From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V4 #184 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, June 11 1998 Volume 04 : Number 184 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Sessions at West 54th question [cjmacs ] Re: Katemas '98 in Chicago [meredith ] Re: Maire Brennan [Dirk Kastens ] A post I liked [DanS ] Re: Sad news about Mike Weaver [Yessaid@aol.com] Re: Corrs Light [Neal Copperman ] TOM WAITS [Karron Lynn Lane ] Re: What Do Pretty Girls Do?/Nightbirds [Paul2k@aol.com] Re: What Do Pretty Girls Do?/Nightbirds [Neal Copperman ] The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music hits 200 entries! [Neile Graham Subject: Re: Sessions at West 54th question hi all! cspacerage wrote: >I was wondering if any enterprising videotaping fiend has been covering >the PBS show (airs here in Maine on NH PBS Saturdays at midnight) >_Sessions at West 54th St_ . >(I'm pretty sure that's the correct name off the top of me brainpan) > >Barring this, does anyone know if actual audio of these sessions is >available commercially? suzanne vega's appearance is available on cd. it was released in japan by a&m with the imaginative title "suzanne vega: sessions at west 54th". was it worth the outrageous import price paid? well...yes! it's an excellent performance imho regardless of the out-of-tune guitar on the last two cuts. (yes, i suppose i could have made an audio tape of the videotape i made, but cassettes aren't as much fun as cds... ;-} ) tracks are: marlene on the wall gypsy caramel small blue thing world before columbus luka cracking chuck n.p.: the corrs: talk on corners (japanese version with 2 extra tracks) n.r.: larry mcmurtry: comanche moon "My dolly wets and yours doesn't!" - -Roberta Joan Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 21:35:41 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: Katemas '98 in Chicago Hi! Vickie reported re KaTemas (which I *really* wish I could go to, but we may have our own celebration here, as not only is KaTe celebrating a milestone birthday that week, but a certain listowner who will remain nameless (hint: his name starts with w and ends with j) hits his own milestone age that week as well): >We already have 2 folks coming from afar >(Norway, via Cleveland, and Washington, DC) Norway via Cleveland (a.k.a. Alvin Brattli :) will be arriving on these shores in just two days! He'll be staying with us at the House O'Muzak this weekend, and accompanying woj and myself to The Nields' Jam For The Van up in Hatfield, MA on Saturday. Anyone else planning on going to that (besides Jeff, I know about you :)? We don't have anything else planned, but if anyone is going to be in the New Haven area on Sunday (or even Monday) and wants to get together, drop me a line and we'll see what we can arrange. +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY: the Veda Hille mailing list *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:36:54 +0200 From: Dirk Kastens Subject: Re: Maire Brennan At 12:11 10.06.98 -0400, athol-brose wrote: >Sheesh...I don't think you'd have to be "seriously anti-Christian" to >consider the lyrics on Maire Brennan's new album in your purchasing >decision. "Non-Christian" does not equal "seriously anti-Christian", and >neither does "not interested in music with explicitly Christian lyrics". I'm not a Christian but I like Iona very much - regarding the music. Maire's new album is rather boring, IMO, compared to her first two solo albums. She is on the best way to become a second Enya. Another disappointment is the new Clannad album. It's not bad but there isn't any approvement in their music. If you have one you know them all. Dirk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 22:12:44 -0400 From: DanS Subject: A post I liked Hi, I unsubscribed from the Jewel discussion list long ago (although I remain on the news list), and I know a lot of my friends here on ecto have long since done the same. Someone forwarded this post onto me though, and although I have had my disagreements with this author's viewpoints in the past, I thought this was a very well-written post that would be of interest to many of you - particularly those who were early Jewel fans. Here it is, reposted without permission, so sue me: - --- Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 02:27:31 -0500 (EST) From: Sean Hooks Subject: Sucky New Album(my last post from this address) I'd just like to voice my disappointment upon hearing that Jewel's 2nd album is finally coming and that after all this waiting, it's not going to be the Bearsville recordings or any semblance thereof. Gone are the plans for an album that would feature the likes of Moon Over Austin, Nicotine Love, Sometimes it be That Way, 1,000 Miles Away, the album where the two first singles were already planned to be Carnivore and Satellite, the album Jewel made for a reason, promised us as fans, and then let her money-hungry record company keep delaying so that now it looks like it'll never be released. Instead, we will get some Christmas-themed album of new material including songs in Latin? Come on. I can't be the only one who is dismayed by the loss forever apparently, of Fritz Creek Store/The Bearsville Session/whatever you want to call them. Hey, maybe the new album will be good but what was going to be the new album was a sure thing. I've always thought Pieces of You was not a strong album and almost all of the best Jewel songs are non-album unreleased stuff. I'm Sensitive, YWMFM, Painters, and Morning Song are among Jewel's weaker, more shallow, more one dimensional songs and I have always disliked them. And FCS/Bearsville seemed like such a great change up for a second album what with its band and great song selection full of deep, meanigful, emotively powerful songs, not the soft coddling spirituality she admits to trying to conjure up to keep with the "Christmas spirit." Not for nothing, but for me, Jewel needs to stop trying to come across as so nice and sweet and wholesome. That's not what early Jewel was about, especially in live performance. Her strength has always been in her duality, sickly sweet on the surface but a real life human beneath her stage presence full of sarcasm, wit, obscenities, and vehement anger. Jewel's most powerful and meaningful songs are her most angry and distressed. The essence of Jewel and her value as a songwriter comparable to Dylan, Mitchell, Springsteen, and Baez comes from her anger and rage, from Nicotine Love, RaceCar Driver, God's Gift to Women, Jessica, Flower, Foolish Games, Daddy. Just look at the setlist from Jewelstock, who else would have the balls to fill an encore with Nikos, Amen, You're So Small and then end the most poignant and longest(2 and a half hours) concert of her career with Nicotine Love, a song about a vengeful female serial killer, leaving the audience with our heart truly crushed in her fist. Jewel's beauty is not in her purity or angelicness, its in her anger, her disgust at being raised by nature and goodness and being exposed to a society of loathesome fakeness and duplicity and hypocrisy. It's in her poetry too, reread the original As A Child I Walked, her best poem ever, along with Infatuation, Bukowski's Widow, Taking the Slave, Father of a Deaf Girl, Vincent Said, The Strip. Now of course this is all just my opinion, but as a list veteran and long time Jewel fan, these are some of my discoveries, hopefully I've opened some minds. This is my last post as SHOOKS@drew.edu. I have graduated from Drew and am unsubscribing from the list from here. I will be resubbing soon at a new address, Sean35RL@aol.com. Here's to all of you. Be well. Later, Sean Hooks "This is a town full of losers and I'm pullin' outta here to win" - - -Bruce Springsteen "Well I'm takin' back my songs and my poetry, next time I won't be so easy to read" - - -Jewel Kilcher - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 18:07:11 EDT From: Yessaid@aol.com Subject: Re: Sad news about Mike Weaver This is all very bizarre. Michael Weaver.. is this the same Michael Weaver that worked for Spivak Entertainment? See, Tori Amos would tell people who wanted to get a letter to her that was Really important to send it to her management care of Michael Weaver. Does anyone know if it's the same Michael? j'ason ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:47:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: Corrs Light On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, charley darbo wrote: > If any of that made sense, someone please write and explain it to > me. I'm not sure, but I think you said Buffy Sainte Marie had twins by a wolverine, and your at work and your teeth hurt. Was that your point? neal np: A Mellow Gum Chewin' Kinda Evening with Cindy Lee Berryhill (yes, I'm making a CLB bootleg sampler - still) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jun 1998 23:12:40 -0500 From: Karron Lynn Lane Subject: TOM WAITS STEVE I, thanks so much for your detailed review of the tom waits tribute. he's one of my favorites and i really felt like i was there - experiencing musicians who enjoy celebrating someone they really respect. can't beat that! i've been peeping in on this list for a while and want to say how much i really enjoy it. i'm in new orleans where we have a rich musical heritage and lots of wonderful live entertainment, but it's not the same. i really pine for the opportunity to duck into some of the venues you all describe and see the entertainers you like. i've started taking a list of "unknown artists to me" to the used cd joint and that has been most helpful. now i can sometimes compare my perceptions to yours. thanks - and keep on posting. KLL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:27:37 EDT From: Paul2k@aol.com Subject: Re: What Do Pretty Girls Do?/Nightbirds Wooohoo! Kinda new kirsty MacColl album! I know that she's toured the US, not just because of the confirmations of those on the list, but i also remember her playing on Conan Obrien back when he was just starting out as a late night host...she performed Can't Stop Killing You...i got it on audio but not video.. And I also know that she recorded a World Cafe session with David Dye in maybe '95, when Galore came out... Anyone know anything about the availability of her really early stuff, pre IRS records? Paul "chocobo" Kim ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:59:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: What Do Pretty Girls Do?/Nightbirds On Wed, 10 Jun 1998, Valerie Nozick wrote: > I've seen her live, and wasn't that impressed. I hate going to a concert > and hearing the artist sing the songs exactly as they sound on the > record, and I'd put Kirsty into that category. and before that, I said... > >I've seen Kirsty a couple of times - about 2 years ago at the Birchmere in > >Virginia and about 4 years ago at the Belly Up in California. Excellent > >shows both times. Don't know about any current tour plans, but she's > >definitely criss-crossed this country a number of times. Amusingly enough, the show Valerie is describing is the Birchmere show of a few years ago. SHe was rowdier in CA, but I clearly enjoyed the show much more than Valerie did! Neal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 01:11:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Ofer Inbar Subject: Re: Trina Hamlin Carolyn Andre wrote: > Funny - in the same mail run that retrieved Cos' intro & review of fave > voice Trina Hamlin, I find a playlist from the Minneapolis area listing > Trina - and an upcoming gig date which is apparently (sorry - it was my Dad > who lived in Robbinsdale, so *I* have little knowledge of the Minneapolis > area's geography) in the Minneapolis/St. Paul area. .... leaving the radio > show info in there for the edification of any area ectophiles... Oh yeah, I forgot about that - she's gonna be back home for family stuff and booked a few gigs. Unfortunately they're not listed on Musi-Cal yet, but I'll try to get the details or prod her to send in the listings... :) > (btw - it was probably the comparison to Susan McKeown which caught my > attention, Cos :-) Ahh, well, she doesn't *sound* like Susan McKeown, she acts & talks & jokes like Susan McKeown. Which does give something of a similar "feel" to their live shows, true. And her voice is at least as powerful and room-filling as Susan's (more so, IMHO). np: Mica Richards, "Properties of Motion" (self-produced) (She's someone Trina sort of sounds like. This list familiar with her?) -- Cos (Ofer Inbar) -- cos@polyamory.org http://www.leftbank.com/CosWeb/ -- WBRS (100.1 FM) -- info@wbrs.org http://www.wbrs.org/ Washington, DC: A city known for its Southern efficiency and Northern charm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jun 1998 00:34:19 -0500 From: Neile Graham Subject: The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music hits 200 entries! Hi, all-- Just an update on the Guide. A few weeks ago, unnoticed by anyone until today, the Guide just passed the 200 artist entries mark. We still have a loooooooong way to go, but 200 entries! Geez! Thanks to the hardworking editors out there, and smoe for letting us be a space hog and wow. And a huge thank you to everyone on ecto for contributing your comments to the Guide! Smoe now provides information on traffic at the site, and the site ranges between 325 and 625 html files downloaded daily. So, not only do we have files up there, but we get traffic, too. I added a registry for updates to the Change Log page almost a month ago, but I registered the ectoguide email address itself and have only gotten one message though the page has been updated four times. I guess I'll wait, but if anyone can recommend another site that provides this service I'd appreciate it. The one I've been using, is netmind.com's URL-Minder. New files since May 1: Eliza Carthy, Gogh Van Go, Rebecca Moore, Heather Russell, Salem 66, Elisabeth von Trapp, Charming, Sarah Slean, Värttinä, Lanterna, Land of the Blind, Eva Dahlgren, Ani DiFranco, and Utah Phillips and Ani DiFranco. Either Charming's or Sarah Slean's file was the 200th. Remember if you want to write up an entry for your favourite artists that are still missing from the site, it's pretty easy--just a template to fill out with album info. You can either edit my backlog of comments about the artists or leave them to me to edit. And if you want to volunteer to help with our backlog of editing, that would be very welcome, too. We're still working on the Bs, Cs, and Ds, and you can request artists that you particularly want to do. Also, I would appreciate if anyone has any particular suggestions for improvement to the site that they would let me know. I have considered making frames for the repeated info, but decided simpler was better. Let me know if you agree or disagree. Also, many thanks to Jill :D and Steve Fagg for responding to the Peter Gabriel query! - --Neile - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ..... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ..... neile@sff.net The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music .... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V4 #184 **************************