From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V4 #407 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, November 19 1998 Volume 04 : Number 407 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: help with cd [Bill ] Duets (was Re: help with cd) [stunning@tezcat.com] Re: about JEWEL and that video [neal copperman ] Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] RE: CD Clubs [neal copperman ] Re: about JEWEL and that video [J Wermont ] guest vocals [irvin lin ] Re: about JEWEL and that video [neal copperman ] Jonatha Brooke live album ? [Marion Kippers ] Re: help with cd [Joe Casadonte ] Re: help with cd [Phil Sainty ] Re: Jonatha Brooke live album ? [Riphug@aol.com] Jonatha's live disc [Patrick Varker ] Re: Duets (was Re: help with cd) ["Jeffrey C. Burka" ] Re: guest vocals [Mark Lowry ] Re: Duets (was Re: help with cd) [Mark Lowry ] guest vocals [queen of carrot flowers ] RE: guest vocals ["Foghorn J Fornorn" ] Veda in Philly [Bob Brown ] Re: guest vocals [Laura Clifford ] Re: Duets (was Re: help with cd) [stunning@tezcat.com] [none] [Old Spice ] RE: sixdegrees ["Bridges, Martin" ] re: help with cd ["Drew Harrington" ] re: straight to the point [Neile Graham ] Re: Jenny Bruce gigs - LA (fwd) ["Larry S. Greenfield" ] Re: help with cd [Laura Clifford ] Re: about JEWEL and that video [J Wermont ] Re: guest vocals [J Wermont ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 22:55:50 -0800 (PST) From: Bill Subject: Re: help with cd How about Natalie Merchant and another woman whose name escapes me now, the second to the last track in the "Ophelia" dics; nice cover a-la duet of a traditional song; love both voices. - - Bill. np: the whirling sounds of a multitude of cooling fans in a switch room far away from home. On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Mark Lowry wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm making a CD as a birthday present for a friend. It's an annual thing > I do (of course the format was cassette before the CDR came along). Each > year I come up with a theme. This year it's "guest vocals," meaning a > song by an artist in which another artist joins in on the vocals. At > least one of the artists should be of Ecto nature, and both artists have > to input vocals (so something like Evelyn Glennie + Bjork would be out). > I've got a few things in mind, among them: > > Catherine Wheel + Tanya Donnelly = Judy Staring at the Sun > Paula Cole + Peter Gabriel = Hush, Hush, Hush. > The The + Sinead O’Connor = Kingdom of Rain > Peter Gabriel + Kate Bush = Don’t Give Up > Kristin Hersh + Michael Stipe = Your Ghost > Robert Earl Keen + Margo Timmins = Then Came Lo Mein > Nick Cave + PJ Harvey = Henry Lee > Indigo Girls + Michael Stipe = Kid Fears > Tricky + PJ Harvey = Broken Homes > > have a few others ... but suddenly I'm drawing a blank. Anyone have any > other suggestions? > > Mark > > n.p. Edward Ka-Spel _The Blue Room_ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 01:52:42 -0500 From: stunning@tezcat.com Subject: Duets (was Re: help with cd) > Indigo Girls + Michael Stipe = Kid Fears A much better, I mean like a thousand times better, duet/trio with these 3 is "I'll Give You My Skin" from the "Tame Yourself" PETA benefit CD. Speaking of that album, does anyone have any info on the band Raw Youth. I have their CD "hot diggity" (Giant/WB) but that was the last I heard of them and that woman on lead vocals has an awesome voice on her! Her name is MYOSHIN THURMAN, the women who also sang in the band are ANGELA GALLOMBARDO and FLAIR SMITHJONES. Someone point me! > "Never Get Old" -- Sinead O'Connor & Enya Where the heck is *THAT* from? imusthaveimusthaveimusthave >But -- and Ectophiles please don't lynch >me -- I've never heard"Sister and Brother" -- Midge Ure with KaTe Midge Ure's 1988 CD is called Answers to Nothing and is on Chrysalis. Here's my suggestions: Kate and Prince "Why Should I Love You?" Annie Lennox and Al Green (that great song from the "Scrooged!" Soundtrack) Natalie Merchant with Wilco & Billy Bragg "Way Over Yonder In The Minor Key" (Gorgeous track from Mermaid Avenue. Go listen to it at a listening station somewhere. Its just wonderful.) Sinead also did that track with Shane MacGowan which is really lovely too. Can't think of the name right now. Thomas Dunning Brown Star Records Chicago I WANNA BE KATE: The Songs of Kate Bush http://www.tezcat.com/~stunning/kate/index.html VISIT THE WEBSITE! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 01:01:58 -0700 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: about JEWEL and that video At 1:09 AM -0800 11/18/98, irvin lin wrote: > i would also like to comment on the fact that i don't think people here >dislike jewel because of the hype surrounding her or the >overcommercialization of her. after all SARAH MCLACHLAN is quite popular >round these here parts, and she is probably the epitome of >overcommercialization. same thing goes for people like TORI, PAULA COLE, >FIONA APPLE and a slew of other commercially successful artists. rather >people seem to dislike JEWEL because her work (imo) tends to be rather >sophomoric, simplistic, and overly earnest. I don't think this is completely true. Sometimes Jewel seems that way. Sometimes, as Joyce pointed out, she is just direct, which is not always the same. But some of her stuff was more complex too. > but i also saw some sort of potential in her. her live stuff (i have >yet to see her live, and i don't think i want to now, but i have tapes) >is fun. she was fun. she use to exuded personality, wit, she believed in >what she wrote, yet she never really took herself too seroiusly. That's always been true of the shows. (I haven't actually seen one in over a year though.) But Pieces of You didn't show up her fun aspects at all. It's intentionally a serious album. She explicitly said she didn't want to be known as the girl who yodels (though it seems like she was for a while), or to have a silly song catch on and that be exclusively what she was known for. So she didn't put those songs on her debut. > in short she was a real person. some artists are able to stay that way. >after all ANI DIFRANCO is able to keep the same sort of spunk and >grounded reality with her, even though she seems to be selling bigger >and bigger arenas. ANI is the perfect example of taking someone who >slowly builds up from the ground level and then works her way up. I think the multiple levels of Ani's personality or more in view on her album than Jewel's are on hers. I've always said I would never have been a Jewel fan if it were just for Pieces of You. I've probably only listened to that album 5 or 6 times, but have spent many hours listening to wonderful live tapes. And while "Hands" seemed a really week song the one time I heard it on the radio (and the voice sounded remarcably like Nanci Griffith to me, though not the song), I know many of the other songs on the album from tapes, and some of them are quite good. The Washington Post addressed both the straightforwardness and the other levels of complexity in a very positive review in today's paper (below): One thing I was always surprised about was that Jewel didn't realize many b-sides. In the pre-fame days, when PoY was new and not going anywhere, she realeased the excellent Save The Linoleum & Phyllis Barnaby..., but none of the singles I saw from the album had anything to lure the collector into buying it. For an artist who had over 100 unrecorded songs at the time, she could have put out some amazing b-sides. Neal np: Dave Holland Quintet - Points of View Jewel, Living Up to Earlier Appraisals Singer's Girlish Soprano Soars on Second Album By Mike Joyce Special to The Washington Post Wednesday, November 18, 1998; Page D07 There's no need to read between the lines to understand the mission Jewel has undertaken on her new release, "Spirit" (Atlantic). The 24-year-old singer-songwriter all but spells it out in the opening verse of "Hands," the album's first single: "If I could tell the world just one thing/ It would be that we're all OK / And not to worry 'cause worry is wasteful/ And useless in times like these." Jewel finds comfort in the power of positive thinking (and singing), in the realization that "in the end only kindness matters," and in pursuit of "a life uncommon," free of fear and prejudice. As she makes clear in "Innocence Maintained," she refuses to let cynicism and despair rule her heart: "We've made houses for hatred/ It's time we made a place/ Where people's souls may be seen and made safe/ Be careful with each other/ These fragile flames/ For innocence can't be lost/ It just needs to be maintained." The words of a hopeless romantic? No doubt. But not an empty-headed one. On these and other songs, Jewel comes across as someone who's intent on insulating herself from anything that will erode her spirit and will. She's determined not to make the same mistake twice and to resist complacency. Nowhere is that more evident than on "Deep Water," which concerns a character whose "standard of living got stuck on survive." Sounding more understanding than judgmental, Jewel offers a little advice: "We've compromised our pride/ And sacrificed our health/ We have to demand more/ Not of each other/ But more from ourselves." In keeping with the intimate tone of her 1995 debut, the multi-platinum smash "Pieces of You," Jewel's new album boasts a simple if somewhat more sophisticated production that flatters her girlish soprano and subtly emphasizes her folk music orientation. She continues to develop as a lyricist, gracefully contrasting inspirational themes with whimsical refrains, and occasionally painting little vignettes of contemporary life. Among the latter is "Do You," which easily ranks among Jewel's best songs, though here the subject concerns illusions maintained, and the scenario unfolds like a conversation overheard in a bar: "You say you like the way the cowboys tip their hats and say/ 'How's it goin' ma'am?'/ But you're never quite clear if their glares are sincere/ Or really just second hand / To you it's all roses, it's a lavender haze/ The man is a marvel, but it's a shame about his brains/ But that's OK/ You say, 'He's got straight teeth and it's good sex.' " (To hear a free Sound Bite from this album, call Post-Haste at 202-334-9000 and press 8172.) © Copyright 1998 The Washington Post Company ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 03:00:04 -0500 (EST) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********************* Jeff Smith (JefffSmith@aol.com) ********************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jeff Smith Mon November 19 1962 Crash Kevin Bartlett Fri November 21 1952 Scorpio Claudia Spix Wed November 23 1960 Schuetze Anja Baldo Tue November 23 1965 Garbanzo Tommy Persson Wed November 25 1964 Sagittarius Pat Tessitore November 26 Sagittarius Justin Bur Fri November 27 1964 Sagittarius Sue Trowbridge Sun November 27 1966 Skytten Ward Kadel Tue November 29 1977 Sagittarius Mirko Bulaja Sat November 30 1974 Block Juha Sorva Thu December 02 1976 Sagittarius Chip Lueck Thu December 05 1968 Sagittarius Michele Wellck December 08 Sagittarius Jeremy J. Corry Fri December 11 1970 Sagittarius Renee Canada Tue December 13 1977 Sagittarius Julie C. Kammerzell Sun December 15 1968 Sagittarius/Scorpio combo Gloria Jackson-Nefertiti Sat December 15 1956 Sagittarius Damon Harper Tue December 16 1975 COOL BANANAS Laura Clifford Tue December 17 1957 Sagittarius Dirk Kastens Tue December 17 1963 Sagittarius Milla Wed December 17 1975 Sagittarius Chris Schernwetter Tue December 17 1974 Sagittarius Sherry Haddock Sat December 17 1960 Sagittarius Tracy Benbrook Tue December 18 1973 Sagittarius - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 01:18:12 -0700 From: neal copperman Subject: RE: CD Clubs At 8:51 AM -0500 11/18/98, Foghorn J Fornorn wrote: >I've found the clubs to be a reasonably cost effective way to acquire the >more mainstream selections provided one is not in a hurry for them. That is, >once you get past the original requirements, if any. I find them a good way to do that too, but I can usually find things I want enough to just keep rejoining. And while 3 for 1 is definitely a good deal, you get more bang for your buck just quitting after buying one. I always do that, and they ask me to rejoin within 6 months. But it's a great way to buy things like R.E.M., Beck, Barenaked Ladies, and lots of classic jazz and older pop/rock stuff. Neal np: A Year & A Dat at the Funny Farm: Bogus Piano Concerto - tENTATIVELY; a cONVENIENCE and John Henry Nyenhuls ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 00:31:03 -0800 (PST) From: J Wermont Subject: Re: about JEWEL and that video >> people seem to dislike JEWEL because her work (imo) tends to be rather >> sophomoric, simplistic, and overly earnest. > > I don't think this is completely true. Sometimes Jewel seems that way. > Sometimes, as Joyce pointed out, she is just direct, which is not always > the same. AARGH!! No, please, don't make me sound like a Jewel fan! Anything but that!! :) Seriously, I was taking the discussion to a more general level, and was just keying off a phrase of Andrew's, "straight to the point." I didn't mean to refer to Jewel in my comments. I'm not bothered by Jewel's directness, but I find her cloying. Also, her arrangements are too sparse and simple - I like a lot more production. Actually, I heard a song of hers on the radio recently and it sounded OK, but I wasn't really listening to the words. Joyce ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:10:49 -0800 From: irvin lin Subject: guest vocals > Mark Lowry wrote: > > This year it's "guest vocals," meaning a > song by an artist in which another artist joins in on the vocals. what a fun theme! other suggestions would be: CRAIG ROSS + LISA GERMANO = i'll never burn BETH ORTON + TERRY CALLIER = lean on me BALLON + SARAH MCLACHLAN = tightrope walker THIS MORTAL COIL + KIM DEAL + TANYA DONELLY = you and your sister (though i guess technically that isn't a guest vocal, it still is kinda a cool song - but of course you could probably put nearly any THIS MORTAL COIL songs on there) JULIANA HATFIELD + TANYA DONELLY = josie & the pussycats MARY LOU LORD + JULIANA HATFIELD = lights are changing (KRS version) AIMEE MANN + JULIANA HATFIELD = you could make a killing EVAN DANDO + JULIANA HATFIELD = my drug buddy ASHTRAY BOYS + LIZ PHAIR = infidel FOUTAINS OF WAYNE + DOMINIQUE DURAN (from IVY) = survival car BRENDA KAHN + JEFF BUCKLEY = faith salons NATALIE MERCHANT + MICHAEL STIPE = my photograph KIRSTY MACCOLL + THE POGUES = fairytale of new york DAR WILLIAMS + KATRYNA & NERISSA NIELDS = as cool as i am VIC CHESTNUT + VICTORIA WILLIAMS = god is good PJ HARVEY + BJORK = can't get no satisfaction THROWING MUSES + BOB MOULD = dio if you can track down a copy of MILK AND KISSES by the COCTEAU TWINS - the japanese import version, FAYE WONG guest vocals on a couple of songs. also KIM DEAL has done a couple of guest vocal/duet tracks, notably one for sonic youth's WASHING MACHINE album, as well as the soundtrack LOVE AND A 45. oh yeah and SINEAD O'CONNOR did those two songs for WORLD PARTY as well, before she was signed. and just for kicks, you could also always put SANDRA BERNHARD's version of LITTLE RED CORVETTE with backing vocals by this then unknown singer TORI AMOS. granted you can barely make out tori's voice, but it still qualifies. kinda fun. that is all my dead brain can come up with right now. irvin np. LORI CARSON - SHELTER ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 02:19:24 -0700 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: about JEWEL and that video At 12:31 AM -0800 11/19/98, J Wermont wrote: > >> people seem to dislike JEWEL because her work (imo) tends to be rather > >> sophomoric, simplistic, and overly earnest. > > > > I don't think this is completely true. Sometimes Jewel seems that way. > > Sometimes, as Joyce pointed out, she is just direct, which is not always > > the same. > >AARGH!! No, please, don't make me sound like a Jewel fan! Anything but >that!! :) Oh my, I didn't mean to accidentally ascribe anything so horrible to you :) While I certainly understood that you were interested in a higher level of discussion, it seemed from what I read that you were siting Jewel as an example of straightforward, yet effective, songwriting. I personally think she can be a good example of this, as well as an example of simplistic preachy songwriting too. >I'm not bothered by Jewel's directness, but I find her cloying. Also, >her arrangements are too sparse and simple - I like a lot more production. That's kind of funny, since every single they released they re-recorded since the album versions were even simpler. Perhaps you'd like the new stuff better. (Haven't heard it yet myself.) Me, I'd vote for people like Richard Shindell, Dar Williams and Joni Mitchell as folks who have written stunningly direct tales in very eloquent ways. Oh, the McGarrigles too. Me, I like both aproaches, depending on my mood. But since I'm a music person first and a lyrics person second, it often takes a dramatically long time for me to notice what an entire song is about. Key lines and vocal twists will typically convey more emotion to me than the entire body of the song, though there are the occasions where something commands my attention right from the start. Neal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:44:51 +0100 (W. Europe Standard Time) From: Marion Kippers Subject: Jonatha Brooke live album ? Hi, Some time ago Spencer Lewis wrote: > I need a fifth. Hopefully next year I'll have a new cd from Aimee Mann, > Michael Penn (aimee's husband), Bettie Seveert, Maria Mckee, Peter Gabriel, > Jonatha Brooke, Shawn Colvin, Freedy Johnston. Coming up with cd's worthy > of being mentioned in a top 5 has been difficult this year. Now I don't know if this will count as 'New', but according to her website Jonatha Brooke planned to release a 'new' live album (with old songs), in October. I don't think I've read anything else about it yet, does anybody know if it has indeed been released already? If so, what's it like? I think the info on the website makes it sound rather interesting, at least Jonatha herself is quite enthousiastic about it. :-) According to the website the album will be available through the web-site, the fan club, or at live gigs. It may also be available through some of the other Internet CD sales sites (I just checked at CD Now and they don't have it), but probably not in retail stores. Jonatha's website is at http://www.jonathabrooke.com , info about the Live album is at http://www.jonathabrooke.com/live/index.htm . Best wishes, Marion n.p. Madredeus - Os Dias da n.r. John J. O'Meara (translation) - The voyage of Saint Brendan - ---------------------- Marion Kippers Marion.Kippers@wkap.nl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 06:10:40 -0500 (EST) From: Joe Casadonte Subject: Re: help with cd On Wed, 18 Nov 1998, Bill wrote: > How about Natalie Merchant and another woman whose name escapes me now, > the second to the last track in the "Ophelia" dics; nice cover a-la duet > of a traditional song; love both voices. Or Natalie Merchant and Michael Stipe (I think) doing a live version of "To Sir, With Love". Beautiful song, beautifully done! It was on a CD single (circa the election year that 10,000 Maniacs performed for the Prez). If you want it for your CD but can't find it, I could loan you mine.... Regards, joe joc@netaxs.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Llama Fresh Farms => http://www.netaxs.com/~joc Gay Media Resource List => http://www.netaxs.com/~joc/gaymedia.html Perl for Win32 => http://www.netaxs.com/~joc/perlwin32.html PerlRing Homepage => http://www.netaxs.com/~joc/perlring.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Free, that's the message! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 00:26:56 +1300 From: Phil Sainty Subject: Re: help with cd Mark pondered: > Each year I come up with a theme. This year it's "guest vocals," > meaning a song by an artist in which another artist joins in on the > vocals. [...] > Anyone have any other suggestions? Jennifer Warnes covering Leonard Cohen's "Joan of Arc", with Leonard doing guest vocals. The album is "Famous Blue Raincoat" (subtitled "the songs of Leonard Cohen"), and it's rather good indeed. (Does Veda Hille's Megapet count as a guest vocalist? :) - -Philip np. Lisa Gerrard & Pieter Bourke, "Duality" nr. Iain Banks, "The Bridge" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 07:50:47 EST From: Riphug@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonatha Brooke live album ? Yes, it's true! Jonatha's live album is supposed to be released in *mid- November*, which I guess means any day now. She mentioned it when I saw her perform in Cincinnati last Wednesday night. I ordered my copy via telephone and received a confirmation via snail mail a couple of weeks ago. I can't wait to get it! Jill :D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 07:57:38 -0500 (EST) From: Patrick Varker Subject: Jonatha's live disc Hi, Someone (Marion, I believe) was asking about Jonatha's live cd. I saw her about a week ago and she told me that the packaging of the disc had held it up but should be ready any day. She told me that if you had ordered from the website then it would be shipped as soon as they get them. So everyone, order NOW, this is going to be a GREAT disc!!! (Jonatha reminded me that it would make a great X-mas gift!!!). Patrick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:01:02 -0500 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: Duets (was Re: help with cd) I apparently I raised some eyebrows suggesting: > > "Never Get Old" -- Sinead O'Connor & Enya such as stunning's: > Where the heck is *THAT* from? imusthaveimusthaveimusthave Actually y'all probably already have it; it's track...er...5 I think, right before "Troy", on _The Lion and the Cobra_. Enya (who is credited via the gaelic spelling of her name, Eithne Ni Braionin, or something along those lines) does the spoken gaelic portions of the song. > Sinead also did that track with Shane MacGowan which is really lovely too. > Can't think of the name right now. Now *this* one I didn't know about. Any details? irvin SEZ: >and just for kicks, you could also always put SANDRA BERNHARD's version >of LITTLE RED CORVETTE with backing vocals by this then unknown singer >TORI AMOS. granted you can barely make out tori's voice, but it still >qualifies. kinda fun. If you wanna do that, then throw on some tracks from Ferron's _Phantom Center_ album, which also features Tori on BVs...post YKTR, pre LE. jeff - -- |Jeffrey C. Burka | http://www.cqi.com/~jburka | "I've got time to rest / | | And I've got a clear, able mind that sees my life going fine. | | 'Cause everything I need is right here in my hands..." --Melissa Ferrick | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 07:28:12 -0600 From: Mark Lowry Subject: Re: guest vocals irvin lin wrote: > and just for kicks, you could also always put SANDRA BERNHARD's version > of LITTLE RED CORVETTE with backing vocals by this then unknown singer > TORI AMOS. granted you can barely make out tori's voice, but it still > qualifies. kinda fun. Where's that from? Mark n.p. Sinead Lohan _No Mermaid_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 07:39:35 -0600 From: Mark Lowry Subject: Re: Duets (was Re: help with cd) stunning@tezcat.com wrote: > > "Never Get Old" -- Sinead O'Connor & Enya > > Where the heck is *THAT* from? imusthaveimusthaveimusthave Track 5 from Sinead's _The Lion and the Cobra_. *Gorgeous* song. > Natalie Merchant with Wilco & Billy Bragg "Way Over Yonder In The Minor Key" > (Gorgeous track from Mermaid Avenue. Go listen to it at a listening station > somewhere. Its just wonderful.) Oh yeah, is that from this year's album by Wilco/Bragg doing the Guthrie - -- er, someone like that -- stuff? I keep meaning to get, cuz I *love* Wilco. Thanks, Mark n.p. Sinead Lohan _No Mermaid_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:49:52 -0500 (EST) From: queen of carrot flowers Subject: guest vocals here are a few... "Future 40s (String of Pearls)" Syd Straw + Michael Stipe "Dio" Throwing Muses (Kristin Hersh) + Bob Mould "Bonnie + Clyde" Luna (Dean Wareham) + Laetita Sadier "Dream out of Focus" Hugo Largo (Mimi Goese) + Michael Stipe (song from _Hanging Garden_ -- can't remember name) Mary Margaret O'Hara + Meryn Cadell "Nothing Else Matters" Lauryn Hill + Maxwell "Your Little Cousin"(?) Deborah Harry + Elvis Costello "Christmastime" Aimee Mann + Michael Penn "Never Before and Never Again" dBs (Peter Holsapple) + Syd Straw November Spawned A Monster" Morrissey + M2OH "Down in Love" Freedy Johnston + Syd Straw I think you can tell who my fave girl singer is... - ---- Chelsea, the mod pixie home: away: tugboat@channel1.com odyshape@hotmail.com "I started out as a missionary, but I couldn't find a religion which didn't promise things to some people at the exclsion of others. The personal voyage into that kind of light shouldn't be denied to anybody." -- Patti Smith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:51:11 -0500 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: RE: guest vocals I've seen a couple mentions of "Fairytale of New York" but haven't seen: Kirsty MacColl + Evan Dando - Perfect Day (from Galore) One of my all time favorites, although possibly out of bounds depending on your perception of Ectocity, is: Pete Sinfield + Greg Lake - Still (from the album of the same name or the CD "Stillusion") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:11:05 -0500 From: Bob Brown Subject: Veda in Philly I saw Veda live for the first time last night in Philly and I'm really glad I did. She and the band did mostly songs from E. Carr and Spine and they where tremendous. My only disappointment (for her) was that it was poorly attended....maybe 30 people tops. And, whoever promoted this stuck her in a bar where those that weren't in the room listening were abnoxiously loud and disruptive. I just don't get this town. Does anyone know if she gets *any* airplay on WXPN? I've never heard any. I won't start my WXPN rage again...arghh. Hope y'all have a great time at Meredith's and Woj's for the house concert.... wish I could be there. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:12:55 -0500 From: Laura Clifford Subject: Re: guest vocals How about The Cure w/Siouxsee Sioux on "Cold"? Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:07:44 -0500 From: stunning@tezcat.com Subject: Re: Duets (was Re: help with cd) >stunning@tezcat.com wrote: > >> > "Never Get Old" -- Sinead O'Connor & Enya >> >> Where the heck is *THAT* from? imusthaveimusthaveimusthave > >Track 5 from Sinead's _The Lion and the Cobra_. *Gorgeous* song. Well, I've had that album since it was released and didn't know that Enya sang on it. I thought this was a special new recording of Never Get Old. The word "ENYA" probably didn't enter my conciousness until many years after the Lion & the Cobra came out. >> Natalie Merchant with Wilco & Billy Bragg "Way Over Yonder In The Minor Key" >> (Gorgeous track from Mermaid Avenue. Go listen to it at a listening station >> somewhere. Its just wonderful.) > >Oh yeah, is that from this year's album by Wilco/Bragg doing the Guthrie -- er, >someone like that -- stuff? I keep meaning to get, cuz I *love* Wilco. Yes, and the whole album is great. Thomas Dunning Brown Star Records Chicago I WANNA BE KATE: The Songs of Kate Bush http://www.tezcat.com/~stunning/kate/index.html VISIT THE WEBSITE! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:17:54 -0800 (PST) From: Old Spice Subject: [none] This sixdegrees list I'm on, thanks to Urvan Lin (seems like an interesting concept, but I haven't really given it a look yet) sent me a message today which included to following: _____________________________________________________ 5. C E L E B R I T Y C H A T H I G H L I G H T S: . . . . Dec 3rd: Singer/songwriter, Jonatha Brooke Click the URL below to learn more about these amazing events: http://www.sixdegrees.com/Chat/chat.cfm ______________________________________________________ Case anyone wants to know. - --charley p.s. Thanks to those of you who wrote me with kind words about my cousin Patrika and her work on Days of Our Lives (and many other TV shows and movies, as some of you noted). I'm passing them along to her. Someone pointed out that she participated in an AOL chat thing last week. Anyone else dip into that? Just curious. - --ch _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:30:40 -0000 From: "Bridges, Martin" Subject: RE: sixdegrees Charley said: > > This sixdegrees list I'm on, thanks to Urvan Lin (seems like an > interesting concept, but I haven't really given it a look yet) sent me > a message today which included to following: [news about Jonatha snipped] Hey, I'm on sixdegrees too! This is starting to get spooky! I was slightly dubious about the concept at first but their privacy statement seems good. I'm beginning to get interested. Cheers, Martin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:12:04 -0800 From: "Drew Harrington" Subject: re: help with cd I don't have the CD handy, and can't remember the name of the song, but there's a Peter Gabriel guest vocal on Joy Askew's "Tender City". Drew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:28:21 -0800 From: Neile Graham Subject: re: straight to the point You know, one thing that I never said which is something important to me in terms of this discussion is that I have never yet come across lyrics (with the exception of some traditional ballads) that I would want to read as works of literature. For me the music is integral to the experience of appreciating lyrics. Even people who are considered poets, like Leonard Cohen, I don't think read all that well on the page, even though many of his poems read fine aloud. Joyce wrote: >Maybe this is just a difference in taste, or in the way we approach >words. Perhaps you're just more right-brained than I am. I like to >understand something rationally or else I can't access the emotion. I am very right-brained. I'm even left-handed. And you're right, it is a big difference. I don't need to understand something rationally to access the emotion. Sometimes I find it better not to, as sometimes what spurs the emotion seems trivial compared to the emotion it evokes. An example of this for me is Paula Cole's line "you call me a bitch in heat/and I call you a liar". She repeats and repeats this line with such ferocity that once I listened to the lyrics it ruined the song for me--she seemed so riled up about something so trivial that I start to think she's overreacting--if she'd just varied the lyrics there instead of repeating that line, the song would have worked me for. Weird, eh? >(At least through the words alone. When it comes to songs, I don't >need words to get the emotion - the music does that. That's where my >right-brained reactions come in. But when I'm focusing on words - and >this certainly applies to poetry and prose since there's usually no >music with them - I'm doing it in a rational and linear way.) {rant mode on} I would also like to make the point as someone who write poetry that while there usually isn't literally music with them that if the language the poem uses doesn't create its own music through sound patterns it isn't poetry it's prose, even if it does have line breaks. I disdainfully call such pieces "chopped prose". {rant mode off} >For example, in an allusive song about heartbreak, I may get that the >person is feeling unhappy - but why? Maybe it's about a lost >relationship, but for all I know, they could be mourning the job they >just got laid off from, or the use of their legs which they just lost >in a car accident - anything that can bring up pain and loss. If I >don't know why the emotions are there, I can't care about them. Hmm. Sometimes I like to know why, and sometimes the emotion itself is enough to carry me. Sometime I don't need to know what the loss is exactly to share the sensation of it. Bob wrote: > The creative process is complicated enough without trying to analyze >it! But I learn so much as an artist myself by analyzing it! But maybe I'm weird. >I thrill to the power of words, and when the God-given gift of music is >added, the resulting synergy can be very powerful. It is the mark of an >artist's success how well they convey their thoughts and concerns to their >audience via this powerful combination. Absolutely. > Sometimes I need complexity, sometimes I need simplicity, often I need >both, and at any time I can find a song to fit my mood. Sometimes I just >read, sometimes I listen to orchestral music. The best thing about life is >its variety. Yes, definitely, and this holds for the variety of approaches for enjoying lyrics (and music). There's room in the world for all of us, and that's one of the best things about it. I would hate it if everyone were like me. It's tough even trying to be an individual in a world full of 'em. - --Neile - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ..... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ..... neile@sff.net The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music .... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:36:55 -0800 From: "Larry S. Greenfield" Subject: Re: Jenny Bruce gigs - LA (fwd) Hi, all! The accurate address for LuLu's Beehive is 13201 Ventura Boulevard. I hope to be at that show; Jenny is fabulous! I hope to see old friends and meet new ones there. Seeya! - -=-Larry-=- kartalst@hugse1.harvard.edu wrote: > > Hello all! > > If any of you in so. CA are able to make ANY of these shows, well, I more > than highly recommend it...you will be treated to an awesome night of > music! > > love > stephanie > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:24:58 -0500 (EST) > From: Goodgirlny@aol.com > To: kartalst@HUGSE1.HARVARD.EDU > Subject: Jenny Bruce gigs - LA > > California Here I Come! > > Jenny Bruce (that's me) will be performing solo at the following places in > Los Angeles... East Coast meets West Coast... We'll keep it friendly... > > Lulu's Beehive > Sunday, November 22 - 9pm -11pm > Studio City, LA > [13201] Ventura Boulevard > (818) 986-2233 > > Little Frida's Coffee House > Tuesday November 24, 8:00pm > 8730 Santa Monica Blvd. > West Hollywood > 310-854-5421 > > Crooked Bar > Wednesday November 25, 11:45pm (Thursday is a holiday - come out and party!) > 8121 Sunset Blvd. (downstairs at Coconut Teaszer) > West Hollywood > 213-654-4887 > > Please come say hello, or if you're not in town, send your friends! > > Have a Happy Thanksgiving! Hope to see you soon! > > Jenny Bruce > > Thanks so much to all those who helped me plan this trip! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 11:07:26 -0800 (PST) From: Tamar Boursalian Subject: Re: help with cd Hey all, How about one of my favorite guest vocal songs: Calling All Angels by Jane Siberry with kd lang. Would you count Wrong Century by Happy Rhodes with Mitch Elrod? Another favorite: Battle of Evermore by Led Zeppelin with Sandy Denny. A completely non-ecto submission: Brother by Alice In Chains with Ann Wilson of Heart. A really super great song: Knock Me Out by Linda Perry with Grace Slick. Grace totally knocks me out on this one. VERY effective, if you like that sort of thing. Once by Roy Harper with Kate Bush. Shiny Happy People by REM with Kate Pierson? (Not one of my favorites) Games Without Frontiers by Peter Gabriel with Kate Bush There are several songs by Leonard Cohen which feature Jennifer Warnes. I suppose that's enough. Later, Tamar ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 14:26:32 -0500 From: Laura Clifford Subject: Re: help with cd At 11:07 AM 11/19/1998 -0800, Tamar Boursalian wrote: >Hey all, > >How about one of my favorite guest vocal songs: Calling All Angels by >Jane Siberry with kd lang. which makes me think of kd with Roy Orbison on "Cryin..." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:33:09 -0800 (PST) From: J Wermont Subject: Re: about JEWEL and that video Neal wrote: > While I certainly understood that you were interested in a higher > level of discussion, it seemed from what I read that you were siting > Jewel as an example of straightforward, yet effective, songwriting. Actually, I have to admit that I haven't listened really closely to enough of her songs to know how effective her songwriting is. I had Pieces of You for a while, found it mostly boring - couldn't understand what the fuss was all about - and ended up exchanging it. Whenever I hear her on the radio, she always sounds a little too cutesy for my taste so it turns me off. So, maybe I'm rejecting her a little unfairly - maybe if I listened more closely I'd appreciate some of her lyrics, I don't know. But her voice grates on me - it's so little-girl sweet that I don't want to hear more. > Me, I'd vote for people like Richard Shindell, Dar Williams and Joni > Mitchell as folks who have written stunningly direct tales in very > eloquent ways. Oh, the McGarrigles too. I haven't heard Richard Shindell and don't know the McGarrigles' material that well, but I totally agree about Joni and Dar. In fact, I was going to cite Dar as a good example of great explicit songwriting that doesn't come across as either dull or preachy. And I'd completely forgotten about Joni Mitchell - a perfect example. Not every song is completely clear in terms of what she's singing about, but so many of them are. I think of some of the songs on For the Roses and Court and Spark (my two personal favorites of hers) - such clearly drawn stories and thoughts, but full of wonderful images and metaphors and evocative atmosphere. Joyce ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:46:24 -0800 (PST) From: J Wermont Subject: Re: guest vocals > "Future 40s (String of Pearls)" Syd Straw + Michael Stipe Yes, I suggested this one privately. Isn't that a great song? > "Dio" Throwing Muses (Kristin Hersh) + Bob Mould Could you tell me what this is from? I'd love to hear it! Also, was "Don't Give Up" on Us (Peter Gabriel w/ Kate Bush guesting) already mentioned? Joyce ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V4 #407 **************************