother looking online -- though a quick check of Amazon just now shows me it wouldn't have helped; they're still only listing _Vurt_, _Pollen_, and _Automated Alice_. So what's the scoop on _Nymphomation_? jeff - -- |Jeffrey C. Burka|||||http://www.cqi.com/~jburka|||||"I've got time to rest / | ||||||||||||||| And I've got a clear, able mind that sees my life going fine. | ||| 'Cause everything I need is right here in my hands..." --Melissa Ferrick | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 23:40:24 -0700 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: Help on Seasonal mix tape At 3:28 AM -0600 12/18/98, Kay S Cleaves wrote: >That will cover about one side of the tape. Can anyone help me fill the >other side? I know I've probably missed some obvious ones, or some not >so obvious...Any help is appreciated! Thanks-- Hmmmm, didn't Mary Margaret O'Hara have a Christmas disc too? It's something I have in the back of my head, thinking I should track it down and buy it, assuming it really exists. Last week I picked up a Kristen Hersh single called The Holy Single that contains Jesus Christ, Amazing Grace, Sinkhole, Can The Circle Be Unbroken. Jesus Christ is a Big Star cover that was also covered by Voice of the Beehive on their first disc, and probably others too. When I was shopping I saw but didn't buy the 2 Tori import Spark singles ($10 a pop). One of them had a version of Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas on it. Dzintars, a Russian(?) vocal ensemble that is stunningly beautiful has these songs (Christmas Masquerade (Mummery Song) and Oi Hanuke) on their fine album songs of amber (on Ryko). Winter, Fire & Snow: Songs for the Holiday Season (Atlantic) is practically the sampler you are looking for. Course, you could probably cut out half of it, whatever your tastes are. But it does have Are You Burning Little Candle (Jane Siberry), December 24th (Julia Fordham) and the lovely title cut by Anuna. Most of these are available in other places. Count Your Blessings by Jane Siberry, Mary Margaret O'Hara, Holly Cole and Victoria Williams is also chock full of holiday fun (as is Jane's Child). Christmas by Lori Carson on Where It Goes. Thanks for Christmas - XTC on Bag & Bone Buffet. Happy Holidays - Wendy Maharry on her self titled debut. heh heh - there's always Christmas from the Who's Tommy and Father Christmas by the Kinks (didn't think I had those in me, did you?) Ok, that's all I can find... neal np: Veda Hille at the CoCo Club (souveneirs of San Francisco) ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V4 #442 **************************