From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V4 #375 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, October 20 1998 Volume 04 : Number 375 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: One more word about Ana Christensen ["Xenu's Sister" ] Re: Weekend music - Sarah M. with... Phish (honest!) [J Wermont ] Happiness-Inducing Songs ["Tim" ] Re: I NEED ADVICE.............. ["Tim" ] Re: Triphoppy stuff ["Tim" ] Re: I NEED ADVICE.................... [Phil Sainty ] Re: One more word about Ana Christensen [Andrew Fries ] Re: Sunday All OverThe World [ABershaw@aol.com] Re: NEED ADVICE on (Massive Attack) ["C. K. Coney" ] _MWABT_ micro-review [Alundra Madusa Blayze ] Re: MWABT ad spied in a rather odd place ["C. K. Coney" ] Re: Triphoppy stuff ["C. K. Coney" ] Re: Triphoppy stuff [J Wermont ] susan james thursday; new beautiful south album; new holly cole [Paul Kim] Re: Triphoppy stuff [Neile Graham ] Re: susan james thursday; new beautiful south album; new holly cole [Mich] Re: Triphoppy stuff [Old Spice ] Re: Triphoppy stuff [J Wermont ] Re: Triphoppy stuff [neal copperman ] Broadcast [Neile Graham ] Re: Triphoppy stuff [Ofer Inbar ] Re: Broadcast [James Gurley ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 01:27:55 -0500 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: One more word about Ana Christensen At 11:25 PM 10/19/98 -0500, Bob Kollmeyer wrote: >As long as we're exchanging tracklists... >Brave New World (1990): Ooops, looks like we sent our posts near the same time. >Picked it up a few months ago along with a "1990 RooArt Big Music From Down >Under" (featuring Martha's Vineyard) making for quite an AUSpicious trip >through the used bins. I have a Martha's Vinyard CD from 1988/1989 called just "Martha's Vinyard." I checked the CDDB and it wasn't listed so I just submitted it. I really like a few songs on the album, and I do like Peggy Van Zalm's voice. I see on Andrew's page (http://www.zip.com.au/~afries/mlinks.html) that Peggy is now a solo artist. Strange, I had submitted Ana Christensen's album because it didn't show up when I checked for it locally, but when I went to the CDDB site (http://www.cddb.com/) and typed in her name, 3 albums came up. The two we've talked about plus a compilation of Dylan covers (called "Doin' Dylan). I didn't think my Brave New World would have made the database so soon, so I had a look at it, and I was right, it isn't mine. I capitalize all song titles and the one there already doesn't.. Looking at the song titles closer, I see that *that* version has as track 9 something called "T.V. Song" wheras my version has as track 9 Dylan's "Like A Rolling Stone." I wonder which is the earlier version of the album. Vickie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 23:36:17 -0700 (PDT) From: J Wermont Subject: Re: Weekend music - Sarah M. with... Phish (honest!) > Yes, I was one of the lucky thousands who spent a part of this weekend at > one of the Bridge School Benefit shows organized by Neil Young each year > here in the SF Bay Area. I'm so jealous!!! I really wanted to go to that but didn't get it together to find anyone to go with (not so easy... I don't have many rock and roll friends). I even considered just going alone - hanging out on the lawn with zillions of people might not be so bad by myself, but I wasn't sure. Anyway, intertia took over and I never went. I agree, it sounded like a great lineup. REM, jeez! Which reminds me (tangent coming up), I heard an interview of Michael Stipe on NPR the other day. He was telling a story about how when he was a kid he used to play in an accordion band at school. But he hated the fact that he wasn't allowed to sing or make any other noise besides playing the instrument, so he and his friend asked their teacher if they could shout stuff out during the accordion concerts. They shouted things like, "Cool, Daddy-O!" and "Go, man, go!" After chuckling about that, Terry Gross brought up another topic, saying, "I read that you like to define yourself as the 'Dork of the Nerds,' or something like that. Could you tell me why you see yourself that way?" And I'm thinking, you're kidding - this guy just said he used to shout "Cool Daddy-O" at accordion concerts! What more proof do you need?? Well, it struck me funny at the time. Joyce ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 03:00:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************** Anthony Amato (no Email address) ********************* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Anthony Amato Sat October 20 1973 Libra Dave Steiner Sat October 24 1959 Scorpio Tara MacLean Thu October 25 1973 Scorpio Jessica Koeppel Wed October 29 1969 Scorpio Kathy Clark Sat November 01 1969 Bunnies Katie Dougiamas Sat November 02 1974 Scorpio Anthony Horan Fri November 04 1966 Positive Michael Sullivan Mon November 05 1962 Scorpio Jens Brage Sun November 08 1964 Scorpio Rising Lynn Garrett Sat November 08 1958 Scorpio Sam Murgie Fri November 08 1957 Scorpio Rachel Kramer Bussel Mon November 10 1975 Scorpio Ken Latta Sun November 11 1951 Scorpio Michael Doyle Wed November 12 1969 Scorpio Neil K. Thu November 14 1968 Grocible Dave Cook Mon November 15 1971 Scorpio Jeff Pearce November 16 Orpheus Naama Avramzon Mon November 18 1974 Scorpio Jeff Smith Mon November 19 1962 Crash - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 18:10:20 +0000 From: "Tim" Subject: Happiness-Inducing Songs Great. I go to all that effort to write my sad song list, and now its only happy songs people want to hear. Well thank you very much... ;-) So anyway, I was going to write a happy song list, until I realised that the songs that make me really happy, aren't necessarily happy, but are always sort of joyful, or inspiring, or something like that. Anyway, these are the songs which make me through myself round the room like a madman: (warning - most of these artists were listed in my other list as well, I know) Kate Bush - Hounds Of Love From the opening quote to the final shimmer and stomp, this is the most joyful, sing-as-loud-as-you-can kind of songs around. Happy Rhodes - Be Careful What You Say As if one Hounds Of Love wasn't enough, Happy goes and writes her own. With harmonies. Marillion - Heart Of Lothian Starts off really sad actually, but becomes the most bombastic, awe-inspiring, fist-shaking song ever, with the most...er... bombastic guitar solo ever. Tori Amos - Tear In Your Hand See? Its sad! But it's also happy! What's going on here? Just one of the most beautiful songs ever written. Paula Cole - I Don't Want To Wait Sort of like "Tomorrow is the first day of the rest of your life" in song form. Sinead O'Connor - Mandinka A heady, intense pop thrill when she still knew how to make them. Puressence - This Feeling Well, if you don't listen to the lyrics... The best quiet section/loud section pattern song I can think of, and as such perfect for standing in front of the speakers and waving arms dramatically. Bjork - Alarm Call Because happiness always implies craziness. The Cranberries - Dreams I'll always remember them like this. Manic Street Preachers - The Girl Who Wanted To Be God Again, if you don't pay attention to the lyrics... Almost scarily anthemic - but then they always are. a-Ha - Take On Me My favourite cheesy eighties song. (sigh) If only this hadn't been the only @*^*&#& good song they'd ever written (Hunting High & Low was the most disappointing album I ever bought) The Sundays - Summertime Enough to make you hate any other season. Whipping Boy - Morning Rise A lovely, optimistic romantic string-fest from the most cynical band in the world. Jonatha Brooke - Landmine No-one writes choruses like Jonatha. U2 - Where The Streets Have No Name An objectively perfect song from THE objectively perfect album Cocteau Twins - Lorelei A friend recently told me that Liz's vocals here are a joking imitation of Marilyn Monroe. I've refused to listen to it since, in fear that the comparison might ruin what to me is one of the most beautiful songs ever constructed. Simple Minds - Waterfront For when the sun comes out but the last drops of rain hang in the air. Bel Canto - Kiss Of Spring Actually I'd say this is the ULTIMATE joyful song. The Cure - Friday, I'm In Love I agree with whoever said that on Fridays, you don't need depth. Late addittions to sad songs: Big Country - Come Back To Me The untold story of war, from a consistantly powerful and underrated band. Lamb - Gorecki I would like to think that God has the decency to play this to the world at least once before he starts the apocalypse. Regards, Tim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 18:31:42 +0000 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: I NEED ADVICE.............. >I don't know if I am asking the wrong people or not but I want to try an album >by Massive Attack. I heard a cut or two on the radio and on a soudtrack >somewhere. Anyone know which cd i should try first?? > fred m...... > Well I would suggest Mezannine for a few reasons. Firstly, it has some lovely songs sung by Liz Frazer which most ectophiles will love, so even if you don't like the rest you at least haven't wasted your money. Secondly, it quite simply gorgeous sounding, really thick and layered, so on a purely aural level its impossible not to adore. The other two albums are just as worthy, and Protection (with guest vocals from EBTG's Tracey Thorn, and Nicolette) wouldn't be a bad first taste either, however I would advise not getting Blue Lines first as it is starker musically and requires a heavy appreciation of the trip-hop (and at times hip-hop/rap) style. However if you like that sort of stuff its as fantastic as any, and Shara Nelson's vocal cuts (particularly Safe From Harm & Unfinished Sympathy) are simply fantastic. Also, though great, the No Protection remix album is way too dubby for the uninitiated. Regards, Tim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 18:43:35 +0000 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: Triphoppy stuff - ---------- >From: J Wermont >To: ecto@smoe.org >Subject: re: Triphoppy stuff >Date: Tue, Oct 20, 1998, 1:12 AM > >The trouble I've had with most trippy music is that it's a little >too airy and ethereal for me - I like music that has some drive, some >percussion. So I'm wondering if anyone could recommend good trancy >music that also has lots of percussion. And I'm not talking about >a monotonous disco or house beat... I mean lots of different kinds of >percussive sounds with complex rhythms, even where the percussion >dominates the sound. Niele's right, Lamb are simply fantastic. Louise's vocals are fantastic, and the music is really interesting and innovative. They are jungle-based, so nearly all their songs have a strong and *interesting* percussion beat (not pounding, but shifting, shuffling and breaking all over the place). Gorecki is one of my favourite songs in the world. Another artist people might not remember is Bjork. Perhaps because she's so original that people forget she's dance based. Her first album is really interesting dance-jazz-pop with a lot of percussion, her second is simply a riot of styles which has something for everyone, and the third is quite weird (but wonderful), contrasting strings with beats made out of strange (and sometimes grinding) sounds. Really unconventional and constantly changing. Massive Attacks are also brilliant, and their latest album, Mezannine, mixes trip-hop, dub, heavy percussion and some fantastic guitar as well. For something more rocky, almost industrial, there is Ruby's album Salt Peter, which is sort of what Portishead would be if Geoff Barrow didn't like Film-Noir, but rather violent Anime, and Beth Gibbons was angry, not mournful. I'd also recommend Tricky's first album Maxinquaye, which is an amazingly original masterpiece IMHO. However I find his subsequent releases (except the Nearly God project) too deliberately unpleasant for my liking. Regards, Tim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:54:27 +1300 From: Phil Sainty Subject: Re: I NEED ADVICE.................... Just in case you get the wrong idea from the song(s) you heard ("Teardrop" with Liz Fraser no doubt being one) do note that most Massive Attack songs have male vocals... Having said that, _Mezzanine_ is a nice album (like Neile, I don't know much about the others... I just got hooked by Liz's presence, and was a little surprised by the rest of it! :) - -Philip FAMarcus@aol.com wrote: > I don't know if I am asking the wrong people or not but I want to > try an album by Massive Attack. I heard a cut or two on the radio > and on a soudtrack somewhere. Anyone know which cd i should try > first?? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 00:01:33 +1300 From: Phil Sainty Subject: gradually absorbing... Many Worlds Are Born Tonight, Spine, Suddenly, Tammy!, Siren, Is This Desire?, Peter Gabriel (3), Time Between Trains, Blood, Mortal City, The Ugly One With the Jewels, Not a Pretty Girl, Strange Angels, Ardor, Box. (treat it as a pop-quiz :) - -Philip (utterly *utterly* besotted with "Spine") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 21:25:32 +1000 From: Andrew Fries Subject: Re: One more word about Ana Christensen So, Ana had another, earlier record I didn't even know about! Well, I didn't really get into local music scene until around 92 and as for 1990, I spent it backpacking through Asia. But I'll keep my eyes open, perhaps this CD will turn up somewhere. Who knows, maybe Ana herself will surface again one of these days? The same thing happened with another local artist of that pioneering era: Tania Bowra. She disappeared for several years while she was based in England but thankfully she returned last year... So perhaps I shouldn't give up on Ana just yet. But it's also possible she's decided to return to the country of her birth, so keep your eyes open - she just might appear in your local pub one day! And Vickie says: > I have a Martha's Vinyard CD from 1988/1989 called just "Martha's Vinyard." > I checked the CDDB and it wasn't listed so I just submitted it. I really like a > few songs on the album, and I do like Peggy Van Zalm's voice. I see > on Andrew's page (http://www.zip.com.au/~afries/mlinks.html) that Peggy > is now a solo artist. Yes, that was a good record. Sadly Martha's Vineyard broke up just as they were beginning to get noticed. But Perth's loss was Sydney's gain, because Peggy settled here. Yes, she's been on her own for a number of years, continuing with her low-key but steady career while having babies, enjoying herself and apparently not worrying too much about commercial success, fame and hits. I really enjoy seeing her play - there's just something about her, she just seems so quietly happy and confident... oh yes, and I love her voice, too. I once dragged Sherlyn to a concert which included Peggy in the lineup, but I seem to remember she missed most of Peggy's set moving the car :) __________________________________________________ "What the public wants is called politically unrealistic.Translated into English, that means power and privilege are opposed to it. " Noam Chomsky http://www.zip.com.au/~afries/hall.html __________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 08:25:01 EDT From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: Re: Sunday All OverThe World cy asked: <> Sunday All Over The World was a band featuring Toyah Wilcox who happens to be married to King Crimson leader/founder Robert Fripp. The band featured Fripp on guitar as well as current KC member Trey Gunn on Chapman stick & Paul Beavis on drums & percussion. They released only one album titled "Kneeling At The Shrine" on EG Records in 1991. I liked this album but it was pretty much ignored when released. I'm not all that knowledgable about Toyah Wilcox, but all current King Crimson & Robert Fripp fans would enjoy this & its probably the most "Ecto-friendly" project Fripp has been involved with other than The Roches. Hope that helps, Alan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:15:37 -0700 From: "C. K. Coney" Subject: Re: NEED ADVICE on (Massive Attack) Tim wrote: > >I don't know if I am asking the wrong people or not but I want to try an album > >by Massive Attack. I heard a cut or two on the radio and on a soudtrack > >somewhere. Anyone know which cd i should try first?? > > fred m...... > > > > Well I would suggest Mezannine for a few reasons. Firstly, it has some > lovely songs sung by Liz Frazer which most ectophiles will love, so even if > you don't like the rest you at least haven't wasted your money. Secondly, it > quite simply gorgeous sounding, really thick and layered, so on a purely > aural level its impossible not to adore. > Er, I don't adore it...I don't like it much either. In fact, I've already moved the Liz tracks (which are very nice, of course) onto cassette tape, 'cause that's the only stuff I liked. There have been mixed reviews of Mezzanine over at CT's website (Pandora's Box) so I'd say there's been lukewarm response by CT fans. However, folks who went to the Massive shows here last month seemed to really enjoy them live, and critics generally gave Mezzanine good reviews, so yes, that would be the one to start with. Imho. Carol ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 07:38:14 -0700 From: Alundra Madusa Blayze Subject: _MWABT_ micro-review Yo 'philes, As I will be awol from ecto for about 3, maybe 4 weeks as I move to Bellingham WA (via AZ to pick up the rest of my stuff), I thought I should at least post a few thoughts before I take down the old PC. I'll still be subscribed till the end of the month, but won't be able to catch up till I'm on a new ISP. (what'll that make, about 58 digests to wade through by then?? :) Anyway, HAPPY, I love you. _MWABT_ is your master- work. It is *so* rich and relatively complex; I really do consider this album to be just as good as it could be: the song sequence is superb, and the songs, oh man. I feel blessed to have gotten to know you the last few years. To have been able to grow with you throughout your career is some- thing that I will treasure forever. It's moments like this that make life so grand. I wish that someday you'll make your way finally to us deprived fans on the left coast (and elsewhere beyond the lucky duckies on the east coast-and you guys better be thankful! :) and grace us with your great show. It will be the icing on my cake, I know that. I don't have time to get into individual songs right now, other than to say that I can't wait to! Congratulations, and if fate is anywhere near just, and it is, eventually, you will have your "day in the sun," as it were, soon enough. I'm so happy that you've gotten onto a "major-minor" label finally, and that your beautiful songs will be out there for future ectophiles and knowledgeable music fans to treasure as I have all these years. I'm getting a tad sappy now, so I better close it out. Just know that there is one fan over here in WA who is even extra happy to be alive. :-) Bye for now, and please, Samson, think of us lefties, eh?!! Larry Hernandez (alundra@olypen.com) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 10:51:59 -0700 From: "C. K. Coney" Subject: Re: MWABT ad spied in a rather odd place Neile Graham wrote: > Hi, all-- > > Just wanted to report that I saw an ad for _Many Worlds Are Born Tonight_ > in a rather odd place--REALMS OF FANTASY magazine. Along with ads for > chain mail, role playing games, books with lurid covers (heck, the > magazines' covers are generally pretty lurid), the appalling National > Library of Poetry and all, there was a photo of Happy in a black dress > looking rather gothic and the MWABT album cover and a quote from PULSE. I > did a doubletake. > > I'm not quite sure what Samson is thinking (get Happy tagged as a filk > player like most of the other music ads in the magazine?), but I sure hope > it sells discs. With the Timelapse computer game tie-in and Happy's SF themes running throughout MWABT, I think it's great that Samson is doing this kind of cross promotion to widen the fan base. I'm not familiar with that magazine, Neile, but I do know what filk is...to be sure Happy ain't no filk singer! Anyway, I hope Happy would consider a "con" like DragonCon (www.dragoncon.org), the biggest national event of its kind. Not only would she get exposure for her music, but she could make connections with creative types in various pop culture genres...ya know, networking, networking, networking! Plus this year she could have met Roger Dean, album cover artist extraordinaire (Yes, Asia), Harlan Ellison, John Carpenter, Ray Bradbury, etc etc. Last year Clive Barker and Doug Bradley were here, and Doug made connections that have evolved into an Atlanta-based film project, and he was recently here for the Netherworld Haunted House installment (which the Changelings have done the soundtrack for.) Oops, speaking of Changelings, they'll be playing soon in New Orleans at Anne Rice's annual Halloween bash. Oh, yes, has anyone acquired their latest cd "Amphibian" yet? (Neile?) Anyone want me to review it? I feel like I'm not the most impartial person when it comes to Changelings, but I'll opine if ya'll are interested! :-) Carol ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:07:42 -0400 From: rich.rapp@effem.com Subject: HR5 and the Philly show video guy 1st). Thanks to all for the answers about the HR5 cd. 2nd). Someone asked about the guy who video taped the Philly show. Although I can't help you out with his name or if he's even on email, I know he also taped the Annie Haslam show last month at the Seaport Muesem. At the Happy show, he flashed some sort of press card, although I don't know for who..... Rich Rapp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:35:54 -0700 From: "C. K. Coney" Subject: Re: Happy Songs/Sad Songs.... FAMarcus@aol.com wrote: (Re Cyndi Lauper) > I think I saw cyndi sing time after time live on the tonight show......I taped > it. It's the only time that I had tears coming out of my eyes. I believe she > was underated and people never saw beyond her crazy sense of humor. One of > the best shows I've seen in concert too. A very talented lady and what a > vocal range. Yes, I agree on all the above. She was fantastic live...such energy, range, delivery. Magnetic. She was sooo much better than the band she opened for...A Flock of Seagulls. Oh, those fabulous 80's!!! :-) Carol ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:52:11 -0700 From: "C. K. Coney" Subject: Re: Triphoppy stuff J Wermont wrote: > The trouble I've had with most trippy music is that it's a little > too airy and ethereal for me - I like music that has some drive, some > percussion. So I'm wondering if anyone could recommend good trancy > music that also has lots of percussion. And I'm not talking about > a monotonous disco or house beat... I mean lots of different kinds of > percussive sounds with complex rhythms, even where the percussion > dominates the sound. > > Any recommendations? > > Lamb. Perfume Tree. Laika. Carol ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:24:50 -0700 (PDT) From: J Wermont Subject: Re: Triphoppy stuff Tim wrote: > I'd also recommend Tricky's first album Maxinquaye, which is an amazingly > original masterpiece IMHO. OK, this is exactly the kind of recommendation I was afraid of. :) (Not to say I don't appreciate it!) I have that album, which I bought because I loved the song Black Steel. However, the rest of the album has such strong r&b influence that it turned me off. I didn't really hear much trancy, textured, layered music on most of the album. Maybe I'm not too clear on the concept of "trip-hop." I'm more interested in the "trip" side of things than the "hop" side, if that makes sense. :) Joyce ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:28:59 -0400 From: Paul Kim Subject: susan james thursday; new beautiful south album; new holly cole Susan James is playing in Cambridge this thursday at TT the Bears which is located near the Central Square stop of the Red Line. It's right behind the Middle East on Brookline St. Natalie Flanagan at 9 pm, Susan at 9:50, Patti Rothberg at 10:45, Scarlet Haven at 11:45. Went to Newbury comics today to look at comic books...saw a NEW Beautiful South cd import on Go Discs...No real info on their official website, so no telling if Ark21 is gonna release it in the states like they did their last album. The album is called _Quench_...searching various online sites, A&B Sound has it for 10.99 US (god i love www.absound.ca). Also, A&B has the new Holly Cole album too (well, new old stuff) called _Treasure_ for 10.99 US. Don't forget that Holly will be on Sessions on PBS this week! Yay! And finally, A&B sound also has the Trash Can Sinatras' 3rd album (available only as an import in the US, if available at all) called _Happy Pocket_ for 10.99 US. Paul "he was just a social drinker, but social every night" Kim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:57:41 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: Triphoppy stuff At 11:24 AM -0700 10/20/98, J Wermont wrote: >Tim wrote: > > I'd also recommend Tricky's first album Maxinquaye, which is an amazingly > > original masterpiece IMHO. > >OK, this is exactly the kind of recommendation I was afraid of. :) (Not >to say I don't appreciate it!) > >I have that album, which I bought because I loved the song Black Steel. >However, the rest of the album has such strong r&b influence that it >turned me off. I didn't really hear much trancy, textured, layered music >on most of the album. > >Maybe I'm not too clear on the concept of "trip-hop." I'm more interested >in the "trip" side of things than the "hop" side, if that makes sense. :) > >Joyce I'm pretty much with you on this, Joyce, at least I love their version of "Black Steel" and just like the rest of the album but don't find it demanding time on my disc player. Thus I'd re-recommend Lamb to you, and also recommend Laika, as Carol suggested. Lamb gets a double plus recommendation as I know you like emotive singing. Laika is also emotive, but more abstract as far as the subjects of their lyrics go. You might maybe also like Broadcast, though you might find them veering more toward a colder sound. I dunno. it's hard to project into someone else's tastes sometimes. - --Neile - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ..... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ..... neile@sff.net The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music .... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:11:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Colford Subject: Re: susan james thursday; new beautiful south album; new holly cole On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, Paul Kim wrote: > Also, A&B has the new Holly Cole album too (well, new old stuff) called > _Treasure_ for 10.99 US. Don't forget that Holly will be on Sessions on > PBS this week! Yay! Way cool! I had no idea she had a new one coming. (Or was it mentioned here and it's a vague memory in my overstuffed brain?) Well, i guess I'm off the A&B! And I'll be checking Sessions this weekend. Thanks for the tip, Paul! Michael n.p. Garbage - Version 2.0 - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Colford | Reading Public Library Head of Technical Services | Reading, Massachusetts colford@noblenet.org | *North of Boston Library Exchange* - -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 13:37:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Old Spice Subject: Re: Triphoppy stuff - ---J Wermont wrote: > > Tim wrote: > > I'd also recommend Tricky's first album Maxinquaye, which is an amazingly > > original masterpiece IMHO. > > OK, this is exactly the kind of recommendation I was afraid of. :) (Not > to say I don't appreciate it!) > > I have that album, which I bought because I loved the song Black Steel. > However, the rest of the album has such strong r&b influence that it > turned me off. I didn't really hear much trancy, textured, layered music > on most of the album. > > Maybe I'm not too clear on the concept of "trip-hop." I'm more interested > in the "trip" side of things than the "hop" side, if that makes sense. :) Though I understand where you're coming from, I think it may be the case that you're not entirely clear on the concept of "trip-hop." Tricky's _Maxinquaye_ is really just about the purest representative of the genre that is referred to as "trip-hop." As far as my understanding of the genre goes--and I'm a huge fan; I probably have 60 or 70 discs that fall somewhere within the purview of the term--insofar as you don't like _Maxinquaye_, that far do you not like trip-hop. Keep in mind that, obviously, half the term comes from the phrase "hip-hop," so if you have a huge aversion to hip-hop, you're likely to have problems with "trip-hop." Don't get me wrong; I'm not a fan of the _term_ (I think it's very limiting); I'm a fan of the music referred to by the term. If you're looking for music that's not quite so hip-hoppy, try maybe Smoker's Delight (smooth and groovy; its R&B aspect is filtered through a kind of pomo-Motown feel; the music is light and way tasty); Silent Poets (darker sound; wonky, avant-gardey juxtapositions of samples and instrumentation); 9 Lazy 9 (way fun; poppier, dancier, still deeply textured and complex); and possibly my personal favorite among the whole loose school, Nobukazu Takemura: a true jazz, nearly worthy of Jobim, woven from voices, instruments, and samples into solid, transparent, beautiful music. As far as Massive Attack goes, I come down very strongly in favor of _Protection_. Though I like _Mezzanine_ a lot--it'll probably end up somewhere near my year's top ten--_Protection_ is a much more varied and solid album. And I really like (name blank: the Everything But The Girl girl)'s work with them much more than Liz Frazer's. - --Charley _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 14:09:39 -0700 (PDT) From: J Wermont Subject: Re: Triphoppy stuff Charley wrote: > Keep in mind that, obviously, half the term comes from the > phrase "hip-hop," so if you have a huge aversion to hip-hop, you're > likely to have problems with "trip-hop." Actually, I do like rap and hip-hop. I'm talking about the more languid stuff on Maxinquaye, such as the song, "Hell is Around the Corner" which comes right after Black Steel. It's not that I hate that music (I certainly don't have a huge aversion to it), but it's not the kind of thing I think of when someone talks about "trippy music," even though that's evidently what several people here did mean by that phrase. > If you're looking for music that's not quite so hip-hoppy, try > maybe Smoker's Delight (smooth and groovy; its R&B aspect is filtered > through a kind of pomo-Motown feel; the music is light and way tasty); No, that would be even further from what I'm looking for. Aak! Sorry I'm being so difficult!! It's hard to describe music in just words, and I'm sure I started the miscommunication to begin with by latching onto the term "trip-hop" incorrectly. OK, here's what I thought "trippy" music meant: Ethereal, maybe a bit new-agey, with various "world" sounds, maybe some chanting, in addition to studio effects such as distortions, delays, and sampling. Lots of texture, and heavy percussion (with *lots* of drums and other percussive instruments). With the exception of a few cuts, the songs on Maxinquaye are fairly sparse by comparison. I *don't* hate the album - in fact occasionally, I get in just the right mood for it. But I wouldn't go out of my way to find other music that is similar to that (unless we're talking about "Black Steel"). One time I was in a coffeeshop and I heard this fabulous multi-layered chanting music - sounded like it was coming from a Tibetan monestary or something. There were also many big-sounding drums and gongs, all going furiously with complex rhythms. It had both Asian and African influences, and had a hypnotic, very trancy feeling to me. Unlike a lot of music that gets categorized as "trance," it had a lot of rhythm and drive (which I find more trance-inducing anyway). So I went up to the counter and asked what they were playing. They told me it was called "Loop Guru." Unfortunately, I made the big mistake of not asking the name of the particular album - the next time I went to a record store, I picked up something from the Loop Guru bin and it didn't sound a thing like the wonderful music I'd heard in the coffeeshop. Instead, it was mostly just boring, monotonous dance tracks. No chanting, no Asian/African drumming (just a drum machine as far as I could tell). So forget the term "trip-hop" - that's obviously not what I'm trying to get at. Sorry again for the confusion. I don't know *what* to call the music I'm referring to, but I would use the words "trippy" or "trancy" to describe it, because that's what it did to me. By the way, does my description of the mystery Loop Guru music ring a bell with anyone?? > And I really like (name blank: the Everything But The Girl girl)'s > work with them much more than Liz Frazer's. Tracy Thorne. Love her voice! Joyce ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:57:01 -0600 From: neal copperman Subject: Re: Triphoppy stuff At 11:57 AM -0700 10/20/98, Neile Graham wrote: >You might maybe also like Broadcast, though you might find them veering >more toward a colder sound. I dunno. it's hard to project into someone >else's tastes sometimes. That's in the pile of tapes I brought with me to get better aquainted with. On the flip side of Mary Lydia Ryan which I asked about a few weeks ago. I can't recall how long ago Neile made me that tape, but I finally gave it many serious listens, and am quite fond of both sides. I don't think I'd consider Broadcast to be trip-hoppy, per se, but I really like Work and Not Work. Who are they? And do they have more? They did have a sort of off-kilterness which is somewhat akin to trip-hop, but didn't seem as driving. It was also reminiscent, in a vague second-hand way, of Lisa Germano. More in terms of delivery and phrasing than sound or vocals or content. Anyway, I rather like it, and there was one particular song that was a standout, which of course I can't figure out from looking at the titles . How's that for helpful? Neal np: Dexy's Midnight Runners - Because of You (Hey, we were talking about the 80's, right?) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:07:50 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Broadcast neal copperman wrote: >I don't think I'd >consider Broadcast to be trip-hoppy, per se, but I really like Work and Not >Work. Who are they? And do they have more? No more--just an ep that's a subset of the album. I don't know much about them, either, but I love Work and Not Work. When I did the Ectophiles' Guide entry for them I couldn't find anything about them on the 'net. >They did have a sort of off-kilterness which is somewhat akin to trip-hop, >but didn't seem as driving. That off-kilterness reminds me of Pram. >It was also reminiscent, in a vague >second-hand way, of Lisa Germano. More in terms of delivery and phrasing >than sound or vocals or content. Hmm. Yes, that makes sense. >Anyway, I rather like it, and there was >one particular song that was a standout, which of course I can't figure out >from looking at the titles . How's that for helpful? There are several standout songs for me: "Message From Home", "Accidentals", "We've Got Time" and "According To No Plan". in the Guide I describe them as Ethereal techno pop, which seems as good a label as any. FYI, in the Portishead entry I said "Portishead pioneered a certain kind of vocal-anchored electronica, a kind of evocative/eclectic ethereal techno jazz/pop" Am I close, anyone? - --Neile - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ..... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ..... neile@sff.net The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music .... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 18:18:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Ofer Inbar Subject: Re: Triphoppy stuff J Wermont wrote: > OK, here's what I thought "trippy" music meant: > > Ethereal, maybe a bit new-agey, with various "world" sounds, maybe some > chanting, in addition to studio effects such as distortions, delays, and > sampling. Lots of texture, and heavy percussion (with *lots* of drums > and other percussive instruments). I'm not sure any of these are exactly what you're describing, but... Hector Zazou - Songs From the Cold Seas Alison Brown - Look Left (no vocals) Dissidenten - Instinctive Traveller, Jungle book anything by Ofra Haza anything by Sheila Chandra Which of those are you not yet familiar with? Of the ones you do know, which are anywhere like what you're looking for here? Also, have you listened to any of the 1990s vodou/rara world music coming out of Haiti? Bands like Boukman Eksperyans, Boukan Ginen, RAM, and Rara Machine. No studio effects, but excellent trancy percussion, world sounds, chanting and singing. I really love the stuff, and I list the band that created this style, Boukman Eksperyans, in my rather exclusionary pantheon :) -- Cos (Ofer Inbar) -- cos@leftbank.com cos@cs.brandeis.edu "I am convinced that He [God] does not play dice." -- Albert Einstein "But he [Einstein] was wrong. And in fact, anyone who has played role-playing games knows that God probably had to roll quite a few dice to come up with a character like Einstein. :-)" -- Larry Wall ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 15:21:33 -0700 (PDT) From: James Gurley Subject: Re: Broadcast Two additions. Broadcast have been mentored by Stereolab who put out one of their first two singles. Also, Portishead as pioneers? Hmmm. I'd say they picked up on the sound pioneered by Massive Attack (When Tricky was with them). Portishead's addition to this genre was the film soundtrack and spaghetti western feel they accented their songs with on _Dummy_. - --Jim On Tue, 20 Oct 1998, Neile Graham wrote: > neal copperman wrote: > > >I don't think I'd > >consider Broadcast to be trip-hoppy, per se, but I really like Work and Not > >Work. Who are they? And do they have more? > > No more--just an ep that's a subset of the album. I don't know much about > them, either, but I love Work and Not Work. When I did the Ectophiles' > Guide entry for them I couldn't find anything about them on the 'net. > > >They did have a sort of off-kilterness which is somewhat akin to trip-hop, > >but didn't seem as driving. > > That off-kilterness reminds me of Pram. > > >It was also reminiscent, in a vague > >second-hand way, of Lisa Germano. More in terms of delivery and phrasing > >than sound or vocals or content. > > Hmm. Yes, that makes sense. > > >Anyway, I rather like it, and there was > >one particular song that was a standout, which of course I can't figure out > >from looking at the titles . How's that for helpful? > > There are several standout songs for me: "Message From Home", > "Accidentals", "We've Got Time" and "According To No Plan". > > in the Guide I describe them as Ethereal techno pop, which seems as good a > label as any. > > FYI, in the Portishead entry I said "Portishead pioneered a certain kind of > vocal-anchored electronica, a kind of evocative/eclectic ethereal techno > jazz/pop" > > Am I close, anyone? > > --Neile > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Neile Graham ..... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ..... neile@sff.net > The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music .... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V4 #375 **************************