From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V4 #408 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, November 20 1998 Volume 04 : Number 408 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: help with cd [J Wermont ] Re: sixdegrees [J Wermont ] Re: help with cd [Maggie Young ] more duets [queen of carrot flowers ] Re: more duets [J Wermont ] guest vocalists [peskura@scn.org (Michael G. Peskura)] Re: help with cd [Ofer Inbar ] Re: guest vocals [Hiptones@aol.com] Re: more duets [Jeff Burka ] Re: help with cd ["Kevin Pease" ] Re: guest vocalists [Mark Lowry ] Re: Duets (was Re: help with cd) ["Jeffrey C. Burka" ] Hedwig and the Angry Inch [Mark Lowry ] Imogen Heap Westcoast Tour dates [peskura@scn.org (Michael G. Peskura)] Re: help with cd [Michael Curry ] Neile's discoveries [Andrew Fries ] re: help with cd [neal copperman ] re: straight to the point [neal copperman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:48:06 -0800 (PST) From: J Wermont Subject: Re: help with cd > Or Natalie Merchant and Michael Stipe (I think) doing a live version of > "To Sir, With Love". Beautiful song, beautifully done! It was on a CD > single (circa the election year that 10,000 Maniacs performed for the > Prez). If you want it for your CD but can't find it, I could loan you > mine.... I thought this was part of a pro-choice benefit compilation. I can't remember the name of it, though. Or am I thinking of something else? Joyce ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:51:29 -0800 (PST) From: J Wermont Subject: Re: sixdegrees > Hey, I'm on sixdegrees too! This is starting to get spooky! Heh... but isn't that the point? Not to spook us, but to point out that we *are* all just related by 6 degrees? Actually, I had a lot of trouble getting onto it. A friend of mine tried to invite me, but I couldn't get past the last screen, the one where you add new contacts. It kept rejecting my submission, and I never did figure out what the problem was, nor did the folks at sixdegrees (who did not seem particularly interested in helping me fix it). Joyce ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 13:00:15 -0800 (PST) From: Maggie Young Subject: Re: help with cd > Or Natalie Merchant and Michael Stipe (I think) doing a live version of > "To Sir, With Love". Beautiful song, beautifully done! It was on a CD > single (circa the election year that 10,000 Maniacs performed for the > Prez). If you want it for your CD but can't find it, I could loan you > mine.... Joyce asks: >>I thought this was part of a pro-choice benefit compilation. I can't >>remember the name of it, though. Or am I thinking of something else? Maybe, 'cause there is an REM with Natalie Merchant teamup called "Photograph" on "Born To Choose" (which I guess would make another recommendation; I'm fond of that song.) Maggie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:21:32 -0500 (EST) From: queen of carrot flowers Subject: more duets >Shiny Happy People by REM with Kate Pierson? (Not one of my favorites) How about "Me In Honey" from the same album? Here are a few more that I was thinking of...Don't know if the first two will count, since both of the "guest vocals" are actually members of the bands, but they'll do in a pinch I s'pose. "Wise Up" by the Waitresses (featuring guitarist/songwriter Chris Butler) "Always Room for One More, Honey" by Game Theory (featuring singer/writer/guitarist Donnette Thayer) "The Softest Tip of Her Baby Tounge" by Loud Family featuring Louise Post "Me Too" by Ned Rifle & Jim Coleman feat. Lydia Kavanaugh "Girl, You Really Got Me" by Sugar feat. Lynda Stipe (?) "Beer & Kisses" by Amy Rigby featuring John Wesley Harding Track 9 from "The Devil Glitch" by Chris Butler featuring Michael Baker "Mohammed My Friend" by Tori Amos featuring Maynard TOOL "Mrs Brown, You've Got a Lovely Daughter" by Phranc featuring Madigan Shive "Two People" by Hub Moore featuring Lydia Kavanaugh "Misanthropic Man" by Debby Schwartz featuring Joan Osborne Once again, I feel like there should be more...I could swear there was a live Raincoats tune the Kurdt Cobain sang on, for one thing. But that's all I have for now. Oh yes, and Joyce wanted to know where "Dio" came from (and Irvin probably already answered her), but it's off of Throwing Muses' album _Red Heaven_. And boy o boy is it ever amazing. - ---- Chelsea, the mod pixie home: away: tugboat@channel1.com odyshape@hotmail.com "I started out as a missionary, but I couldn't find a religion which didn't promise things to some people at the exclsion of others. The personal voyage into that kind of light shouldn't be denied to anybody." -- Patti Smith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 13:27:45 -0800 (PST) From: J Wermont Subject: Re: more duets >> Shiny Happy People by REM with Kate Pierson? (Not one of my favorites) I like this song a lot, and one of the things I like best about it is Kate Pierson's vocals. > Oh yes, and Joyce wanted to know where "Dio" came from (and Irvin probably > already answered her), but it's off of Throwing Muses' album _Red Heaven_. > And boy o boy is it ever amazing. Oh, one of the few TM albums I don't have! Maybe it's time to change that. Thanks for the info. Joyce ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:05:15 -0800 (PST) From: peskura@scn.org (Michael G. Peskura) Subject: guest vocalists To the list should be added one of my all-time favorite songs, "Kingdom of Rain" from the "Mind Bomb" album by The The. It's not a very happy song, but Sinead O'Connor does a beautiful job behind Matt Johnson. You know, i should have added that one to the saddest-songs thread. - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael G Peskura email: peskura@scn.org Seattle USA 47 36 23 N, 122 19 51 W - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:57:34 -0500 (EST) From: Ofer Inbar Subject: Re: help with cd Mark Lowry wrote: > I'm making a CD as a birthday present for a friend. It's an annual thing > I do (of course the format was cassette before the CDR came along). Each > year I come up with a theme. This year it's "guest vocals," meaning a > song by an artist in which another artist joins in on the vocals. At > least one of the artists should be of Ecto nature, and both artists have > to input vocals (so something like Evelyn Glennie + Bjork would be out). various tracks from Hector Zazou, Songs from the Cold Seas various tracks from Cry, Cry, Cry (Dar Williams, Richard Shindell, Lucy Kaplansky) Jim's Big Ego w/Jennifer Kimball, "Jumblies", on Don't Get Smart (Jennifer Kimball has a lot of other great guest spots on albums with Patty Larkin, Carrie Newcomer, Catie Curtis, Ellis Paul, ...) Kukuruza w/Maura O'Connell, "Gornitsa", on Crossing Borders The Oyster Band w/Christine Collister(?), "The Oxford Girl", on Wide Blue Yonder The Klezmatics w/moxy fruvous, "Man In A Hat", on Jews With Horns The Klezmatics w/Chava Alberstam, The Well (pick any track) Zap Mama w/Michael Franti (Spearhead), "Poetry Man", on Seven The Oyster Band w/June Tabor, "Mississippi" on Freedom and Rain (or any other track on this album) The Nields w/Dar Williams, "Lovely Rita" on Gotta Get Over Greta (2nd ed) Don't know how ecto-ish any of these people are, but I really love this: Mark O'Connor w/Travis Tritt, Johnny Cash, Charlie Daniels, Marty Stuart, "The Devil Comes Back to Georgia", a sequel to the original Charlie Daniels song. In this version, you really can believe the fiddler is good enough to beat the devil :) (Some of you may remember I listed Mark O'Connor as God of the Fiddle in the pantheon thread a while back). This song is on Mark O'Connor's album "Heroes", in which each track features at least one guest musician, but most of the other tracks are either instrumentals or only have one person singing. np: The Tannahill Weavers (self titled), Hedera Records, 1979/1993 -- Cos (Ofer Inbar) -- cos@leftbank.com cos@cs.brandeis.edu -- The Left Bank Operation -- lbo@leftbank.com http://www.leftbank.com "I'm addicted to stress that's the way that I get things done if I'm not under pressure then I sleep too long and I hang around like a bum I think I'm going nowhere and that makes me nervous..." -- Jim Infantino, "Stress" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:09:27 EST From: Hiptones@aol.com Subject: Re: guest vocals *DELURKIMG COMMENCING* 'Lo all, "Calling All Angels" Jane Siberry/kd lang Chad *LURK MODE ENGAGED* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:17:44 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Burka Subject: Re: more duets On Thu, 19 Nov 1998, J Wermont wrote: > >> Shiny Happy People by REM with Kate Pierson? (Not one of my favorites) > > I like this song a lot, and one of the things I like best about it is > Kate Pierson's vocals. Blech. Worst song on _Out of Time_, in my opinion. But then there's also "Me In Honey" from the same album, and didn't she also do vocals on the REM song on the _Until the End of the World_ soundtrack? ("Octave", I think, is the name of it). And of course, this brings to mind another phenomenal Kate Pierson appearance: "Candy" by Iggy Pop. Oh, and didn't the two of 'em duet on a song for the original _Red Hot + Blue_ compilation? Others that have come to mind today include Shawn Colvin doing vox on the third Bruce Hornsby and the Range album, not to mention _Solitude Standing_, and of course, Suzanne Vega doing vox on Shawn's first album, most noticeably the BVs on "Diamond in the Rough." Betty put in an appearance with the Klezmatics on "Fisherlid", from _Jews With Horns_. Wasn't there a Rush song on which Aimee Mann did vox? (it was from _Hold Your Fire_, as I recall). There's a Carrie Newcomer track featuring...er...if I say Jennifer Kimball, it's going to turn out to be Jonatha Brooke, isn't it? That's on _The Bird Or the Wing_. jeff np: Tull 20th Anniversary box set disc 1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 17:42:03 -0500 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: Re: help with cd Hi Mark, If you can get your hands on a copy of "Between Us" by Jules Shear (with guests), you might be interested in some of the tracks on that CD... I picked it up because I saw Patty Griffin was on one of the tracks, and wanted to hear how it sounded. Turns out there's some other good songs on there, too, and I guess at least a few of the guests are "ecto-ish"... I'm not 100% jazzed on Jules' vocals, but there are some good songs on here. If you're interested, here's the tracklist: 1. The Last In Love (with Paula Cole) 2. Who's Dreaming Who (with Rosanne Cash) 3. It's All Over But The Smoke (with Ron Sexsmith) 4. Restaurant Scene (with Susan Cowsill) 5. Windows & Walls (with Patty Griffin) 6. On These Wheels Again (with Suzzy Roche) 7. Betrayal Takes Two (with Angie Hart) 8. Entre Nous (Between Us) (with Rob Wasserman) 9. Revenge (with Freedy Johnston) 10. How Many Times (with Carole King) 11. Let's Go Slow (with Rob Shear) 12. The Same Sad Smile (with Curtis Stigers) 13. Fear To Be Right (with Mary Ramsey) 14. Sealed Up hollow (with Margo Timmins) 15. You Might As Well Pray (with Amy Rigby) Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net ICQ UIN: 3106063 AOL IM: kbpease http://www.crosswinds.net/boston/~kbpease/ "Today my heart is big and sore / Trying to push right through my skin / Won't see you any more / I guess that's finally sinking in / 'Cause you can't make somebody see / With the simple words you say / All the beauty from within / Sometimes they just look away..." ---(patty griffin, "goodbye")--- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:16:34 -0600 From: Mark Lowry Subject: Re: guest vocalists Michael G. Peskura wrote: > To the list should be added one of my all-time favorite songs, > "Kingdom of Rain" from the "Mind Bomb" album by The The. > > It's not a very happy song, but Sinead O'Connor does a beautiful job > behind Matt Johnson. > > You know, i should have added that one to the saddest-songs thread. Yes, that was on my original post ... it's one of the first songs I thought of when the idea for this project came to me. The song that actually gave me the idea was Kristin Hersh + Michael Stipe = Your Ghost And yes, "Kingdom of Rain" is such a lovely and sad song. Easily one of my favorite songs ever. And speaking of The The, there's also "Slow Train to Dawn" with Neneh Cherry, which I also love. And speaking of Neneh, there's her with Tricky on "Together Now." The album that's on, Nearly God (which is basically Tricky), has several duets ... he sings with Bjork and Alison Moyet. Most of the songs feature Martine Topley-Bird, who is the female who sings with him all the time anyway. Thanks everyone for giving me a TON of ideas ... maybe I'll make it a double album. Of course, I don't have half the things mentioned here, and there's a lot of things I do have that I forgot about (such as Jane + kd = Calling All Angels; Kirsty Maccol + Pogues = Miss Otis Regrets ... which also brings to mind the Debbie Harry/Iggy Pop thing on _Red Hot & Blue_) ... and several things I didn't even know about (Shawn Colvin sings BV on Suzanne Vega's "Luka.") Ofer Inbar wrote: > Don't know how ecto-ish any of these people are, but I really love > this: Mark O'Connor w/Travis Tritt, Johnny Cash, Charlie Daniels, > Marty Stuart, "The Devil Comes Back to Georgia", a sequel to the > original Charlie Daniels song. In this version, you really can > believe the fiddler is good enough to beat the devil :) (Some of you > may remember I listed Mark O'Connor as God of the Fiddle in the > pantheon thread a while back). This song is on Mark O'Connor's album > "Heroes", in which each track features at least one guest musician, > but most of the other tracks are either instrumentals or only have one > person singing. That sounds like such fun. I'll keep an eye out. I admit that I like a lot of country music, and not just the Americana, classic country and Y'allternative stuff, but also some of that cheesy Nashville over-produced fluff. I like Garth's earlier albums (isn't someone on this list a Garth fan?), and I like Shania ONLY because her music has a good beat and you can dance to it. There, I said it. I love to C&W dance ... I can three-step with the best of 'em. Hey, I'm in Texas. But back to the point. The Mark O'Connor post reminded me that I forgot to think about stuff from some of my C+W albums. Oh wait, I'M the one who said at least one artist had to be of Ecto nature ... but maybe exceptions can be made ... such as Kelly Willis and Gary Louris (Jayhawks) on "What World Are You Living In." And I'm sure there's something cool on one of my Dwight Yoakam or Steve Earle albums. And there's a bunch of stuff on Nanci Griffith's "Other Voices Other Rooms." Margo Timmins has several duets with Robert Earl Keen on his "Picnic" album ... but I already mentioned "Then Came Lo Mein" -- a *great* song. In reading all the responses to the thread, I'm wondering why the two people mentioned the most -- Sinead O'Connor and Michael Stipe, haven't worked together. Or have they? In other news, I was in a used CD shop today and found some great deals, including Syd Straw's _Surprise_ (with "Future 40's w/ Stipe), and Milla's _Divine Comedy_, and kristen barry's _the beginning.the middle.the end._ (each cd was only $1.99!!). Again, thanks everyone (but that doesn't mean the suggestions can stop) Oh! Another one I forgot is Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds + Kylie Minogue = Where the Wild Roses Grow. Never was a fan of hers, but this is such a terrific and sad song. I guess it's because it's on *his* album. Mark n.p. Wire _154_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:21:00 -0500 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: Duets (was Re: help with cd) stunning@tezcat.com wrote: > >> > "Never Get Old" -- Sinead O'Connor & Enya > Well, I've had that album since it was released and didn't know that Enya > sang on it. I thought this was a special new recording of Never Get Old. > The word "ENYA" probably didn't enter my conciousness until many years > after the Lion & the Cobra came out. Actually, I half lied. Turns out that Enya is called just that in the LatC liner notes ("enya speaks on never get old"). But I was right about remembering seeing her name in there -- there's a thank you to Eithne ni Bhraonain. The album actually came out the same year as Enya's first, _Enya_, which was basically music from a BBC series _The Celts_ (and later re-released under that title). Strangely, in either late '88 or very early '89, I heard "Oronoco Flow" for the first time and immediately dashed out to pick up the disc. Later that evening, a friend (who was a huge fan of Sinead's) was walking by my dorm room and I pulled him in and told him that he had to hear this amazing new artist, Enya. He flippantly made some comment about "Oh, yeah, I have first album." Stupidly, I didn't believe him 'til he dragged me down to *his* dorm room and pulled out _Enya_. I felt *very* silly. Then yelled at him for not loaning me the disc. Anyway, a lot of friends make fun of me for being an obssessive liner note reader, but there are times it helps or is at least moderately interesting. For instance, also in the liner notes to LatC, there's a thank you to roma and nicky -- presumably Roma and Nicky Ryan. Roma writes Enya's lyrics and Nicky produces her. jeff np _Enya_ - -- |Jeffrey C. Burka | http://www.cqi.com/~jburka | "I've got time to rest / | | And I've got a clear, able mind that sees my life going fine. | | 'Cause everything I need is right here in my hands..." --Melissa Ferrick | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:38:40 -0600 From: Mark Lowry Subject: Hedwig and the Angry Inch I'm sooo thrilled. I got my new Rolling Stone today and there's a story on "Hedwig and the Angry Inch," which I saw off-Broadway this year, and thought it was the most fabulous thing I've seen in a long, long time. Good story by David Fricke, and a terrific picture of James Cameron Mitchell in full-out drag as his character Hedwig. If anyone hasn't seen it (the rock musical, not the magazine article), it's a must. Mark n.p. PJ Harvy _Is This Desire?_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:52:45 -0800 (PST) From: peskura@scn.org (Michael G. Peskura) Subject: Imogen Heap Westcoast Tour dates This seems to be the latest info regarding the West Coast leg of Imogen Heap's tour: 20th Nov Cafe du Nord, 2170 Market St, SF CA 8:00pm $5 21st Nov Aladdin Theater, 3017 SE Milwaukee, Portland OR 8:45pm $10 22nd Nov Baltic Room, 1207 Pine, Seattle WA 9:00 pm $7 23rd Nov Chameleon Urban Lounge, 801 W Georgia, Vacouver BC 8:00pm $7 25th Nov Cubberly Community College, 4000 Middlefield Rd, Palo Alto CA 9:30pm $6 27th Nov Cafe du Nord, 2170 Market St, SF CA 8:00pm $5 28th Nov 815L, 815 L St, Sacramento, CA 7:00pm $8 Thanks to www.imogenheap.com. - -- - ------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael G Peskura email: peskura@scn.org Seattle USA 47 36 23 N, 122 19 51 W - ------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:00:45 -0500 From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: help with cd At 10:55 PM 11/18/98 -0800, Bill wrote: >How about Natalie Merchant and another woman whose name escapes me now, >the second to the last track in the "Ophelia" dics; nice cover a-la duet >of a traditional song; love both voices. Since I didn't notice anyone else answer this one, that other voice belongs to Karen Peris of The Innocence Mission. Of course, I don't own the CD myself, so the Natalie/Karen duet might not be the same track you're referring to. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:01:23 +1100 From: Andrew Fries Subject: Neile's discoveries Neile recently mentioned two artists I have never heard of before: Sara Ayers and Margot O'Breslin... Well, I visited their websites and now I'm going to order a CD from both of them. My credit card starts to tremble whenever I get on the Net! Anyhow, do check them out and if you like what you hear enough to order a disk or two, just send the bill to Neile - it was her fault after all :) Sara: Margot: n.p: Cat Power - Moon Pix. Reading the notes I just noticed with some suprise that this CD was in fact recorded in Australia! __________________________________________________ "What the public wants is called politically unrealistic.Translated into English, that means power and privilege are opposed to it. " Noam Chomsky http://www.zip.com.au/~afries/hall.html __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:50:41 -0700 From: neal copperman Subject: re: help with cd At 10:12 AM -0800 11/19/98, Drew Harrington wrote: >I don't have the CD handy, and can't remember the name of the song, but >there's a Peter Gabriel guest vocal on Joy Askew's "Tender City". I'm Still Looking For Home. Also, PG does a nice duet with Toni CHilds on The Woman's Boat. And more Sinead appearances (man, is she the queen of cool guest vocals or what) Heroine - The Captive soundtrack (by The Edge, and Michael Brook) Visions of You - on Jah Wabble & the Invaders of the Heart "Rising Above Bedlam" disc. Neal np: Pepper Acton - marrow nr: Cold Mountain - Charles Frasier The Great Smokey Mountains: The Story Behind The Pictures (Park service book... great pictures, terrible writing) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:45:42 -0700 From: neal copperman Subject: re: straight to the point At 10:28 AM -0800 11/19/98, Neile Graham wrote: >You know, one thing that I never said which is something important to me in >terms of this discussion is that I have never yet come across lyrics (with >the exception of some traditional ballads) that I would want to read as >works of literature. For me the music is integral to the experience of >appreciating lyrics. I'd typically agree with that, but there are always a few exceptions. I'm pretty sure I'd enjoy reading Jane SIberry's When I Was A Boy (though not as much as I enjoy listening ot it). And some of the lyricist I mentioned before (Richard Shindell, Joni Mitchell, Dar Williams) have songs that read wonderfully. (Course, I don't have a single one of those discs with me here.) I think Richard's "Are You Happy Now" is full of such amazing imagery. And I remember some time ago, Jeff Hanson sent to Susan and I the lyrics of Dar's "When I Was A Boy". I'm sure I'd heard it before, but to sit down and read it, wow. >And you're right, it is a big difference. I don't need to understand >something rationally to access the emotion. Sometimes I find it better not >to, as sometimes what spurs the emotion seems trivial compared to the >emotion it evokes. > >An example of this for me is Paula Cole's line "you call me a bitch in >heat/and I call you a liar". She repeats and repeats this line with such >ferocity that once I listened to the lyrics it ruined the song for me--she >seemed so riled up about something so trivial that I start to think she's >overreacting--if she'd just varied the lyrics there instead of repeating >that line, the song would have worked me for. Weird, eh? This ties in with the thread from some months ago about the musical moments that send tingles up your spine. For most people, those moments seem to have come from something other than the lyrics, the way someone's voice cracked or a combination of sounds. For me, some of the moments that are the most amazing of Jewel's, and the ones that touch me the most, seem relatively divorced to the lyrics. Just the way she sings Aaaangel on Angel Needs A Ride, is so full of hope and promise, and the despair in the lines Been Down So Long, the way she draws out all those oh's. Which leads nicely to.... At 12:33 PM -0800 11/19/98, J Wermont wrote: >So, maybe I'm rejecting her a little unfairly - maybe if I listened >more closely I'd appreciate some of her lyrics, I don't know. But her >voice grates on me - it's so little-girl sweet that I don't want to >hear more. Which is one of the big pities of the marketing of Jewel. Her voice is amazingly versatile. All of my favorite songs dip into her lower register, and are embued with so much emotion. One of the things that totally amazed me seeing Jewel in the early days, was that some of her songs were written and sung far beyond what it seemed like this 19-year old surfer girl should know about. All the little girl sweet stuff came across more as an aside, another angle that made up the whole, like all the silliness that balanced the earnestness. I used to provide tapes of Jewel from her coffeehouse days to people to prove those points, and pretty much everyone on ecto who was a fan from the earliest times prefers those tapes over the album material that you've heard. But it gets kind of old to try to convince people that there is more there. Especially since, barring knowing people in the know, you are stuck with what the record companies have put out there, which is such a small part of the picture. Hmmmm, I think I was raving for a bit. Neal np: Pepper Acton - marrow (this does indeed sound quite intriguing. My first listen, and doing it while writing e-mail is always split attention.) ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V4 #408 **************************