From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V4 #265 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, August 11 1998 Volume 04 : Number 265 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: pre-order of MWABT arrived early [just plain damon ] Re: An editorial from AOL Today's "Entertainment Asylum" ["J." Wermont ] Re: Rearmament ["Tim" ] Re: Rearmament and stuff ["Tim" ] Re: Rearmament [JavaHo@aol.com] Re: Rearmament and stuff ["Jeffrey C. Burka" ] Re: An editorial from AOL Today's "Entertainment Asylum" ["C. K. Coney" <] Re: Cats (was Missing Happy lyrics?) ["C. K. Coney" ] Re: ?? about 30 Hour Famine [Riphug@aol.com] Another another opinion on Dan Bern ["Owen L. Magee" ] Re: Samson cited [ken@engr.st.3com.com (Ken Descoteaux)] I Am A Legend (in my own mind) :-) ["Xenu's Sister" ] Re: Samson cited ["Tom Ditto" ] Re: I Am A Legend (in my own mind) :-) ["jeffrey c. burka" ] Re: Rearmament and the "Killer Es" [Greg Jumper ] Boy George article [Laura Clifford ] Re: Rearmament and stuff [Steve VanDevender ["jeffrey c. burka" ] Re: ["Joseph S. Zitt" ] Re: Rearmament and stuff ["C. K. Coney" ] O Happy Day! [Paul Blair ] Topeka Tales of Fudd [kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 01:59:33 -0700 From: just plain damon Subject: Re: pre-order of MWABT arrived early jeff w said: >I pre-ordered MWABT from CD-NOW since I've had pretty bad luck >finding Happy in Boston in the past, and I got confirmation that >it was mailed on Friday (very cool). whoa, cool - it's not supposed to be actually released until september, though, i thought? seems like that release date is not very meaningful!! i think i'm going to go order it, then, along with they might be giants' new live album and maybe their retrospective "then: the early years" - i was thinking of doing that the other day, but since i thought i'd be moving back to vancouver before i got the delivery, it seemed a little awkward... in light of this, why not? :) btw, thanks for the positive comments on the new guide, jeff, andrew, and those who commented on the beta. sure, make me blush :) it's certainly a worthy project to put some time and effort into, and we have neile to thank for that! - -damon Damon Harper des Jumeaux _/\_ "I'm Canadian, actually. damon@pobox.com __\ /__ That's like an American, Les Jums: jumeaux@pobox.com \ / but without the gun." http://pobox.com/~jumeaux/ |/||\| - Kids in the Hall ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:38:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "J." Wermont Subject: Re: An editorial from AOL Today's "Entertainment Asylum" > Saying that there always was women in rock and that theres no need for all > this attention now is paramount to saying that George Carver Washington was a > successful black and we don't need to showcase blacks now. The man is > insulting and in my opinion an idiot in his approach. Maybe he's playing > devils advocate > ....................fred I agree with this. As long as radio stations have rules such as "no two female artists back-to-back" there's a need for all this attention. Sure, there have always been women in rock, but not very *many*. And even now, with so many successful women in music, most radio stations still play mostly male artists. In the Bay Area, there's only one pop station I know of that devotes a reasonable amount of air time to female - many of them ecto-ish - artists (Alice 97.3 - an annoying station with a lot of good music :)). Female musicians still have a long way to go to be equal with male musicians. So I think all the publicity is just great! Joyce ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 06:05:23 -0400 From: Ted & Debbie Subject: acidic puns I'll have to catch Liz on Letterman tomorrow night. I'd do anything for an ascorbic snack. Scorby Scorby Dooo! That Ted guy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:51:34 +0000 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: Rearmament - ---------- >From: "C. K. Coney" >To: Tim >Subject: Re: Rearmament >Date: Sun, Aug 9, 1998, 4:05 PM > >I *love* Rearmament! "Because I Learn" is one of my very fave Happy trax. I completely agree. The first time I heard "Because I Learn" on Rhodesongs it blew me away more than any other song on the album. >I love Rearmament more than Warpaint. My "least fave" (if there is such a thing) >is Equipoise...let's say I play that one least of all. The only record I don't >have yet is Rhodes II. >But I intend to get it soon! Interesting. I haven't got Equipoise, but I really love I Say and Temporary and Eternal - mainly because the sound is so much better than anything else, and they're so beautifully ethereal, which made me think that I was going to really absolutely adore Equipoise. I take it the rest of the album isn't like that? Tim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 20:51:03 +0000 From: "Tim" Subject: Re: Rearmament and stuff - ---------- >From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" >To: ecto >Subject: Re: Rearmament and stuff >Date: Tue, Aug 11, 1998, 4:22 AM > >Heh. There are still a bunch of us who don't consider "Be Careful What >You Say" to be part of _Rearmament_; it's one of the Bartlett/Rhodes >demos from ectoSiG! Um, excuse me for being utterly ignorant, but what does the "SiG" stand for? >In fact, it *really* doesn't fit in with the rest of the album. Though >it's not nearly as bad as having "Look for the Child" after "To Be E. >Mortal" on _Ecto_. That used to be one of the most amazing endings >to an album, but now the mood is ruined by an the upbeat add-on. Actually if it werent for Look For The Child, and especially When The Rain Came Down, I wouldn't like Ecto nearly as much as I do. Those are two songs I consider absolute Happy classics, and significantly the only other Ecto song to get that from me is Poetic Justice, and maybe Don't Want To Hear It. Why? Because they're, well, kinetic. Although Ecto is a great album, it is very stiff and subdued for the most part, as if Happy had overdosed on Prozac, and while this has a great effect, I prefer Happy when her music has momentum. Rearmament's music was often just as stiff, but the complex harmonies held it together, while Warpaint has more sophisticated arrangements. Maybe its an example of my secret love for the mainstream, but for both Rearmament and Ecto, a small thrill runs through me when I hear the drums crash in for BCWYS and Look for the Child, and When The Rain Came Down may just be one of the best things Happy recorded - like Warpaint material with better vocals. Tim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:24:55 EDT From: JavaHo@aol.com Subject: Re: Rearmament Tim muses: << Interesting. I haven't got Equipoise, but I really love I Say and Temporary and Eternal - mainly because the sound is so much better than anything else, and they're so beautifully ethereal, which made me think that I was going to really absolutely adore Equipoise. I take it the rest of the album isn't like that? >> I *love* the songs that I love on Equipoise, but this is one album with a couple of songs I skip over. It is truly a gem, but it is different. "The Flight" and "Out Like A Lamb" are such interesting songs. I love them, but they are unlike Happy's other material. "Mother Sea" is subtle, and it sort of unfolded for me over time. If you are a KaTe fan, you will probably be very drawn to this one. To me, it's one of the most beautiful songs Happy has written. "Closer" is very powerful, but musically and lyrically. Do give this one a try. It spent a lot of time in my changer after I bought it. Enjoy...Java ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:48:31 -0400 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: Rearmament and stuff Tim wrote: > >Heh. There are still a bunch of us who don't consider "Be Careful What > >You Say" to be part of _Rearmament_; it's one of the Bartlett/Rhodes > >demos from ectoSiG! > > Um, excuse me for being utterly ignorant, but what does the "SiG" stand for? "Suspended in Gaffa" Once upon a time, there was a little-known DJ on a public radio station in Kansas City, who had a radio show that played only music by female artists, none of them mainstream, at least in the US. The radio show was Suspended in Gaffa, and the dj was Vickie Mapes. I'm not positive that this is the first place Happy got actual air time, but it had to be close. SiG eventually went off the air in '90 (with a 6 hour marathon show, which Vickie taped and then sent out on a tape-tree set up on rec.music.gaffa; the tape-tree blew up after just a few steps, but by some miracle, I was near the top and got copies of the 4 90 minute tapes, which included about 75 minutes of music from Happy's 1st4). Vickie eventually moved to Chicago and temporarily revived SiG on a radio station (up in Evanston, wasn't it?). Anyway, one her side projects back in...had to be '91... was a straight- to-tape "radio show" featuring the radio interview she'd done with Happy back in Kansas City. The tape also featured 5 then-unreleased tracks. 4 were demos that Happy and Kevin had done while they toyed with the idea of working as a duo, Bartlett/Rhodes. "Be Careful What You Say" was one of those 4 tracks. The tape also featured "When the Rain Came Down," which Happy basically donated to Vickie specifically for the "Suspended in Ecto" tape, as a gift to the early ectophiles. (that's why I think it was '91; it was a while before the CD release of _Ecto_ in 5/92, when WtRCD was oficially released). Anyway, the tape was something else for those of us who received it. Vickie packaged each one with a keychain with a photo of Happy working in her studio, and the tapes themselves had a piece of blue felt in the case. jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:55:01 -0700 From: "C. K. Coney" Subject: Re: An editorial from AOL Today's "Entertainment Asylum" FAMarcus@aol.com wrote: > Saying that there always was women in rock and that theres no need for all > this attention now is paramount to saying that George Carver Washington was a > successful black and we don't need to showcase blacks now. Clearly we need to showcase the achievements of African-Americans, if folks are still getting *this* man's name wrong after all these years. His name was George Washington Carver. Carol P.S. If you want to showcase Asian females in rock, however, names can go either way 'cause in Hong Kong, for example, it is the last name that goes first. So, lovely Faye Wong goes by Wong Faye (or Fei). :-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:03:22 -0700 From: "C. K. Coney" Subject: Re: Cats (was Missing Happy lyrics?) Xenu's Sister wrote: > At 01:36 PM 8/10/98 -0700, C. K. Coney wrote: > > (It's good to see you back!) > > >Xenu's Sister wrote: > > ps, something I'm sure would amuse Happy to no end, but > that caused me to blow steam....At some point in the last > couple of years, one of our cats (I don't know which one, > luckily) peed on my HTR box. Lots of things were ruined, > and what wasn't ruined (none of the RW/TIs were in the > line of fire) will always have a kitty odor. I suppose it's > fitting, in a weird sort of way. Oh, that *is* amusing! As my vet would say when his customers ask him why their cats do such and such (sit & stare at the wall for a half hour, run into the sliding glass door chasing whatever...fill in the blank)...Dr. Farris replies: "They're cats. They're weird." Hmm, time for shameless plug. For *another* viewpoint, from the cats' perspective, email me at ckconey@catgoddess.com for a website you can visit to learn *your* place in the universe. On second thought, here's the url now: www.catgoddess.com Sorry to "stray" off topic a bit! Carol ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:52:29 EDT From: Riphug@aol.com Subject: Re: ?? about 30 Hour Famine Jamie, I hope you don't mind, but I figured that other people might also be interested in the track listing for 30 Hour Famine, which I just received in the mail from Nettwerk yesterday: 1. The Tragically Hip - Emergency (with Sarah McLachlan) 2. Treble Charger - Fade 3. Ron Sexsmith - Almost Always 4. Jann Arden - Time For Mercy 5. Odds - Out Come Stars 6. Moist - Leave It Alone 7. Sarah McLachlan - Ice 8. Jim Cuddy (from Blue Rodeo) - Everybody Cries 9. Chantal Kreviazuk - Believer 10. 54-40 - Cheer Up Peru 11. Sloan - Autobiography 12. Philosopher Kings - Work 13. Hayden - To Go Wrong 14. Cowboy Junkies - Sad to See the Season Go 15. Tara MacLean - Holy Tears 16. Tom Cochrane - Boy Inside the Man I haven't listened to the disc yet, but with that track listing it's *got* to be good! It's available through the Nettwerk website at www.nettwerk.com. Jill :D ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 08:39:39 -0500 From: "Owen L. Magee" Subject: Another another opinion on Dan Bern meth wrote: > It's utterly beyond me why anyone was there to see Dan Bern. I sat > through his set, and I have to say that if there is a hell, there's only > one radio station and it's on the P.A. system and you can't turn it off, > and all it plays is Dan Bern songs, REALLY REALLY LOUD. Words cannot > express just how horrible those 45 minutes were. I just sat there > thinking "surely the next song is going to be better" and it never > happened. Ugh. I've been a (mostly) lurker on Ecto for...hmmm...I guess over four years now. Over the years, Ecto has been a great musical resource. But every once in a while, something like this comes along that I flatly disagree with. Granted, I can see how Dan Bern can elicit such reactions. After I bought his first album (after hearing a bit from a friend), I teetered on the edge of hating Dan Bern. First, I had to get over how much he sounded like Bob Dylan. Don't get me wrong, Bob Dylan's voice doesn't bother me (much), I just couldn't shake the feeling that Dan Bern was mimicking him. And maybe he is, but I finally decided that I didn't care. After that, I just had to get over how perverse (sick, gross) some songs were, and finally I could admit to myself that I really liked him. I do know of at least 3 other people who listen to a lot of ectophilic music who also like Dan Bern, so the intersection of the two groups is perhaps not as small as one might expect. Dan Bern's association with Ecto artists (Ani DiFranco produced and played on his new album, _Fifty Eggs_, he toured with Ani and Dar Williams in Australia, Veda Hille is now opening for him, etc.) also suggests that he might appeal to some ectophiles. His tribute to female singer/songwriters, "Chick Singers", reads like a Who's Who of Ectophilic Artists. Of course, I don't expect anyone who currently reviles Dan Bern to change. I understand the sentiment. I think it's utterly impossible to hear Dan Bern and be indifferent--you'll either love him or hate him. But for anyone who thinks they might like irreverence taken to extremes, or a perverted, hilarious Bob Dylan, or lyrics like these: "The day that Elvis died it was like a mercy killing America breathed a sigh of relief" or "Everybody's waiting for the Messiah Jews are waiting Christians are waiting Also the Muslims Seems like everybody's waiting They've been waiting a _LONG_ time And I can just imagine How darned impatient Everybody must be getting I know how I hate to wait Like even for a bus or something An important phone call..." - --well, maybe you should try out Dan Bern. I'd recommend his first, eponymous album. Two of the first three songs on his new album are _really_ sick and perverted, and you should only attempt appreciation of them after appreciating the other album. Or at least skip the first three songs for a while if you must start with _Fifty Eggs_. You might also try reading Glenn McDonald's review of _Fifty Eggs_ on The War Against Silence at: http://www.furia.com/twas/twas0168.html#entry2 (Hmmm...I guess that's one more person to add to the intersection mentioned above :) . Sorry to be so long-winded...Have fun and such... Owen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:45:30 -0400 From: "Tom Ditto" Subject: Samson cited Since today was Happy's big release day, I thought it appropriate to check the record company's web site, and I'm issuing a summons. Your front door remains closed to those who don't have the requisite web tools. One has to ask, even if you can see it, what is so damn great about that animation? Happy's head comes in two pieces if you look at /home. What is this, a Terry Gilliam-Monty Python collage animation? Hot Links are still cold as death. Why put in a page that isn't used? I can list a few Happy sites that your visitors might want to see if you're short on links. No mention of the album launch. No surprise. Is there a doctor in the house? Rx some performance enhancers, please. Tom ditto@taconic.net "Do you copy? Over" cc: ecto@smoe.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 98 10:03:17 EDT From: ken@engr.st.3com.com (Ken Descoteaux) Subject: Re: Samson cited > Your front door remains closed to those who don't have the requisite web > tools. One has to ask, even if you can see it, what is so damn great about > that animation? That reminds me. I remember that someone tried to do a web search and see if Samson Music's pages came up for "Happy Rhodes", which it didn't. This month's issue of IEEE Internet Computing had an article on search engines which talks about the fact that if you want your pages to be indexed by search engines you'd better have MACHINE READABLE links. Graphic maps just don't cut it. So there's yet another reason why a commercial entity ought to have straightforward access to their pages. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:06:30 -0500 From: "Xenu's Sister" Subject: I Am A Legend (in my own mind) :-) At 07:48 AM 8/11/98 -0400, Jeffrey C. Burka wrote: (Have I told you lately how wonderful I think you are?) >Tim wrote: > >> >Heh. There are still a bunch of us who don't consider "Be Careful What >> >You Say" to be part of _Rearmament_; it's one of the Bartlett/Rhodes >> >demos from ectoSiG! >> >> Um, excuse me for being utterly ignorant, but what does the "SiG" stand for? > >"Suspended in Gaffa" > >Once upon a time, there was a little-known DJ on a public radio station >in Kansas City, who had a radio show that played only music by female >artists, none of them mainstream, at least in the US. The >radio show was Suspended in Gaffa, and the dj was Vickie Mapes. S'me. The show started in March 13, 1988 on KKFI, a 100,000 watt Community station. About the mainstream...I played what I wanted and mostly what I wanted to play was music that no one had heard before (at least not in Kansas City), but I'd throw in things that I thought were particularly wonderful, even if they had achieved a certain popularity. On my very first show, I played Kate, Jane, Victoria, Nina Hagen, Priscilla Bowman, Poison Girls, Judie Tzuke, Lene Lovich, Virginia Astley, Cocteau Twins, Siouxsie, Mari Wilson, kd (aaages before she was discovered by the masses), Stewart/Gaskin, Lonette McKee, Shelleyan Orphan, Carolyn Mas, Sylvia Woods, 10,000 Maniacs, Zella Jackson Price, the Bulgarian Chorus and...well, Connie Francis! >I'm not positive that this is the first place Happy got actual air >time, but it had to be close. Not anywhere near the first, but I was almost certainly the first to really get on a major Happy kick (which ended up doing a lot of good for her, if I do blushingly say so myself.) I became a besotted fan, and just wouldn't shut up about her. I had a radio audience and later, a newsgroup full of Kate fans to yak at about her music. I first played Happy on (checking my play lists) October 2, 1988. I played "Don't Want To Hear It" and "Would That I Could." I played Happy's music on almost every show after that, for the next 6 years. (I was on weekly) >SiG eventually went off the air in '90 (with a 6 hour marathon show, Nope, that was my last *live* show (June 16, 1990). After I moved to Chicago I taped the shows on reel-to-reel and sent them down to KC. That live show was amazing for me. I had permission to go on as long as I wanted, and I sure did. The entire last hour+ was nothing but Happy. I played 18 songs by her during the whole show. Not so easy when I had 4 cassettes (back in the olden days when there were no Happy CDs) and only one cassette deck. I was so tired near the end that when I put on the nearly worn-out Ecto cassette to play "Ode" I just let it play to the end. I said my goodbyes to all my wonderful listeners (those still awake at 4 am) while "To Be E. Mortal" was playing, and I cried. I was so sad because I knew that it would never be the same. It wasn't. Tape is so impersonal. >Vickie taped and then sent out on a tape-tree set up on rec.music.gaffa; >the tape-tree blew up after just a few steps, but by some miracle, >I was near the top and got copies of the 4 90 minute tapes, which >included about 75 minutes of music from Happy's 1st4). The radio folks had the advantage of being able to hear the music for themselves. It was harder to convince the people on gaffa to send away for some cassettes by someone with a funny name they'd never heard of and how dare anyone say she sounded like Kate anyway? That's why I let Larry Hernandez convince me to do the tape tree of that show. It did get "lost" (I grrrr in the general direction of the person who kept the tapes, wherever they may be) but I couldn't have lucked out any better by having Larry and you at the top of the tree. You two picked up the Happy orb and ran with it, letting the gaffians know that I wasn't just spouting hot air, that there really was substance to my raves about this Happy person. When Warpaint was released (on CD, which helped), you two are directly responsible for the path that led to the domino effect of people buying it, raving about it, prompting others to buy it, yadda yadda. Ok, so it turned into a flame war, but that did lead to Jessica starting Ecto, so it all worked out well, and here we all are, with Happy releasing her 10th album on this day. It's a wonderful day! >Vickie eventually moved to Chicago and temporarily revived SiG on a radio >station (up in Evanston, wasn't it?). WZRD in Chicago, out of North*eastern* University. I bluffed my way in, even though I wasn't a student. I challenged the program director after I had been listening for 5 hours and hadn't heard one female voice. I called and complained, and the dj played, of course, Siouxsie. (Siouxsie is a primo Goddess, to be sure, but it's just the kind of thing that I expected. A dj who knows nothing about female artists gets a call from someone who wants to hear one...scratches head...uh....uh....uh...-light bulb- I know! Siouxsie, she's a chick!) I talked to the PD and he told me to make a tape and bring it to the station. I did and he was there when I went. I gave it to him and he said (*not* having heard the tape yet) "How about Wednesdays, 7 to 8?" I said sure and SiG was the "girl show" for the next 4 years. (The loophole, which was finally closed in 1994, was that though I wasn't a student, the student djs could play anything they wanted, so since my show was taped on reel-to-reel, they played my show.) > >Anyway, one her side projects back in...had to be '91... was a straight- >to-tape "radio show" featuring the radio interview she'd done with >Happy back in Kansas City. The tape also featured 5 then-unreleased >tracks. 4 were demos that Happy and Kevin had done while they toyed >with the idea of working as a duo, Bartlett/Rhodes. "Be Careful What >You Say" was one of those 4 tracks. The tape also featured "When >the Rain Came Down," which Happy basically donated to Vickie specifically >for the "Suspended in Ecto" tape, as a gift to the early ectophiles. >(that's why I think it was '91; it was a while before the CD release >of _Ecto_ in 5/92, when WtRCD was oficially released). What a wonderful description...thank you! I had so much fun doing that "show" and consider it a highlight of my time on this list. (It was also one of the last great things I did before the depression squeezed all the life and light and personality out of me. sigh) This tape used to be available through Doug's Tape Dubbing Service, until the poor guy burned out :-( (HUGS to Doug, where ever he may be) >Anyway, the tape was something else for those of us who received it. (The check is in the mail) :-) >Vickie packaged each one with a keychain with a photo of Happy working >in her studio, and the tapes themselves had a piece of blue felt in >the case. It was my EctoSiG, "Suspended In Ecto" made especially for the Fuzzy Blue mailing list. I'm sure most people threw away the felt, because it did make closing the cassettes harder, but it seemed to work at the time. I'm glad you liked it. Nostalgia, wow. I've been up all night, working on the FAQ, and listening to Happy on headphones (random shuffle of all the albums) and for the last hour I've had Rearmament on constant repeat. I put it on meaning to jump into that thread, but got caught up in this one instead. Now I'm going to bed, with the achingly beautiful and haunting strains of "Friend You'll Be" "Crystal Orbs" "Til the Dawn Breaks" and "Dreams Are" floating through my head. If I don't get to that other thread, yes, Rearmament is a work of wonder, containing many songs I could not imagine ever doing without. Vickie "Oh friend you'll be, forever close to me" HTR DIVX = GREED - Boycott Circuit City! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:35:54 -0400 From: "Tom Ditto" Subject: Re: Samson cited >you'd better have MACHINE READABLE links. Good point, IEEE. I'm not one who holds that Less is More. That tired slogan goes with War is Peace as in 1984. However, I'd suggest that if you can't read the page, then Less is Less -- with the obvious consequence. Tom ditto@taconic.net "Do you copy? Over" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:58:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "jeffrey c. burka" Subject: Re: I Am A Legend (in my own mind) :-) On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Xenu's Sister wrote: > (Have I told you lately how wonderful I think you are?) > but I'd throw in things that I thought were particularly wonderful, even > if they had achieved a certain popularity. Perhaps, but that wasn't the point of the show, was it? I remember you commenting something like "I like Janet Jackson and Madonna, but they don't *need* any more exposure." > Nope, that was my last *live* show (June 16, 1990). After I moved to > Chicago I taped the shows on reel-to-reel and sent them down to KC. Whoops. I knew that. Then I forgot. > Tape is so impersonal. er...unless you're Jorn Barger and it's picking up your psychic imprints? > When Warpaint was released (on CD, which helped), > you two are directly responsible for the path that led to the domino > effect of people buying it, raving about it, prompting others to buy it, > yadda yadda. You give me and Larry too much credit (he sez modestly; Larry can feel free to claim as much as he'd like... ;-). Don't forget, for instance, mjm. If you and he hadn't responded to my suggestion that we work en masse to transcribe the 1st4 (before Happy managed to dig up lyrics to _Ecto_ and we only had to do the 1st3...), I might not have obsessed the way I did, figuring out just how dark and nasty and beautiful the early work was. > What a wonderful description...thank you! I had so much fun > doing that "show" and consider it a highlight of my time on this > list. Inspired by my post this morning, I grabbed the ectoSiG on my way out of the house and listened to the first 25-ish minutes on my way to work. It's been a few years since I've listened to it. Wonderful! I can't wait to work my way to the back of the tape and the 3 B/R songs I haven't heard in forever. > Fuzzy Blue mailing list. I'm sure most people threw away the > felt, because it did make closing the cassettes harder, but it > seemed to work at the time. I'm glad you liked it. The felt is still in *my* casette (also in the two tapes of the original HGP, 12/91) jeff np _ecto_ (just waiting another 27 minutes for lunch and my chance to nab that wascally mwabt) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:26:19 -0400 (EDT) From: queen of carrot flowers Subject: Lilith Fair in Mansfield Hey all. The reality that I'm not going to be able to attend the Boston dates of Lilith Fair has finally sunk in. This saddens me. It's not so much for the big reasons, but that I will be missing a live set by Syd Straw -- my favourite girl singer, and a person who's kind of like the wacky auntie I never had. My question is, will any of you guys be attending any of the dates Syd will be playing? (She's also gracing the Ottowa show with her fabulous presence.) If any of you should go and see her, please get a set-list for me, and be sure and tell her I said hi. 'Kay? - --C. - ---- Chelsea, the mod pixie home: away: tugboat@channel1.com odyshape@hotmail.com "I started out as a missionary, but I couldn't find a religion which didn't promise things to some people at the exclsion of others. The personal voyage into that kind of light shouldn't be denied to anybody." -- Patti Smith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 09:53:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Jumper Subject: Re: Rearmament and the "Killer Es" Jeff wrote regarding Rearmament: ...(seems like the ecto ma once accused me of sending chills down her back after writing about...er... "Crystal Orbs," I think it was.) "Baby Don't Go," I still think, is one of Happy's most powerful pieces, both musically and lyrically. The point is that I absolutely love _Rearmament_... Ditto for me. My favorite Happy album seems to cycle among Warpaint (which is a sentimental favorite, as it was my first Happy disc), Ecto, and Rearmament; however, I find myself considering Rearmament my favorite/the best more often and for longer periods as time goes by. Do give _Ecto_ a nice, long chance... "Don't Want to Hear It" was the first Happy song I transcribed (8/90!) and I remember being amazed once I started to figure out what the hell she was talking about. "Project 499" is another of my all time favorite Happy songs. Ditto again. You seem to have picked my favorite Happy songs off both of these albums... Now to the "Killer Es". I've recently heard the work of three appealing "E" bands: Eva Trout, Ednaswap, and Eden AKA. Eva Trout is an Australian band whose album was described as "folk rock in the Lilith Faire style" at a Tower listening station. I liked it enough to get it based on one sampling. (I try to follow a policy of at least two listens on separate occasions, to combat EWS. Rules are meant to be broken... :) It won't be on repeat in my CD player forever, but I'm not disappointed -- the Tower description is pretty accurate. The name Ednaswap (Edna Swap?) sounded slightly familiar (likely from Ecto) when I heard one of their songs on a radio "artist spotlight" segment recently. They're a female-fronted group who've apparently also recorded "Torn", which Natalie Imbruglia had such a hit with. The one song sounded more Ecto-eclectic than I expected knowing they had done "Torn". What do others think? Finally, Eden AKA is three Australian women (whose initials are "A", "K", and "A") I also heard during an artist spotlight segment. Based on one song, I'd characterize the music as "folk pop" with Ecto potential. Maybe some of our Australian Ecto members can comment further? Thanks, Greg np: Peter Hammill, _Fireships_ nr: various periodicals... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:53:51 -0400 From: Laura Clifford Subject: Boy George article Thought Meredith might get a kick out of this... http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe/globehtml/223/They_tumbled_4_him.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:02:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve VanDevender Subject: Re: Rearmament and stuff Tim writes: > Actually if it werent for Look For The Child, and especially When The Rain > Came Down, I wouldn't like Ecto nearly as much as I do. But those weren't part of the original release of _Ecto_. The CD versions of the first four contain bonus tracks that are in most cases not contemporary with the albums they were placed on. I could see how, if you find _Warpaint_ one of your most favorite Happy albums, you would like the bonus tracks on _Rearmament_ and _Ecto_ better than most of the other things on them, since those bonus tracks were actually recorded around the time of _Warpaint_ (after, in some cases). Having originally bought the tape releases of Happy's first four, it's sort of weird to see people talking about how their favorite songs are things that I just _know_ aren't on those albums. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:27:48 -0700 From: "Larry S. Greenfield" Subject: Re: Dan Bern, revisited Since there's been a fair bit of sentiment expressed on this artist, I thought I would chime in with my own take. I think Dan is one of those artists whose sense of humor you either get or don't, and I do (I think?); I think he's one of the most incredible ironic troubadours ever. Both of his CDs are definitely worth a listen. He does very much remind me of Bob Dylan circa late 1964 -- and I was there. His songs make me laugh out loud, and his perspective, timing, and music all fall within well-trod "ecto" parameters. Owen L. Magee wrote: > > > But for anyone who thinks they might like irreverence taken to extremes, > or a perverted, hilarious Bob Dylan, > -- well, maybe you should try out Dan Bern. >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:55:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "jeffrey c. burka" Subject: oh my. just...oh my. jeff np: well, *duh* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:10:39 -0500 (CDT) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: And upon reading this, I figured the hell with waiting until the end of the day, and ran across the street to Borders -- where they said that they had it somewhere in the back but couldn't find it. Four hours until I hit Tower *whine* On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, jeffrey c. burka wrote: > > oh my. > > just...oh my. > > jeff > np: well, *duh* > > - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:15:20 -0700 From: "C. K. Coney" Subject: Re: Rearmament and stuff I love all the stories of Happy in the early days & folks relationships w/her & her music. I'm glad the new release is helping bring these memories to mind. Keep 'em comin'! Carol Jeffrey C. Burka wrote: > Tim wrote: > > > >Heh. There are still a bunch of us who don't consider "Be Careful What > > >You Say" to be part of _Rearmament_; it's one of the Bartlett/Rhodes > > >demos from ectoSiG! > > > > Um, excuse me for being utterly ignorant, but what does the "SiG" stand for? > > "Suspended in Gaffa" > > Once upon a time, there was a little-known DJ on a public radio station > in Kansas City, who had a radio show that played only music by female > artists, none of them mainstream, at least in the US. The > radio show was Suspended in Gaffa, and the dj was Vickie Mapes. > > I'm not positive that this is the first place Happy got actual air > time, but it had to be close. > > SiG eventually went off the air in '90 (with a 6 hour marathon show, which > Vickie taped and then sent out on a tape-tree set up on rec.music.gaffa; > the tape-tree blew up after just a few steps, but by some miracle, > I was near the top and got copies of the 4 90 minute tapes, which > included about 75 minutes of music from Happy's 1st4). > > Vickie eventually moved to Chicago and temporarily revived SiG on a radio > station (up in Evanston, wasn't it?). > > Anyway, one her side projects back in...had to be '91... was a straight- > to-tape "radio show" featuring the radio interview she'd done with > Happy back in Kansas City. The tape also featured 5 then-unreleased > tracks. 4 were demos that Happy and Kevin had done while they toyed > with the idea of working as a duo, Bartlett/Rhodes. "Be Careful What > You Say" was one of those 4 tracks. The tape also featured "When > the Rain Came Down," which Happy basically donated to Vickie specifically > for the "Suspended in Ecto" tape, as a gift to the early ectophiles. > (that's why I think it was '91; it was a while before the CD release > of _Ecto_ in 5/92, when WtRCD was oficially released). > > Anyway, the tape was something else for those of us who received it. > > Vickie packaged each one with a keychain with a photo of Happy working > in her studio, and the tapes themselves had a piece of blue felt in > the case. > > jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:33:08 -0400 From: Paul Blair Subject: O Happy Day! Just dropped in to Tower on my lunch break. Glanced at the "new releases" rack. No Happy. Went back to the "R's." Every album but the new one; paper divider with the nice quote about it from *Pulse* still there. Off to Customer Service: "They told me Sunday it would be in today..." --"Yes, it's in, look in the 'new releases' rack or off in the back under 'R'" --"I already looked." --"Well try the 'overstock' section underneath the shelves." --"!" Back to the "new releases" rack, looking more thoroughly this time. Back to the "R's." Examine the overstock shelves. No Happy. Back to customer service. Wait interminably, noticing that Happy isn't mentioned on Tower's "August New Releases" sheet. --"Well, that's the only place they could be. It says we have thirty. Unless for some reason they didn't get put out yet." Back for one last look at the overstock shelves... notice the pile of cardboard boxes on the floor over to the side. The top one has already been opened and at least one copy of *Many Worlds are Born Tonight* already removed. Yesssss! Now I just have to listen to it! Nice that I have a CD player and headphones I can use at work... I finally got my copy of *Rhodesongs* on Friday, which completed my Happy Rhodes collection up to then. Wow! Even though I'd heard almost everything before, there was something about all those songs being together in one place that made it feel almost as if I was hearing them for the first time. And count me in as another big *Rearmament* fan. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:45:52 -0500 (CDT) From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: Topeka Tales of Fudd Hi, well, >my< flabber has been well and goodly gasted!!! Listening to MWABT on the way home...zowee! Have heard 'jork' (MWABT) twice live and now..... Got up this AM and called around. Hastings book and music had >>1<< copy sent to them. It's mine now. I talked HR up a lot w/ the music guy there. They had it earmarked for "Easy Listening" sound unheard. I also called around for Billboard, need the ad for my fan stuff. Only 1 place in Topeka sells them and they had 1 left: Beans and Nibble. When I got there I checked: they can get it special order only!!!! Gotta stop now..it's playing now , bye, KrW TV or not TV? That is the question. To suffer the lies of outrageous pitchmen, or to slit your throat with an electro-coated stainless steel blade? ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V4 #265 **************************