From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V4 #161 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, May 23 1998 Volume 04 : Number 161 Today's Subjects: ----------------- New CDs [Juha Sorva ] Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Re: New CDs ["Jeffrey C. Burka" ] Re: New CDs [JavaHo ] Ida Bittova [Valerie Kraemer ] Chantal News. [Riphug ] Land of the Blind is FAMOUS! [Riphug ] Re: New CDs [Neile Graham ] Re: Genesis (was: New CDs) ["Bill" ] Re: Genesis (was: New CDs) [Juha Sorva ] Re: Genesis [Greg Dunn ] ADMIN: Thanks, and upcoming smoe.org downtime [Jeff Wasilko ] Re: Genesis (was: New CDs) [kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white)] re: Genesis ["J. Wermont" ] re: Genesis [Yngve Hauge ] Tori review at The War Against Silence [Neile Graham ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 08:50:50 +0300 (EEST) From: Juha Sorva Subject: New CDs Hello Ecto, Just made some CD purchases... comments on a couple of the more ectoish ones below. Veda Hille: Women in (E)motion - live Wow. This is good. I'm surprised at how much I like this record really... I was a bit apprehensive before buying it as descriptions of Veda Hille's music always seemed to mention jazz, and I definitely am not that fond of jazzy music in general - I admit to not understanding/feeling whatever it is one is supposed to understand/feel about it (besides, I have an inexplicable dislike for the sound of most wind instruments). But my worries about this album vanished in no time... The "Women in (E)motion" album is my first dose of Veda's music, but won't be the last. What can I say...Ecto has introduced another wonderful artist to me...."26 years"... speechless.... ("Stupid Polka" lives up to it's name, though, or maybe "silly" would be more like it.) Will have to find the other albums somewhere... Gjallarhorn: Ranarop (Call of the Sea Witch) This is (I think) the first and currently only album from this Finnish-Swedish folk music group. Some of the songs are traditional dances similar in composition to those recorded by Garmarna and Hedningarna for example, but Gjallarhorn's arrangements are more ethereal and purely acoustic. Some songs have been turned into mystical, acoustic soundscapes where the lead singer's (Jenny Wilhelms) voice harmonizes with a droning didgeridoo (which is used quite extensively and effectively on the album to complement their sound) and traditional Scandinavian instruments. The lyrics are mostly mythological, based on Norse tradition (one song in Finnish, the rest in Swedish). I must say I personally prefer Garmarna's heavier, gloomier (quite different) sound, but "Ranarop" is certainly worth checking out. Anybody else heard this? I seem to recall there is an article of some sort on Gjallarhorn at RootsWorld (www.rootsworld.com), but I didn't have time to read it before, and can not check now. Don't really know much about them. Juha just finished playing: Genesis: A Trick of the Tail Time for another fix of Veda now, I think... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 03:00:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************* Lisa Laane (Laane@cs.stanford.edu) ******************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Lisa Laane Tue May 22 1973 Gemini Jewel Kilcher Thu May 23 1974 The Gem Chandra Sriram Thu May 27 1971 Gemini Urs Stafford Thu May 31 1973 Give Way Perttu Yli-Krekola Thu June 02 1966 Kaksoset Alex Gibbs Thu June 08 1967 Betelgeuse Gleb Zverev Tue June 09 1964 Gemini Sonja Juchniewich Mon June 10 1963 Pegasus Joerg Plate Mon June 12 1967 Gemini Chris Montville Tue June 13 1978 Gemini Ectoplasm (original name) Mailing List Thu June 13 1991 Fuzzier blue Mark R. Susskind Wed June 15 1966 Gemini Mike Matthews Mon June 16 1969 Dr. Firewall Albert Philipsen Mon June 17 1968 Gemini Neal R. Copperman Thu June 17 1965 Gemini Susan Kay Anderson Tue June 17 1969 Gemini Ecto-The Mailing List Tue June 18 1991 Fuzzy blue Tracy Barber Mon June 18 1956 Gemini Greg Dunn Thu June 18 1953 + Paul Blair Thu June 18 1964 Objectivist David Lubkin Fri June 20 1958 OurLady Marisa Wood Fri June 20 1969 Gemini Cheri Villines Sun June 20 1965 Gemini-Pisces Ray Misra Sat June 20 1970 Gemini Nik Popa Sun June 22 1969 Cancer - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 06:28:51 -0400 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: New CDs Juha Sorva wrote: [a bunch of stuff about a couple of albums] > just finished playing: Genesis: A Trick of the Tail How curious. I don't think I've ever seen this mentioned in a n.p. on ecto, though there's cetainly been enough Genesis discussion over the years. Last night, as I was packing cd's for a trip, it ocurred to me that I hadn't heard ATotT for what feels like years, so I grabbed it. (inpsired partially, I suspect, by the fact that that line about "Ripples come and ripples go..." on the new Tori disc always makes me think of the song "Ripples" on the Genesis album) jeff np: _Flown This Acid World_, Peter Himmelman ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 06:48:38 EDT From: JavaHo Subject: Re: New CDs Juha mentions: << just finished playing: Genesis: A Trick of the Tail >> God I love that disc! One of my all-time faves. I'd love to hear Happy do "Entangled", btw (hint, hint---Kevin). I remember seeing Genesis in (I think) '79 at Pine Knob in Detroit. "Duke" had just been released. The show was basically the "Seconds Out" show with a little "Duke" set in the middle. I remember the highlight for me being "Dance On A Volcano" when Phil Collins sat behind his drum set, which was a mirror image of Chester Thompson's. I think Phil is the lefty of the two, but I can't remember for sure. Seeing the two of them playing their brains out in the middle of this incredible song in mirror image was astounding. Of course, it was only the second concert I'd ever seen, so maybe I was easily impressed. Or maybe not...:) Keep listening...Java ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 04:54:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Valerie Kraemer Subject: Ida Bittova I've been really intrigued by the discussion of Ida Bittova during the last few weeks. This is a review from today's (Friday, May 22) New York Times of a recent performance of hers at the knitting factory. In case this comes out with really strange line breaks, you can read the review at <> in the Arts section. - --Valerie Iva Bittova began her encore at the Knitting Factory on Tuesday night with a whistle. Hers was not the coy snippet of melody a cabaret singer might employ to set a casual mood, but a spit-producing wheeze amplified by a plastic noisemaker this Czech vocalist and violinist held between her lips. Ms. Bittova hummed and growled until the whistle produced several tones at once. She jokingly squeezed a squeaky rubber toy, but one couldn't help being amazed as well as amused by the variety -- and the depth -- of the sounds coming from these cheap instruments. By the time she picked up her violin and began another of her rambling, evocative ballads, Ms. Bittova, whose first New York appearance in eight years was a major event for fans of experimental music, had proved that art could be wrung from any handy source. Ms. Bittova, 39, represents a peculiarly Eastern European blend of tradition and modernity. Combining training in theater with the iconoclasm of Velvet Revolution-inspired rock and an abiding interest in native folk idioms, she developed a highly evocative style. She found allies on the international new music scene, including the guitarist Fred Frith and the cellist Tom Cora, who died last month and to whose memory she dedicated this show. Ms. Bittova is a true cosmopolitan, but she remains grounded in local expressions, and her own physicality. She takes on the role of the singer as town crier whose voice animates old myths and current news. Ms. Bittova's town is her self, ruled by the rhythms of sexuality, the flights of her imagination and the realities of modern social life. That she issues most reports in Czech hardly reduces their impact. Striding around the stage on Tuesday night, her voice ringing out without a microphone, Ms. Bittova took on many different voices: the unearthly growl of a vampire, the delicate peep of a girl, the operatic high notes of a fine lady, the grunts of a newborn calf. She sang from her head, her chest and her throat, and ranged just as far with her violin, hitting its back for percussion, plucking at its bridge and even playing it with a small stick, which produced a surprisingly dainty sound. The wind chimes, jingle bells and baby rattle she used as percussion further expanded her definition of what is musical. This stirring performance celebrated the release of Ms. Bittova's first American recording, a self-titled compilation on Nonesuch. Fans of such pop avant-gardists as Bjork should seek it out. Though labeled art music, Ms. Bittova's art does not appeal only to the higher instincts. Its wonderful sense of the gut makes it much more expansive. . . . . . . . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 08:46:13 EDT From: Riphug Subject: Chantal News. I can't remember if this was posted before......so just in case: <<...Radio Sonic will be presenting live concerts on CBC Radio Two, featuring Chantal Kreviazuk and the Philosopher Kings. Attend the concert in your own living room, by tuning in on the following dates. Chantal - Saturday, June 6 at 8:00 p.m. Eastern The Philosopher Kings - Saturday, June 13 at 8:00 p.m. Eastern Or listen online at http://www.radiosonic.com>> Jill :D ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 09:10:14 EDT From: Riphug Subject: Land of the Blind is FAMOUS! Hey! I was just shopping at CD Now and under the New Releases section I spotted Land of the Blind's "Out of the Chaos" for sale! Cyoakha is famous!!!!! If you haven't heard this album from our very own ecto-girl Cyoakha, you really should order it! Kudos! Jill :D ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 08:04:46 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: New CDs Juha Sorva wrote: >Veda Hille: Women in (E)motion - live >Wow. This is good. I'm surprised at how much I like this record really... Juha, if you like this you will LOVE her other albums. While I enjoy this disc I play her others far more often because it doesn't quite catch how amazing she is live (it hints at it) and so I far prefer her studio albums because of that. You've got some great listening coming up! - --Neile - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ..... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ..... neile@sff.net The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music .... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 10:42:32 -0700 From: "Bill" Subject: Re: Genesis (was: New CDs) On 98/05/22, at 3:57 AM, JavaHo wrote: >I remember seeing Genesis in (I think) >'79 at Pine Knob in Detroit. "Duke" had just been released. The show was >basically the "Seconds Out" show with a little "Duke" set in the middle. I >remember the highlight for me being "Dance On A Volcano" when Phil Collins sat >behind his drum set, which was a mirror image of Chester Thompson's. I think >Phil is the lefty of the two, but I can't remember for sure. Seeing the two of >them playing their brains out in the middle of this incredible song in mirror >image was astounding. Of course, it was only the second concert I'd ever seen, >so maybe I was easily impressed. Or maybe not...:) Bill makes a mental note to buy a Genesis CD or two... (of which, surprizingly, I have none, despite the fact that I have twenty-something Yes CDs, Yes being the "other" big band of that time). - - B. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 21:13:04 +0300 (EEST) From: Juha Sorva Subject: Re: Genesis (was: New CDs) On Fri, 22 May 1998, JavaHo wrote: > I'd love to hear Happy do "Entangled" A wish eagerly seconded. "Entangled" would be just the thing... > I remember seeing Genesis in (I think) '79 at Pine Knob in Detroit. > "Duke" had just been released. Well, I was three at the time so I don't have personal experience on this, but it says on the album that "Duke" was released in 1980, to be needlessly exact. I'm not really a huge Genesis fan myself, but I do find the occasional plunge in the land of the Squonks very enjoyable. Never heard the first three or four Genesis albums, are they worth getting? (I recall reading somewhere that they're somehow "premature"?) Juha n.p. The Sisters of Mercy: Wide Receiver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:33:27 -0500 (EST) From: Greg Dunn Subject: Re: Genesis "Bill said:" > > Bill makes a mental note to buy a Genesis CD or two... > > (of which, surprizingly, I have none, despite the fact that I have twenty-something Yes CDs, Yes being the "other" big band of that time). In spite of their general and disappointing decline from 1984-present, Genesis remains one of my fave bands. Their best works: (w/Peter Gabriel) Foxtrot Nursery Cryme Live Selling England By The Pound The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway (W/o Gabriel) A Trick of the Tail Seconds Out (w/o Hackett) Duke Three Sides Live Yeah, I omitted the other albums intentionally. :-) IMHO, Gabriel's departure wounded the band severely, though the much underrated Steve Hackett contributed some excellent work throughout his tenure, and shone brightest on the last few albums. The band's regrouping as a 3-piece forced them to change their focus in the studio, and they started down the path to pop which unfortunately led away from what I liked about the band. Oh well... - -- | Greg Dunn | Trust yourself; Trust Ivanova. | | GregDunn@aol.com | Anyone else -- shoot 'em. | | gregdunn@indy.net | CDR Susan Ivanova | | http://members.aol.com/gregdunn | | ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:45:44 -0400 From: Jeff Wasilko Subject: ADMIN: Thanks, and upcoming smoe.org downtime Hello: Let me start by thanking everyone who donated to the smoe.org fund drive. You've raised over $3500 at this point, and I really appreciate your support!!! Earlier this week I ordered the new hardware for smoe.org, which cost $4600 (drop me a note if you're interested in the technical specs on the new gear). It arrived today, and I'm taking a few days off work to get it set up and in production. At some point between Saturday and Tuesday, smoe.org will be shut down to install the new hardware. The downtime will probably be 4-6 hours. During the time we're off-line, mail will be queued up at my ISP so no mail will be lost. I'll send out another announcement once the new gear is online. Thanks again for your help! - -Jeff P.S. If you've been meaning to send in a check, Mike Connell is still accepting donations. Contact him at ducksoup@spectra.net for more info. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 13:40:02 -0500 From: "Owen L. Magee" Subject: Re: Genesis (was: New CDs) On Fri, May 22, 1998 at 09:13:04PM +0300, Juha Sorva wrote: > I'm not really a huge Genesis fan myself, but I do find the occasional > plunge in the land of the Squonks very enjoyable. Never heard the first > three or four Genesis albums, are they worth getting? (I recall reading > somewhere that they're somehow "premature"?) Ack! Premature?!? Who told you that? :) Anyway, yes, they are definitely worth getting. Well, except for the first one (_From Genesis to Revelation_) -- that one's for completists only. But the others -- _Trespass_, _Nursery Cryme_, _Foxtrot_, _Live_, _Selling England by the Pound_, and _The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway_ are all well worth getting. In case you don't know those are the Peter Gabriel-fronted Genesis albums. _Foxtrot_ is my personal favorite, but that may only be because that was my first Gabriel Genesis album. Sure, those first albums may have been rather silly sometimes lyrically (think "Without any reason, my body revolves" from _Lamb_), but musically they are all wonderful. And I certainly don't think the Collins-fronted Genesis could be considered any more mature. Owen n.p. -- Genesis, _Live_ (I actually brought all of the Gabriel Genesis albums to work recently when I got one of those strange cravings) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 14:14:14 -0500 From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: Re: Genesis (was: New CDs) Hi, I would start with Selling England By The Pound (*love* I Know What I Like [In Your Wardrobe]!) and no earlier, IMHO. KrW TV or not TV? That is the question. To suffer the lies of outrageous pitchmen, or to slit your throat with an electro-coated stainless steel blade? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 12:19:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Wermont" Subject: re: Genesis The other day I heard the song I Know What I Like (In My Wardrobe). (At least I think that's the title!) That was a real trip down memory lane... Which album is that song on? Thanks, Joyce ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 21:16:41 +0000 (GMT) From: Yngve Hauge Subject: re: Genesis On Fri, 22 May 1998, J. Wermont wrote: > The other day I heard the song I Know What I Like (In My Wardrobe). (At > least I think that's the title!) That was a real trip down memory lane... > Which album is that song on? I listened to Trespass yesterday and it remains my favorite even though Selling England By The Pound was my first Genesis album. Btw What happened to Mayhew anyway? Has he done anything after his short time in Genesis? - -- Yngve n.p Happy, Happy and Happy only n.r rereading classics ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 18:46:15 -0500 From: Neile Graham Subject: Tori review at The War Against Silence Hi, all-- I can't say enough about how amazing Glenn McDonald's (once a member of ecto) review of _from the choirgirl hotel_ is. Grab yourself some time, and send your browser over to his The War Against Silence review site, http://www.furia.com/twas/twas0173.html Highly recommended reading, and it captures much about the draw of Tori's work. - --Neile - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ..... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ..... neile@sff.net The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music .... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V4 #161 **************************