From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V4 #289 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, August 22 1998 Volume 04 : Number 289 Today's Subjects: ----------------- a smaller and more mature Lilith? [Silme@ix.netcom.com] Ani D on VH1, airing 8/28-9/3/98 [00jnweiser@bsuvc.bsu.edu] Rufus/NYTimes [Horter!!! ] Re: Also sent to gaffa re sound samples ["C. K. Coney" ] Re: Rufus/NYTimes [Paul Blair ] I Wanna Be Kate CD [Michael Pearce ] For all you Titanic Lovers [Riphug@aol.com] ebba forsberg ["Bill" ] Re: I Wanna Be Kate CD [charley darbo ] Re: I Wanna Be Kate CD [Chip Lueck ] Re: I Wanna Be Kate CD [Mark Lowry ] a reply to Birdie's reply to my fold-music diatribe [charley darbo ] Anyone up... [Bill ] RE: I Wanna Be Kate CD ["Eric Brown" ] Re: Emm Gryner on CBC Radio One (aug. 22) [Karen Snyder ] Re: LH&R [Ted & Debbie ] Re: I Wanna Be Kate CD [Riphug@aol.com] Re: Geez! I am all about typos [Birdie ] Re: a reply to Birdie's reply to my fold-music diatribe [Penta5@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 01:16:16 +0000 From: Silme@ix.netcom.com Subject: a smaller and more mature Lilith? Why that title for the post? Well, I just came home from tonight's Gavin Summit at Boulder's Fox Theater (700-800 capacity, hence the "smaller" in the title), and what I think was the most memorable part of the night was Bonnie Raitt, Phoebe Snow, and Emmylou Harris covering John Prine's "Angel from Montgomery." Oooooo, was it sweet! Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:53:33 -0500 (EST) From: 00jnweiser@bsuvc.bsu.edu Subject: Ani D on VH1, airing 8/28-9/3/98 For the Ani fans among us: >Just a reminder that Ani DiFranco will be performing on VH1's concert series >HARD ROCK LIVE, which airs as follows: > >(all times listed below are Eastern Standard Time) >Friday, 8/28 at 7pm >Saturday, 8/29 at midnight >Monday, 8/31 at 7pm >Thursday, 9/3 at midnight jessica n. weiser \ http://adam.nettfriends.com/Jess / "the trouble with me is keep believing in the wrong things. who needs to believe anyway? i have given all, i have seen what it brings, i wish it all away" - t.maclean ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:47:58 -0400 From: Horter!!! Subject: Rufus/NYTimes Howdy everyone! I caught Rufus Wainwright on Conan the other night and was quite impressed. I definitely need to check out his album. Did anyone else happen to see him? Who was the woman with the guitar that was nearly duetting with him? Also, in Thursday's New York Times (I'm usually a day behind on newspapers :-), there was an article titled "Compiling Your 'Greatest Hits' on Disk." In this article, our very own Philip David Morgan was featured in the article, as was Happy (as mentioned quite noticeably). Being a little shy Mr Morgan? :-) In the same section (Circuits), a nice review of a new CD-ROM based on Nick Bantock's Griffin and Sabine books. Titled "Ceremony of Innocence" it looks quite intriguing and was extremely well reviewed. Not sure if there two articles are available on the net, but I am sure Jill will find out soon enough ;-) Anyone in Jacksonville, Fl? Enjoy! Tom np: Throwing Muses _Limbo_ nr: Don Delillo _Underworld_, still plugging through nrr (now REALLY reading): Icon magazine August 1998, one beautiful magazine. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:10:47 -0700 From: "C. K. Coney" Subject: Re: Also sent to gaffa re sound samples Vickie, Thanks for the info with links to MWABT sound samples & the Pulse review, and your review (plus the Keep lyrics!) I just forwarded the whole lot of them to an e-pal who lives in Maui & who doesn't have much access to Happy's stuff to preview in record stores. I had piqued his interest when I posted about Happy on the Cocteau Twins website/fan forum, and he is very, very interested. It's exactly the kind of links you gave out that can expose folks like Paul to Happy's music...and increase her record sales! Carol Xenu's Sister wrote: > ............ > > In case anyone's interested, these on-line stores have Happy Rhodes sound samples. > > Music Boulevard (http://www.musicblvd.com/cgi-bin/tw/696422900376652_43_555917) > (this is the only place I know that has sound samples from Many Worlds Are Born Tonight) > > CD Universe (http://cdu2.cduniverse.com/asp/exactartist.asp?search=Rhodes%2C+Happy&frm=lk_pagelink) > The Ultimate Band List Store (http://content.ubl.com/store/welcome.html) > Borders (http://borders.com/sections/section_20000.html) > Tower (http://www.towerrecords.com/) > Tele CD (http://www.telecd.de) (site is in English, German, Spanish, French and Italian) > CD Now (http://www.cdnow.com/) > > All these have the same sound samples from "Building The Colossus" and "Warpaint." > > I have no-nada-ziltch-zip affiliation with any of these places (nor Happy, Samson, or > Aural Gratification, in case it needs to be said) > > Vickie (just an annoying fan) :-) > DIVX = GREED - Boycott Circuit City! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:17:52 -0700 From: "Neil K. Guy" Subject: Re: Rufus/NYTimes At 12:47 PM -0400 8/21/98, Horter!!! wrote: >In the same section (Circuits), a nice review of a new CD-ROM based on Nick >Bantock's Griffin and Sabine books. Titled "Ceremony of Innocence" it >looks quite intriguing and was extremely well reviewed. For those interested there's info on and a demo of Ceremony of Innocence at: http://www.realworld.co.uk/rwmm/ceremony/ - Neil K. - -- t e l a computer consulting + design * Vancouver, BC, Canada web: http://www.tela.bc.ca/tela/ * email: tela@tela.bc.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:20:38 -0400 From: Paul Blair Subject: Re: Rufus/NYTimes Horter!!! wrote: >Also, in Thursday's New York Times (I'm usually a day behind on newspapers >:-), there was an article titled "Compiling Your 'Greatest Hits' on Disk." >In this article, our very own Philip David Morgan was featured in the >article, as was Happy (as mentioned quite noticeably). Being a little shy >Mr Morgan? :-) You can see the article (Happy's name comes out in bold, because I used it in the search) at . You have to register for the *New York Times* online first. - --Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:30:43 -0800 From: Michael Pearce Subject: I Wanna Be Kate CD I just got this tribute CD today. Very interesting work. The ones I like most are The Kick Inside by Victoria Storm, The Sensual World by Susan Voetz, Kashka/Babooshka by the Plunging Necklines Completely unlistenable was There Goes A Tenner by J Davis Trio, a "rap"-like interpretation. I will have to go rehear the original to see if there is even a common note between the two. Diamond Jim Greene's version of Home For Christmas is utterly bizarre. Sounds like a "Duke of Yuke" cover song. (FYI, the Duke is a Portland performer who covers punk and hardcore songs on his ukelele with appropriate vocals. Hilarious.) Not surprisingly, the female interpretations seem better than the male ones. The notable exception is Thomas Negovan's "And Dream Of Sheep." Very pretty, very well done. Michael |^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Not subject to unwritten-law enforcement^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^| | "I am so tired of rearranging my | http://www.moonmac.com/ | | life around what the stupidest | mp@moonmac.com | | people MIGHT do." --Bill Maher | michael@pmug.org | | K E E P T H E | N T E R N E T F R E E | |____No Microsoft products were used in the production of this message____| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:28:55 EDT From: Riphug@aol.com Subject: For all you Titanic Lovers <<...Just in time for 'Titanic' Home Video madness, comes more music from the motion picture. 'Back to Titanic,' is an all-new collection of unforgettable music that wasn't included in the first soundtrack album. It's all there -- Irish dance music, Celine Dion's "My Heart Will Go On" with movie dialogue, "Nearer My God to Thee", and the piano version of "Rose", plus the world premiere of James Horner's original "Titanic Suite" and much more. There's even a buried treasure: the booklet includes a free fold-out movie poster. In case you were wondering, the tracklisting is as follows: Titanic Suite - featuring Sissel An Irish Party In Third Class (John Ryan's Polka and Blarney Pilgrim)-- featuring Gaelic Storm Alexander's Ragtime Band - performed by I Salonisti Rose -- Piano Version performed by James Horner Jack Dawson's Luck (Based on traditional Irish piece)- featuring Eileen Ivers A Building Panic Nearer My God To Thee - performed by I Salonisti A Simple Lament (Traditional Irish) Come, Josephine In My Flying Machine featuring Sissel Epilogue - The Deep And Timeless Sea My Heart Will Go On -- performed by Celine Dion and featuring movie dialogue >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:35:12 -0700 From: "Bill" Subject: ebba forsberg Any one from Sweden among us? I "discovered" Sweden's Ebba Frosberg's _been there_ album earlier this week, and am really enjoying it. Her voice doesn't quite get an "A plus" mark, but the wonderous arrangements make up the difference. The singing is in English; I would love to hear these tunes in the native Swedish. Any one out there could help with getting the original-release disc? (assuming there is such a thing). Thanks. - - Bill. n.p. - Ebba Forsberg: been there ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 15:56:19 -0700 (PDT) From: charley darbo Subject: Re: I Wanna Be Kate CD I haven't had a chance to do a blow by blow, so I'll take advantage of this post to do so: - ---Michael Pearce wrote: > > I just got this tribute CD today. Very interesting work. The ones I like > most are The Kick Inside by Victoria Storm, Yes. Loved it. > The Sensual World by Susan > Voetz, Yes. Among the best on the album. Waaay sensual. Warm and moist. > Kashka/Babooshka by the Plunging Necklines A bit thin and folky for my usual tastes, but a remarkable reinterpretation of the two songs. > Completely unlistenable was There Goes A Tenner by J Davis Trio, a > "rap"-like interpretation. I will have to go rehear the original to see if > there is even a common note between the two. I absolutely disagree. My very favorite thing on the album. Knowing how Kate feels about covers (see the liner notes) I'd bet she'd appreciate it too. It was great to see that someone whose taste in music seems to be so different from what you imagine Kate's to be obviously loved the song enough to really spend some time with it and _own_ it; make it his own song. This is how covers should be done. > > Diamond Jim Greene's version of Home For Christmas is utterly bizarre. > Sounds like a "Duke of Yuke" cover song. (FYI, the Duke is a Portland > performer who covers punk and hardcore songs on his ukelele with > appropriate vocals. Hilarious.) Hafta disagree here, too. Very touching, almost haunting version. His swampy twang puts me in mind of a lonely houndog and an indifferent moon. > Not surprisingly, the female interpretations seem better than the male > ones. The notable exception is Thomas Negovan's "And Dream Of Sheep." Very > pretty, very well done. Largely disagree. For me, the biggest disappointment on the album is Syd Straw's cover of "The Man with the Child in His Eyes." She just doesn't seem to care that much about the song. It falls very flat for me. The lead vocals are indifferent, the harmonies half-hearted, tentative; and she makes no attempt to get inside the song and re-present it from a personal point of view. Which was a _huge_ disappointment, because Syd's one of my mostest favoritest things about this planet. The Moviegoers' "Hounds of Love" is pretty straightforward rocknroll, nicely done. Bit disappointed that they removed Kate's hound baying, but then again glad they reinterpreted it from the ground up. Nora O'Connor's "The Saxophone Song" is beautiful, jazzy. I love the use of a baritone sax instead of the alto on Kate's. Makes it bluesier and meatier. Justin Roberts "You're the One." Very nice. _Very_ nice. Pretty straightforward, but deeply felt and emotionally whole. Mouse's "Coffee Homeground." Loved it. Very Geraldine Fibbersy. They had a lot of fun with this song, I think. Raw, silly, and dark, as the song should be. Catherine Smitko, "Jig of Life." What a talented bunch of musicians on this track, but what's the point? A very worshipful tribute to Kate, but a great deal of effort obviously went into making every note of every instrument _just_like_Kate's._ And since that's ultimately impossible, this track suffers the obvious comparison. But I'd _love_ to hear Catherine Smitko do some of her own stuff, since she's good enough to _almost_ beat Kate at her own game. The Baltimores, "Running Up That Hill." Great, twisted, fun sound, but ruined for me by the fact that they didn't get the song. They sing "And if I only could, I'd make a deal with God, and get him to swap places," instead of, as written, "...and get him to swap _our_ places." By removing one little three-letter word, they make it a song about arrogance, rather than the song about humility that Kate wrote. Very disappointing, because otherwise I love their sound and their take on the song. But I cringe at that point every time. My Scarlet Life, "Suspended in Gaffa." Way cool. Very electro-dark; a band obviously aware of their debts to Ms. Bush, and grateful rather than defensive about it. ("Kate Bush didn't invent the box!") I was a bit put off at first with the way they smoothed out the wonderful rhythms of Kate's original, but then the smoothness wore me down. Trinkets of Joy, "Love and Anger." Pretty straightforward rocknroll, but still with their own personality. Very nice. Thomas Negovan, "And Dream of Sheep." Beautiful. Really zeroes in on the chamber quality of Kate's composition and makes a very convincing case for Kate as an art-music composer. Kronos should do the entire volume II of _I_Wanna_Be_Kate_. Or Thomas Negovan. Tom Dunning and Your Boyfriends, "Not This Time." A song I was not very familiar with, though I probably have four copies of Kate's original. Tom has a comfortable, warm voice that works really well with the band, who're impressive musicians all. Nice polished pop piece with a plainly felt real emotional connection to the song. Very, very nice. Great closure for the trip the album takes you on. - --charley n.p. Yum Yum: _Dan_Loves_Patty_ n.r. Still Dostoevsky. Parbly for a while still. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:13:10 -0500 From: Chip Lueck Subject: Re: I Wanna Be Kate CD >---Michael Pearce wrote: >> Completely unlistenable was There Goes A Tenner by J Davis Trio, a >> "rap"-like interpretation. I will have to go rehear the original to And Charley responded: >I absolutely disagree. My very favorite thing on the album. Knowing >how Kate feels about covers (see the liner notes) I'd bet she'd I have to say I agree with Charley. Although I do not like the style of music, I love what he's done! I respect and admire the artist(s), and I smiled when I first heard it because I thought it was so cool. I still don't care much for it musically (that's just my taste) and have skipped over it on a few listens of the CD. If I would have heard it elsewhere, I probably would have tuned it out long before I ever recognized what it was I was listening to. Nevertheless, this track gets a big fat gold star from this boy! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:02:29 -0500 From: Mark Lowry Subject: Re: I Wanna Be Kate CD > ---Michael Pearce wrote: > > > > I just got this tribute CD today. Very interesting work. ... Completely > unlistenable was There Goes A Tenner by J Davis Trio, a "rap"-like > interpretation. I will have to go rehear the original to see if there is > even a common note between the two. charley darbo wrote: > I absolutely disagree. My very favorite thing on the album. Here here! "Tenner" is easily the best. Musical tastes are musical tastes, so no sense in faulting someone for his obvious dislike of acid jazz and, it can be assumed, rap. But even if I wasn't already a fan of acid jazz, I'd still think that what the J. Davis Trio has done is nothing short of genius. Kate's lyrics *totally* lend themselves to this style of music. The only thing that saddens me is that the group had only heard Kate on her duet with Peter Gabriel. But hey, there's always room for new Kate fans. When they were approaced to record for the album, they wanted to do "Why Should I Love You." (Thank god that didn't happen). Obviously a man who *knew* what he wanted to accomplish with the album, Tom Dunning recommended "Tenner." (You can read the whole story on the "I Wanna Be Kate" website) But the interpretation was all J. Davis Trio. Cheers to them for being able to (almost) match Kate's brilliance. My other faves are "Coffee Homeground" and "Suspended in Gaffa." And even though it's a total copy of the original, I love "Jig of Life" because it's my fave Kate song and Smitko's voice is so haunting. Dunning informs me that she also does a great cover of Pearl Jam's "Black." I have to repeat it and Thomas Negovan's "And Dream of Sheep" several times before I go to the subsequent tracks. I wholeheartedly applaud the versions of "Running Up That Hill" and "Home for Christmas." I too was disappointed with Syd's song, cuz I love her. And I'm not a big fan of "You're the One," if only because I thought there were better songs on "The Red Shoes" (um, 11 to be exact). Would've killed to hear cool covers of "Lily" or "Big Stripey Lie." But I guess everyone's got their own opinions.... Mark n.p. Pat Benatar's newly released *eight fifteen eighty* (live in SF, 1980!), and, of course, MWABT. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:39:21 -0500 From: charley darbo Subject: a reply to Birdie's reply to my fold-music diatribe Birdie wrote: "................................................... "certain art, books, music have been banned and/or burned and/or not shown or played over the ages......as it can inspire people to behave differently than the ruling class - status quo wants them to. "Art can enlighten or enrage people or just help them keep moving. "Artists have been killed and put in jail because of the power of their art to educate and/or enrage people. " The Soviets banned Shostokovich's Symphony #10 because it was such a clear indictment of the Stalin regime, even though it was entirely without words. "................................................... "(quoting charley:)'Art > that is shared is art; art that is taught as truth is religion. > Religion is, after all, in my definition, art thatıs gotten out of > hand: one personıs map of the universe imposed upon another person.' "Let's compare your definition of art as a lesson to German Expressionism as art that teaches by being an abstract documentation of the human condition at that place - period of time. "I do not consider it religion nor do I consider it art that has gotten out of hand." You misunderstand my use of the word "religion." I think you assume I use "religion" to mean "spirituality," which I most emphatically do not. I meant religion as in indoctrination; usually referred to as "organized religion," but I didn't want to use that term because I didn't want to single out the church, or churches: some people get their religious indoctrination from their parents or their peers. "Therefore, your imposing of your map of the universe on to mine isn't jivin'." We need to nip this kind of reaction right away. My explication of _my_ map is in no way an imposition of it on yours. You imply that there can be no discussion without forced mental colonialism. I beg strongly to differ. "I do agree that religion partly is art that has gotten out of hand and has been used for centuries to manipulate and control large masses of people, beginning in time before weapons were what they are today." This is the sense in which I meant my definition, so we largely agree. "................................................... "(quoting charley:) 'I learn a great deal more about truth and its variations from real > life, by both participation and observation, and its analog, > fiction/metaphor/_art_, than from religion; dictation; pedagoguery > (!); and the smug didacticism of American folk music.' "Yes, but doesn't everybody? No. Some people are not artists and don't have the time to think about much - let alone make metaphors - - let alone art. This doesn't make artists more important than firemen by the way. It just means they can drink starbucks and discuss electric cars and frogs." I'm not sure if I get what you mean hear. Surely you didn't think I was raising people who identify themselves artists above people who do not. According how I understand and define art, everyone is an artist, whether they identify themselves as such or not. Everyone spends their life struggling to make sense of their life, and only the people who consciously document that process call themselves artists. What makes a writer more of an artist than anyone else who uses language? Only that the writer calls him- or herself an artist. "(quoting me:)> 'And even that, of course, is vastly oversimplifying the matter, > because often itıs not really a tone at all. Sometimes it even seems > like a lack of tone; an apparent belief that the lyrics will say all > that need be said and that the singer feels itıs unnecessary to invest > the performance with any emotion. ' "Bob Dylan springs to mind......well - ok - the guy has a very limited vocal range..... and very nasal. The lyric's have to say it with him otherwise, ahem, well you wouldn't sit around listening to him sing the telephone directory now would you? 'Frankie Leeeeeeeee' 'John Brownnnnnn' "Other people are saddled with gorgeous voices and supply the cotton candy effect even if they sang about rape...so, they should stick to songs about flowers is what you are saying?" No, not at all, but unfortunately the rest of your reply is based on this misunderstanding. "(quoting me:)> 'This is actually closer to what > bothers me: the smug belief in the absolute truth of oneıs lyrics, > manifested by a cavalier delivery.' " Well, that sounds like Dylan to me." Not to me. Sounds like Judy Collins. "I think you are confusing what peoples voices are capable of. Do you really think that Pete Seger or Bob Dylan can vocally produce more than a monotone? "I don't. I've done shows with Dylan. I'm also going to have to hand it to both of those men (and hey, Bruce Springsteen) for having such incrediably long fruitful careers while sporting such limited monotone voices. Talk about having done a lot with very little. "I don't believe in faulting people for the equipment they were born with - it's what they do with it...and those guys can seriously only do so much in terms of tone. It is unreasonable to expect otherwise." I never mentioned Dylan, because I don't feel about him the way you've assumed I do. I don't group him in with the singers I'm talking about. And I'm not talking about vocal ability, I'm talking about the ability to communicate an emotion with the voice. I love Leonard Cohen and Tom Waits, both of whom make Dylan sound like...like Happy Rhodes, or something. And I like Dylan too, for the most part. And I like Johnny Cash, Susan Voelz, Patty Smith, and a whole lot of other people who really can't sing at all. "(quoting me:)> 'Pete Seger can have the same vocal > tone, the same emotional color, on a song about a happy little kid as > he has on a song about the eternal horrors of war.' "Again...His tone has to do with the pipes he was given...and like Dylan - - the guy has a limited vocal range." No; I'm not talking about musical tone, but about emotional tone, as in "tone of voice." The means by which the emotional state of a person can be understood merely from their tone of voice, even if they're speaking or singing in a language entirely foregin to you. "(quoting me:)> 'Judy Collins has > _one_ inflection. (Please donıt bother to disagree with me; this is > all about my personal interpretations, and Iım fully aware that there > are many people out there [even many Ectophiles] who feel differently.)' "Urm.....Are you confusing the key she sings in with inflection? No. Okay, but I would say Judy pretty much sings in the same key and I don't think you probably like that key and/or appreciate more range." No, and Judy Collins sings in as many keys as anyone else. (How many are there? Joe? It's been awhile since piano lessons.) And again, I'm not talking about the timbre of her voice, which admittedly makes my spine curl up like a stranded worm on a hot day. And by inflection I mean, again, some vague notion about how the voice communicates emotion. "Lot's of people can only sing certain types of songs as they can only sing in one key and one octave range!" I think you're confused here. I don't think there's any such thing as a person who can only sing in one key. Keys are arbitrary human impositions on music for the sake of organization and codification; they have nothing at all to do with how people physiologically produce music. They're simply labels for various agreed-upon groups of notes. "And no they shouldn't be prevented from performing because they have some feelings they want to sing about!" I really must protest. How could anyone possibly infer from my post that I wanted to prevent anyone from performing? "People like Luther Vandross or Whitney Houston can over inflect...and if real feeling is lacking...well...who cares about inflection. Inflection can be purely technical and there to *impress* with style and ability." Again, that's not what I meant by inflection. And no matter the vocal gymnastivs of Whitney Huston or Celine Dion or Mariah Carey, they're still emotionally deaf to the music. They're singing is _only_ about technique, at the expense of emotion. "I'd rather hear someone sing the blues - that has a limited range - but who means it than someone who may be technically a champ at the vocal gym but who is singing without conviction." We agree here: that is entirely, in a very nice nutshell, the point of my post. "........................................... ". . .while a performer can be full of conviction in say a love song - they may have no real abilities to maintain a healthy loving relationship with another human being in real life. "........................................... "People can be brilliant locked up in an isolation booth laying down vocal tracks to a song that maps out their desire for a lover but in real life same person could be terrified of such a relationship and do nothing but run from becoming intimate with anyone. "So, even people sounding like they are singing with total conviction can be deceiving. Except for that they sound totally convincing." I think I understand what you're saying but I disagree. Jane Siberry is a very cold, intimidating, unfriendly person in real life, and I think the beauty of her music grows from her struggles in dealing with the issues that have a hold of her and make her so unhappy. "Sometimes I wonder if the bland singers have really exciting lives and the exciting singers have really dull ones. " Alec Guinness once said something to the effect that great actors show very little emotion in their real lives; in some neurotic way they require the stage to release their emotions. This makes perfect sense to me and I've seen it illustrated many, many times. "So, my point is that someone could sing this amazing song about interpersonal relationships - with a great range - and appropriate inflections and wonderful phrasing......and maybe behind the scenes be self abusive or in a rotten relationship." This is probably true oftener than we think. I think we've all seen proof that a miserable life can produce great art. "(quoting me):> 'Iım much more interested in art, music or otherwise, in which Iım > _engaged_ by the artist in a collaborative effort to reach a greater > understanding of our common universe.' "That was the intent of american folk music...and it worked." Yes, it worked--and works--for a lot of people, but we'll continue to disagree on whether it works for each of us. "It's just that your universe is different than the union workers in the 20's, the cotton pickers, the gays in the 70's, and so on." Um, I was a gay person in the 70s. (And I really dislike the use of "gay" as a noun. It's as offensive as saying "blacks" or "cripples." Gay is not what I am, I am a person. Gay is just one of the many adjectives that describe me. [descend soapbox]) "Except that if you enjoy science in your music - try - "Both Sides Now" or "Windmills of your Mind"....and any other music which brings up things going around and around...." I'm not sure what you're driving at here (science? things going around and around? why do I feel like I just walked into the middle of a conversation?) but neither of those songs speak to me as strongly as they do to others. "Like the seasons or the sun....or if you squint and look very hard...those wee little cells." "Well, you know, since you did use the universe word." "And words..." and more and more words. I began this determined just to keep the bits I was going to respond to specifically, but of course then I got swept away in responding to all of it. Sorry for the bandwidth. - --charley n.p. A headache bigger than my head. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:48:16 EDT From: JavaHo@aol.com Subject: Re: ebba forsberg Bill says: << I "discovered" Sweden's Ebba Frosberg's _been there_ album earlier this week, and am really enjoying it >> I picked this up a couple of months ago after sampling it at Borders. I'd have to agree with Bill; it's not a knockout, but it's quite pleasant. It hasn't spent much time in my changer, so it may grow on me further as time goes on. I've just had so many new things to discover that I've been hooked on the "blows me away" stuff to the temporary exclusion of the "kinda nice" stuff. Thanks for reminding me...I'll pull it out again soon. Cheers...Java np...Vince Guaraldi Trio "A Charlie Brown Christmas". Yeah, I know...but I needed a little Christmas in August. And besides...Little Java picked it out as dinner music. How could I say no? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:57:59 -0700 (PDT) From: charley darbo Subject: Geez! I am all about typos that's folK-music diatribe _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:01:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Subject: Anyone up... ... for a lil IRC ecto? I'm on EFnet. - - B. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 19:04:52 -0700 From: "Eric Brown" Subject: RE: I Wanna Be Kate CD OK, so where does one obtain this CD? CDNow and Tower haven't heard of it. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-ecto@smoe.org [mailto:owner-ecto@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Mark > Lowry > Sent: Friday, August 21, 1998 5:02 PM > To: ecto@smoe.org > Subject: Re: I Wanna Be Kate CD > > > My other faves are "Coffee Homeground" and "Suspended in Gaffa." And even > though it's a total copy of the original, I love "Jig of Life" > because it's > my fave Kate song and Smitko's voice is so haunting. Dunning > informs me that > she also does a great cover of Pearl Jam's "Black." I have to > repeat it and > Thomas Negovan's "And Dream of Sheep" several times before I go to the > subsequent tracks. I wholeheartedly applaud the versions of > "Running Up That > Hill" and "Home for Christmas." > > I too was disappointed with Syd's song, cuz I love her. And I'm not a big > fan of "You're the One," if only because I thought there were better songs > on "The Red Shoes" (um, 11 to be exact). Would've killed to hear > cool covers > of "Lily" or "Big Stripey Lie." But I guess everyone's got their own > opinions.... > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:47:06 -0500 From: Karen Snyder Subject: Re: Emm Gryner on CBC Radio One (aug. 22) According to the DNTO page on the cbc websight http://www.radio.cbc.ca/dnto/Thisweek.htm 1-2pm. *Better living through technology! Why is it that after years of scepticism about technology, we seem to find ourselves back in the land of sunny optimism about consumer technology? We take a look at technology and marketing. *Warren Clements serves up statistical oddities on the subject of sex. Handy nuggets of information for your next cocktail party! *Singer-songwriter Emm Gryner drops by for a chat and a song. *Lilith Fair: politically empowering and musically inspiring....or corporate sellout? Matt Tunnacliffe offers his perspective. Happy Listening - to those who can! Karen >Hey, apparently Emm is supposed to be on CBC's Radio One >this weekend (Aug 22) on the show Definitely Not the Opera. >(My question is: how can she be in MA and Canada at the >same time? Guess this was pretaped?) > >Here's the info: >This week on DNTO singer-songwriter Emm Gryner drops by for >a chat and a song. Lilith Fair: politically empowering and >musically inspiring...or corporate sellout? > >If anyone has anymore info on this, that'd be good, I have no >idea if it's happening or not, but it was from someone at >Radio one. Also, if anyone is taping this: I got goods if you >wnat to trade...good stuff... :) And I'm really interested in >the Lilith arguments, as the Ecto people are aware of. :) > >Thanks, > >jessica n. weiser \ http://adam.nettfriends.com/Jess / "the trouble with > me is keep believing in the wrong things. who needs to believe anyway? > i have given all, i have seen what it brings, i wish it all away" - t.maclean ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:03:41 -0400 From: Ted & Debbie Subject: Re: I am not a Republican! Charley (and anyone else who may have been offended by my comments regarding gay musicians)- - - Thanks for a level-headed response, and for giving me the benefit of the doubt. You were right, I'm not evil or patronizing, just haven't quite gotten the hang of the language yet apparently, because folks still sometimes hear things I didn't think I was saying. When I said I didn't give gay folks any "special treatment", I simply meant I treat them as individuals, rather than adding or subtracting points for their sexual orientation. The best boss I ever had was gay, and I've hired several gay men. I've done community theatre work with gay men and women. The guy who introduced me to Happy was transgendered (and probably still is). But, yeah, I've known a butthead or too who were gay as well. Straight folks are likewise uncategorizable as a whole. I do admire the courage it takes to come out as gay against public disapproval, though that's still much less dangerous these days than even just a few years back. Wish I had the courage to admit to the world that I'm transgendered. . . oops, just outed myself. I guess it's easier than I thought. Anyhoo, sorry to have mis-spoken or whatever. If you look at the general tone of that post, or this one, maybe you can tell I'm just a big goofy kidder most of the time, and occasionally I'm clueless about why some folks get offended by things I think are fairly innocent. It could be me. But what can I do. . . I gotta be me. . . Ted, who isn't a Republican, but met one once. n.p. "Be Careful What You Type" / Happy Rhodes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:22:33 -0400 From: Ted & Debbie Subject: Re: LH&R Birdie- - - Yeah, The Pointers did a killah cover of Cloudburst on their live album (always one of my faves. . . now I have to go dig it up again). ^_^ They probably had it on one of their first two studio albums as well, but the live version is the one I recall. n.p. "You'll Find Me Forever In Heidi" / Happy Rhodes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:22:57 EDT From: Riphug@aol.com Subject: Re: I Wanna Be Kate CD In a message dated 8/21/98 10:07:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ericbr@gte.net writes: << OK, so where does one obtain this CD? CDNow and Tower haven't heard of it. >> The official release date (according to ICE magazine) is September 22nd. It's on the "Brown Star" label. According to the official "I Wanna Be Kate" website at: http://www.tezcat.com/~stunning/kate/index.html <> Jill :D *share the music!* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 21:30:48 -0700 From: Birdie Subject: Re: Geez! I am all about typos charley darbo wrote: > that's folK-music diatribe Oh, I thought we were dissing music that has edges and could be considered square.....or that was music to do laundry by.......excuse my reply! Birdie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:39:35 EDT From: Penta5@aol.com Subject: Re: a reply to Birdie's reply to my fold-music diatribe In a message dated 8/21/98 9:45:41 PM, you wrote: <> Arrgh !! Many nightmares will be born tonight !!! Anna ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V4 #289 **************************