From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V4 #368 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, October 15 1998 Volume 04 : Number 368 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Roy and more sighs of relief :) [FAMarcus@aol.com] RE: Roy and more sighs of relief :) ["Foghorn J Fornorn" ] Happy in Philly - another review [Jet Girl ] Looking for more Jennifer Kimball [Riphug@aol.com] Re: Looking for more Jennifer Kimball [Valerie Nozick ] Re: the hope blister [Greg Jumper ] Tori in Spartanburg SC ["Chris Stack" ] beth orton boston show moved; plus help [Paul Kim ] Re: what poster signing??? ["C. K. Coney" ] Re: Happy at Philly! ["C. K. Coney" ] Saddest Song You Know ["C. K. Coney" ] Re: Saddest Song You Know [Jeff Wasilko ] Re: what poster signing??? [HORTER!!!! ] Re: Saddest Song You Know [Brian Bloom ] Re: Saddest Song You Know ["Bill" ] Re: Saddest Song You Know ["Kevin Pease" ] Re: what poster signing??? [Paul Blair ] Re: beth orton boston show moved; plus help [Michael Curry ] Re: Saddest Song You Know [Ofer Inbar ] Re: Saddest song [Valerie Kraemer ] Re: Saddest Song You Know ["Larry S. Greenfield" ] Re: Saddest Song You Know [Paul Blair ] Re: Saddest Song You Know [JavaHo@aol.com] Re: Saddest Song You Know [Mark Lowry ] poster-signing... [Sharon Nichols ] Re: Looking for more Jennifer Kimball [Carolyn Andre ] Re: Saddest Song You Know ["Michael P. Hayes" ] Re: what poster signing??? ["Michael P. Hayes" ] Re: Saddest Song You Know [Mary Bennion ] Re: Saddest Song You Know [Steve VanDevender ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 05:19:24 EDT From: FAMarcus@aol.com Subject: Re: Roy and more sighs of relief :) In a message dated 10/15/98 12:32:20 AM Eastern Daylight Time, foghornj@earthlink.net writes: << I mean, if it would help, I would volunteer to sleep with Jodie Foster, play some tunes for her... but she's probably not up for it, look at all the trouble that other guy caused. :} >> I don't know how to tell you this but Jody, to the best of my knowledge, is gay. Maybe you could turn her around. Good luck. I for one love Contact, by the way!!!! And I think that Roy is a catchy tune that could be a commercial hit that could draw more people in to discover Happy. Whatever it takes. I trust Happy's integrety. But if it was me I'd would make PROOF the single. No doubt in my mind that would be the one. And I enjoyed Happy as much as anyone did in Philly. Hell, her voice is amazing. The band was great. I'd like the drums muted a little. This is not a rock act. He needs to be more of a percussionist. But the light show needs a lot of work. A lot. It needs to work in unison with Happy and the songs. It needs direction. The smoke needs to be mixed in with the light better too. And Happy needs to be accented better with the lights. This is the learning stages and I didnt expect much. Time sould fix all this. Trial and error. I did find out at the Painted Bride Art Center that I too can be an artist. fred m. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:39:03 -0400 From: "Foghorn J Fornorn" Subject: RE: Roy and more sighs of relief :) My first choice for a single would have been Proof too, but I think I know why it was not. The mainstream (esp. dance fans) wants a consistent back beat. The quirky breakdown of the groove during the verses of Proof is probably what scared the p.r. folks away from choosing it. Roy is a little more consistent, if that's what you're after. I saw the Bearsville show and the Troy show. At Troy, the projections were actually working as planned - you could see Happy watch them and smile during some of the tunes that others say were problematic at other shows. Troy may also be the only place where the lighting really made sense and complemented the show. But Troy has a very special little concert hall there. Too bad the powers that be chose to disguise it as a bank. The Bearsville show was apparently a dress rehearsal. I think that best explains Happy's own amusement in spite of all the things that were not quite right. >> I don't know how to tell you this but Jody, to the best of my knowledge, is gay. Dang! Thought I was on to something there... oh well. Anyone else got any bright ideas? fog ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:11:40 -0400 From: "Rod Kratochwill" Subject: Re: Roy and more sighs of relief :) C. K. Coney wrote: >Well, I already put my hand up as one that likes "Roy" least. >I know Vickie doesn't like it. That's two hands. >It may be the most accessible to us, however, but I think >little kids would like it due to the "sing-songy" melody line. >Anyone with kids want to field test this track? >:-) My nine year old hasn't "field tested" the whole CD yet, the CD changer in the car only rotates to MWABT after Nsync and Celine Dion have played and it is finally my turn to pick the CD. We have made it up to _Ra_Is_A_Busy_God_ and she commented on the chorus "Even the leaves laugh..." as sounding "kid like". We then had an interesting discussion about the theme of the song. I will have to report on the results later when we finally get to hear Roy. Rod np: MWABT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:41:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Jet Girl Subject: Happy in Philly - another review Winter. Wow. Wow. Wow. Cohabitants - cry, i LOVE this song, and it was such a bummer the one mike was not cooperating - the discordant voices are so crucial to making it a really powerful song - i mean not that it wasn't powerful, it always makes me shake. I have to say Serenading Genius was not one of my favorites but performed live it was fantastic. Unlike most of the other shows I have seen where the songs are much more powerful performed live than on the cd/tape I felt that some of the songs in this show were better on the CD. Alot of that has to do with sound problems etc. Overall the show was not the best Happy show i've seen. But damn Happy was a hottie in that dress! and damn Happy's voice continually amazes the shit outta me! i just want to cry when she hits some of those notes... Frankly I was just happy to be there seeing Happy live again, and seeing Mama Ecto and meeting all the other ectophiles some new some old. I hope Happy can make it to DC - 930 club!? I hope that she's able to do many more shows and gets the kinks out of the multimedia stuff - some of which was very cool, some of which i honestly felt was kinda cheesy, but then i guess i have high expectations. and oh yeah the band was tight and solid. kevin was brill as usual, carl seemed a bit off in places but grooved nevertheless, but what's with the shrill keyboardist with the long hair - at times he was a little grating, otherwise nice nice stuff... morework.lessplay. kIrI jetgrrl@magenta.com http://magenta.com/~jetgrrl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:22:46 EDT From: Riphug@aol.com Subject: Looking for more Jennifer Kimball According to Jennifer's website, she's on two recent compilations: **an ASCAP compilation of lots of different kinds of writers who are affiliated with ASCAP called "The Ear." It comes out in September and I have no idea where you can get one. And, a local compilation record which is a benefit for a local Battered Women's Shelter and Resource Center called "Respond." All kinds of great local girl artists are included here; Catie Curtis among them. ** Could anyone in the Boston area help me find these, please? Jill :D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:47:33 -0400 From: Valerie Nozick Subject: Re: Looking for more Jennifer Kimball Did anyone catch the package on Jennifer Kimball on this morning's Morning Edition? I caught just the tail end of it, but it was excellent. What would it take to get Happy the same coverage? *sigh* ==> Valerie Riphug@aol.com wrote: > According to Jennifer's website, she's on two recent compilations: > > **an ASCAP compilation of lots of different kinds of writers who are > affiliated with ASCAP called "The Ear." It comes out in September and I have > no idea where you can get one. > > And, a local compilation record which is a benefit for a local Battered > Women's Shelter and Resource Center called "Respond." All kinds of great local > girl artists are included here; Catie Curtis among them. ** > > Could anyone in the Boston area help me find these, please? > > Jill :D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:47:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Jumper Subject: Re: the hope blister Irvin asked: can anyone tell me about the band THE HOPE BLISTER? they are on 4AD and i keep on running across their import CD, with a big ole hype sticker on top that says "A sequel of sorts to THIS MORTAL COIL" which of course gets me all intrigued.... I think The Hope Blister is fine, but it's no This Mortal Coil to me. I still pull out the TMC albums on a fairly regular basis, but I doubt I'll listen to this new album too frequently. Even though Hope has the same "band" throughout, I get less of a sense of a "grand design" to the project than I did with TMC. It's a plus that Louise Rutkowski is the vocalist for Hope -- I particularly like the songs featuring her and sister Deirdre on the TMC albums. (I had it in my mind that it was Deirdre I especially liked; however, looking back at the credits, I don't see how I would have determined that...) _Smile's OK_, the Hope Blister album, seems fairly pedestrian compared to the TMC albums. Greg np: Peter Hammill just finished; maybe Melissa Ferrick's new one next... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:12:53 -0400 From: "Chris Stack" Subject: Tori in Spartanburg SC I just saw Tori in Spartanburg SC last night. As the locals say, "She kicked ass". At least no one yelled out FREEBIRD! ;) Interesting Historical footnote: Spartanburg Memorial Auditorium is right next to Wofford College, were Tori's dad went to school before he decided to become a preacher. She said when he was there all he wanted was to be like James Dean. She felt a little strange playing there. ========================================== Chris ========================================== ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:52:39 -0400 From: Paul Kim Subject: beth orton boston show moved; plus help I went to buy a ticket for the Beth Orton/Ron Sexsmith show that was supposed to happen November 5th at the Paradise in boston and they guy looked at his computer and told me it was cancelled. So i checked today's edition of the Boston Phoenix and it's not listed anymore. Poo. Oh, wait...looking further into the paper, I see that it has been moved to the Landsdowne Playhouse next to Mama Kin! Woohoo :) Tickets are 9 dollars and it's 18+. What else. Oh, can someone tell me how to get to the Somerville Theater by T? I'm going for the Nields show this Friday and i'm not sure how to get there :) I have been informed that Deanna Kirk is scheduled to play at the Kendall Cafe at 8 pm on friday and Lhasa is supposed to go on at 10 there. I'm not sure if I'm gonna go to Deanna's set and then book it to Somerville for the Nields. Also of interest on Friday is Rasputina at Mama Kin; Combustible Edison in-store at Tower in Cambridge at 5pm with a cd release party later that night at Chau Chow City. other shows coming up in beantown: October 17th at the Plough and Stars - Trina Hamlin at Borders Books in Braintree - Katie McMahon October 19th at The Burren - Katie McMahon October 22nd at TT the Bear's - Susan James, Patti Rothberg October 23rd at TT the Bear's - Barbara Manning October 24th at Emerson Umbrella - Susan Werner at the Paradise - Melissa Ferrick at the Middle East - Juliana Hatfield (more girls with guitars) October 29th at the Middle East - Cat Power at the Paradise - Moxy Fruvous with Jess Kline October 30th at the Paradise - Fastball with David Garza and Joan Jones (she formerly of Sun 60) October 31st at the Paradise - the Cardigans November 1st at the Middle East - The Rachels November 2nd at the Avalon - PJ Harvey with the Rachels November 6th at Karma - Neil Finn November 9th at the Paradise - Glen Phillips of Toad the Wet Sprocket, John Doe of X, Stevie Poltz, Pete Droge November 17th at the Tsongas Arena - Tori and there's a lot more that i'm not gonna write down because I'm lazy that way (Jennifer Kimball, Garbage, Anggun) Paul "slumber is for the weak" Kim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:21:07 -0400 From: Paul Blair Subject: Re: "Uncut" free 4AD cd Tom Horter wrote on Tue, 13 Oct 1998: >Subject: "Uncut" free 4AD cd > >Fwd'd from the Belly list. Looks interesting... >Don't think there are any really rare tracks, but it is a good sampler, imo. >Time to go shopping! This seemed a good way to find out about a lot of bands I've heard about on the list but who are only names to me. However, I trooped around the village today at lunchtime and can only find an October 1998 issue of "Uncut," sans CD. Any idea if the CD is in a different (hopefully upcoming) issue? - --Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:47:20 -0700 From: "C. K. Coney" Subject: Re: what poster signing??? I don't think anyone is at "fault" here. Sometimes promises are made on optimistic hopes, but everything doesn't always turn out the way we hope.In Philly a few of us wanted signed posters, of course, but we sensed that with the remaining tour schedule very hectic, Happy would probably want to hit the road or sleep, or both. I think all of us went with the flow & just bought our posters, and we took them home unsigned. I guess the folks in Troy had greater expectations since the email was specific to Troy, but that was even later in the tour, and Happy and company had to hoof it up to New York City, which can be a hectic, crazy, energy-draining place in itself (and there was a lot of rain predicted, which it looks like ya'll got...that makes for tense driving and possible schedule delays.) I just don't think it's fair to gang up on Samson. From the looks of it they gave Happy a lot of tour support (for a newly signed artist)...which is more than acts like October Project got from Sony. Frankly, I'm surprised Happy got to tour with a full band and had resources like state of the art lighting and a dual-projection system. To take all of that on the road costs real money, and I suspect Samson picked up all or a good part of the tab. I personally would like to thank Samson for their investment in Happy. I had a terrific time, and it was worth every penny I spent to fly to Philly to see that show. Samson helped make my dream of seeing Happy live in concert a reality. Carol Foghorn J Fornorn wrote: > Sharon, Samson posted many of us directly. I waited based on this, not any > ecto-mention. So don't be too hard on yourself about it. > > I have not done so yet, but this looks like a candidate email address to > complain to, no? > > -----Original Message----- Subject: Signed Posters - Troy, NY > From: Kevin McManus [mailto:kmcmanus@goldo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 10:57 AM > To: woj@smoe.org; jeffw@smoe.org; dsr@lns598.lns.cornell.edu; > lcliffor@bbn.com; PKULAWEC@liverpool.ac.uk; klatta@icpsr.umich.edu; > ecto-list@ifi.uio.no; ECTODST@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU; SANDOVAL@stsci.edu; > ecto-dist@Beyond.Dreams.ORG; uli@zoodle.robin.de; ecto@dream.demos.su; > lorenz@olymp.wu-wien.ac.at; freeform@aol.com; Laane@cs.stanford.edu; > chris@neuron.uchc.edu; milts@mse.ogi.edu; cvilline@comp.uark.edu; > pmcohen@netaxs.com; hoh@approve.se; maryb@sco.com; JSC@gumby.oup-usa.org; > juliet@netaxs.com; jl@ou.edu; jwenn@cp10.es.xerox.com; jsutton@rahul.net; > bvmi@odin.cc.pdx.edu; jzitt@humansystems.com; menion@epix.net; > d92-ten@nada.kth.se; h93-ali@sokrates.mip.ki.se; joc@netaxs.com; > lumpy@rtd.com; joao@scallabis.inesc.pt; ericbr@oz.net; > valkraemer@igc.apc.org; ptv@rtp.scm-metals.com; ecto@xymox.apana.org.au; > drotschm@athene.informatik.uni-bonn.de; GregDunn@indy.net; > KSHUSAS@jack.clarku.edu; dbucak@netaxs.com; larnep@pathfinder.com; > LynnGarret@aol.com; dmayowel@access.digex.net; scottz@best.com; ho@his.com; > myoung@valleyoak.herb.berkeley.edu; emjay@netcom.com; tekkla@teleport.com; > mcurry@io.com; Donald.T.Bakutis@lucent.com; stroyan@execpc.com; > gothic@uwyo.edu; prusso@scsn.net; djs2@ptd.net; > stevev@hexadecimal.uoregon.edu; robemink@pawneenet.com; philipda@li.net; > Susan.Kay.Anderson@m.cc.utah.edu; dbreslin@ctol.net; anthony@math.lbl.gov; > jchigdon@artsci.wustl.edu; meth@smoe.org; alana@falco.kuci.uci.edu; > zaphod@oz.net; mikerob@computek.net; elan@access.digex.net; > moose@obscure.org; speedygo@mindspring.com; afries@zip.com.au; > ecto-local@isltd.insignia.com; cinnamon@one.net; psfblair@ix.netcom.com; > dbx@aa.net; neile@sff.net; peterf@sara.la.asu.edu; dlw@sympatico.ca; > imy@wcl-rs.bham.ac.uk; rlovejoy@bellatlantic.net; kerrywhite@webtv.net; > colford@noblenet.org; krj6@netsun.cl.msu.edu; psclark@dircon.co.uk; > mfischer@aol.net; jmg@serv.net; vickie@wwa.com; sterling.2@osu.edu; > stuart@sph.emory.edu; tela@tela.bc.ca; birdies@ix.netcom.com; > jburka@cqi.com; dliebson@alum.mit.edu; TivoliDK@aol.com; > 113120.307@compuserve.com; valerie@smoe.org; mageeol@mail.auburn.edu; > JavaHo@aol.com; gegertha@tiac.net; metron@tezcat.com; BridgesM@logica.com; > Bunnies@cris.com; aamato@dti.net; bossert@bodhran.csd.sgi.com; > jumeaux@pobox.com; carolyn@house-of-music.com; markfrab@microsoft.com; > jsorva@niksula.hut.fi; bobbrown@fast.net; jgreshes@netaxs.com; > toys@fan.net.au; ericn@cfer.com; cdrouin@locus.ca; afinney@ozonline.com.au; > bill@wagill.com; justicek@edge.net; panflx@earthlink.net; rjk1@cs.wustl.edu; > mmatthews@loudoun.com; liz@aoainc.com; jjhanson@worldnet.att.net; > graywolfwla@earthlink.net; paolo_rech@swissbank.com; > eric-ecto@scintilla.utwente.nl; merlin@verio.com; > mk59200@students.cc.tut.fi; rkonrad@javanet.com; fleur@one.net; > jjh969@juno.com; tim.cook@swift.com; rkb200@is5.nyu.edu; ken@sj.ptc.com; > tom@hbsrx.com; brianb@mooman.com; jessica@gratuitous.com; > Carnivore@bigfoot.com; Horter3@paonline.com; MrJim@off-road.net; > Hiptones@aol.com; ksilver@3com-ne.com; lissener@yahoo.com; > KBolin0418@aol.com; culhane@eagle.ca; kyrlidis@alum.mit.edu; > kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net; mrl220@aol.com; janeequa@hotmail.com; > cos@polyamory.org; Dirk.Kastens@rz.uni-osnabrueck.de; Penta5@aol.com; > sherlyn@fl.net.au; julesette@softhome.net; beckym@gehenna2.rutgers.edu; > PunkaPixie@aol.com; htominack@erols.com; jwermont@sonic.net; > denneuli@shawnee.imag.fr; FAMarcus@aol.com; ken@engr.st.3com.com; > James.R.Mitchell@wheaton.edu; melvin@columbia.edu; > mwellck@casnotes1.calacademy.org; bfry@tardis.aris.net; Riphug@aol.com; > cmont@rci.rutgers.edu; maeldun@i-2000.com; stunning@tezcat.com; > foghornj@earthlink.net; chip@acronet.net; echo@acpub.duke.edu; > ckc2@mindspring.com; rstarr@eskimo.com; drum@traverse.net; > Faerymouse@aol.com; Silme@ix.netcom.com; stephany@hungry.com; > mlowry@star-telegram.com; br1011@pacbell.net; kmcmanus@goldo.com; > davecook@wt.com.au; elizbrown@mindspring.com; fandarel@icubed.com; > cam.smith@dial.pipex.com; onealien@mo.himolde.no; cathy@Radix.Net; > lvermeer@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca; chad@chop.swmed.edu; eperkins@nas.edu; > bossert@fuaim.com; undertheivy@hotmail.com; mariner-1@mindspring.com; > pkkim@student.berklee.edu > Subject: Signed Posters - Troy, NY > > Dear Ectophile, > > We (Samson Music) would like to inform you that Happy Rhodes will be signing > posters after the Troy, NY show (October 12th). The posters will be > provided free of charge. > > Enjoy the shows and thank you for the support!!! > > Sincerely, > > Kevin Mc. > (Samson Music) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:55:38 -0700 From: "C. K. Coney" Subject: Re: Happy at Philly! Hi, Matt, Were you sitting in second elevated row stage left or stage right? Just curious...a lot of us were in first elevated row, stage right. And there were some below us... last level row on either side. And probably other places beyond! "Just follow the bouncing glowstick"!!! Carol (who would liked to have met you and FA Marcus and others I know were there) Matthew Levy wrote: > I guess I'll step out of my lurker mode and add my 2 cents about Happy's > Philly show. It was my first and I thorougly enjoyed it! It's > unfortunate that Happy experienced all those vocal mike and video > problems, but what came out was still excellent! Hearing a full band, > especially live percussion, made it all worthwhile. I hope Happy keeps > a similar set-up for her next studio album. My one little gripe about > Happy's albums is the artificial percussion in some of the songs. > > I feel sorry for those poor souls who took seats in the first couple > rows. I sat there for Tom Freund's set (who I thought was similar to > David Lowery of Camper Van Beethoven/Cracker fame). Not only were they > uncomfortable, you had absolutely NO legroom! I moved up to the 2nd > elevated row for Happy's set and that was a helluva lot better! > > Unfortunately I didn't really get to meet other Ectophiles at the show, > but I could tell who they were by either the glowsticks or overhearing > particular conversations. But I did meet Vickie! Vickie, I was the guy > standing in line for my ticket who you asked "Are you an ectophile?" > because I happened to look at you. I said I was an ecto-lurker and > asked how the dinner at Dinaerdo's was. BTW, thanx for the glowstick! > > Well, that's it! I heard that because the show was sold-out, there will > be another one at the Painted Bride scheduled. Is this true? I hope > so, because I'd like to meet other ectophiles at a time when I'm not > stressed out with medical school mid-terms! > > Matt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:23:04 -0700 From: "C. K. Coney" Subject: Saddest Song You Know What are the saddest songs you know? I want to play them, because my heart is heavy today. I'm sad even though I've done something in reaction to the brutal murder by homophobes of Matt Shepard in Wyoming.. I've written letters to my congresspeople to ask them to support the Hate Crimes Prevention Act (H.R. 3081 and S. 1529). This morning Kriston and I wrote an extra donation, in honor of Matt, to an organization we give to monthly, the Southern Poverty Law Center (www.splcenter.org) for the "Teaching Tolerance" program and for their work monitoring hate groups. Tonight I'm going to a candlelight vigil at Emory U. in Atlanta after a campus showing of the doc film, "The Life and Times of Harvey Milk". Yet I'm still in the mood to play the saddest songs I can find...maybe so I can have a good cry. Music always does the trick when I'm like this. The saddest song I know is "Sanvean" by DCD. What is the saddest song you know? Carol ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:35:23 -0400 From: Jeff Wasilko Subject: Re: Saddest Song You Know On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 04:23:04PM -0700, C. K. Coney wrote: > Yet I'm still in the mood to play the saddest > songs I can find...maybe so I can have a good cry. > Music always does the trick when I'm like this. > The saddest song I know is "Sanvean" by DCD. What > is the saddest song you know? 'Cause Cheap Is How I Feel by the Cowboy Junkies ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:30:43 -0400 From: HORTER!!!! Subject: Re: what poster signing??? While disappointed that the signing didn't happen, even though I didn't go to the show, I was a bit shocked to get the announcement from Samson records about it. It looks to me like they pillaged the ecto roster and sent it to everyone individually. Maybe I am a bit out of line, but that seems wrong. If they wanted all the ecto folk to get the announcement, post it to ecto! Tom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:57:30 -0700 From: Brian Bloom Subject: Re: Saddest Song You Know At 04:23 PM 10/15/98 -0700, C. K. Coney wrote: >Yet I'm still in the mood to play the saddest >songs I can find...maybe so I can have a good cry. >Music always does the trick when I'm like this. >The saddest song I know is "Sanvean" by DCD. What >is the saddest song you know? > Personally, "The Last Leviathan" by Rory Block tends to get me choked up if I let myself get into the song... Other runner ups (for me, anyway) KaTe - This Woman's Work (more "welling up of emotions" than actual sadness) [Plus you have to picture the drop of blood hitting the floor from "She's Having a Baby"... (okay, fess up out there.. I can't be the only one affected by this...)] Paul Simon - Late Great Johnny Ace (only moderately sad) Harry Chapin - Cat's in the Cradle (more depressing than sad) and most renditions of "Amazing Grace" played on Scottish bagpipes. moo. Brian (getting-a-little-twitchy-just-thinking-about-some-of-these) Bloom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:00:25 -0700 From: "Bill" Subject: Re: Saddest Song You Know On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:23:04 -0700, C. K. Coney wrote: >What is the saddest song you know? "Feel Like Going Home", by The Notting Hillbillies (Mark Knopfler's "other" band). - - Bill. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:59:14 -0400 From: "Kevin Pease" Subject: Re: Saddest Song You Know >Yet I'm still in the mood to play the saddest >songs I can find...maybe so I can have a good cry. >Music always does the trick when I'm like this. >The saddest song I know is "Sanvean" by DCD. What >is the saddest song you know? These always do it for me: "Walking Higher" and "Water From Wine" by Heather Nova "Moses" and "Mary" by Patty Griffin "William" by Chris Knight Kevin - ---------- Kevin Pease kbpease@boston.crosswinds.net (ICQ UIN: 3106063) (AOL Instant Messenger: kbpease) http://www.crosswinds.net/boston/~kbpease ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:09:12 -0400 From: Paul Blair Subject: Re: what poster signing??? Tom posted to the ecto list: >While disappointed that the signing didn't happen, even though I didn't go >to the show, I was a bit shocked to get the announcement from Samson >records about it. It looks to me like they pillaged the ecto roster and >sent it to everyone individually. I don't think so--it looked to me as if those were e-mail addresses they got from people who had gone to the site and indicated some interest in Happy. Their main mistake was not putting the list in the "Bcc:" field so they wouldn't show up in the address header. - --Paul [who blind cc'd K. McManus, the Samson sender, on this message] ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:20:40 -0400 From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: beth orton boston show moved; plus help At 12:52 PM 10/15/98 -0400, Paul Kim wrote: >What else. Oh, can someone tell me how to get to the Somerville >Theater by T? I'm going for the Nields show this Friday and i'm >not sure how to get there :) I have been informed that Deanna Kirk >is scheduled to play at the Kendall Cafe at 8 pm on friday and >Lhasa is supposed to go on at 10 there. I'm not sure if I'm gonna >go to Deanna's set and then book it to Somerville for the Nields. I recently asked Jeff this question, so I know the answer! Take the Red line to the Davis Sq. stop and then it's either right next to you or right across the street from you, depending on which exit you use. Jeff, woj, Meredith and I will all be there. Jeff got us some damned good seats, so we're sitting up toward the front somewhere. I would *strongly* urge you (and any other ectophiles planning on attending the show) not to skip Pamela Means. If you've never seen her before than you're really missing something. Of course, skipping Richard Shindell is a poor idea as well. :) >October 22nd at TT the Bear's - Susan James, Patti Rothberg Hmm... exactly where is TT the Bear's? Mike np: Cry, Cry, Cry | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@smoe.org | | http://www.io.com/~mcurry | | Am I bitter? Do I sound bitter? -- Veda Hille | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:25:36 -0400 From: Valerie Nozick Subject: Re: Saddest Song You Know "Moments of Pleasure" by Kate Bush makes me cry nearly every time. ==> Valerie C. K. Coney wrote: > What are the saddest songs you know? I want to > play them, because my heart is heavy today. I'm > sad even though I've done something in reaction to > the brutal murder by homophobes of Matt Shepard in > Wyoming.. I've written letters to my > congresspeople to ask them to support the Hate > Crimes Prevention Act (H.R. 3081 and S. 1529). > This morning Kriston and I wrote an extra > donation, in honor of Matt, to an organization we > give to monthly, the Southern Poverty Law Center > (www.splcenter.org) for the "Teaching Tolerance" > program and for their work monitoring hate groups. > Tonight I'm going to a candlelight vigil at Emory > U. in Atlanta after a campus showing of the doc > film, "The Life and Times of Harvey Milk". > > Yet I'm still in the mood to play the saddest > songs I can find...maybe so I can have a good cry. > Music always does the trick when I'm like this. > The saddest song I know is "Sanvean" by DCD. What > is the saddest song you know? > > Carol ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:46:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Ofer Inbar Subject: Re: Saddest Song You Know Try Loreena McKennit's musical arrangement of the poem "The Highwayman", on the album Book of Secrets. Also, "Fly" by moxy fruvous, from the album Wood, works well if you've ever been there in your own life. And "A Hard Way to Die" on Carol Noonan's album Noonan Building & Wrecking. For the sad-but-cathartic category, my favorite is "I'll Meet You In the Sky" by The Nields, on 'mousse. np: Devo - greatest hits Place this quote: "Greatest Hits albums are for housewives and little girls." -- Cos (Ofer Inbar) -- cos@leftbank.com cos@cs.brandeis.edu -- WBRS (100.1 FM) -- WBRS@brandeis.edu http://www.wbrs.org/ "There's a time when you know that your love is all right, and a time when you know that it's wrong; and I might get my heart broke tonight, but I won't come undone." -- Carol Noonan, "Come Undone" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:55:10 -0400 From: Valerie Kraemer Subject: Re: Saddest song The Klezmatics had a beautiful and heartwrenching song on their _Possessed_ CD called "An Undoing World," written by Tony Kushner (the playwright). The song talks about loss and exile and living in a world that has suddenly changed for the worse. - --Valerie Kraemer ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:20:21 -0700 From: "Larry S. Greenfield" Subject: Re: Saddest Song You Know Good question! At the moment, I think I'd pick "[I Never Thought I'd See You} Full Grown," by Lisa Sanders. "I Misunderstood," by Richard Thompson, also comes to mind. Jeff Wasilko wrote: > > On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 04:23:04PM -0700, C. K. Coney wrote: > > The saddest song I know is "Sanvean" by DCD. What > > is the saddest song you know? > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:33:26 -0400 From: Angelos Kyrlidis Subject: Re: Saddest Song You Know At 04:23 PM 10/15/98 -0700, C. K. Coney wrote: > > >Yet I'm still in the mood to play the saddest > >songs I can find...maybe so I can have a good cry. > >Music always does the trick when I'm like this. > >The saddest song I know is "Sanvean" by DCD. What > >is the saddest song you know? Easy. "The saddest song" by Morphine :-), "Easy Street" by Tom Robinson, "Under the Ivy" by Kate Bush, "Indigo" by Peter Gabriel, and "Exit music (for a film)" by Radiohead. Angelos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:04:15 -0400 From: Paul Blair Subject: Re: Saddest Song You Know Carol asked: >What are the saddest songs you know? What immediately comes to mind is "Ne me quitte pas" by Jacques Brel, but you have to know French. It treads the thin line between the sorrowful and the pathetic. Ofer's suggestion of Loreena McKennitt's "The Highwayman" is also excellent. And Dire Straits' "Brothers in Arms" would always get to me. - --Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:17:23 EDT From: JavaHo@aol.com Subject: Re: Saddest Song You Know Hands down: "February" by Dar Williams from Mortal City. Could have been written word for word about the demise of my marriage...just faded in to a cold, grey, February. Sent to me by my good friend Richard, who knew how it would be received. Grief comes in many ways...Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:19:46 -0500 From: Mark Lowry Subject: Re: Saddest Song You Know C. K. Coney wrote: > What is the saddest song you know? We could probably write a thesis on sad songs. Here's *a few* my sob picks:"Tecumseh Valley" - Towns Van Zandt (and Nanci Griffith's version is nice & sad also) "Don't Let My Heart Break" - Wendy MaHarry "All the Love" and "Top of the City" - KaTe "Save Our Souls" - Happy "The Last Day of Our Acquaintance" - Sinead O'Connor "Baker Baker" - Tori ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:09:55 -0600 From: Sharon Nichols Subject: poster-signing... Nope, Happy was not given specific instructions that she was to sign posters after the Troy show. Samson does look at Ecto, but if you want to talk to them directly about anything, the way is through info@samsonmusic.com. Sharon Terra Incognita ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:37:40 -0500 From: Carolyn Andre Subject: Re: Looking for more Jennifer Kimball At 11:47 AM 10/15/98 -0400, Valerie Nozick wrote: >Did anyone catch the package on Jennifer Kimball on this morning's Morning >Edition? I caught just the tail end of it, but it was excellent. > >What would it take to get Happy the same coverage? *sigh* > >==> Valerie for those with RealAudio, today's segment with Jennifer is on the npr site, under Morning Edition. Today (Thursday), the info about the program is at: http://www.npr.org/programs/morning/archives/1998/current.html Direct link to the 5 minute clip is: http://www.npr.org/ramfiles/me/19981015.me.14.ram It coincided with my shower & hairdryer, so I only heard part of the interview. Yes, it was nice coverage - altho I felt the introductory segment (commentary about the history of The Story and some of Jennifer's comments. Came across to my pre-coffee ears as a bit much sour grapes: stressing that The Story was not a duo, Jennifer was not allowed to contribute, and performing solo is wonderful ... just a perception, but not the best lead-in) Sound clips reminded me again of how different most of my female vocalist & style tastes are from many ectophiles. Regards, Carolyn Andre - ------------------- Chicago, IL / USA | Support Independent Music! Use the Internet candre@enteract.com | Carolyn's House of Music: http://house-of-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:44:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Stuart Myerburg Subject: Re: Saddest Song You Know On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 04:23:04PM -0700, C. K. Coney wrote: > Yet I'm still in the mood to play the saddest > songs I can find...maybe so I can have a good cry. > Music always does the trick when I'm like this. > The saddest song I know is "Sanvean" by DCD. What > is the saddest song you know? "This Woman's Work" - Kate Bush "Exit Music (For a Film)" - Radiohead "Doughnut Song" - Tori Amos Stuart _________________________________________________________ Stuart Myerburg Information Services, Rollins School of Public Health http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~stuart _________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:48:43 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael P. Hayes" Subject: Re: Saddest Song You Know The only songs I can come up with at the moment are "Middle Name" by Rory Gallagher, and an Irish folk song titled "Balinderry" (assuming I spelled that one right). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:51:55 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael P. Hayes" Subject: Re: what poster signing??? On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, Paul Blair wrote: > I don't think so--it looked to me as if those were e-mail addresses they > got from people who had gone to the site and indicated some interest in > Happy. Their main mistake was not putting the list in the "Bcc:" field so > they wouldn't show up in the address header. I don't believe so... I remember getting that message, and while I did check out Samson's site, I didn't register my e-mail address there for further information... unless I did that in my sleep... -- Mike ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:10:03 -0700 From: Mary Bennion Subject: Re: Saddest Song You Know I think that saddest song I know is "it's not easy being green" by kermit the frog....really!!! i know it sounds corny, but it is a really sad song...... Larry S. Greenfield wrote: > > Good question! > At the moment, I think I'd pick "[I Never Thought I'd See You} Full > Grown," by Lisa Sanders. > "I Misunderstood," by Richard Thompson, also comes to mind. > > Jeff Wasilko wrote: > > > > On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 at 04:23:04PM -0700, C. K. Coney wrote: > > > > The saddest song I know is "Sanvean" by DCD. What > > > is the saddest song you know? > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:08:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve VanDevender Subject: Re: Saddest Song You Know A few songs come to my mind that haven't been mentioned yet: "Lay Me Down" from _Warpaint_ by Happy Rhodes "Mr. Bones" from _Limbo_ by Throwing Muses "Goodbye" and "The Walking (and constantly)" from _The Walking_ by Jane Siberry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:46:13 EDT From: JavaHo@aol.com Subject: Re: Saddest Song You Know Steve mentions: << "Lay Me Down" from _Warpaint_ by Happy Rhodes >> Yes...I can't believe it didn't occur to me. This is the perfect song if one desires to become consumed by grief...and sometimes that needs to happen. Might I suggest "Calling All Angels" by Jane Siberry as a follow-up...for when you're ready to be helped through it and pointed in the direction of hope. Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:54:02 -0400 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: Saddest song Valerie Kraemer sez: > The Klezmatics had a beautiful and heartwrenching song on their > _Possessed_ CD called "An Undoing World," written by Tony Kushner (the > playwright). The song talks about loss and exile and living in a world > that has suddenly changed for the worse. A totally amazing song, but for me it evokes hope as much as it does sadness; dunno, maybe it's just the whole 'jews perservering in the disaspora' thang. I find "Fradde's Song," on the same album and also lyrics by Kushner (from his adaptation of the yiddish play _The Dybbuk_) to be more depressing; it's sung from the point of view of the ghost of a mother who's watching her daughter's wedding, unable to participate: "But Khanele, suddenly, why do you sigh, And why does your heart break, and why do you cry?" "Strangers are leading the bridal parade While I stand unseen, alone and afraid." Let's see...some of my other fave-most-depressing songs would include: "Gloomy Sunday," but especially as performed by Sarah McLachlan, who once referred to it as the most depressing song she'd ever heard "Saints Preserve Us" by Marc Cohn (a man singing about the day in his childhood when his mother died -- I have this bad tendency to start to cry when he reaches the lines, "And in her final hour / I saw her reaching up her hands / Like she was asking to be taken high above us / Didn't she love us?"). Many folks have already mentioned KaTe's "This Woman's Work" which can be a real gut wrencher. Don't think anybody's mentioned Suzanne Vega's "The Queen and the Soldier" urgh. there are just entirely too many amazingly great depressing, sad songs. But right now, I'm just not really up to thinking of them. jeff (who hopes to weigh in with more later) - -- |Jeffrey C. Burka | moving to jburka@cqi.com -- come say hi | |http://www.cqi.com/~jburka | at the new digs...now up and running! | ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V4 #368 **************************