From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V4 #268 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, August 12 1998 Volume 04 : Number 268 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Free Knife in LA [deanorez@juno.com (G Perez)] advance MW via CDNOW [Foghorn J Fornorn ] Re: advance MW via CDNOW [Riphug@aol.com] Re: grrr. [Michael Colford ] Re: Anybody for #ecto? [Kim Justice ] Back to the Garden ["Tom Ditto" ] Re: advance MW via CDNOW [Jeff Wasilko ] Re: Back to the Garden [Riphug@aol.com] Re: MWABT in Burlington, MA/Marketing tips for samson ["C. K. Coney" ] MWABT hunting [Michael Matthews ] Re: MWABT hunting ["Larry S. Greenfield" ] Re: MWABT hunting [ken@engr.st.3com.com (Ken Descoteaux)] Re: advance MW via CDNOW [Neile Graham ] Re: MWABT [Stuart Myerburg ] *Really* evil/anti Lilith/Sarah article up on the web... [00jnweiser@bsuv] Re: Back to the Garden [Neile Graham ] Re: MWABT [James Gurley ] One more comment on the anti-Lilith article [00jnweiser@bsuvc.bsu.edu] Re: MWABT [Silme@ix.netcom.com] Re: Drums?? [charley darbo ] Re: Many Worlds Are Heard Tonight [charley darbo ] Re: *Really* evil/anti Lilith/Sarah article up on the web... [charley dar] MWABT [Steve VanDevender ] Re: *Really* evil/anti Lilith/Sarah article up on the web... [00jnweiser@] HR Back Catalog - found some! [Joe Casadonte ] Re: *Really* evil/anti Lilith/Sarah article up on the web... ["Xenu's Sis] girlfriends ["J." Wermont ] Re: Drums?? [Joseph Zitt ] Re: [Joseph Zitt ] Re: Drums?? [Joseph Zitt ] Re: grrr. [Joseph Zitt ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 03:00:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** *************** Michael Stevens (mjstevens@mindspring.com) **************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Michael Stevens Sat August 12 1967 For Sale or Lease Vickie Mapes Wed August 15 1956 WretchAwry Martin Dougiamas Wed August 20 1969 Positive Tori Amos Thu August 22 1963 Leo Sam Warren Tue August 22 1961 Leo Henk Van Wulpen Sat August 22 1970 Leo Kerry White Wed August 22 1951 Exact Leo/Virgo Don Gibson Wed August 26 1959 Virgo Marcel Rijs Mon August 31 1970 A rose growing old Meredith Tarr Wed September 01 1971 Virgo Mary Lou Rowe Sat September 03 1960 Virgo Scott Zimmerman Mon September 04 1972 Virgo Mike Mendelson Fri September 04 1964 Virgo Richard Dean Wed September 06 1967 Virgo David Blank-Edelman Sat September 09 1967 Neon Holly Tominack Thu September 10 1970 Virgo Sharon Nichols (Rhodeways) Wed September 11 1963 Victim of Christianity Heather Russell Tue September 11 1900 Total Virgosity - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:35:24 -0700 From: deanorez@juno.com (G Perez) Subject: Free Knife in LA 8/13 - Shonen Knife @ Tower Records, Santa Monica (1pm; free) ... I must also recommend buying tickets this Saturday for Lenny Kravitz and Ozomatli at the Greek Theatre 9/16. __ gp _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:38:23 -0400 From: Foghorn J Fornorn Subject: advance MW via CDNOW My advance order of MWABT, placed thru CDNOW in late July, ship confirmed last Friday, arrived Tuesday. Much to my surprise it was one of those marked For Promo Use only. Were all the advances filled that way? BTW, for those of you without CD players in your car: if you take a 100 min cassette, tape tracks 1-9 on side A and 10-11 on B, you can fill side B with all of HRs contributions to the ambient AGs 1 and 2. How's that for a road tape? enjoy, fog ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:45:39 EDT From: Riphug@aol.com Subject: Re: advance MW via CDNOW I feel so stupid! I pre-ordered MWABT from one of the internet music sites, but now I can't remember which one! I was hoping it would arrive in Tuesday's mail, but it wasn't there. Oh, well......at least I've been able to listen to it on tape for about a month now -- thanks to a fellow ectophile . I think it's going to be my favorite Happy album! Jill :D off to wade through her *CDs ordered online* file ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:03:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Colford Subject: Re: grrr. On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Jeffrey C. Burka wrote: > Well, I must say, it's not pleasant to see the posts from people > who are having a terrible time finding MWABT. I feel incredibly For Boston area ectophiles, HMV in Cambridge (who I hate to patronize) had about a dozen MWABT in the Happy Rhodes section, as well as at least one copy of her ENITRE BACKLIST (and more than one of a couple!) This after trying Tower Records and Newbury Comics first. I did buy one even though I have 2 on the way from CDNOW which I will give as gifts. > Several people have commented "I was told they had it in a box in the > back, but weren't sure where." Way back when, when I worked This is what I was told at Tower as well. They had 4 copies listed as received, but they could be found nowhere on the floor. I was the manager of a Strawberries Records many years ago, and even if a new release wasn't shelved yet, we could always get it for someone! As for the CD itself, pure bliss... (Knee-jerk favorite after first listen... "Serenading Genius." Just lovely. By the way, I also picked up the new Liz Phair, but haven't been able to pry Happy out of the CD player yet. Michael n.p. Hmmm, to mimic Jeff, *duh*! - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Colford | Reading Public Library Head of Technical Services | Reading, Massachusetts colford@noblenet.org | *North of Boston Library Exchange* - -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 08:16:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Kim Justice Subject: Re: Anybody for #ecto? On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Jeff Wasilko wrote: > On Tue, Aug 11, 1998 at 08:26:40PM -0500, Xenu's Sister wrote: > > Tuesday night 8:26pm Central Standard Time > > > > I'm on IRC #ecto for the first tiime in ages. I'm also > > listening to MWABT. I'm on EFnet, but also hooked up > > to Undernet in case someone showed up there. > > Come on folks, jump in! There's already 3 of us! I'm a day late and a dollar short, consarnit! That channel useta be a lot of fun 3 or 4 years ago... kj - -- justicek@edge.net (Kim Justice) http://edge.edge.net/~justicek You misspelled "uvula". -- Daria ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:26:37 -0400 From: "Tom Ditto" Subject: Back to the Garden Hard to believe I'm the only Ectophile skipping off to Bethel. Who would miss Ms. Mitchell singing "Back to the Garden" right in Yasgur's pasture? "Paint Starry Night, Joni ! " say I. She is still star stuff after all these years. Actually, I'm not quite alone among the Ecto. Word's just in that KB will be in the mixing van. He reports the Stevie Nicks mix begins with 42 mikes. So, at least for you slackers, there's going to be one hell of a CD. This is not your average event. Lou Reed and Joni skipped the original. They're going to show us what Woodstock missed. This time, attendance is limited to 30,000. http://www.dayinthegarden.com/welcome.html This is one web site that won't balk you at the door. Tom ditto@taconic.net "Do you copy? Over" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:41:57 -0400 From: Jeff Wasilko Subject: Re: advance MW via CDNOW On Wed, Aug 12, 1998 at 08:38:23AM -0400, Foghorn J Fornorn wrote: > My advance order of MWABT, placed thru CDNOW in late July, ship > confirmed last Friday, arrived Tuesday. Much to my surprise it was one > of those marked For Promo Use only. Were all the advances filled that > way? Nope. Mine is a regular CD (and I got it Monday as a pre-order). You might want to drop CDNOW and Sampson a note, since it's possible that Happy didn't get any $$ from the sale of your CD. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:44:56 EDT From: Riphug@aol.com Subject: Re: Back to the Garden In a message dated 8/12/98 9:29:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ditto@taconic.net writes: << "Paint Starry Night, Joni ! " say I. She is still star stuff after all these years. >> Speaking of Joni........I had heard something about a new album from her as well as a tribute album in her honor. Does anyone know the status of these two projects? Jill :D *share the music!* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:11:05 -0700 From: "C. K. Coney" Subject: Re: MWABT in Burlington, MA/Marketing tips for samson Angelos Kyrlidis wrote: > My suggestion to the Samson crew is to follow the Jewel/Rammstein/Marcy > Playground marketing approach. Drop the retail price to $10.99 or less, > start a promotion around MWABT, get it on the New Releases or featured > artists racks, and wait for the tour. Get people to notice the CD and > spread the word. Then when the masses start buying, recover the costs > by charging full price. I think this is a great idea, and I also agree with whomever posted with suggested improvements to Samson's website. But my question is this: is there a person or dept. at Samson that is monitoring this ecto list? If we don't know for sure, would it be a good idea to cc: such helpful suggestion messages to a Samson email addy? Or would this seem pushy and be detrimental to Happy's relationship with them? Being such a new label/venture, one would think they'd welcome feedback, but I just don't know how much ego is involved there. Anyway, I'm so anxious to get the new release, which may come in today's mail from CD Now. I also intend to do some early Xmas shopping & make the rounds to Borders to see if they have it, and tonite when I go into Atlanta to see Alpha Blondy I'm gonna hit the big Tower Records that has some of Happy's other stuff. I can't wait to hear this record!!! Have a great day! Carol n.p. Sully, "I Have Much to Report" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:21:21 -0700 From: "C. K. Coney" Subject: Re: MWABT Stuart Myerburg wrote: > I have to echo a couple of other people's complaints about trying to hunt > down Happy's latest. I anxiously visited 3 record stores during lunch > today, and there was no sign of _MWABT_ anywhere. Finally, I had the > employees hunt it down at Tower. At first, they were totally befuddled > when I asked for Happy Rhodes. They wanted to know what kind of music it > was (try explaining that!) and said they didn't think they carried her. > Eventually, they found it in the back (!) since they hadn't even bothered > to display it. In fact, the divider for Happy in the Rs which was there a > couple of months ago had completely disappeared. Very frustrating. Hi, Stuart, I see you have an Emory email addy so you must have hit the same Tower I'm going to tonite in Atlanta. I'll request it as well, if I don't see it displayed. But just a gentle suggestion to folks who (like me) tend to get impatient when our beloved artists are not displayed: the folks who work at the record stores get boxes & boxes of "product" & it doesn't all make it to the shelves the day of release. (Not to mention the workers mostly get minimum or near minimum wage.) The lesser known artists unfortunately have to wait till last to be displayed, because these stores want to put lots of "product" out there by artists with high mainstream recognition, the Madonnas and Mariahs of the world (with the goal to "move product"). I think it would be a good idea for folks to get on the phone in their towns, even if they have the cd already, and call these stores to see if they have Happy's new release. That gets her name into the store's "collective heart", then when that box is ripped open, they'll say "ah-ha, so *this* is Happy Rhodes"...and hopefully put it on a nice new release display, or at least in the R cubicle with a nice place card. Just a hint from someone who's worked in that part of the retail world. Carol ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:46:00 -0400 From: Michael Matthews Subject: MWABT hunting (I think that comment about Elmer Fudd is quite apropos) After a really lousy day of doing battle with Windows NT (gotta love it when you have to delete some Windows sofware to make things work, but it won't let you delete that software...), I was *SO* looking forward to listening to MWABT on the way home. Stopped by the Tyson's Corner Tower Records. They had one Happy CD, not the new one. The bright attention-getting Pulse review of MWABT was there. I asked someone where it was. They looked. And looked. And looked. And finally said it was probably in the back, in a box, not sure which one, try back later. (Similar story, eh?) On a whim, I swung by two Waxie Maxie's (one in Sterling, VA; one by my townhouse in Leesburg, VA). The one in Sterling was helpful but it took them a while to realize I wanted Happy Rhodes, not Abbey Road. They didn't have any, but could special order. (I was getting so depressed by this time, I didn't ask anyone at the Leesburg store - they didn't have it, enough said). Then I did battle with my cable modem provider, through "ugprades" that were supposed to take 2 hours, which took sometime around 20, and a chopped fiber or two which caused the network to be exceptionally unreliable. I did manage to click fast enough to get the order through to order MWABT from CDNow (and a few others). Sigh. So I have to wait until Friday (or perhaps Monday; will be away this weekend) to . Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:57:13 -0700 From: "Larry S. Greenfield" Subject: Re: MWABT hunting What a theme! Powerless Tower records. I, too, went into Tower, on Sunset in Hollywood (CA), to be met with a similar tale. A few Happy discs in the bin, nothing in the overstock below. Went to the "help" desk; the crunchy hollywierdan couldn't find "any" Happy discs (I had one in my hands to show him). "You mean that's the performer's NAME, man? Sheesh, I thought that was the name of the BAND!" Finally found that the computers showed they had 10 in stock. "Allowed" me to go through 30 unpacked boxes to try to find it. No Luck. He couldn't (or wouldn't) find it "in the back." "Sorry, m'man." Is this the new Tower m.o.? They've got 'em, but can't find 'em? Great. Seeya! - -=-Larry-=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 98 13:15:42 EDT From: ken@engr.st.3com.com (Ken Descoteaux) Subject: Re: MWABT hunting Larry spoke: > Luck. He couldn't (or wouldn't) find it "in the back." "Sorry, m'man." > Is this the new Tower m.o.? They've got 'em, but can't find 'em? I see money walking out the door... and again... and again... Even worse its a SALE in HAND being lost... Tower Records massive square footage would seem to be rather useless in the battle for market share if they let the sure sales (the fan base who've been counting down the minutes to the release date) walk away unsatisfied. Why bother receiving inventory in time to have it displayed for the announced date if you don't bother to display it? Bets on how long before stores have kiosks where you can (without "assistance") track down inventory and determine what shelf it's on? Market forces would seem to require it! I can't count the number of times I've gone into a store to buy 1 thing which should take scant minutes, yet I've spent 30 minutes of valuable time hunting the stupid thing down. I always seem to want something small and miscellaneous that's in the fourth aisle I think about searching. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:29:07 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: advance MW via CDNOW Fog wrote: >My advance order of MWABT, placed thru CDNOW in late July, ship >confirmed last Friday, arrived Tuesday. Much to my surprise it was one >of those marked For Promo Use only. Were all the advances filled that >way? Not mine--I did an advance order through CD NOW Friday I think--after Carol told us about the sale, anyway. It's a regular, non-promo disc. Damn it's good. Thanks everyone for the praise about The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music. And thanks again to Damon for all his work on the new version of the Guide and the old, too. And again to Jeff for all the resources the Guide hogs. And also, especially, to all of you who have put files together for the Guide. I hope I include everyone here: Andrew, Mitch, Vickie, Yngve, Art, Brian, Philip, Neal, Barbara, Marisa, Jens, Jeff, Juha, Marion, Meth, Mark, Steve, Sherlyn, and woj, and to the people who've promised to work on the Guide in the future. And especially all of you who have allowed us to quote your comments in the Guide! It's only through cooperation that a project this big can happen. Many new files will be added to the Guide in a few days (basically as soon as I'm sure I can do it without messing _everything_ up), including, FINALLY, the long-promised Sarah McLachlan file! I also want to get the MWABT page up asap. Welcome, Mark, and other people new to the list, and to the lurkers out there! - --Neile n.p. MWABT, of course n.r. Anne Bishop, _Daughter of the Blood_ - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ..... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ..... neile@sff.net The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music .... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:53:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Stuart Myerburg Subject: Re: MWABT On Wed, 12 Aug 1998, C. K. Coney wrote: > I see you have an Emory email addy so you must have hit the same Tower > I'm going to tonite in Atlanta. I'll request it as well, if I don't see > it displayed. Yeah, it was the Tower in Atlanta right next to Lenox Square. They seem to have slowly erased Happy from their shelves. They used to have a section for her and had most of her albums in stock. Now, they don't even have a divider (or at least they didn't as of yesterday). Maybe, like you said, enough requests for Happy will prompt them to at least recognize the name and not keep her CDs stashed away in boxes. Stuart _________________________________________________________ Stuart Myerburg Information Services, Rollins School of Public Health http://userwww.service.emory.edu/~stuart _________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:56:38 -0500 (EST) From: 00jnweiser@bsuvc.bsu.edu Subject: *Really* evil/anti Lilith/Sarah article up on the web... Get prepared to get pissed at Judith Fitzgerald all over again. There's an article on the web which is a feature of the magazine "Girlfriends" (is this just an online thing), which is, in my opinion, not only poorly written and in poor taste, but also bashes Sarah and Lilith Fair in a big way. Not ONLY that, but they spelled Sarah's name "Sara" every time they mentioned it-- no one could find a CD to double check that? Or a website? That's only one of the things that makes the article even less credible. Judith Fitzgerald is quoted several times (one more thing that takes away credibility for them, imho), who *knows* if what she's saying is true. I'm not posting this to start a flame war--but there's a feedback thing there, and I'd hope that people here will respond to their article with your thoughts and comments about this article. Not that it will do much good since it's already out there, but whatever. I can understand looking at Lilith Fair objectively and being mad at certain issues surrounding it, but this goes way beyond that. http://www.gfriends.com/feature.html jessica n. weiser / 00jnweiser@bsuvc.bsu.edu / http://adam.nettfriends.com/Jess "i'm stained all through my insides" - e.g. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:04:19 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: Back to the Garden Riphug@aol.com wrote: >Speaking of Joni........I had heard something about a new album from her as >well as a tribute album in her honor. Does anyone know the status of these >two projects? I don't know about a new one, but the Canadian _Back to the Garden_ tribute is about the only tribute album that I find worth listening to (with the possible exception of _Sweet Relief_. It's really lovely--has Sara Craig and Martha + the Muffins, and Laura Hubert of the Leslie Spit Treeo. I think the company that made it is defunct, but it should be findable in used shops in Canada. A&B Sound doesn't list it. Damn. - --Neile - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ..... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ..... neile@sff.net The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music .... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:04:09 -0700 (PDT) From: James Gurley Subject: Re: MWABT >Happy in Tower We in Seattle are pretty lucky. A close friend of ours (me and Neile Graham) found it right away yesterday afternoon at the local Tower. And they've always stocked her. Here's hoping that when she tours she makes it to Seattle! - --Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:04:51 -0500 (EST) From: 00jnweiser@bsuvc.bsu.edu Subject: One more comment on the anti-Lilith article One more thing about that article: I would take everything they say with a *huge* grain of salt. They have their "facts" wrong in a number of places... I just sent a comment (staff@gfriends.com) about the article and the misspelling of Sarah's name, etc. I guess it's not all that important, cause how many people really read this online magazine? It seems like just an angry diatribe from one of their staff writers, anyway. Bleah. jessica n. weiser / 00jnweiser@bsuvc.bsu.edu / http://adam.nettfriends.com/Jess "i'm stained all through my insides" - e.g. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:32:52 +0000 From: Silme@ix.netcom.com Subject: Re: MWABT I couldn't get to the cd store yesterday, but I *just* picked it up at Albums in Boulder, along with the new Sinead Lohan. Ellen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:11:10 -0700 (PDT) From: charley darbo Subject: Re: Drums?? - --Chris Stack writes: "Over the last few years I have noticed a some changes in my musical tastes (who hasn't?)...." Well I, for one, haven’t noticed any changes in your musical tastes, Chris. "...One thing that is becoming constant is that if an artists arrangements contain much use of the standard rock drum kit, it usually leaves me cold. It doesn't matter if is skillfully played or not, I have come to feel that it is an ill-conceived instrument. While guitarists, keyboardists and most other musicians are progressing, using new sounds, most (I know, not all) drummers are using the same old sounds Buddy Holly's drummer wore out...." By and large I’d agree with you. But I have to say I felt more like that in the early eighties, when I was obsessively listening to _The_Dreaming_, _Security_, _English_Settlement_, and _Lone_Rhino_--and very little else. The clean, dark voice of the drums on those albums conditioned me for a long time nearly to cringe at the sound of conventional, Phil-Collinsy drumming. "...There are some people who use them well, generally any of the drummers playing with Peter Gabriel and some others. My dislike tends to be proportional to the amount of cymbals used. Nothing trashes up an arrangement like a good ride cymbal. They take up way too much bandwidth for the amount of interest they provide...." Again, I agree with you. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve started to like a song and then become disappointed when the obligatory, unoriginal cymbals come into the mix. For me, for example, the abysmal horribility of the drumming on _Gotta_Get_Over_Greta_ irredeemably ruined that album for me. But more and more, I’m finding artists who are using the conventions of straight-ahead, boy-band rocknroll with more awareness and artistry. Artists like Jeff Buckley, whose drummer uses a standard drum kit, but whose music has room for well played conventional drums in its kind of hero-worshipping celebration of operatic rocknroll. And Spiritualized, whose use of the arena-rock conventions has a more slyly ironic curve to it, and whose over-the-top use of drumkits in some of their songs is a kind of glorious tribute to the prog dinosaurs of ages past. "...Don't take all this to mean that I don't like percussion...." On the contrary. I take it to mean that you love percussion enough to pay close attention to it and give it a great deal of thought. And to defend it against dilettantes and charlatans. "...I love it. Taiko drums, Congas, Talking Drums, Marimbas, Drum Machines (as long as they don't sound too much like a drum kit), mutant synthetic percussion sounds....the more, the merrier...." Me too: the drum is almost always the heart of an artist’s song for me. And I love heavy African-style drumming; I have several discs of it and of the Kodo drummers of Japan. "...In my world, the perfect use of percussion occured on the Dead Can Dance ‘SpiritChaser’ CD. Others good ones are Peter Gabriel's ‘Passion’..." Yes yes yes. "...or Vas's "Sunyatta" (REALLY, REALLY, GOOD,)...." Don’t know it, but now I’ll look for it. I’ll try to post later with a list of my own drumming pantheon. - --charley _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:16:53 -0700 (PDT) From: charley darbo Subject: Re: Many Worlds Are Heard Tonight - ---Robert Lovejoy wrote: > Jorn is MWABT, but more so Say it ain't so! Chills scamper up and down my spine like wet, giggling gerbils. Still, it's funny to think of Jorn as merely wascally, rather than the focal point of all the universe's stupidity and evil. - --charley _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:07:58 -0700 (PDT) From: charley darbo Subject: Re: *Really* evil/anti Lilith/Sarah article up on the web... I went to the site, printed out the article, and read the whole thing at lunch today. Personally, except for one thing, I agree with the article 100%. The part I had a problem with was the author's minimizing of The Case of the Suicidal Stalker. It's also interesting that, though she does indeed misspell "Sarah" throughout, she refers to a book title that includes the properly spelled name, and doesn't seem to've noticed the discrepancy. But sloppy editing does not disqualify a good writer's work, in my opinion: as a sometime editor, I can testify that some of the best writers need some of the closest editorial scrutiny. Anyway. - --Charley _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 12:46:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve VanDevender Subject: MWABT As luck would have it, the record store across the street from me had MWABT in stock yesterday. It actually wasn't out on the shelves when I stopped by in the early afternoon (and I checked the Rs and the Hs to be sure, although that meant having to touch an icky Hanson CD), but when I asked at the desk, first one employee knew how to spell Rhodes (always a good sign), another one quickly found it was in stock, and a third announced it was in the heap of CDs that she had been about to put in the display cases. The store is an independent that is probably the closest music store to the University campus here, so it didn't surprise me that they're more on the ball than, say, Tower. Despite having listened through the album quite a few times already, it's really great to have my own copy after all these months. And now I can actually talk about it! Woo hoo! (Although my initial silence was really only self-imposed.) So far the tracks I can't resist looping over are "100 Years", "If Wishes Were Horses, How Beggars Would Ride", and "Tragic". "Ra Is a Busy God", "Proof", and "Winter" are rapidly growing on me. And I like the rest, although they haven't of commanded my attention the way these other songs do. "100 Years" is such a great opening track, too -- to have something that wonderful to draw me into the album is a real treat. (And as a system administrator by trade, the poignancy of song about a computer wondering where its humans went is especially appealing to me.) It's actually quite interesting to me how there are such apparent science fiction themes in "100 Years" and "Roy". And I could swear "Tragic" is alluding to something literary, but I can't figure out what. I'm also beginning to wonder whether I am manifesting a particularly odd kind of Ectosynchronicity. It's twice now in recent memory that I've bought an album I've been waiting long and hard for on its release day, and then that evening had one of the particularly critical computers I have to maintain crash on me. It happened last year when I got Ben Folds Five's _Whatever and Ever Amen_, and it happened yesterday when I got _Many Worlds Are Born Tonight_. Perhaps I should play "100 Years" for this computer and give it something to think about . . . ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:01:54 -0500 (EST) From: 00jnweiser@bsuvc.bsu.edu Subject: Re: *Really* evil/anti Lilith/Sarah article up on the web... [I hope the author of this is on Ecto, d'oh] Charley writes: >I went to the site, printed out the article, and read the whole thing >at lunch today. > Personally, except for one thing, I agree with the article 100%. You do? Wow, can I ask why? > The part I had a problem with was the author's minimizing of The >Case of the Suicidal Stalker. Yeah, I kinda had a problem with that too. Also, I don't know who got their facts wrong, but one is that the case is *not* open in the Vancouver police dept--Uwe lived in *Ottowa*(sp). > But sloppy editing does not disqualify a good writer's work, in my >opinion: as a sometime editor, I can testify that some of the best >writers need some of the closest editorial scrutiny. Hmm... I'm a journalism student here so I guess I can kind of comment. Personally I think that good writers who do their research and get sources, etc., wouldn't make a copy mistake like the misspelling of Sarah's name, you know? Like, when I research a story I always do background info on whoever/ whatever I'm writing it on, and it seems that if this person had done their work looking for Sarah info (because--how can you attack her unless you know quite a bit about her, the reasons behind Lilith, etc.?) they would've seen the name spelled that way dozens of times. Also, I don't understand the connection exactly between the Michigan Womyn's Festival and Lilith Fair. In my opinion they aren't really comparable because the Michigan Festival, though it's been around a long time, seems to be on a much smaller scale (not in attendance or anything, it's just not a *touring* festival like Lilith, etc.) than Lilith Fair. . . I think it's almost silly that people continue to bitch about it--if you're going to piss and moan and disagree with the way it's run, *do something*, you know? Also, if you don't agree with it, don't go and go to the Michican festival instead. I don't know, I think people make a much bigger/complex deal out of this than it needs to be...it's a music festival... As Sarah said, "I can't please everybody, and if I did I wouldn't be pleasing myself." jessica n. weiser / 00jnweiser@bsuvc.bsu.edu / http://adam.nettfriends.com/Jess "i'm stained all through my insides" - e.g. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:17:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Casadonte Subject: HR Back Catalog - found some! Hi All, While picking up MWABT (just popped it in!) I found almost all of her previous CDs. There were at least 5 copies of MWABT, and one each of: Rhode I (my favorite), Rhodes II, Ecto, Rearmament, RhodeSongs. There were two or three copies of BTC. I think I saw one copy of each of the following, but I can't remember: The Keep, Warpaint. Did I miss any? Oh yeah, this was at the Bryn Mawr, PA Borders Books & Music, 610-527-1500. If you're out of the area and they won't ship, let me know and I'll mail em to you at cost. First come, first served! Regards, joe joc@netaxs.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Llama Fresh Farms => http://www.netaxs.com/~joc Gay Media Resource List => http://www.netaxs.com/~joc/gaymedia.html Perl for Win32 => http://www.netaxs.com/~joc/perlwin32.html PerlRing Homepage => http://www.netaxs.com/~joc/perlring.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Live Free, that's the message! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:16:17 -0500 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: Re: *Really* evil/anti Lilith/Sarah article up on the web... At 12:07 PM 8/12/98 -0700, charley darbo wrote: >I went to the site, printed out the article, and read the whole thing >at lunch today. > Personally, except for one thing, I agree with the article 100%. I'm no fan of Lilith Fair, but this article is over the top. My biggest gripe is that people promoting these "womyn's" (spit) music festivals should hardly be calling Lilith "boring" (which it is) because those festivals are the *worst* about being boring and white bread and easy-listening and mind-numbingly banal. Occasionally they get good acts (my god, Jane Siberry played Michigan!) but that's usually a fluke. I want to know what stage L7, Bikini Kill, Geraldine Fibbers and Queen Latifah are playing on at the next Michigan Womyn's Music Festival. What? Acts like that aren't invited or welcome? Right. This article is sour grapes with some good points lost in a sea of hypocrisy and bullshit. Vickie DIVX = GREED - Boycott Circuit City! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:32:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "J." Wermont Subject: girlfriends > One more thing about that article: I would take everything they > say with a *huge* grain of salt. They have their "facts" wrong > in a number of places... I just sent a comment (staff@gfriends.com) > about the article and the misspelling of Sarah's name, etc. I > guess it's not all that important, cause how many people really > read this online magazine? It seems like just an angry diatribe > from one of their staff writers, anyway. Bleah. > > jessica n. weiser / 00jnweiser@bsuvc.bsu.edu / http://adam.nettfriends.com/Jess FYI - Girlfriends isn't just an online magazine. It's a fairly glossy and popular lesbian magazine. You can find it on many newstands and in bookstores all over the place. At least in the Bay Area. :) I don't read it much - it's a little *too* glossy for my tastes. But I'll take a look at this article. Joyce ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:20:06 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Drums?? charley darbo wrote: > > --Chris Stack writes: > "...or Vas's "Sunyatta" (REALLY, REALLY, GOOD,)...." > > Don’t know it, but now I’ll look for it. I’ll try to post later with > a list of my own drumming pantheon. Another strong vote for it, highly recommended for Dead Can Dance fans, though a touch lighter and more newagey. I vaguely recall having seen an inexpensive copy at Reckless when I played Supermarket Sweep in Chicago :-) - -- - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:59:10 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Joseph S. Zitt wrote: > > And upon reading this, I figured the hell with waiting until the end of > the day, and ran across the street to Borders -- where they said that they > had it somewhere in the back but couldn't find it. And after work I stopped by there again and again they couldn't find it -- until, just I was heading out the door, one of the workers came barreling up the stairs from the music department, frantically waving the CD at me. Oh, wow... I'll hold off further comment until I catch up on the rest of 59 (!) messages waiting in my Ecto folder from today. Yow. - -- - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 15:56:07 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Drums?? Chris Stack wrote: > There are some people who use them well, generally any of the drummers > playing with Peter Gabriel and some others. My dislike tends to be > proportional to the amount of cymbals used. Nothing trashes up an > arrangement like a good ride cymbal. They take up way too much bandwidth > for the amount of interest they provide. It's for just this reason that in the 80's King Crimson, Bill Bruford left off the ride cymbal. I vaguely recall that the parameter was laid down by Fripp, but could be wrong. The trendsetter for this sound was the third Peter Gabriel solo album (with Games without Frontiers), though, if I recall, some of the Bowie/Eno albums from a few years earlier did this. - -- - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:11:42 -0400 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: grrr. Jeffrey C. Burka wrote: > Several people have commented "I was told they had it in a box in the > back, but weren't sure where." Way back when, when I worked > at an (ugh) Sam Goody, I don't remember *ever* having problems > keeping all of the incoming stock put out on time (shipments > came on thursdays and everything made it to the shelves that > day; new releases appeared on their tuesday street dates...) > > So is this just a lot of gross incompetence? What I was told at Borders Gaithersburg is that different people stock different sections, and that I had hit the weird circumstance that both their rock people were out that day, and the two people that I had asked about it and couldn't find it were new hires who didn't yet know where to look. To the store's credit, they not only have a properly alphabetized card for Happy, but it's right at the front of the bin, behind copies of RhodeSongs, Warpaint, and BtC. But yeah, Samson may have something to learn about marketing. But at least they have lots and lots of people online offering friendly advice :-) n.p. The silence in which the just completed playing of MWABT is echoing in my head. - -- - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V4 #268 **************************