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ecto-digest         Friday, September 4 1998         Volume 04 : Number 306



                               Today's Subjects:
                               -----------------
  Re: Happy concerts in Philly? (group ticket purchases and get  togethers?)  [Bob Brown <bobbrown@fast.n]
  Today's your birthday, friends...                [Mike Matthews <matthewm>]
  Re: Ectophiles...a raise of hands//tour  [Mark Lowry <mlowry@startext.com>]
  Tower record signing????                 ["Xenu's Sister" <vickie@wwa.com>]
  Music in Philly - band question  ["Robert Lovejoy" <rlovejoy@bellatlantic.]
  Re: Music in Philly - band question                        [Riphug@aol.com]
  New Suzanne Vega compilation album in Europe  [Marion Kippers <Marion.Kipp]
  Re: New Suzanne Vega compilation album in Europe  ["jeffrey c. burka" <jbu]
  Re: New Suzanne Vega compilation album in Europe  ["jeffrey c. burka" <jbu]
  Re: new to me....some canadian stuff (rather long)  [Laura Clifford <lclif]
  Re: New Suzanne Vega compilation album in Europe  ["Emily Perkins" <eperki]
  Fw: ** Save $10 on your favorite CDs courtesy of Ticketmaster  ["Mike Mend]
  Happy in Troy                             ["Tom Ditto" <ditto@taconic.net>]
  We will defend you no further!                          [DaveRaver@aol.com]
  Re: New Suzanne Vega compilation album in Europe  ["jeffrey c. burka" <jbu]
  Didn't happen (Re: Tower record signing????  ["Xenu's Sister" <vickie@wwa.]
  jane et al                      ["Mike Mendelson" <mjm@harmonicvision.com>]
  re: so much to say, so little time  [Richard Holmes <rholmes@ccrma.Stanfor]
  Music in Philly - band question  [Steve VanDevender <stevev@hexadecimal.uo]
  stevev goes a-wandering  [Steve VanDevender <stevev@hexadecimal.uoregon.ed]
  re: so much to say, so little time  ["jeffrey c. burka" <jburka@raptor.cqi]
  Re: WFMU/WPKN                                     [jfrancis@villagenet.com]
  Re: WFMU/WPKN                  ["jeffrey c. burka" <jburka@raptor.cqi.com>]
  Massive Attack / Philadelphia  [Tony Goldstein <Tony.Goldstein@InfoPackagi]
  Re: Massive Attack / Philadelphia            [Neile Graham <neile@sff.net>]
  MANY WORLDS CONFIRMED TOUR DATES        [Sharon Nichols <terra@ulster.net>]
  [Fwd: dear enemy in a van]       [Heather Russell <hrussell@bellsouth.net>]
  Re: Ectophiles...a raise of hands//tour  [Paul Blair <psfblair@ix.netcom.c]
  Re: WFMU/WPKN                                    [meredith <meth@smoe.org>]
  Fw: RICHARD SHINDELL ANNOUNCEMENT: September 12th at The Bottom Line!  ["M]

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 02:15:21 -0400
From: Bob Brown <bobbrown@fast.net>
Subject: Re: Happy concerts in Philly? (group ticket purchases and get  togethers?)

I'd be glad to help with any plans or group ticket purchases for Philly
unless it's going to happen when I'm not here. I'll be in Cape Breton, Nova
Scotia from 10/8-10/18 and from what I'm reading it looks like I'm going to
miss all the fun down here. Oh well.... maybe the Philly date isn't what
was previously said.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 03:00:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mike Matthews <matthewm>
Subject: Today's your birthday, friends...

                                i*i*i*i*i*i
                                i*i*i*i*i*i
                              ***************
                            *****HAPPY*********
                      **************BIRTHDAY*********
            ***************************************************
 ***************************************************************************
 ******************** Scott Zimmerman (scottz@best.com) ********************
 ********************* Mike Mendelson (mjmjm@usa.net) **********************
 ***************************************************************************
 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

   Scott Zimmerman          Mon  September 04 1972     Virgo
   Mike Mendelson           Fri  September 04 1964     Virgo
   Richard Dean             Wed  September 06 1967     Virgo
   David Blank-Edelman      Sat  September 09 1967     Neon
   Holly Tominack           Thu  September 10 1970     Virgo
   Sharon Nichols (Rhodeways) Wed  September 11 1963     Victim of Christianity
   Heather Russell          Tue  September 11 1900     Total Virgosity
   Karron Lynn Lane         Thu  September 14 3651     Ophelia Virgo
   Troy Wollenslegel        Mon  September 18 1972     Virgo
   Joyce Wermont            Sat  September 18 1954     Virgo
   Mark Frabotta            Sun  September 19 1965     Don't even THINK about parking here
   Joe Zitt                 Sat  September 20 1958     Will Hack for CDs
   Ani DiFranco             Wed  September 23 1970     Virgo
   Paul Kim                 Sat  October 01   1977     fetal position

- -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 02:08:32 -0500
From: Mark Lowry <mlowry@startext.com>
Subject: Re: Ectophiles...a raise of hands//tour

Sharon Nichols requested:
>
> I would like to get an estimate of how many Ectophiles there are (at the
request of Samson).

and Jeff Wasilko replied:

> There are 193 people on the regular list and 161 people on the digest.

For what it's worth, I know (at least) four Ectophiles here in D/FW area who
are not on the list (one who turned me on to _Warpaint_ way back when; two who
I've converted, and one who I met recently -- and he has several friends who
love Happy as well).

Not that it'll matter for me, cuz from what I've gathered, she hasn't played
_ and probably won't play _ any farther west than Chicago or south of, what,
Pittsburgh? It's ok. I'm eagerly awaiting the complete itinerary ... I'm fully
prepared to travel to *finally* see her. I go to NYC about every 3-4 months
anyway, in fact, I'm going this weekend. But alas, she's not there.

Oh, my friend in Brooklyn Heights told me that she was at Tower signing her CD
a coupla weeks ago. Anyone go?

Also, a friend let me hear a few songs from a promo album by Morley (I think
that's her name). When I saw the cover, I instantly thought it would be
ectostuff. It didn't grab me though _ think Babyface producing Julia Fordham.

Mark

n.p. _I Wanna Be Kate_ again, my fave track has changed to Thomas Negoyan's
"And Dream of Sheep"
n.r. My flight information, and thinking how I *still* haven't started packing
for the trip

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 04:34:36 -0500
From: "Xenu's Sister" <vickie@wwa.com>
Subject: Tower record signing????

At 02:08 AM 9/4/98 -0500, Mark Lowry wrote:

>Oh, my friend in Brooklyn Heights told me that she was at Tower signing her CD
>a coupla weeks ago. Anyone go?

Is this for real? Did this happen? I can't believe that something
this major would happen and we weren't told about it in advance.

If it didn't, I'd be interested to know who Mark's friend confused
with Happy Rhodes.

If it did, I'll be mighty disappointed in certain Bearsville and Omaha
residents for not keeping us informed. Needless to say (I'd hope), 
we want to know *everything* and that includes personal appearances, 
reviews* and even mentions in any and every magazine, TV appearances 
(once they start happening) and anything else that happens, or is going
to happen, in the public eye.

*wrt reviews, whatever happened to the CMJ reviews? Did they appear?

Vickie

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 07:33:06 -0400
From: "Robert Lovejoy" <rlovejoy@bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Music in Philly - band question

Hello all,
     In the Great Vastness of ectoknowledge, I am wondering if anyone here
has heard of a musical group called "The Ministry of Inside Things".  They
are doing a show at the Philly Art Museum on Sept. 16th, with Caryn Lin
opening.  I'm not familiar with them, but for a clue the invite says "Art &
Technology".
     If anyone here knows something about them, I'd be obliged!  Thanks,
Bob L.

PS - New Firesign Theatre album due out Tuesday "Give Me Immortality Or Give
Me Death".  It's an aircheck from Radio Now, which switches formats with
each commercial break.  And what commercials!  There's the movie
"Glacier!" - "Coming slowly...Very Slowly...to a theater near you!"
  ----- Kerry, I _know_ you're on the bus!!!

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:08:55 EDT
From: Riphug@aol.com
Subject: Re: Music in Philly - band question

In a message dated 9/4/98 7:36:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
rlovejoy@bellatlantic.net writes:

<<  In the Great Vastness of ectoknowledge, I am wondering if anyone here
 has heard of a musical group called "The Ministry of Inside Things".  They
 are doing a show at the Philly Art Museum on Sept. 16th, with Caryn Lin
 opening.  I'm not familiar with them, but for a clue the invite says "Art &
 Technology". >>

Jill :D to the rescue!!!  ;-)

Here's what I found on the net ( 
<A HREF="http://www.voicenet.com/~pgulch/ministry.html">The Ministry of Inside
Things</A> ):

<<The Ministry of Inside Things
Eclectic Synthetic Electric
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- --
Current Line Up
The Ministry of Inside Things in its present incarnation consists of the
following musicians:

 Art Cohen on electric guitar and effects.
 Peter Gulch on computers and synthesizers.
 Chuck van Zyl on synthesizers and devices.

The Ministry specializes in cosmic, electric, ambient, synthesized
soundscapes. For more information contact Chuck van Zyl: chuckv@p3.net >>

Another site has a photo of the group ( 
<A HREF="http://www.nothinbut.net/~starsnd/5gathr.html">Star's End Gathering 5
</A>) and links to further
information:

<<Peter Gulch has been involved in electronic music since 1980 when he first
got an ARP AXXE and formed the band "The Nightcrawlers". Up until 1991 the
Nightcrawlers released 3 record albumns and 35+ cassette recordings. A double
CD of the three Nightcrawlers' albums has been released on the Mannikin label
in Germany in 1997. Other bands that he works with are "Xisle" and "The
Ministry of Inside Things". These two bands specialize in a particular genre
of electronic music called "space music". He has also co-released a recent CD
entitled Regeneration Mode with another synthesist from Xisle (Chuck van Zyl).
These recordings are released on the SYNKRONOS music label which he owns with
Chuck van Zyl as chief administrator. For information on how to obtain these
recordings please send him e-mail. >>

<<Chuck van Zyl
Electronic Musician and WXPN Radio DJ
The Host of Star's End for the past 10 years!
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- --
Chuck van Zyl is well known to the Electronic Music commnunity for the work he
has done as dedicated host of WXPN-FM's space music program Star's End as well
as a local concert promoter and as an established electronic musician.

Chuck formed the groups known as Xisle , the Ministry of Inside Things, and
has played with The Nightcrawlers and Peter Gulch. Chuck has produced many
tapes and has debuted on the Centaur Label with several CDs.An excerpt of his
latest CD The Relic can be sampled on the Sound page.

A brief resume about Chuck is included right here. For more information on
Chuck and his music, please contact him at: Chuck van Zyl: chuckv@p3.net >>

So now you have an idea......

Jill :D
*share the music!*

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 14:39:11 +0200 (W. Europe Daylight Time)
From: Marion Kippers <Marion.Kippers@wkap.nl>
Subject: New Suzanne Vega compilation album in Europe

Hi,

A friend informed me about this, so I checked the archives for 
Undertow, the Suzanne Vega mailing list (is anybody from Ecto still 
subscribed to that list?  I quit about a year ago, because I found it 
too much off-topic mail).  Here's the news (forwarded without 
permission):

======== begin forwarded message ========

 Following is the track sequence for Suzanne's upcoming greatest hits 
package-titled "Tried and True". This album is currently scheduled for
a September release in Europe.

1. Luka
2. Tom's Diner
3. Marlene on the Wall
4. Caramel
5. 99.9F
6. Small Blue Thing
7. Blood Makes Noise
8. Left of Center
9. In Liverpool
10. Gypsy
11. Book of Dreams
12. No Cheap Thrill
13. World Before Columbus
14. When Heroes Go Down
15. Queen and the Soldier
16. Book & a Cover
17. Rosemary

======== end forwarded message ========

So, two new tracks to look forward to.  However, the local store 
couldn't find any info on this release yet, so I wonder when it will 
show up.  No news yet about a US release.  And I wonder what will 
happen to her plans to compile a cd with previously unreleased songs 
of her early days.  Apparently she's working on a book that's to be 
published next year, and she'll be in Europe (London, UK I think) for 
an Amnesty International something in October.  No more info, sorry.

The Undertow archives can be found at http://www.vega.net/archive .  
Unfortunately, the website itself ( http://www.vega.nl ) hasn't been 
updated in ages, apparently due to legal problems.  Which is sad, 
because it was a very very good site.

Best wishes,

Marion
(Who wonders why Dar Williams choose to come to the Netherlands when 
we are on holiday in England, and be in London when we're back in 
the Netherlands. :-(  And I don't think we'll go to the London Lilith 
Fair, because tickets are very very expensive.  Maybe if the 
Half-Price Ticket Booth still has some on the day itself... :-) )
- ----------------------
n.p. Susan McKeown - Bushes and briars (finally received my own US 
copy from a friend, though I've seen it in the local store recently, 
apparently it's been released / distributed in Europe as well. Like 
it very much on first hearing.  Reminds me at times of Anita Best and 
Pamela Golden's wonderful cd "The colour of Amber", of which I still 
haven't found a cd-copy)
n.r. Gail Tsukiyama - The Samourai's Garden
Marion Kippers
Marion.Kippers@wkap.nl

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:40:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: "jeffrey c. burka" <jburka@raptor.cqi.com>
Subject: Re: New Suzanne Vega compilation album in Europe

Marion Kippers sez:

[suzanne vega's compilation track listing]

> 8. Left of Center
> 10. Gypsy
> 16. Book & a Cover
> 17. Rosemary
 
> So, two new tracks to look forward to. 

Unless I'm not remembering something, these are the 4 tracks
not on the 5 studio albums.  I know "Left of Center" was on a soundtrack
(a John Hughes movie, wasn't it?).  AMAZING song, and I still hear it on
the radio from time to time.

But there are still 3 titles I don't recognize.  Which are the two new
ones?

> No news yet about a US release. 

Yipes!

> it very much on first hearing.  Reminds me at times of Anita Best and 
> Pamela Golden's wonderful cd "The colour of Amber", of which I still 

<jeffy does a double or triple take>

Hunh?  There's something else by Pamela Golden beside _Happens All the
Time_?

Why didn't you speak up when Vickie and I were just complaining a
not-too-distant time ago about the lack of other Golden material?!

jeff
np er...haven't gotten around to picking a cd to stick in the cd-rom
drive, so it's just the radio for now.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 08:42:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: "jeffrey c. burka" <jburka@raptor.cqi.com>
Subject: Re: New Suzanne Vega compilation album in Europe

On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Marion Kippers wrote:
> it very much on first hearing.  Reminds me at times of Anita Best and 
> Pamela Golden's wonderful cd "The colour of Amber", of which I still 
> haven't found a cd-copy)

Hmm.

Disregard my lest e-mail.

Apparently, it's Pamela Morgan, not Pamela Golden.

Big difference.

jeff

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 09:16:08 -0400
From: Laura Clifford <lcliffor@bbn.com>
Subject: Re: new to me....some canadian stuff (rather long)

At 07:09 PM 09/03/1998 -0400, Steve I wrote:
>>Kelly Brock - self-titled (the absolute only reason I ordered this is
because
>>    isn't she a movie actress? or am I thinking of someone else?)
>
>Wasn't it Kelly *Le*Brock?
>
>Steve

Yes it was - model who did a few acting gigs, ex Mrs. Steven Segal.

Laura

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:29:54 -0400
From: "Emily Perkins" <eperkins@nas.edu>
Subject: Re: New Suzanne Vega compilation album in Europe

"Gypsy" is the first track on Solitude Standing, and "Left of Center" is
from Pretty in Pink.  I'm relieved I probably won't be having to buy that
soundtrack now...I already bought the Dead Man Walking soundtrack in an
attempt to complete my SV collection ("Woman on a Tier"), but that's not so
bad.  And that song is amazing live, so I had to have some version of it.




Unless I'm not remembering something, these are the 4 tracks
not on the 5 studio albums.  I know "Left of Center" was on a soundtrack
(a John Hughes movie, wasn't it?).  AMAZING song, and I still hear it on
the radio from time to time.

But there are still 3 titles I don't recognize.  Which are the two new
ones?

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:41:36 -0500
From: "Mike Mendelson" <mjm@harmonicvision.com>
Subject: Fw: ** Save $10 on your favorite CDs courtesy of Ticketmaster

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- -mjm

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:45:45 -0400
From: "Tom Ditto" <ditto@taconic.net>
Subject: Happy in Troy

Alas, I teach on Monday nights. My class only meets once a week. It's
unlikely I can skip out.

Mrs. Ditto and I went to Happy's prior Troy Music Hall concert and were a
bit disappointed, because it is an acoustic space, and the sound system was
not equal to the task. What we got to hear was a relatively poor sound
system very, very clearly. I trust that this time around, steps will be
taken. Perhaps Happy will dare to turn the whole system off for a song or
two. You can hear an acoustic guitar from anywhere in the house, even when
there's a body in every seat. The place is Ectoplasmically eerie... a
haunted venue if there ever was one.

BTW, my digital photo compositing class is working on a project called
Ectoplasm. It will be ready for display on Halloween.

Boo.

Tom
ditto@taconic.net
"Do you copy? Over"

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:49:03 EDT
From: DaveRaver@aol.com
Subject: We will defend you no further!

After reading the ecto list for a while, I've decided to "Step Inside"!  I'm
{{DaveRaver}} and I discovered Happy 2 years ago thanks to Vickie Mapes and
her wonderful website.  I've been a Kate Bush fan since 1985, and I'm also
into Tori Amos, Enya, Sarah McLachlan, Loreena McKennitt, Dar Williams, and
various other "Ecto" artists.  I collected Happy's first 9 albums within 6
months in 1996, and now, after a bit of searching, finally got a hold of "Many
Worlds Are Born Tonight".  I must say it is quite a wonderful work!  As usual
with most albums I buy, I wasn't overwhelmed the first time a played it, but
with each consecutive listen, it has grown on me like ivy.  The multi-layers
of sound are quite towering!  I'm a bit baffled by the lyrics though.  In
particular, the phrase "We will defend you no further" is repeated in two
songs, "Tragic" (my favorite track) and "Proof".  Who was defending whom?
Does anyone know the story behind these lyrics?  I get the feeling that all of
the songs on this album fit a certain mood (melancholy science fiction) but
did Happy have a larger story in mind which she based all these lyrics on?  Or
do we just let it flow like Tori's lyrics and not take them literally?  Any
thoughts?  By the way, for whoever is keeping track of birthdays, mine is
December 5 (Sagittarius).  :-)   

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:18:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: "jeffrey c. burka" <jburka@raptor.cqi.com>
Subject: Re: New Suzanne Vega compilation album in Europe

Emily Perkins was kind enough to point out:

> "Gypsy" is the first track on Solitude Standing

<smacks forehead>

I knew that.  No, really, I did.  I've only had the album for 11 years,
after all...

<quick calculation>

Hunh.  _Solitude Standing_ was well within the first 10% of the CDs I've
purchased.  Kinda creepy.

jeff

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 10:07:03 -0500
From: "Xenu's Sister" <vickie@wwa.com>
Subject: Didn't happen (Re: Tower record signing????

At 04:34 AM 9/4/98 -0500, Xenu's Sister wrote:
>At 02:08 AM 9/4/98 -0500, Mark Lowry wrote:
>
>>Oh, my friend in Brooklyn Heights told me that she was at Tower signing her CD
>>a coupla weeks ago. Anyone go?
>
>Is this for real? Did this happen? I can't believe that something
>this major would happen and we weren't told about it in advance.
>If it didn't, I'd be interested to know who Mark's friend confused
>with Happy Rhodes.

Happy Herself sez: "Didn't happen"

<whew!> Sorry Mark, your friend was thinking of someone else.

Vickie

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:12:52 -0500
From: "Mike Mendelson" <mjm@harmonicvision.com>
Subject: jane et al

Went to see Suffragette tour in chicago and was underwelmed -- Jane sang
two songs (Love is everything -- the same song she sang last time in
chicago, and fisherman song or whatever its called).  They ended with
midnight train to GA (is that what it's called)?  It was a fun evening
(except for the horrible opening band from Asia (Japan?) who were truly
terrible -- one song consisted of a single  note played on the synthesizer
- -- sorry, girls, but neil young is the only one-note wonder I will put up
with and anyways, that's on the guitar...) despite the rather fractured and
misdirected hodge-podge inevitable with so many people (dare I say female
people???!!!! <flameguard activated> ;-) on the stage at once -- literally
all vying to be seen and heard (every time Jane moved from one song to the
next she forked her thumb in the air signalling she wanted to be louder and
louder to be undrowned out!!).  The best new discovery was a woman whose
name I cannot recall (Is it Gail Ann Dorsey??) who I can distinguish best
by saying she was the only african american (presumably) on the stage. 
What is her story??  Tremendous, moving vocals.

> October 11th (Sunday) -  Painted Bridge Arts Center
> ( 30 Vine Street  Philadelphia, PA  (215) 925-9914 )
>
> October 12th  (Monday) - Troy Music Hall
> ( 7 State Street  Troy, NY  (518) 273-0038 )

Sure, go ahead and play on Simcha Torah!  Guess I'll be missing *those*
shows!  When are the next ones?  When will she come to chicago?  Come on,
enough of this favoritism... or at least play on TG weekend when I will
very likely *be* in philly... (pass it on).
- -mjm

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:04:21 -0700
From: Richard Holmes <rholmes@ccrma.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: re: so much to say, so little time

Meredith Tarr (meth@smoe.org) writes:

> The other important note of the weekend was that I got to hear Susan
> Werner's new album, _Time Between Trains_, which is to be officially
> released on September 15th.  I love the songs, and for the most part the
> arrangements are good, but overall I have to say I'm a bit disappointed.
> Svetlana has one of the most amazing voices on the planet today, and on
> this album (with only a very few brief exceptions) she doesn't use it at
> all.  She whispers her way through songs I've seen her belt out to the
> skies in live performance, leaving me to sit there wanting to shout at the
> CD player, "SING, dammit, SING!".  Not to mention there are a couple songs
> where she sounds *exactly* like Shawn Colvin.  (Nothing against Shawn
> Colvin, but Svetlana would wipe the floor up with Shawn in a karaoke
> contest.)  The last thing I want to see for Susan Werner is to be held up
> as a Shawn Colvin-alike.  IMNSHO she's much better than that.
> 
> (That reminds me of one of the funniest quotable quotes I've heard in a
> long time: WFUV's Rita Houston commenting on "this post-Shawn Colvin world
> in which we live". ;)
> 
> I haven't given up yet, though.  This quibble is pretty much the same as
> the problem I had with Sarah McLachlan's _Solace_ for years, until finally
> one day I realized I didn't care any more and I loved it anyway.  The songs
> on _Time Between Trains_ are so good, I'm sure this album will end up the
> same way.

Are you saying that _Solace_ was problematic because Sarah doesn't use
her voice to its fullest?  This is strange, 'cuz I never really noticed.
_Solace_ is (depending of course on moon phases and stuff like that) my 
favorite Sarah album -- I think because the songwriting.  The lyrics just
move me a *lot*.  What do others think about _Solace_? When I first
found out about Sarah, FTE was my favorite, but _Solace_ became favorite
over a year or so of listenings.  My first impression of _Solace_ was 
that it was "ordinary" in comparison to FTE; which by terms of orchestration
it probably is -- but  *BLACK* is certainly a very cooly instrumented
song...

> <np: MWABT (on headphones for the first time - what's the sound of one
> brain imploding?)>
> <nr: Melissa Scott, _Dreaming Metal_>

I've heard Melissa Scott is quite good -- any recommendations for a 
first-timer?

- -Richard.

@      \@/       Richard A. Holmes (rholmes@ccrma.stanford.edu)   
@       |                                                                      
@      \|/       "O dark expansive sea of night, 
@       |         Tapestry of stars and solitude,
@   , , | , ,     Crashing waves of chaos, Deep void of becoming,
@    ' ' ' ' '    Radiant blackness, all-enfolding,
@                 Constant well of creation,
@                 Bestow you dark gifts and silver sparks
@                 On your parched and thirsty child.
@
@ Kiva / Kate Price \ Dar Williams / Renaissance \ Sheila Chandra / Laura Love
@  Susan McKeown \ Sarah McLachlan / Libana \ Danielle Dax \ Dog Faced Hermans 
@   Loreena McKennitt / Kate Bush \ Tori Amos / Katell Keineg / Happy Rhodes 
@     Ingrid Karklins \ Sinead O'Connor / Jane Siberry / Pauline Oliveros

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:14:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve VanDevender <stevev@hexadecimal.uoregon.edu>
Subject: Music in Philly - band question

Robert Lovejoy writes:
 > PS - New Firesign Theatre album due out Tuesday "Give Me Immortality Or Give
 > Me Death".  It's an aircheck from Radio Now, which switches formats with
 > each commercial break.  And what commercials!  There's the movie
 > "Glacier!" - "Coming slowly...Very Slowly...to a theater near you!"
 >   ----- Kerry, I _know_ you're on the bus!!!

Oh COOL.  I love the Firesign Theatre, and had I gotten around to 
posting my pantheon they would have been included.

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 10:29:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Steve VanDevender <stevev@hexadecimal.uoregon.edu>
Subject: stevev goes a-wandering

After a busy summer, I'm going to have a Labor Fortnight instead
of a Labor Day -- two weeks of vacation starting this weekend.

Around the middle of next week I'll be going up to Portland for
about a week to visit an ever-growing number of friends up there.
If any Portland-area (or Vancouver, WA-area -- Hi Moo-man!)
Ectophiles want to get together, let me know.

In early December, I'll be going to Boston for the USENIX LISA
conference (December 6-11).  This is my first trip ever to the
Northeast, and I'd love to meet any area Ectophiles, maybe even
attempt a pilgrimage to JeffW's House of SMOE.

As for the Happy concerts, since I am about to go on vacation I
think I'll just keep monitoring the situation to decide when and
whether to go, and see if other dates are announced.

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 13:02:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: "jeffrey c. burka" <jburka@raptor.cqi.com>
Subject: re: so much to say, so little time

On Fri, 4 Sep 1998, Richard Holmes wrote:
>   What do others think about _Solace_? 

Love it.  Totally.  Well, almost totally.  I've never been all that fond
of "Black" -- the live version from the Solace tour was much better.

But I think it's basically unbelievably amazing.  I got it right about
when it came out (I'd been searching for _Touch_ for a year or two, based
on recommendations from Vickie and I dunno who else (meth?), and around
the time _Solace_ came out, _Touch_ was reprinted.  I was
doubly-psyched!).  When FTE came out, I had about 4 months when I couldn't
stand it.  I got it as a tape dub of the Canadian release a few months
before the US release, and just didn't see the point.  It finally clicked
in 3/94, a few weeks before I saw her on her first DC stop on the FTE
tour.  

But before that, I was mostly just disappointed that it wasn't nearly so
good as _Solace_, which, yes, features not just great songwriting, but
also great singing.

jeff

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:19:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: jfrancis@villagenet.com
Subject: Re: WFMU/WPKN

>One of the programmers from WPKN timidly raising her hand here.

>I think the big difference between WPKN and WFMU is that WPKN is a
>community station in the sense that all of the programming decisions are
>made from the bottom up by the 75+ individual programmers rather than
>having chunks of time every day of the week devoted to certain genres as
>it is at WFMU and most other stations. Inconsistent we are and
>inconsistent we will remain.

>- --Valerie Kraemer (soon to be Valerie [Mrs. Radio Nothing] Richardson)

Congratulations & good luck to the both of you!

It was very good to hear from you.  I hope you didn't feel I was slagging
your station in any way. Far from it.  Like anything else, its unique to
its own situation.  Please tell your soon-to-be, that he has a great
program. And while I'm at it, if you see these other folks, that the
person with the Friday 6:45 to 8 pm slot ( (K)Cathy?) that she plays
fantastic music and also to the "skies of Bridgeport" person that follows.
I'm sad that the formers slot is only an hour. I sure wish it was a lot
longer. Thankfully , though , "skies" continues the music in the same vein.

ps  I think I recognize your name. When is your show?



>personally, i think there are two things that make the stations different:
>
>first, wfmu's staff has a hipper-than-thou attitude with an almost
>self-consciously eclectic in music. except for a few people whose shows are
>fairly cohesive (irene trudell, rob weisberg, irwin chusid, meredith
>i-forget-her-last-name and nick hill when he was still on the air), you get
>a lot of folks who seem to be in a contest to out-do each other in terms of
>obscurity and strangeness.
>woj


And thats what I love(d) about it.  The stranger and obscurer the better,
I always say.    ;-)
Music thats long out-of-print or by bands/songwriters that will never see
the light of day, or Ken Freidmans  Japanese pop stuff, or pre-synth era
electronica, psychedelia, and sound collages. They all for the most part
find the
best stuff.  I like to *listen* to music that give my nervous system a good
working over; like reading  a really, really, really good  horror story.

(I've manged to find one other person who'll listen to the same music,
but she's married)  <:-O

Yippeeee, summers  Oh-ver. Although most will feel differently, I love the
fall and
c-c-c-c-coooold weather.     :-)

Have a good holiday weekend, ya'll

Jon

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:13:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: "jeffrey c. burka" <jburka@raptor.cqi.com>
Subject: Re: WFMU/WPKN

jon sez:

 
> Yippeeee, summers  Oh-ver. Although most will feel differently, I love the
> fall and  c-c-c-c-coooold weather.     :-)

this is ecto; expectations around here tend to be a bit different.  Yer
definitely not the only one waiting to see their breath in the air...

jeff

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 16:40:06 -0400 
From: Tony Goldstein <Tony.Goldstein@InfoPackaging.com>
Subject: Massive Attack / Philadelphia

Okay, perhaps Massive Attack isn't the most Ecto group under the sun,
but right now _Mezzanine_ is my favorite album purchase of the year.  I
noticed that they're going to be playing in Philadelphia on Friday,
Sept. 11th.  I'm thinking about going; are there any other Ectophiles
planning to attend?

- - Tony Goldstein

n.p. esthero, _breath from another_

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 14:06:26 -0700
From: Neile Graham <neile@sff.net>
Subject: Re: Massive Attack / Philadelphia

Tony Goldstein wrote:

>Okay, perhaps Massive Attack isn't the most Ecto group under the sun,
>but right now _Mezzanine_ is my favorite album purchase of the year.

_Mezzanine_ was been getting some pretty heavy airplay all summer at our
house, too.

Not going to be in Philly for the show, though.

- --Neile

n.p. from the choirgirl hotel
n.r. Anne Harris, _The Nature of Smoke_

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 18:29:53 -0600
From: Sharon Nichols <terra@ulster.net>
Subject: MANY WORLDS CONFIRMED TOUR DATES

Well, here we go. The following are confirmed tour dates for Happy
Rhodes:

10/6/98
BEARSVILLE THEATRE
BEARSVILLE, NY

10/8/98
MUSEUM OF RADIO & TELEVISION
NY, NY

10/11/98
PAINTED BRIDE ARTS CENTER
PHILADELPHIA, PA

10/12/98
TROY MUSIC HALL
TROY, NY

More to come...

Sharon
Terra Incognita
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/3450/terra.html

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 21:16:31 -0400
From: Heather Russell <hrussell@bellsouth.net>
Subject: [Fwd: dear enemy in a van]

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Subject: dear enemy in a van
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Dana & Karen Kletter/Dear Enemy will be following this ambitious itinerary
over the course of the coming week:

Thursday, 9-3   Black Mountain, NC   Grey Eagle
Saturday, 9-5   Nashville, TN        Suttles (sp?)
Sunday, 9-6     Chicago, IL          Schubas
Monday, 9-7     Ann Arbor, MI        Acoustic Cafe (taped radio show)
Tuesday, 9-8    New York, NY         Fez

Tell your friends, and wish us luck.   CAC

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 09:38:18 -0400
From: Paul Blair <psfblair@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Ectophiles...a raise of hands//tour

Mark Lowry wrote:

>Oh, my friend in Brooklyn Heights told me that she was at Tower signing her CD
>a coupla weeks ago. Anyone go?

WHO KNEW?

- -- paul

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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 23:11:06 -0400
From: meredith <meth@smoe.org>
Subject: Re: WFMU/WPKN

Hi!

Just to throw my 2 dinars into the WPKN/WFMU thread: I think woj described
the differences between the two stations perfectly.  Personally, I think
WPKN is overall the more ectophilic station, simply because more often than
not, when I turn it on I like what I hear.  WFMU, on the other hand,
strikes me as a bunch of overgrown 14-year-olds trying to outdo one another
with how smugly bizarre they can be.  I rarely turn WFMU on and hear
something I like.  But that's just me. :)

Jon fonted:

>And while I'm at it, if you see these other folks, that the
>person with the Friday 6:45 to 8 pm slot ( (K)Cathy?) that she plays
>fantastic music and also to the "skies of Bridgeport" person that follows.

Kathy DiMena (sp?) and Ray Terlaga.  Making Friday evenings a wonderful
place to be for (how many?) years. :)  Ray was in rare form tonight - he
played Happy not once, but twice!  I'm not sure if this was intentional,
but he played the album version of "Roy", then a bit of really cool
whalesong, then the radio mix of "Roy".  I'd never heard the radio version
before, and now that I have I understand better why it's the single.  The
radio version is shorter and has a much more prominent driving beat, with
the bass more up front in the mix.  It's pretty cool.

And Ray still has the coolest voice on the airwaves.  Most of the time I
find myself not even paying attention to what he's saying, just enjoying
the sound of it.

>I'm sad that the formers slot is only an hour. I sure wish it was a lot
>longer. Thankfully , though , "skies" continues the music in the same vein.

The two shows do run beautifully together.  Kathy's show often sounds like
she read ecto for the previous week and took notes.  Valerie Kraemer, do
you know if she reads ecto?  I really started to wonder when one Friday
this spring she played a bit of Philip Glass and then some Steve Reich,
which I've never heard on her show before, not three days after the
conclusion of a mini-thread in these pages about those two composers.  It
was eerie.

Not to mention Kathy is the person who once played 8 Happy songs in a row.
:)  Ray Terlaga did interview Happy on his show a couple years ago, but
Kathy still wins the prize in my mind for doing that.  It was just too
cool.  Back in June when she played cuts from the new Heather Nova album
interspersed with various Kate Bush songs over the span of a half hour was
pretty neat, too.

The weird thing about Kathy, though, is that I often get the impression
that the only music she listens to in her entire life is that one hour on
Friday nights.  She transposes artist and album names all the time,
announces the titles of songs she didn't play (when she does try to give
song titles, which isn't often), and mispronounces names left and right.
After a while it moves past annoying and into endearing, though. :)  The
music is just too good.

If I ever hit Powerball, I'll set WPKN up with a RealAudio server so the
entire world can share the wealth.  <sigh>

<np: WPKN>

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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 23:20:12 -0400
From: "Michael Curry" <mcurry@io.com>
Subject: Fw: RICHARD SHINDELL ANNOUNCEMENT: September 12th at The Bottom Line!

- -----Original Message-----
From: Young/Hunter Management <yh@shore.net>
To: richard-shindell-announce@shore.net <richard-shindell-announce@shore.net>
Date: Friday, September 04, 1998 1:35 PM
Subject: RICHARD SHINDELL ANNOUNCEMENT: September 12th at The Bottom Line!


>Hey everyone,
>
>As the summer winds down, Richard is getting ready to do some really
>exciting dates including a just-announced show at THE BOTTOM LINE in New
>York City on September 12th (with David Poe and Amy Rigby), one at The Tin
>Angel in Philadelphia on September 17th, and a great co-bill with THE
>NIELDS at the Somerville Theatre (in Somerville, MA) on October 16th.
>After some other solo shows (see tour schedule below), Richard will head
>out with DAR WILLIAMS and LUCY KAPLANSKY as the trio, known collectively as
>Cry Cry Cry, tours in support of their new album of cover songs which will
>be released on October 13th on Razor and Tie Records.  The artists whose
>songs they cover will be the openers for the shows and you can check out
>http://www.crycrycry.com for more information (press release, track list,
>tour schedule, etc)!
>
>And speaking of web-stuff, there are about to be some interesting additions
>to http://www.richardshindell.com next week, including tunings to some of
>Richard's songs and lists of what he's reading and listening to these days!
> Keep your eyes on the web and have a great autumn...
>
>Young/Hunter Management
>
>=================================
>RICHARD SHINDELL - TOUR SCHEDULE
>http://www.shindell.com
>
>9/11, Night Eagle Emporium, Oxford, NY, 607-843-7378
>9/12, The Bottom Line, New York, NY, 212-228-6300
>9/26, Unison Arts Center, New Paltz, NY, 914-255-1559
>9/27, Tin Angel, Philadelphia, PA, 215-928-0978
>10/2, Our Time Coffeehouse, Garden City, NY, 516-541-1006
>10/3, SUNY, Farmingdale, NY, 516-420-2000
>10/4, The Turning Point, Piermont, NY, 914-359-1089
>10/8, Folkal Point, Columbia, MD, 410-531-5350/301-982-0686
>10/9, Rosebud, Pittsburgh, PA, 412-261-4512
>10/10, Happy Days Visitor Center, Peninsula, OH, 216-291-5695
>10/16, Somerville Theatre, Somerville, MA, 617-931-2000 , co-bill w/The
>Nields (Pamela Means opens)
>10/17, Stamford Ctr for the Arts, Stamford, CT, 203-325-4466
>10/18, Iron Horse Music Hall, Northampton, MA, 413-586-8686
>10/24, Peterborough Players Theater, Peterborough, NH, 603-924-7585
>10/30, Ten Pound Fiddle, E. Lansing, MI, 517-337-7744
>11/21, St. John University School of Law, Jamaica, NY 
>12/1, *Berger Center for Perf. Arts, Tucson, AZ, 520-327-4809
>12/2, *South Broadway Cultural Center, Albuquerque, NM, 505-268-0044
>12/11, *Henry Mello Theater, Watsonville, CA, 408-426-7828
>12/13, *The Troubadour, W. Hollywood, CA, 310-276-6168
>12/26, *Emelin Theatre, Mamaronek, NY, 914-698-0098
>12/31, *First Night Oakland, Oakland, NJ, 201-337-2093
>1/2/99, *Sanders Theater, Cambridge, MA, 617-876-4275
>1/4/99, *The Birchmere, Alexandria, VA, 703-549-7500
>1/15/99, *Rosebud, Pittsburgh, PA, 412-261-2232
>1/16/99, *Keswick Theater, Glenside, PA, 215-572-7650
>2/6/99, A Joyful Noise Coffeehouse, Lexington, MA, 617-861-0142
>2/20/99, Stone Soup Concerts, Providence, RI, 401-781-7504
>4/17/99, *McCarter Theatre, Princeton, NJ 609-683-8000
>
>* CRY CRY CRY tour featuring Dar Williams, Richard Shindell, Lucy Kaplansky
>
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