From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V4 #278 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Monday, August 17 1998 Volume 04 : Number 278 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: *Really* evil/anti Lilith/Sarah article up on the web... ["Jeffrey C.] lilith fair bullshit ["Jeffrey C. Burka" ] Re: lilith fair bullshit [Silme@ix.netcom.com] Re: lilith fair bullshit ["Jeffrey Hanson" ] Irish music, Lilith, & stuff [Carolyn Andre ] Lilith list? [queen of carrot flowers ] new happy and tmbg [damon ] Re: *Really* evil/anti Lilith/Sarah article up on the web... [FAMarcus@ao] Lilith redux [Carolyn Andre ] Re: lilith fair bullshit [FAMarcus@aol.com] Re: Sinead Lohan? [00jnweiser@bsuvc.bsu.edu] [gondola@deltanet.com: attn Fibbers fans] [woj sven-woj ] Re: Lilith list? [Jeff Wasilko ] Re: Lilith list? [jason and jill ] Re: Newbie [jjh969@juno.com] Re: "Roy" single? [jjh969@juno.com] Re: Newbie [woj sven-woj ] Ectogather in Boston, Saturday 8/29, 1pm [Jeff Wasilko ] ecto news page updated [meredith ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:13:26 -0400 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: *Really* evil/anti Lilith/Sarah article up on the web... Horter!!! wrote: Birdie: > > > Could someone list an *out* gay artist who had their career made by > > > having a primarily straight following? This is a test. Joe (with a rather quick comeback!): > > Elton John. er...don't recall who this was: > >how about freddie mercury of Queen ???? I don't recally Freddy every being overly out, though I could be imagining things. I mean, everyone knew he was bi, or whatever, but was he *out*? And finally: > Does Rob Halford of Judas Priest count as being *out*? Well, he does *now*. Sure, it's one of those things I've been hearing for years 'n years (I'm guess I knew he was gay back in '90-ish? it was certainly something I heard in college) But he's just now being open and forthcoming about the whole thing. Wonder how many JP fans went screaming into the night over finding out that they'd been screaming and chanting and cheering for a big ol' leather queen. Heh heh. I guess a bigger question is, how many out gay folk have there been who have been fortchoming from the beginning of their career and had a large straight following anyway? And I'm not sure I could name a single one. (and I won't count people who were ambigiously coy about maybe being bisexual) jeff (the _original_ friendly neighborhood ectofag) np _Karma_, Delerium ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:30:05 -0400 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: lilith fair bullshit Reading all these articles on LF (thanks, riphug, for forwarding it to ecto, though it *was* a bit long... ;-) is a bit frustrating. Over and over again, it seems to come down to "journalists" looking for other reasons to rail on LF and Sarah AS A RESULT of the fact that they don't like her (or Jewel's, or Shawn's, or Natalie's, or...) MUSIC. I read these articles and I, who never really contemplated going to *either* LF, feel like I'm being horribly put down becuase I enjoy listening to Sarah, and others on the tour. The most offensive paragraph in this one was: >You've got McLachlan, a star by herself but a sort of >operatic Bill Gates with Lilith; you've got Natalie Merchant, who's been >pushing earnestness for years but has lately become little more than a >footnote; you've got Sheryl Crow, who...just dropped off the L.A. date due to >"exhaustion"; you've got the Indigo Girls, who haven't gotten any closer to >fine since Michael Stipe moved on to Hugo Largo; and you've got Shawn Colvin, >about whom the less said, the better. HUNH? a) equating SM with Bill Gates? Where the hell did that come from? b) Natalie Merchant has become a footnote? _Tigerlilly_ was huge, she disappeared for a couple of years to produce a new album, and it's getting tons of airplay. c) Indigo Girls, well, I'm not sure I get *that* comment. After all, where's Hugo Largo anymore? And did *they* ever work with Jane? ;-) d) Whoops, here I am, an idiot once again because I *like* Shawn Colvin. Why the hell should I take ANY of this seriously? And finally, From the NewTimes article: <> The emotional highs and lows I've felt at Sarah McLachlan shows, the catharsis I've experienced listening to her music (and many other LF tour members) both live and recorded, have been exquisite. Would I expect them at a festival like LF? No, not really; given the lengths of the sets, the size (and rudeness) of the crowds, the size of the venue (do I expect Sarah to move me over a crappy sound system from 500 feet away the way she does from 6 feet away?). But I certainly don't need some fool "reporter" telling me that I can't get catharsis from "Sarah McLachlan and Jewel and Natalie Merchant and all the other lilies" Feh. jeff n.p. _Ambient Volume 1_, Aural Gratification (_Ra is a Busy God_, to be specific...ahhhh) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 10:56:40 +0000 From: Silme@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: lilith fair bullshit I was a bit bothered by the New Times article. (Yes, I like Shawn Colvin. I now have admitted it. What -- is there a Shawn Colvin anonymous group or something? :) While there was some interesting information in it, the reporter's (or perhaps her editor's) tone annoyed me. (Do remember that teaching journalism and writing is my profession.) I didn't attend Lilith last year for some very practical reasons. The one closest to me was in Winter Park. I didn't really have any desire to sit in the sun on grassy ski slopes looking down at performers. It was all GA, as I recall, and what with the drive from Boulder, I would've had to hit the road at shriek o'clock AM to get a decent spot on the hill. (Remember that not only was this the Lilith at the smallest venue, it also was the Lilith that started in the morning.) Interestingly enough, around here it was billed primarily as the first day of the Great American Music Fest, which is held at the Winter Park Ski Area every year. Day 1 did not sell out. Day 2, which featured Shawn Colvin among others, did. Also, two friends and I had already purchased tix to see Dar Williams perform in Boulder that evening, so the idea of attending Lilith was moot at that point. I decided to attend Lilith this year out of curiousity. I'd originally planned only to go to the Denver show since several friends wanted to go. It was a combination seeing the acts, seeing what Lilith was about, and sharing a day with good friends. I decided to attend the Camden, NJ, show when I realized I would be in Philly then; Indigo Girls, Morcheeba, and Beth Orton (albeit she cancelled later) would be there, and my 20-year-old nephew who had never been to a concert before wanted to go. So, I went, 20 year old in tow. He got to hear me gripe about the E-Centre's parking fees, the expensive water, and the fact that there weren't big cries when IG got to the "we went to the mountains line" since there aren't any mountains in New Jersey. (I'm an obnoxious Coloradan. I don't believe mountains start until you're above treeline. :) Overall, however, he had a grand time. Lilith is what it is. It's corporate. It's commercial. No, it doesn't provide you with wholesome vegetarian cooking for a week as Michigan does, but then it never promised to do that. The sets are short. The acts play in large venues that I usually avoid due to crowds and rules about what you can bring in with you. Will I go next year? Probably not. I'm getting closer to 40, and I'm just not into large shows anymore. If you don't want to go, don't. If you do, have a good time. Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 98 10:13:47 PDT From: "Jeffrey Hanson" Subject: Re: lilith fair bullshit - ---------- > Reading all these articles on LF (thanks, riphug, for forwarding it > to ecto, though it *was* a bit long... ;-) is a bit frustrating. Here here! For me, it's articles like this and journalists like this, and industry critics like this, that take away from the music. I chose not to go to Lilith this year, mainly because I was going to be out of town when it was in town, and because I had seen all of the artists I was really interested in seeing at least once before in smaller, more intimate settings. However, last year I went to see it in Minneapolis, took my mother, and we had a great time. Never had I seen a crowd so friendly, so diverse, and so appreciative of the music. I saw men and women, young and old, gay and straight, joining together to enjoy music. I saw people from a wide variety of ethnic groups though not as wide as some may prefer. IT was not the typical huge concert experience I'd dreaded it to be. MOst of the people there seemed to truly be enjoying the music--even the other acts that they hadn't specifically come to see. Sarah, along with her management , have created something special. It may not last forever,, but what does. I'm sick of critics complaining aboiut the lack of diversity on the tour. How diverse was Lollapallooza, Smokin' Grooves, or HORDE? Who really wants to go see ar eally diverse act of music. Personally I'd be much happier if they left the rap acts out of Lilith, (Though I thought Erykah Badu was a good inclusion). To me, Lilith Fair's big mistake was marketing itself as a Celebration of Women in Music, because people immediately interpreted is as a Celebration of Every Woman who ever Tried to Make Noise to a Beat. Whereas I interpreted it as a Celebration of Women in Music Who Have Really Good Voices and Can Actually Sing. Not to take anything away from the people who like rap artists, grunge punk, and other stuff, (many of which I also like when I'm in certain moods), but to me, Lilith was more about a type of well-crafted, well-performed music (dare I say ectophilic music) by talented musicians who can actually sing on key (though how Meridith Brooks slipped through the first year I don't know--oops I guess even I can't but help snide remarks about artists I don't like--perhaps I have more in common with the newspaper critics than I'd hoped)). Anyway, this all takes me back to a few years ago when Tori Amos's Little Earthquakes came out and I became a huge fan, had a wonderful front-row concert experience and then got on her mailing list, where the criticism and constant exposure to everything Tori ever said make me become almost sick of her. Same thing almost happneed on the Jewel list but I switched to news-only format before I let it happen to me. I don't believe it's Sarah or the Lilith Fair that is going to be the demise of women in music. (As if such a thing would ever really happen). But it's the critics and the industry's constant railings over its imagined failings that ruins it for me. Jeff Hanson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:55:08 -0500 From: Carolyn Andre Subject: Irish music, Lilith, & stuff First, in my comments about Sinead Lohan's new album, I rather misstepped with a broad statement about Irish music. Michael Hayes pointed it out to me: > >Perhaps my misunderstanding is due to the fact that it's late; >otherwise... > >> I did find the album, musically, as Jill says, a bit of a mix of >> singer/songwriter and country & ballads. (actually, Irish music seems >> influenced by country -- a couple of years ago when I called Dara Records, >> their 'on hold' music was nearly always from albums or radio that contained >> *very country* Irish music). > >Irish music seems influenced by country? If anything, I thought that >it would be the other way around (if I recall correctly, the ballad >"Shenandoah" was brought to America by Irish immigrants -- or at least >the music was...). > >Or is there a word or phrase I'm missing here? > yeah, the operative phrase *should* have been: > (actually, *much of current [non-rock]** Irish music seems >> influenced by country -- a couple of years ago when I called Dara Records, >> their 'on hold' music was nearly always from albums or radio that contained >> *very country* Irish music). there *certainly* has been documented bi-directional cross-pollination between the music of Ireland and Scotland and that of the Appalachians of the US, in particular ... yet a different thread, and at least one 10-part Irish television series by Philip King! - ----- Jill D commented, in response to: ><< Regarding Sinead Lohan, I only have listened to the new cd a couple of > > times, but I rather like it. Of course, I liked her first release also > > -- it may just be my personal taste. >> > >what? I thought that "No Mermaid" was Sinead's first release....... >hmmmm...... In 1995, either following on or immediately before the Irish hit compilation, A Woman's Heart II, Sinead came out with an album called "Who Do You Think I Am" on the Irish label, Dara (of AWH and Mary Black fame). She did do a few US appearances, including appearing at one of Nashville's Bluebird Cafe's showcases of women singer/songwriters. But the album has never been released in the US, or on a US label. It *has* shown up as an import in some locales. It's entirely original songs by the young Cork singer/songwriter, and was done under the guidance of Declan Sinnott (most recently formerly with Mary Black, and before that with the Irish band, Horslips. He's currently backing, touring & producing Mary's sister, Frances Black, on her 1998 album and at the 2 Guinness Fleadh dates). - ----- as to out gay performers with straight followings ... could *anyone* have been confused about Liberace??? . ... then, of course, there are those who teased & tantalized their straight followings by claims of bisexuality to stir up more audience ... David Bowie (yes, I know that's not what Birdie asked ) - --- In the Lillith articles that keep bringing up Cowboy Junkies as a participating band - guess I must've been braindead and not noticed they were playing. I love their music, and have since all of the albums, particularly the trancelike singing of Margo, but have always thought of them as 'a band', which happens to have a woman singer. If you listen to their concert chat, its obvious they are a *band*, who develops things together, and I assume decided Margo is the best to front their stuff. I've personally never thought of them as "Margo Timmins with band" . (Actually, same as I've always thought of Mary Chapin Carpenter's current incarnation.) While Shawn Colvin, Bonnie Raitt, Emmylou Harris do perform with backing bands, I think of them as individual artists who perform with backing musicians to tour. So I'm personally kinda amused to see the discussions of the Cowboy Junkies in terms of 'female bands/female-fronted bands' - tho not upset with their inclusion in Lilith; if the tour felt they fit in, why not .... - -------- seguing into all the continuing furor about Lilith - somewhat along the same lines as Jeff just commented, I just keep seeing people (particularly the journalists) expressing their personal opinions about music, and their stereotyped sexism ("why, the little woman couldn't *possibly* do anything without male assistance") - with a large chunk of anti-capitalism thrown in. and keep hearing the frustration of those who are frustrated and envious that *someone else* has had a success where they have not been able to do so -- and who, I'm assuming, see that success as stealing the opportunity that otherwise would have gone to them. This latest article does a lot of the above, but among other things has the decency to include quotes from some of the artists who declined to participate - all of whom seem to have strong self-identities for themselves & their music, which point to different directions than that taken by Lilith (and who have the guts to keep taking the risks themselves in touring). (re: self-identity. I have certain tastes in music; sometimes I can't explain them even to *myself*. I also have certain preferences about the conditions under which I *enjoy* listening to that music. While the Michigan Womyn's Music Festivals fall into my community & self-identity, and many of the artists are in my tastes, rustic community camping and the particular set of rules for participation don't fit into my own enjoyment, so I don't go. Most of the artists at the "Newport Folk Festival on the Road" are those I've travelled halfway across the country to see at the 'original Newport" or other venues -- but the large outdoor venues at which they're performing again aren't my cup of tea, so I'm not going ... tho I might, in another year, again travel to the (newly '2nd staged' - ) original Newport. I attended Melissa Etheridge's shows in the midwest until 1) I grew less interested in her latest album and 2) she began playing basketball stadiums & that same out door venue. I love Irish singer Mary Black's music; I hated her most recent album, Shine, and thought the 1998 appearance by this singer, known for ballads and soft pop rock, at Chicago's House of Blues - amidst standing, drinking, loudly talking & smoking cigar crowds, really sucked, and didn't enjoy it. And I probably will avoid similar placements in the future. Do I despise any of these events because of the form they have or have grown into? no. I just recognize differences from my personal tastes. And sometimes regret that the changes mean I'll see/hear less of some performers, until things change. seems that the current culture, in a lot of the US at least, is very into a narrow, personal viewpoint - which is expressed as an overall statement of cultural -- and even moral -- criticism! we're certainly entitled to create our own boxes of preference & dislike - and to share them. But *why* do we feel the need to express them as moral values?? they're *personal* values!! I like the music I like - and recognize that, if I remain openminded to what others suggest, I might find more music I like. I, in turn, will try to expose others to the music *I* like. But, I certainly can't criticize *you* as WRONG because you happen to like someone whose voice & music drives me to switch the CD immediately. (well, ok, misguided :-) back to some corporate sponsored, shallow, television and some non-ecto CDs recorded on corporate labels which are run by *men* ... aargh! I might even listen to some music by men - together with some music by women, including feminists *and* lesbians! eek! .... Regards, Carolyn Andre - ------------------- Chicago, IL / USA | Support Independent Music! Use the Internet candre@enteract.com | Carolyn's House of Music: http://house-of-music.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 14:24:45 -0400 (EDT) From: queen of carrot flowers Subject: Lilith list? Does anyone have an address for the Lilith Fair discussion list once hosted on smoe.org? I'm looking for setlists from Syd Straw's sets 8/11-14, and if anyone could help me out... - ---- Chelsea, the mod pixie home: away: tugboat@channel1.com odyshape@hotmail.com "I started out as a missionary, but I couldn't find a religion which didn't promise things to some people at the exclsion of others. The personal voyage into that kind of light shouldn't be denied to anybody." -- Patti Smith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:25:22 -0400 From: damon Subject: new happy and tmbg hi! so, with all the talk of apparently pre-release-date shipments of happy's new cd from cdnow, i decided to go ahead and order it myself. and my cds arrived just in time to keep me company during an all-day packing experience, yay! i *love* the direction she's taken here. not that it's radically different from what comes before, but i think the darker sound contrasts well with the more poppy feel of btc. i haven't had the chance to listen as much as i'd like yet, so my impressions still aren't fully formulated, but there's something to the feel of this album that speaks to me of vintage happy while still being refreshingly new and different. no individual song comments, yet, but... does anyone else think of marvin the paranoid android while they listen to "100 years"? :) i also got they might be giants' _then: the earlier years_, which i've been meaning to pick up for a while. it's basically their first three albums (eponymous, _lincoln_, _miscellaneous t_) along with a bunch of (er, 19) bonus tracks of various sorts. recommended, i think, mostly for raving tmbg fans, completists, or people who don't have the first three albums. i'm definitely not the latter, but i'm enough of the first two to make me quite happy with it. one slight disappointment, though, is the clarity of the liner notes... i certainly never expected to have anything about tmbg explained to me in such simple terms. it would have been more satisfying, somehow, if the booklet had made no sense at all ;) i also picked up tmbg's new greatest hits album, _severe tire damage_ - the first i'd heard of it was when i looked up _then_ on cdnow, which was the day before release... am *i* ever out of the loop. i'm not usually partial to greatest hits albums, but this really isn't the usual sort - it contains nothing that's already appeared on their studio albums, in that all the songs with familiar titles are live versions and usually quite different from the studio versions. plus a few extra tracks, typically tmbuggy.. and a series of "hidden" tracks which is absolutely hilarious, but i won't say more. definitely recommended :) ...and heck, while i'm here, i think i'll take the opportunity to recommend susan court's _high relief_ yet again. ;) - -damon npfm (now preparing for move :) * * * * * * * * * * The Marshall Family: marshall@baldcom.net Laur Marshall: laur@pobox.com http://pobox.com/~jumeaux/laur ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:28:45 EDT From: FAMarcus@aol.com Subject: Re: *Really* evil/anti Lilith/Sarah article up on the web... In a message dated 8/16/98 5:52:54 AM Eastern Daylight Time, metron@tezcat.com writes: << Congratulations, you both win a No Prize! >> Thanks but I think you exceeded your authority on this one......only Stan Lee can give out no-prizes. How about money???????? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:45:02 -0500 From: Carolyn Andre Subject: Lilith redux After I sent that last note, I was thinking - and realized that, in some ways, i had fallen into the same trap as the various press had - and as Birdie pointed out a bit ago. To some extent, I was still concentrating on the economics & philosophy & morality, not the music. participating - and having participated and left - on many diverse music-related mailing lists over the years, ecto is a nearly totally different place: while obviously holding individual opinions, the members have broad tastes, and are tolerant of the varied tastes of others. And are constantly introducing the general 'membership' to new music with tremendous range and depth. a lot of the other lists include people who, in the main, are fairly narrowly-focussed on the artist who is subject of the list and, perhaps 2 or 3 other musicians. and are generally vocal advocates of the "theme" artist, and rather intolerant of anything taken as less than pedestal-status comments . but - we quicly forget. the bulk of the public in many countries know music from that they hear on the radio or, perhaps, on the music programs those 'music television' channels still deign to occasionally play. and most of these are heavilly programmed with what is 'mainstream' in whatever their designated genre is. which, in most cases, represents only the miniscule tip of the available artists in that genre. "festivals" (or rather organized concert tours) of *any* type offer the opportunity of exposing this public to new artists & new music. Even if the general composition of a particular fest/tour is limited and close to mainstream, there's a good chance that many people attending will still encounter people new to them. ... here on this list, there are people who've commented on the 'well known' names on Lilith being new to them because radio in their part of the country rarely plays the music - and people who are newly hearing of long-time events like the Michigan Womyn's Music Fest. The artists on Lilith might be getting more publicity, visibility and airplay as a result of the tour (as alleged by the various press articles), but - even if we're not thrilled about their music, how many of them do we recall hearing recently -- compared to the other manufactured sound out there?? not much. and likely not for long, even at this level. My mistake in my earlier comments was losing track of this very thing - no matter how uninteresting *I* might think some of the artists are at Lilith, there are people who discover new music there. (not to mention people like a coworker who had enthusiastically considered allowing her grammar-school age daughter to attend the Chicago area Lilith with a mixed group of grammar-high school-college age neighbors, feeling the setting would not be threatening or rowdy or 'dangerous' as rock fests often become). .. promising not to beat this deceased equine any more .... Carolyn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 17:14:36 EDT From: FAMarcus@aol.com Subject: Re: lilith fair bullshit In a message dated 8/16/98 1:19:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jjhanson@worldnet.att.net writes: << But it's the critics and the industry's constant railings over its imagined failings that ruins it for me. >> I try not to get involved with all the crap that surrounds anyone in the entertainment industry. I don't care what actors and musicians do in their personal life....presidents for that matter. I don't care what critics and reviewers say. Even when an artist is interviewed, as in Tori's case, I try to not let that affect my love for her music. She can be very abstract in her responses. I don't mind that in her music that much though. I have long given up going to stadium concerts because I love the intimacy that seeing a Happy Rhodes at the Tin Angel affects me. At 110 people capacity that's the extreme, I know. But if I'd go to Lilith Fair it would be to see the people there, most of which I would see at a smaller venue given the opportunity (including Shawn Colvin), and not to worry about corporate sponsors and trying to dissect every critics point of view. It's like when I come out of a movie......it's only my opinion that matters. fred ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:22:06 -0500 (EST) From: 00jnweiser@bsuvc.bsu.edu Subject: Re: Sinead Lohan? Jill writes: >Jessica, I was kind of disappointed in the rest of Sinead Lohan's album, >No Mermaid. I really loved the two songs on the promo tape, but it seems >that several of the other tracks on the album are not quite as pretty. It >struck >me at times as being almost *country-sounding*. Ah, okay. This is the second time I've heard this now:) ><Joan Baez, Laura Love, Sinead, etc? It's a really good one, imho, >and they all do "The Boxer" at the end and it rocks. I think it >will be on repeat soon, btw, if it hasn't already happened. >> > >I didn't realize that you get that radio program in Muncie....or Indy....lucky >you! >I checked the Mountain Stage website (http://www.wvpubrad.org/msprograms2.htm) >and can't find hide nor hair of the session you mentioned above...... Heh, we don't get it, not that I'm aware of. I think they replayed it last month. i'm just lucky to have nice friends that tape the good ones for me. ;) I *Wish* we got it around here! jessica n. weiser / 00jnweiser@bsuvc.bsu.edu / http://adam.nettfriends.com/Jess "help me vanish, help me get myself outta here" - e. gryner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 17:57:49 -0400 From: woj sven-woj Subject: [gondola@deltanet.com: attn Fibbers fans] - ----- Forwarded message from Eb ----- Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 18:53:57 -0700 To: fegmaniax@smoe.org From: Eb Subject: attn Fibbers fans >From AllStar (www.allstarmag.com) news: EX-GERALDINE FIBBERS SET TO DEBUT SCARNELLA ALBUM Scarnella, the latest in the seemingly endless list of Geraldine Fibbers side projects, are putting the finishing touches on their self- titled, self- produced debut for Smells Like Records -- the label run by Steve Shelley of Sonic Youth -- tentatively slated for a fall release. The band, made up of Geraldine Fibbers members Carla Bozulich and Nels Cline, formed shortly after the Fibbers were dropped by Virgin at the end of 1997. They insist, however, that the Fibbers are only on "extended hiatus," and will eventually record another album. Scarnella first appeared with the song "Hot Pants" on Super Bad @ 65: A Tribute to James Brown, released by Zero Hour in May (allstar, March 25). But aside from a few scattered shows in the Northwest just prior to recording, the album will be the first chance for most fans to hear original material from the band. They will be playing their first Los Angeles- area shows on Aug. 12 at the Long Beach Museum of Art with Steve Malkmus of Pavement and Hot Tinkle, and Aug. 13 at Mr. T's Bowl in Los Angeles with Malkmus and the And Now Ensemble. Bozulich and Cline headed to Seattle to record the album for Shelley's label the day after Destroy All Nels Cline, the six-piece instrumental band which includes both Bozulich and Cline, made their live debut opening for Shelley and the rest of Sonic Youth in Los Angeles. They wrote much of the material during the trip and while in the studio, and recorded the album in only six days. The 10-song album is a "real good blend of Nels' more exploratory, loose style and Carla's songwriterly [abilities]," says Smells Like Records publicist Carlos Hammerstein. He adds that "each is into what the other does well," making for nearly an hour of music filled with both improvisation and hooks. - ----- End forwarded message ----- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 18:42:08 -0400 From: Jeff Wasilko Subject: Re: Lilith list? On Sun, Aug 16, 1998 at 02:24:45PM -0400, queen of carrot flowers wrote: > Does anyone have an address for the Lilith Fair discussion list once hosted > on smoe.org? I'm looking for setlists from Syd Straw's sets 8/11-14, and > if anyone could help me out... It's actually still here. I was going to point you to http://www.smoe.org/lists/ which lists all of the lists we host, and then I realized that for some reason lilith-fair-fans wasn't listed on the index page. So, I corrected it (-: Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 19:03:55 -0400 (EDT) From: jason and jill Subject: Re: Lilith list? Still hosted on smoe.org. mail majordomo@smoe.org with: subscribe lilith-fair-fans Jason On Sun, 16 Aug 1998, queen of carrot flowers wrote: > Does anyone have an address for the Lilith Fair discussion list once hosted > on smoe.org? I'm looking for setlists from Syd Straw's sets 8/11-14, and > if anyone could help me out... > > ---- > Chelsea, the mod pixie > > home: away: > tugboat@channel1.com odyshape@hotmail.com > > "I started out as a missionary, but I couldn't find a religion which didn't > promise things to some people at the exclsion of others. The personal > voyage into that kind of light shouldn't be denied to anybody." -- Patti > Smith > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:36:32 -0400 From: jjh969@juno.com Subject: Re: Newbie On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:40:56 -0500 Mark Lowry writes: [[The Savagely Snipped Version]] >Hi, > This is my first posting, > > Also, I'll be in NYC >Labor Day weekend ... anyone know of worthwhile Ectophilia concerts >happening then? > >Thanks, > >Mark Lowry > Hi Mark, First of many hopefully. We'll have none o' that philia stuff round here, necro or otherwise, thank you. ;^) I think the Neilds may be doing a free thing on the dock, South Street Seaport, Sunday 9/6/98 1800 hrs. No other details or warranties given or implied. John ********************************************************************************************* JJH969@Juno. Com --- JJH969@msn.com ParadiseSound@Juno.Com -- 718-850-2300 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/triadmedia/sound.htm _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:31:28 -0400 From: jjh969@juno.com Subject: Re: "Roy" single? On Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:09:08 -0500 "Xenu's Sister" writes: >Hoy, >I need information about the promo "Roy" single too. >What's on it? >Thanks in advance. >Vickie >DIVX = GREED - Boycott Circuit City! Yes ! Very Merry (if a bit belated) Birthday Greetings Ms. Vickie ! Cover art's the same as the back cover of the MWABT booklet. It's a single sheet. The inside of the cover has the circuit board graphic without the Happy snap, and it's got the lyrics. The copy Samson sent me didn't mention on it that it's a promo. It may be a promo though, as the exterior shows no bar-code. The interior rear insert has a slightly sepia-toned photo of the left side our muse's blessed countenance. The rear cover art has a fragment of the photo of Happy bending over from pg. 7 in MWABT over-laid by what looks like a legend-less island relief map. That map is also the primary element of the graphic on the disc itself. The map graphic struck me as a very clever counterpoint to the use of the circuit board image. Technology/Nature, we going somewhere, we know not where. The disc has the CD mix and a radio edit mix. The radio edit is 4 min. 34 sec. long. Samson GC01431. John ********************************************************************************************* JJH969@Juno. Com --- JJH969@msn.com ParadiseSound@Juno.Com -- 718-850-2300 http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/triadmedia/sound.htm _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:48:54 -0400 From: woj sven-woj Subject: Re: Newbie also sprach jjh969@juno.com (jjh969@juno.com): >On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 00:40:56 -0500 Mark Lowry >writes: >>Also, I'll be in NYC Labor Day weekend ... anyone know of worthwhile >>Ectophilia concerts happening then? >I think the Neilds may be doing a free thing on the dock, >South Street Seaport, Sunday 9/6/98 1800 hrs. hmmm. roy harper is playing the knitting factory that very same sunday. seeing that a harper gig is not a common occurance, i shall be there instead of south street. woj n.p. ciccone youth -- the whitey album ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:40:40 -0400 From: Jeff Wasilko Subject: Ectogather in Boston, Saturday 8/29, 1pm During the weekend of August 29/30, there's going to be an influx of Ectophiles into Boston (specifically Woj, Meth and Valerie Nozick). So, I'm planning an ectogather for Saturday at 1pm at my house in Reading, MA. There's plenty of parking, and Reading is on the commuter rail line (and we'll be happy to arrange a ride from the station). We might also be able to arrange rides from downtown Boston... Please let me know if you're thinking of attending and I'll add you to our mailing list for directions and other announcements. - -Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 22:27:19 -0400 From: meredith Subject: ecto news page updated Hi! Okay, so our hard drive crashed and then I got sent to lovely, happening Rockford, Illinois for a week, and when I got back on Friday the new hard drive STILL hadn't arrived yet. Today woj and I went out and bought a shiny new laptop computer with all the trimmings (including Windblows 98, ugh :P) so hopefully I can get back into the land of the electronic living soon. I'm woefully behind on ectomail (and everything else), but I did just update the ecto "latest news" page to reflect the fact that the new album has been released, at least. I hope to add a list of the radio stations that have received a copy of the album soon -- someone at Samson contacted me with an offer of that information. (I have been hearing selections from it on Echoes quite a bit over the past week, so that's something.) I'm not sure what of my old mail messages survived the crash and I won't know for a little while yet, so I'm just going to repost my call for volunteers to help with the ecto site. As I'm sure many of you know by now the lyrics pages still need work, and with a new album there's a lot of new lyrics to type in, too (I'm going to get going on securing permission from Samson to post the new lyrics this week). The links to other ectophilic home pages are woefully out of date, so if someone wants to take that bull by the horns I'll be more than glad of the help. If you already got in touch with me about this stuff, please send me another note - sorry!!! I hope I'll have better luck with the hardware this time. (Vickie, I still do have your notes from last week. :) Oh, and while I'm here: in case anyone in the New Haven area is looking for the album, Exile On Main Street in Branford will be getting in a new stock on Tuesday. They were apparently the only store in the area to actually get the album in on the release date, which would explain why they're already sold out. They're holding a copy for me. :) woj hasn't been able to find it anywhere, and I didn't have any luck in Rockford last week, either. I have been listening to the tape of it we got a few weeks ago, and I've come to the conclusion that I like it a lot, but a more detailed review will have to wait until I finally get the chance to listen to the CD in a dark, quiet room through headphones. I get the feeling this album deserves that treatment several times over. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V4 #278 **************************