From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V4 #166 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, May 26 1998 Volume 04 : Number 166 Today's Subjects: ----------------- lukewarm Lilith feelings? [00jnweiser@bsuvc.bsu.edu] For Jill Sobule fans [KBolin0418 ] Re: Minimalism & Iva Bittova [jjh969@juno.com] For Jill Sobule fans #2 [KBolin0418 ] Re: Minimalism [kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white)] Re: Minimalism [larnep@pathfinder.com (Larne Pekowsky)] Rhea's Obsession, Faith & Disease ["Craig Gidney" ] Re: Minimalism ["Neil K. Guy" ] Re: Minimalism ["Joseph S. Zitt" ] Re: Minimalism [charley darbo ] Re: Rhea's Obsession, Faith & Disease [Neile Graham ] Re: Minimalism ["Joseph S. Zitt" ] Re[2]: Minimalism [cheneh@mail01.adm.duke.edu] Re: Minimalism [Chris Sampson ] Re: Re[2]: Minimalism ["Joseph S. Zitt" ] Re: For Jill Sobule fans [JavaHo ] No response to my Fleadh '97 question! :( [Ariana@excelsior.net] Re: Genesis [Greg Jumper ] this week's ews inducer [meredith ] introduction [aardvark of destiny ] Arvanitaki, Seely [Neile Graham ] Re: ecto-digest V4 #150 [lanblind ] Jeff Buckley [kerry white ] Re: ecto-digest V4 #156 [lanblind ] RE: ecto-digest V4 #153 [Robert I Stewart ] Re: minimalism [meredith ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 08:55:44 -0500 (EST) From: 00jnweiser@bsuvc.bsu.edu Subject: lukewarm Lilith feelings? hey all:) i was reading meth's post about Levi's and Lilith which mentioned feeling lukewarm about going to Lilith--and I just wondered why. I think they only did that shoot b/c Levi's is a big sponsor.....Yeah, it's a little Corporate-Hollywood, but... I don't know. Anyway, I'm just wondering. I'm not going to Lilith this year either, but for a couple different reasons, mainly I'll be in Vancouver when it's in Indy and the line-ups around here are terrible....anyway, i'm just wondering, cause i don't hear negative stuff about lilith very often, except when the artists are mentioned (how there was no "variety" or whatever).... just curious :) jessica NP: _Flaming red_ patty griffin http://adam.nettfriends.com/Jess ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 10:53:08 EDT From: KBolin0418 Subject: For Jill Sobule fans Hi, Just found the remaining tour dates for Lloyd Cole, whose band Jill Sobule is playing guitar in: Lloyd Cole I think it's great she's also known for her guitar playing but miss hearing her own songs...she's the best story teller!! Karen p.s. the Mimi album is excellent. Sorry I'm not good at writing reviews or comparing to other artists, etc. Just GET IT!! You'll be glad you did. The liner notes are a challenge to read though; it's like a crossword puzzle. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 11:07:49 -0400 From: jjh969@juno.com Subject: Re: Minimalism & Iva Bittova Joe typed: >For example, listening to early minimalism, you might be >disappointed if you only listen for changes at the rate that >most popular and classical music changes harmonically, I once saw Phillip Glass and a large ensemble perform "Powaqqatsi" live and was blown away. I've also seen the Kronos Quartet perform various Glass pieces and I was also very impressed. Can't call myself a Glass fan though, as his, like Terry Reiley's music often gives me the impression that the composer got a lick in his head, and he's gonna see if he can beat it to death by exploring every conceivable permutation. Meth rued her not having gone to the Factory for Iva Bittova's show. I'm also Very Sorry not to have gotten up the steam to make it myself. Those who are curious about her might want to seek out Fred Frith's film and/or disc "Step Across the Border". It features Fred, Iva, the late Tom Cora, Bill Laswell, Zina Parkins, John Zorn, Rene' Lussier, Bob Ostertag and several other artists. John _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 11:33:25 EDT From: KBolin0418 Subject: For Jill Sobule fans #2 And here's the correct link for tour dates: Lloyd Cole2 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 13:09:42 -0500 From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: Re: Minimalism Hi, There was a Terry Riley in the '70's who did an LP called Rainbow in Curved Air. Live keyboards that ..uh..twittered.. up and down and around, going nowhere but giving a pleasent ride on the way. Same guy?? KrW TV or not TV? That is the question. To suffer the lies of outrageous pitchmen, or to slit your throat with an electro-coated stainless steel blade? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 14:43:16 -0400 (EDT) From: larnep@pathfinder.com (Larne Pekowsky) Subject: Re: Minimalism > Hi, There was a Terry Riley in the '70's who did an LP called Rainbow > in Curved Air. Live keyboards that ..uh..twittered.. up and down and > around, going nowhere but giving a pleasent ride on the way. Same guy?? Pointless trivia: If I remember correctly, this piece was used at several points in the "Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy" radio series. - Larne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 14:50:25 -0400 From: "Craig Gidney" Subject: Rhea's Obsession, Faith & Disease 1. Rhea's Obsession, "Initiation". This Vancouver-based duo features the classically-trained vocals of Sue Hutton and the crunchy, scraping guitar theatrics of her husband Jim Field. Sue has a beautiful, clear voice, influenced mostly Celtic folk stylings; but when she wants to, she can add a bit of razor-tipped fire to her musings. I wouldn't call her "delicate" - -- as in the wispy meandering of Karen Peris (Innocence Mission) or fluttery, like Anneli Drecker (Bel Canto). In fact, her sound is mostly free of the Romantic, twee affectations of many "ethereal" female singers. It's refreshing, in this context. Sue's vision tends toward the darker side of feminine power; images of nature ("Tsunami"; "Death by Moonlight") prevail in the self-penned lyrics. There's an Aleister Crowley poem, describing some sex-and-nature magic that's set to music, along with traditional Celtic folk songs. Another surprise is a light-hearted, straightfoward reading of Sheila Chandra's "Ocean". What really sets this band apart is Jim Fields' guitar. He achieves atmosphere and depth using fairly fierce sounding effects and delays. His one instrumental piece sounds like gamelan. The other instruments -- discreet keyboards, and prominent percussion, also move this work into harder-edged territory. What I like about this album is that it crosses into the dreamy, Cocteau/ DCD region without resorting to any of their tricks. 2. Faith & Disease, "Insularia". With this new release, Seattle's F&D move firmly into Cowboy Junkies/Mazzy Star phantasmorgic rural neighborhood. Dilapidated barns, the lonesome baying of a coyote, dust devils, blue-silver moonlight describing a weathervane...we're all familiar with the architecture. Dara Rosewasser's voice starts out the first track, with a cathedral-pure soprano, leading you to believe this will be a churchy, madrigal-type number. But after her solemn opening, a guitar whines, and up starts the backing band, muted and blurring (with gossamer-thin tendrils) the difference between country, blues and goth. "Insularia" is a great *album*, a vast improvement over the 'collection of songs' feel of their previous work. Each piece has its place and unfolds perfectly. The two covers -- "I come and stand at every door" and "Witches" perfectly complement and aid the theme of unresolved longing and lost. Rosewasser's voice has become a formidable instrument. Imagine Natalie Merchant vectored in the direction Ann Halsam (Renaissance). The soundtrack to a Cormac McCarthy novel. >>Craig ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 12:15:47 -0700 From: "Neil K. Guy" Subject: Re: Minimalism At 2:43 PM -0400 5/26/98, Larne Pekowsky wrote: >> Hi, There was a Terry Riley in the '70's who did an LP called Rainbow >> in Curved Air. Live keyboards that ..uh..twittered.. up and down and >> around, going nowhere but giving a pleasent ride on the way. Same guy?? > >Pointless trivia: If I remember correctly, this piece was used at >several points in the "Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy" radio series. Indeed. Brief excerpts from both a Rainbow in Curved Air and Poppy Nogood and the Phantom Band were used in several episodes from the first Hitch-hiker's radio series. Sounded quite good. I was, in fact, rather disappointed to get the Riley LP some years ago as I found the whole thing a bit boring after a while. Endless loops and mid-60s synthesizer noodlings. I think you have to drop a lot of acid to appreciate it fully. :) As I understand it Riley would do these epic concerts that meandered on and on for hours. But, like, it was the spirit of the times, man! (the two pieces above were '64 and '67 respectively, I think) - Neil K. - -- 49N 16' 123W 7' + nkg@nettwerk.com + (604) 654-2929 Technical Services Manager, Nettwerk Productions 1250 West 6th Ave. Vancouver, BC, Canada V6H 1A5 I'm just me; not a spokesperson for Nettwerk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 14:55:15 -0500 (CDT) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: Minimalism On Tue, 26 May 1998, Neil K. Guy wrote: > I was, in fact, rather disappointed to get the Riley LP some years ago as > I found the whole thing a bit boring after a while. Endless loops and > mid-60s synthesizer noodlings. I think you have to drop a lot of acid to > appreciate it fully. :) As I understand it Riley would do these epic > concerts that meandered on and on for hours. But, like, it was the spirit > of the times, man! (the two pieces above were '64 and '67 respectively, I > think) It's been a while since I've listened to those albums but again here it turns into an issue of the level (meant in terms of granularity, in a sense, and emphatically not as a value judgment) at which you're listening. There isn't much going on in terms of changes of duration at a note-to-note level, and the duration of the loops also tend to stay the same due to the tape technology he was using (the same stuff, I believe, that Eno later rediscovered and Fripp used as "Frippertronics"). It's also pretty static harmonically. Where things are happening are the subtle layerings in what's looping. New lines are added and old ones fade away, leaving slightly changed soundscapes. If I recall, occasionally non-repeating melodies are layered on top (the "noodles"), which, granted, might be more interesting in the hands of a different player. (I wonder what Terry Riley and John McLaughlin might do together; unfortunately, Riley's collaboration with John Cale, "Church of Anthrax" isn't the best work of either of them.) Another quite significant aspect of the music was that it tended to be thunderously loud, with a lot of stuff happening at a level that the audience would feel rrather than hear. That's hard to reproduce with a recording and a home system (if you don't want to cause your neighbors to want to kill you). In a sense the spirit of those times was like the spirit of these: the experience of those concerts was very much like aspects of Raves (do Raves still happen? I'm out of touch...). I can't speak to the acid aspect, other than to note that it was an aspect of both scenes. I understand that one frequent aspect of tripping is the ability to focus in on extreme details of things, whether or not they exist. In that case, yeah, it might come in handy. n.p. Philip Glass: Music with Changing Parts - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 13:24:26 -0700 (PDT) From: charley darbo Subject: Re: Minimalism Here's my take on minimalism (I'm sure you're all _dying_ for it): I like Steve Reich and John Adams; Philip Glass is elevator music for pseudointellectuals. Steve Reich's stuff is pure meditation to me. He takes minimalism to greater extremes than anyone else: he focuses on the music, like a mantra, and finds its center. John Adams I like because, though he's a minimalist, he's got a great gift for melody. I know, I know--a contradiction in terms. But he pulls it off. Where Reich's stuff pulses like a heartbeat (and Glass's like a busy signal), Adams builds patterns out of patterns. His motifs seem to roll around each other, rather than proceeding single file in an orderly fashion. But he can't write for vocals worth diddley. - --charley _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 13:22:17 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: Rhea's Obsession, Faith & Disease Craig Gidney wrote: >1. Rhea's Obsession, "Initiation". Glad to hear someone actually has a copy of their music! I heard about them a couple of years ago on alt.music.canada and got interested enough to write their name down and look for a disc everytime I go to Canada. It sounds as though when I go up on Thursday there might actually be a disc there by them! - --Neile - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ..... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ..... neile@sff.net The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music .... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 15:49:28 -0500 (CDT) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: Minimalism On Tue, 26 May 1998, charley darbo wrote: > I like Steve Reich and John Adams; Philip Glass is elevator music > for pseudointellectuals. I haven't found Glass's music too interesting since he started writing for orchestras. But his earlier work, up through Koyaanisqatsi or thereabouts works well for me. I'll still go to see just about any movie or performance for which Glass does the music: while he might be doing the same thing over and over, he has a knack for finding interesting projects and colllaborators. > Steve Reich's stuff is pure meditation to me. He takes minimalism > to greater extremes than anyone else: he focuses on the music, like a > mantra, and finds its center. For the *really* pure stuff, check out LaMonte Young's work (except for his unfortunate blues band recording). He makes Reich seem stylistically promiscuous. I haven't been too thrilled with much of Reich's recent work, either. Both "The Cave" and "Different Trains" didn't work for me (Pulitzer Prize notwithstanding); the music didn't do much to enhance the text, and I think the raw interviews would have been as interesting or more so than the musical versions. There's a review of his latest work, "Hindenburg", in yesterday's NYTimes, which makes it should like it has that same problem. (A brief self-serving plug: In Comma's next performance on June 20th here in DC, we're focusing on minimalism, with new works by each of us that build in different ways from that aesthetic, and with soprano and violinist guests. For details, see http://www.artswire.org/comma/perform.html You can see the working version of the score for my new piece for the concert at http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt/comma/dervish.pdf You'll need a PDF reader (like Adobe's Acrobat Reader, available free at http://www.adobe.com/ ) to read it.) - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:31 -0400 (EDT) From: cheneh@mail01.adm.duke.edu Subject: Re[2]: Minimalism - --Boundary_(ID_5AL+ETiyBy8RbeQE7sg97Q) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII hey ectophiles ive been reading the more recent posts on noodling/looping/etc with some interest, although i am not very familiar with the music and am too young to have experienced firsthand the aural innovations that were going on in the 60's. someone (i think mr zitt) wondered whether raves were still happening and as a matter of fact they are. and people still trip at them. im no expert on the genealogy of electronic forms but the rave 'scenes' have definitely become more sophisticated and probably much more commercialized since the mid 80's. electronic club culture is different in the UK, europe, and japan, and even in the larger north american cities, but where im from (a midsized college town in the south), the atavistic buzz you might expect to find at at many of the tent/warehouse parties gets a more than adequate boost from K, X, etc. my friends and i go to raves because we like to dance and certain of these rhythms can lull us into a trance. but as with any other for there is also a desire to be lulled into oblivion. 'live' music can be a very expensive habit! maybe also because nowadays many of the 'tekkno' afficionados are younger and the genre is permutating so rapidly that awareness of the sonic pioneers like cale, eno, fripp, etc, becomes more and more remote, esoteric. but that's probably off the subject of your mailing list! i have a question: i have been looking for "the bodies and the knives" by eleftheria arvanitaki for about a year and a half and i cant find it anywhere in north america, neither through special order nor the larger chains (tower, etc). any recommendations on where i should next look? since ive learned so much from your list just eavesdropping, here is something i'd like to share with arrybody. if youre is a fan of american indie or early not-so-moog stereolab sounds, you will probably enjoy Seely, a very excellent band from atlanta with gear in your local record shop and an exhilarating live show. stratospheric girl vocals (pale saints/cranes), jangly loops (trans am/galaxie 500), and high cocteau lyrics. plus they shake some good booty. thanks, echo - --Boundary_(ID_5AL+ETiyBy8RbeQE7sg97Q) Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII RFC-822-headers: Received: from siren.shore.net by mc.duke.edu (PMDF V5.1-10 #23776) with SMTP id <0ETK003FWY5JF2@mc.duke.edu> for cheneh@duccrtr; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smoe.org [204.167.97.154] by siren.shore.net with esmtp (Exim) id 0yePqi-0000JD-00; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:57:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) with SMTP id PAA28328; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Tue, 26 May 1998 15:56:25 -0400 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/listq-jane) id PAA28304 for ecto-outgoing; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.realtime.net (mail1.realtime.net [205.238.128.217]) by smoe.org (8.8.7/8.8.7/daemon-mode-relay2) with SMTP id PAA28299 for ; Tue, 26 May 1998 15:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 19686 invoked from network); Tue, 26 May 1998 19:55:26 +0000 Received: from zoom.realtime.net (HELO zoom.bga.com) (jzitt@205.238.128.40) by mail1.realtime.net with SMTP; Tue, 26 May 1998 19:55:26 +0000 Received: from localhost (jzitt@localhost) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA21599; Tue, 26 May 1998 14:55:16 -0500 Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 14:55:15 -0500 (CDT) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: Minimalism In-reply-to: Sender: owner-ecto@smoe.org X-Sender: jzitt@zoom.bga.com To: "Neil K. Guy" Cc: ecto@smoe.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Precedence: bulk X-Authentication-warning: zoom.bga.com: jzitt owned process doing -bs - --Boundary_(ID_5AL+ETiyBy8RbeQE7sg97Q)-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 17:50:43 -0400 From: Chris Sampson Subject: Re: Minimalism charley darbo wrote: > > Here's my take on minimalism (I'm sure you're all _dying_ for it): > I like Steve Reich and John Adams; Philip Glass is elevator music > for pseudointellectuals. I'm not sure what elevator music for pseudointellectuals sounds like... or, in what way it differs from the current style of elevator music... Maybe if I asked somebody over at Otis... Not that he *needs* it (being the most well-known of the three) but, I'm gonna weigh in in support of Philip Glass. I bought Einstein on the Beach when it first came out on CD (having heard it off the vinyl a coupla years prior) and, for a brief panicky period wondered, "Oh no! What have I done?!"... a few listens later, I 'found' the music... the paradox within... the complexity on other levels (e.g., meter, phrasing, arrangment) and still find the entire album quite soothing (not dulling). Oh, sure, you can play it as 'background' music (but then I can listen to Prima Materia as 'background' music) but, intellectually and spiritually, I find it to be rather focusing and clarifying. The usual complaint I hear leveled at Glass' music is that it is 'cold'... Each his own perspective validated, I offer that I find tremendous warmth therein... but I'm sure this is some massive and intricate rationalization on my part. Of course, the ultimate irony is that Glass doesn't (or, at least, didn't, originally) consider himself a 'minimalist'... and maybe we're splitting hairs here, but I think his own words are more accurate... 'limited melodic content' (or something very much like that). I own only 2 Pglass works... the aforementioned Einstein on the Beach, and the soundtrack/score to Powaqqatsi... both of which I highly recommend... Powaqqatsi being the more 'accessible' of the two, especially for those who love 'world' music. Well, that does it for me, Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:58:17 -0500 (CDT) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: Re[2]: Minimalism On Tue, 26 May 1998 cheneh@mail01.adm.duke.edu wrote: > i have a question: i have been looking for "the bodies and the knives" > by eleftheria arvanitaki for about a year and a half and i cant find it > anywhere in north america, neither through special order nor the > larger chains (tower, etc). any recommendations on where i should next look? An Alta Vista search on "+arvanitaki +bodies" brings up Trehantiri Music in London, at http://www.greekmus.demon.co.uk/female.htm from whom you can apparently order it. - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 18:04:08 EDT From: JavaHo Subject: Re: For Jill Sobule fans Karen writes: << I think it's great she's also known for her guitar playing >> This hit me kind of funny. I've only heard a couple of things she has done...one live and one studio. In both cases, while I liked her, I couldn't help but think, "My God, somebody show that girl how to tune a guitar!" I assume it was her playing. Maybe I'm wrong. When I was an engineer, I had this T-Shirt that I wore to a few deserving sessions that said "Tune it or Die". It's my motto. I had to laugh when I saw a favourite local duo tuning their acoustics in the middle of a set at the coffeehouse one night. One of them leaned in to the mic and said, "We tune because we care." OK, so it's probably a stock phrase, but they won my heart that night. Java ------------------------------ Date: 26 May 1998 19:29:20 EDT From: Ariana@excelsior.net Subject: No response to my Fleadh '97 question! :( Come on I remember last year several posts on Fleadh at Randalls Island. I didn't pay much attention to it at the time. I know one or 2 of you must be out there. Can someone tell me if it's worth my while going. Is it extremely crowded, long lines for food/beverages. What's the story? Someone please respond! :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:30:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Greg Jumper Subject: Re: Genesis I leave for the long weekend, and what should I find when I get back, but a Genesis thread on Ecto... I'm on the Genesis mailing list, Paperlate (which is not even remotely as interesting or as enjoyable as Ecto), mainly just so I can find out things like this: a much-delayed (nearly two years) 4-CD box set covering the "Gabriel Years" will be released on June 16th. Two of the CDs will contain a live version of _The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway_, while the other two discs will contain B-sides, demo's, and other rarities -- many from the *very* early years (that's your completist-only warning, if applicable :). Another box set covering the "Collins Years" is planned for the hopefully not-too-distant future. For the fan of _A Trick of the Tail_ wondering what to sample from Genesis' earlier work, I recommend _Selling England by the Pound_. That's my favorite Genesis album, and it somehow seems most "quintessentially Genesis" to me as well. Greg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:31:27 -0400 From: meredith Subject: this week's ews inducer Hi! Here we go ... a relatively light week, thank the gods. :) Because of that, I haven't done any editing. Enjoy! > ******************* > * ICE CD Releases * > ******************* > > *Rock and Pop new releases* > -------------------------- > - JEFF BUCKLEY - Sketches (for my sweetheart the drunk) (ICE #133) > (ECD) (Columbia) > - THE CONNELLS - Still Life (ICE #135)(TVT) > - DEADBOLT - Zulu Deathmask (Headhunter/Cargo) > - EPPERLEY - Sophomore Slump (Triple X) > - THE GENERATORS - Welcome to the End (Triple X) > - LUNGFISH - Artificial Horizon (Dischord) > - THE MAYFIELD FOUR - Fallout (Epic) > - MO THUGS FAMILY - Family Reunion (w/solo tracks from Krayzie Bone, > Layzie Bone, Wish Bone and Flesh-N-Bone) (Mo Thugs/Relativity) > - MONO PUFF - (w/John Flansburgh of "They Might Be Giants") It's Fun > to Steal (Bar None) > - STEGASORUS - Stegasorus (Reprise) > - SCOTT THOMAS BAND - California (Elektra) > - Original soundtrack to "Can't Hardly Wait" (modern rock/hip-hop: > Meredith Brooks, Missy "Misdemeanor" Elliott, et al.) (Elektra) > > *Rock and Pop reissues* > ----------------------- > - B-52's - Time Capsule: Songs for a Future Generation (two-CD > anthology; ICE #134) (Reprise) > - RITCHIE BLACKMORE - Take It! Sessions '63-'68 (Purple Pyramid) > - NICK CAVE AND THE BAD SEEDS - The Best Of (Reprise) > - FORTUNE & MALTESE (Michigan garage-rock) - And the Fabulous > Pallbeareres (20 track compilation w/some unreleased) (Get Hip) > - THE LUV'D ONES - The Luv'd Ones (Sundazed) > - PAUL REVERE & THE RAIDERS - Just Like Us (ICE #135) (Sundazed) > - PETE SEEGER - If I Had a Hammer: Songs of Hope and Struggle > (Smithsonian Folkways) > - SHADOWS OF KNIGHT - Back Door Men and Gloria (ICE #135) (Sundazed) > - FRANK SINATRA - At the Sands; Francis Albert Sinatra & Antonio > Carlos Jobim; Ring-a-Ding-Ding!; September of My Years (Reprise); > Come Dance with Me; In the Wee Small Hours; Sings for Only the > Lonely; Sinatra's Swingin' Session (EPROP) (ICE #135) > - WE THE PEOPLE - Mirror of Our Minds (two CDs; new title) (Sundazed) > - Original soundtrack to "Last Days of Disco" (WORK Group) > > *Blues new releases* > -------------------- > - Various artists - "A Tribute to Howlin' Wolf" (ICE #133) (Telarc) > - LITTLE MILTON - For Real (Malaco) > > *Country new releases* > ---------------------- > - TY HERNDON - Big Hopes (Epic) > > New and reissued Compact Disc releases are provided by ICE Magazine, a > leader in > Compact Disc news. For a taste of the printed publication, visit ICE > On-Line at > www.icemagazine.com. (C) 1998 by Howard Communications, Inc. > > *Information subject to change. +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY: the Veda Hille mailing list *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:51:30 -0400 (EDT) From: aardvark of destiny Subject: introduction Hello ectophiles! My name is Chelsea, and I subscribed over the weekend to the list after reading your archives for a while. I must admit, I did not realise this was a mailing list for a specific person...in one of the zines I read (hi Rachel!), ecto was referred to as discussing female musicians. I also found the Ectophiles' Guide To Good Music, and many of the artists reviewed reflected my taste in music. Surprise of surprises when I got the List FAQs and realised it was a list devoted to Happy Rhodes! D'oh! It's not that I don't like Ms Rhodes -- I've heard a few songs of hers, and responded most favourably -- but I didn't realise this was a forum for discussing her. I needed a place to hang out because I feel like I've started to grow apart from Tori Amos (have been since BfP came out), and, since I have this great love of female voices, needed another forum to discuss my love. Ah well. You guys seem like a decent enough group of people for me to hang on, and maybe I'll purchase one of her records with my birthday money. Anyway, some artists I like. Lately, my turntable and CD player have been taken up with the playing of Mary Margaret O'Hara's _Miss America_ (this is pure music that you absorb through your pores instead of hearing with your ears), _The Good Earth_ by the Feelies (the sound of a lone tumbleweed traversing over the New Jersey Turnpike), and the sprawling soundscape that is Television's Marquee Moon, which I could never do justice by describing. My three favourite artists are Bob Mould (whose music changed my life), the divine Syd Straw, and the beauteous drone-pop of Galaxie 500. Others in the pantheon include the Magnetic Fields, Kristin Hersh, David Bowie, Yo La Tengo, Stereolab, Tsunami, Sleater-Kinney, Gang of 4, Beth Orton, Jonathan Richman, IDA!!!!, Richard Thompson, Sandy Denny, Luscious Jackson, Game Theory, the Beatles (_Rubber Soul_ and _Revolver_ especially), Scrawl...I hate making these lists because I always end up leaving someone out. But you get the idea -- sort of sitting on the gate between twee indie and heartfelt singer/songwriter. I'm looking forward to hearing new albums by Victoria Williams, Abra Moore, Mimi, the Kletter sisters and Jeff Buckley, since I turn 21 on Thursday and get some big money as a result... I'm presently employed at a temp job, working as a receptionist for a technical PR company. However, this is not what I do. In my real life I consider myself a writer -- both my parents worked for newspapers when I was a tyke, and I've been reading since I was two (!). Most of my writing has been zine stuff -- used to publish a zine about music and DIY culture called _Cinnamon Stick_, and the writing of mine that has cropped up on the web has been music criticism. I'm working on a full-length screenplay called _She Floated Away_ as we speak. My fave filmmakers are Nicholas Roeg and Hal Hartley (_Trust_ -- swoon!), and I love the writing of Virginia Woolf, Louise Fitzhugh, and Armistead Maupin (of _Tales of the City_ fame). That's about all the name-dropping I can muster from this end. Later, skaters... - --Chelsea - ---- Chelsea, the mod pixie tugboat@channel1.com "It's easier to fall in love when there's distance between hearts. Thank you for once loving me and letting me once love you." -- Thomas Lomaccio ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 19:54:37 -0500 From: Neile Graham Subject: Arvanitaki, Seely echo wrote: > i have a question: i have been looking for "the bodies and the >knives" >by eleftheria arvanitaki for about a year and a half and i cant find it > anywhere in north america, neither through special order nor the >larger chains (tower, etc). any recommendations on where i should next look? I picked my copy up at Borders, so it should be orderable anywhere. One thing, though, since it came out in the Latino label, sometimes it's filed in that section. Alternatively, there's a whole catalogue of Greek music only. I can't remember the name (Angelos, are you here?) but I think it has a website. It does have an 800 number, so you could phone the operative and ask for Greek Music & Video. Maybe they even have a website by now--I haven't looked. > since ive learned so much from your list just eavesdropping, here is >something i'd like to share with arrybody. if youre is a fan of american >indie or early not-so-moog stereolab sounds, you will probably enjoy Seely, a >very excellent band from atlanta with gear in your local record shop and an >exhilarating live show. stratospheric girl vocals (pale saints/cranes), >jangly >loops (trans am/galaxie 500), and high cocteau lyrics. plus they shake >some good >booty. Yes! I love Seely. Very like early _Peng!_-era Stereolab. Carol Coney mentioned them a couple of times when she was still on ecto. - --Neile - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ..... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ..... neile@sff.net The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music .... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 18:00:56 -0700 From: lanblind Subject: Re: ecto-digest V4 #150 Hi Ectoheads, from Cyoakha in SF..I love it so much I may move here and relocate LAND OF THE BLIND here also! Just saw Iva Bittova, amazing avant singer and viola/violin player!!!I highly recommend her music (Tower), she is Slovic, I believe. Anyone know more about her???ALso, I discovered a great singer called Pipa Pinon from Santa Cruz. Absolutely wonderful voice, a Happy Rhodes warm low voice all the way up to a Kate Bush pure high, mixed with Laurie Anderson's odd music and Jane Siberry's quirky lyrics!!!We talked long and hard about the list, my band and hers, and she is a wonderful delighful person also. I am writing up a review of her album and will send it into Ecto Guide, but it is so so so great, I could highly recommend anyone to get it. It is self produced but if you want one, let me know and I will get them from her and mail them myself to anyone on the list!!!Anyone in this area heard of her? Seen her? Do if you can, a true delight. I will call her soon and get ordering info but again, she is so unique!!!Let me know anyone if you have heard anything and or want an album, I will hook up with her and start helping her out in any way I can. In the meantime, wish me luck in moving to the big city and reforming THE BLIND. Our new 4 song ep comes out soon, it is great. We were planning to tour east and meet all of you, but do to internal problems and the move, it may not be in Sept. Thank you to all on this list that sent info on clubs! We still will come and will use it, I do appreciate it! Love, Cyoakha, Land o'Blind in San Francisco from Portland ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 20:16:39 -0500 (CDT) From: kerry white Subject: Jeff Buckley Hi, Jeff Buckley's mother is going to release his un-finished songs. See the article in Newsweek for June 1. Kerry R White ............................... ............................. zzkwhite@washburn.edu KTWU PBS TV kerrywhite@webtv.net Topeka KS ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 18:13:48 -0700 From: lanblind Subject: Re: ecto-digest V4 #156 Ok I feel so dum, while down here for a month scouting out SF for music and moves, I have not had access to a computer...so I just asked about Iva Bittova only to later collect my old mail and here how much you were all talking about her. OOOOPPPPPSSSSS...let's just say I am a blonde, OK? Glad to hear that all have heard of her and got to hear her...a friend gave me the CD a while back and I copied it since he brought it back from Europe and I thought it totally a find and then I get here, to SF and see she was playing! Amazing! So forgive my Blind, ha ha, raving, didn't realise, (I should have known with this list!!!) that she had been discovered! Go Joseph Zitt, I have to tour east just to meet you, I still laugh when I think of Albino Luicani as a huge hovercraft made of popcorn run by ex jews...you killed me good. Hope all are well, SF is a cornacopia of eclectic music after being in Portland, I am going to move here no matter what! Cyoakha, THE BLIND> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 17:47:43 +0200 From: Robert I Stewart Subject: RE: ecto-digest V4 #153 >Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 08:34:56 -0400 >From: "Suzanne Cerquone" >Subject: Jennifer Ferguson >>>I just received a copy of Jennifer Ferguson's "Hand Around the Heart" in >yesterday's mail......my mail carrier was impressed that it came all the >way from South Africa!<< >I'm new to Ecto by about a month or so, and would love to hear more about >this artist. Also, does anyone know if Maria McKee is planning on releasing >another record? A couple of ectophiles should have some information on Jennifer Ferguson. If anybody is interested, I have a copy of the CD (Hand Around the Heart) that I am looking to trade (I bought it to trade with someone else, but they haven't responded to me in months, so I guess the CD is up for grabs to whoever emails me first.) There seems to be a supply of her CD's in our local record stores, although a few years ago, it was tough to get any of her material, even here in South Africa. As far as I know, that is the only album released on CD, and I have not found any vinyl discs yet...but HAtH is very much a "best of" collection. Regards, Robert (who is 6 weeks into a new job in the big, bad corporate world, and so is *way* behind on ecto reading...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 22:46:32 -0400 From: meredith Subject: Re: minimalism Hi! This minimalism thread is bringing me back almost 10 years to my freshman year in college, and Introduction to Experimental Music, taught by the wonderful Alvin Lucier. The question of how to listen to experimental (or whatever you want to call it) music is one that we explored the entire semester, and I'm not sure I quite answered it satisfactorily, but I did have a lot of fun while I was at it. We spent quite a bit of time studying the works of Terry Riley, and in fact he world-premiered a new piece in class for us the day before he officially premiered it in the concert hall upstairs. Unfortunately I don't remember too much about it, except for an image of him sitting wild-haired at the front of the room, doing all sorts of odd things at a keyboard. The actual performance itself was quite odd, as I recall. Lucier also premiered a new work that night, and I can't remember if the thing involving all sorts of clocks in amplified boxes was his or Riley's (it was probably his). Joe Zitt added: >In a sense the spirit of those times was like the spirit of these: the >experience of those concerts was very much like aspects of Raves (do Raves >still happen? I'm out of touch...). I can't speak to the acid aspect, >other than to note that it was an aspect of both scenes. I understand that >one frequent aspect of tripping is the ability to focus in on extreme >details of things, whether or not they exist. In that case, yeah, it might >come in handy. Now there's an activity I *never* thought of in conjunction with minimalist music, but I guess there could be something to that. Weird. Chris Sampson weighed in: > I bought Einstein on the Beach when it first came out on CD (having >heard it off the vinyl a coupla years prior) and, for a brief panicky >period wondered, "Oh no! What have I done?!"... We spent a lot of time studying that piece in class. I *loved* it. > Oh, sure, you can play it as 'background' music (but then I can listen >to Prima Materia as 'background' music) but, intellectually and >spiritually, I find it to be rather focusing and clarifying. To this day, I still maintain that _Einstein On The Beach_ is the one and only reason I passed Physics. I would go into the audio library, where it was on reserve for people in the class and put it on while I struggled through my weekly problem sets. It helped clear my mind and focus me on what I was doing, and I couldn't even begin to work through the problem sets anywhere else. I had lots of weird dreams about trains all that semester, though. :) +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY: the Veda Hille mailing list *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V4 #166 **************************