From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V4 #152 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, May 15 1998 Volume 04 : Number 152 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Capitol Ballroom directions? [Patrick Varker ] Rediscovering Happy [Marion Kippers ] Easy to find CD-stores in New York? (& Boston) [Marion Kippers ] Re: Rediscovering Happy ["jeffrey c. burka" ] Re: Jewel joins in the Ecto discussion [Neile Graham ] Re: Rediscovering Happy [Neile Graham ] Re: Rediscovering Happy ["Joseph S. Zitt" ] Re: Rediscovering Happy ["jeffrey c. burka" ] Re: Rediscovering Happy ["Joseph S. Zitt" ] Web-based used music server [Neile Graham ] Re: Web-based used music server [Riphug ] Re: Web-based used music server [Bill ] Announcement: New Christine Lavin mailing list [Sherlyn Koo ] Re: Rediscovering Happy ["Jeffrey C. Burka" ] Re: Rediscovering Happy [Neile Graham ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 03:00:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ********* Miss Megan Celia Koster (darkeyes@darkwing.uoregon.edu) ********* *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Miss Megan Celia Koster Sun May 14 1978 Taurus Michael Colford Wed May 16 1962 Taurus Christopher Boek Tue May 19 1970 Taurus Yngve Hauge Fri May 21 1971 Gemini Lisa Laane Tue May 22 1973 Gemini Jewel Kilcher Thu May 23 1974 The Gem Chandra Sriram Thu May 27 1971 Gemini Urs Stafford Thu May 31 1973 Give Way Perttu Yli-Krekola Thu June 02 1966 Kaksoset Alex Gibbs Thu June 08 1967 Betelgeuse Gleb Zverev Tue June 09 1964 Gemini Sonja Juchniewich Mon June 10 1963 Pegasus Joerg Plate Mon June 12 1967 Gemini Chris Montville Tue June 13 1978 Gemini Ectoplasm (original name) Mailing List Thu June 13 1991 Fuzzier blue - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 07:55:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Patrick Varker Subject: Capitol Ballroom directions? Could anyone (Neal?) help me with the location of the Capitol Ballroom in D.C.? I'm going up for the Bjork show tomorrow night and will be leaving early am tomorrow. Directions from 95N would be great! Thanks for any help. Patrick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 16:16:28 +0200 (W. Europe Daylight Time) From: Marion Kippers Subject: Rediscovering Happy Hi all, Some days ago Steve (VanDevender) wrote: > Another he said was an album with a 1998 copyright date, and while I > don't remember his half-remembered title it was reminiscent of _Many > Worlds are Born Tonight_. The record store sold him this album for > a mere $5 because they said it was a demo copy. > > I, of course, am flabbergasted. He stumbles onto a demo copy of > Happy's breathlessly awaited new album in Eugene, Oregon? Has > the universe gone mad? > [...] > So I should know next week. I'll report again when I know more. Is it just me or did I just miss any responses to this news? (I admit that I haven't read all digests yet...) I for one would love to know more about this! New music from Happy! :-) Steve, I hope you'll be able to report soon! Like the subjects says, I've been rediscovering Happy's music once again, listening on yet another 'level' (don't know how to describe that). It's been almost exactly 4 years now since I heard the first notes of "Feed the fire" on RhodeSongs, and I still remember that day as if it were yesterday. I always have at least one cd of hers in my wallet at work, or a sampler tape in my walkman... I think Happy is my favourite singer nowadays. And recently I've been compiling a sampler tape for Guida, who asked about Virginia Astley through the Ectophiles Guide some time ago. We found out we already knew each other from the Suzanne Vega list, and she told me she also likes Sarah, so when I had one more tape to fill for her and she told me she didn't know Happy, the choice was easy. Of course this sampler is biased towards my favourites and the songs I think Guida would like best, so the attention is mostly on Happy's quieter songs, and not so much on her darker side or more experimental / synthesised songs (of the first four albums particularly). For me, RhodeSongs is the best introduction one could wish to Happy's work. :-) I did try to include something from (almost) each album. While compiling this tape, I found that I really have grown to love Happy's lower voice as well over the years. I always appreciated her range of course, but at first I preferred her higher vocals, and found her lower voice - I don't know, a bit rough, or even sometimes scary I think. Now I just love her whole voice. Oh well, just rambling... In case anybody's interested, or if anybody would like to comment on my selection (feel free!), here's what I included on the 90 minute tape: Side A: 1. Feed the fire (from Warpaint & RhodeSongs) 2. The wretches gone awry (from Rhodes I & RhodeSongs - just noticed it says Rhodes II on the cover of RS??) 3. Ode (from Ecto & RhodeSongs) 4. I say (from Equipoise & RhodeSongs) 5. Save our souls (acoustic version) (from RhodeSongs, original version on Equipoise) 6. Omar (from Building the Colossus) 7. If so (from Ecto & RhodeSongs) 8. Ecto (from Ecto) 9. Project 499 (from Ecto) 10. All things (Mia ia io) (from Warpaint) 11. Lay me down (from Warpaint) Side B: 1. Collective heart (from Building the Colossus) 2. Temporary and eternal (from The keep, original version on Equipoise) 3. Summer (from RhodeSongs) 4. For we believe (from Rearmament) 5. Words weren't made for cowards (from Warpaint) 6. Possessed (from Rhodes I) 7. Oh the drears (from Rhodes I) 8. Out like a lamb (from Equipoise) 9. Just like Tivoli (from Building the Colossus) 10. Mother sea (from Equipoise) That's all... Best wishes, Marion n.p. Suzanne Vega - Days of open hand n.r. Mary Stewart - The chrystal cave p.r. just finished Keri Hulme - The bone people. Found it very moving (I was in tears a couple of times), and disturbing, but very wonderful and there's so much love in the whole story. I found I had to read it in Dutch because it was so strange, but I'll have to read it again in English sometime. If only because the Dutch translator translated "hobbit" with the Dutch word for dwarf, and left "Middle-earth" untranslated, so I feel she must have lost at least a part of the magic of the original... (missing those references to Tolkien made me wonder what else she might have missed). - ---------------------- Marion Kippers Marion.Kippers@wkap.nl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 16:27:03 +0200 (W. Europe Daylight Time) From: Marion Kippers Subject: Easy to find CD-stores in New York? (& Boston) Hi, A friend of mine is traveling to New York in a few weeks, and he's willing to look for cheap US cd's for me, if I provide him with suggestions for easy to find cd-stores for a tourist with not much time to go shopping. So, where else to ask but here? :-) Any tips and directions are appreciated! He'll also spend a few days in Boston but probably won't have time to go shopping there at all, but just in case he does, Boston addresses are welcome too. Thanks! Best wishes, Marion n.p. Suzanne Vega - Days of open hand n.r. Mary Stewart - The chrystal cave - ---------------------- Marion Kippers Marion.Kippers@wkap.nl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 09:50:48 -0500 (CDT) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: Easy to find CD-stores in New York? (& Boston) On Thu, 14 May 1998, Marion Kippers wrote: > A friend of mine is traveling to New York in a few weeks, and he's > willing to look for cheap US cd's for me, if I provide him with > suggestions for easy to find cd-stores for a tourist with not much > time to go shopping. So, where else to ask but here? :-) Any tips > and directions are appreciated! He'll also spend a few days in > Boston but probably won't have time to go shopping there at all, but > just in case he does, Boston addresses are welcome too. Thanks! For my NYC EWS attacks, I hit St. Marks Place (aka 8th Street) between 2nd and 3rd Avenues. Sounds, Kim's Music, and a couple of others are on the same block. About 5 blocks away at 4th and Lafayette, are the Tower Bargain outlet and Other Music. I also religiously hit Downtown Music Gallery on 6th St between 2nd and 3rd (or is it 3rd and 4th) Avenues--it tends more toward experimental/avant-garde/out music, but if that's what he's looking for, it's a good one. np. Robbie Robertson: Contact from the Underworld of Redboy nr. Ellen Ullman: Close to the Machine: Technophilia and its Discontents - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 11:15:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Neal Copperman Subject: Re: Capitol Ballroom directions? On Thu, 14 May 1998, Patrick Varker wrote: > Could anyone (Neal?) help me with the location of the Capitol Ballroom > in D.C.? I'm going up for the Bjork show tomorrow night and will be leaving > early am tomorrow. Directions from 95N would be great! Thanks for any help. I haven't been to the Ballroom since I had such a mediocre time the last time Bjork was there. I know roughly where it is, but not enough to give anyone directions. Here's a starting point though.... 1015 Half St, SE (1 block from the Navy Yard Metro) 202-554-1500 www.cellardoor.com Hope you have a better time than i did! Neal np: Esquival - Space Age Bachelor Pad Music ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:34:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "jeffrey c. burka" Subject: Re: Rediscovering Happy Marion sez: > Like the subjects says, I've been rediscovering Happy's music once > again, listening on yet another 'level' (don't know how to describe > that). Interestingly, I've been listening to Happy a lot recently too, mostly 1st4 stuff (inspired by Kevin's recent posts?) and a boot of the 3/92 QE2 show. They really are *spectacular*. One thing I find interesting is the level of improvement in the arrangements of the early stuff as performed in '92; I really wish we had a studio quality recording of those versions, with the band having had more time to practice together (or, for that matter, just the Kevin/Happy/Carl/Kelly band, which was very tight...). Even without the new arrangements, Happy's own interpretation of the melodies is better, with little swoops and swirls, where the original recordings were a bit monotonous in their delivery of otherwise spectacular melodies. It's just a matter of growing and learning, I suppose; the 1st4 were recorded when Happy was quite young! > While compiling this tape, I found that I really have grown to love > Happy's lower voice as well over the years. I always appreciated her > range of course, but at first I preferred her higher vocals, and found > her lower voice - I don't know, a bit rough, or even sometimes scary I > think. Now I just love her whole voice. Oh well, just rambling... I remember the shock of hearing _Warpaint_ for the first time, after so many months of listening to the 1st4. But her low ranger is wonderful (as I already knew from "Crystal Orbs," "Beat it Out," and others), and the songwriting on _Warpaint_ is so strong ("Words Weren't Made for Cowards" is amongst my favorite songs), that it was hard not to fall in love with it. jeff n.p. _The Covenant_, Wally Brill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:21:01 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: Jewel joins in the Ecto discussion Alan quoted Jewel: >All I can do, which is what I do >on my record as well, is be as honest as I can. The rest is bullshit. Amen. And that's the best thing she's got going for her. Of course, you can discuss craft and sophistication and the impossibility of honesty forever, but she tries and you can sense her intent. That's important. - --Neile - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ..... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ..... neile@sff.net The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music .... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 08:39:02 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: Rediscovering Happy Marion Kippers wrote: Steve wrote: >> I, of course, am flabbergasted. He stumbles onto a demo copy of >> Happy's breathlessly awaited new album in Eugene, Oregon? Has >> the universe gone mad? >Is it just me or did I just miss any responses to this news? Of course, we're breathelssly awaiting Steve's report! >Like the subjects says, I've been rediscovering Happy's music once >again, listening on yet another 'level' (don't know how to describe >that). Isn't it amazing how that happens? I'm going through that with Tori now and her new album--it has kind of redefined how I look at the other albums. I still like the messy _Boys for Pele_ best, but I'm really enjoying this. I'm growing more and more surprised by the people who still like _Little Earthquakes_ best--it's seems almost immature compared to her later work. Certainly less nuanced and less faceted (of course in comparison to most other artists--not the ecto goddesses of course--even _LE_ was lightyears more mature and nuanced). Anyway, it has been a while since I rediscovered Happy. I probably should do that. >And recently I've been compiling a sampler tape for Guida, who asked >about Virginia Astley through the Ectophiles Guide some time ago. Isn't it amazing how much mail about Virginia Astley the Guide has generated? I still get more mail about her than other artists, though her's isn't the busiest page on the Guide. >While compiling this tape, I found that I really have grown to love >Happy's lower voice as well over the years. I always appreciated her >range of course, but at first I preferred her higher vocals, and found >her lower voice - I don't know, a bit rough, or even sometimes scary I >think. Now I just love her whole voice. Oh well, just rambling... Listening to Happy's high voice harmonizing with her lower range has to be one of the most exquisite things on earth. I think if I manage to hear her voice live I won't recover. >p.r. just finished Keri Hulme - The bone people. Found it very >moving (I was in tears a couple of times), and disturbing, but very >wonderful and there's so much love in the whole story. This is probably my favourite novel ever. I've read it three times, and each time it affected me just as deeply. No simplistic answers here. Each time I've read it, though, the end seemed more definitely transcendent. >I found I had >to read it in Dutch because it was so strange, but I'll have to read >it again in English sometime. Yes, the language takes quite a bit to get into, even for me, a native speaker/reader. Once past the initial problems, though, it got easier. I hope you might have the same experience. >If only because the Dutch translator >translated "hobbit" with the Dutch word for dwarf, and left >"Middle-earth" untranslated, so I feel she must have lost at least a >part of the magic of the original... (missing those references to >Tolkien made me wonder what else she might have missed). Erk, yes. It's so easy to miss this kind of stuff in translations! - --Neile - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ..... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ..... neile@sff.net The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music .... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 10:46:13 -0500 (CDT) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: Rediscovering Happy On Thu, 14 May 1998, jeffrey c. burka wrote: > n.p. _The Covenant_, Wally Brill Ah, someone else knows this CD! I got it after hearing the track on "Festival of Light", and really enjoyed it -- but then, I'm just a sucker for Cantorial trip-hop :-) Have you heard any of the possibly-similar stuff on the Rawkus label? I've seen it at Tower/DC, but don't know if it's worth getting. - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 12:37:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "jeffrey c. burka" Subject: Re: Rediscovering Happy On Thu, 14 May 1998, Joseph S. Zitt wrote: > On Thu, 14 May 1998, jeffrey c. burka wrote: > > > n.p. _The Covenant_, Wally Brill > > Ah, someone else knows this CD! I got it after hearing the track on > "Festival of Light", and really enjoyed it -- but then, I'm just a sucker > for Cantorial trip-hop :-) I first heard "Kiddush Le-Shabbat" on _Festival of Light_ too, but honestly didn't pay too much attention at the time, other than "Hunh. Weird." But then I picked up Jewish Alternative Movement's _A Guide for the Perplexed_, which has "The Secret of the Sabbath" and fell instantly in love; it's one of my favorite tracks on the disc (along with David Krakauer's Klezmer Madness' "Gasn Nign"). Having determined that I *had* to get _The Covenant_, I ended up going to three or four cd shops yesterday before finding it at the downtown Borders. (for those wondering what we're talking about, it's a disc of early 20th century cantoral recordings (jewish liturgical singing), taken off 78's and, er...enhanced...with trip-hop/dub/ambient/worldbeat arrangements. Lots of great violin, guitars 'n loops by David Torn, and so forth. Very cool recording, but not for everyone) > Have you heard any of the possibly-similar stuff on the Rawkus label? I've > seen it at Tower/DC, but don't know if it's worth getting. Nope -- this is the first such disc I've even come across, though I'd love to find out about more. I was poking around on the web last night and found Brill's site (think it was www.sirius.com/~covenant), where he talks about some of his upcoming projects. jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:00:09 -0500 (CDT) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: Rediscovering Happy On Thu, 14 May 1998, jeffrey c. burka wrote: > But then I picked up Jewish Alternative Movement's _A Guide for the > Perplexed_, which has "The Secret of the Sabbath" and fell instantly in > love; it's one of my favorite tracks on the disc (along with David > Krakauer's Klezmer Madness' "Gasn Nign"). Ah! As it happens, I'm listening to that now. I think my faves are the Gary Lucas, Andy Haas, and Judith Sloan tracks. A lot of these performers played the Knitting Factory Lincoln Center CyberSeder, some doing the same pieces (I recall Sloan and Steve Dallechinsky in particular performing their tracks from this CD). > > Have you heard any of the possibly-similar stuff on the Rawkus label? I've > > seen it at Tower/DC, but don't know if it's worth getting. > > Nope -- this is the first such disc I've even come across, though I'd love > to find out about more. You might check out the Radical Jewish Culture series on the Tzadik label (though that tends more to the out-jazz side of things than the trip-hop). Avoid at all costs the Mystic Fugu Orchestra's "Zohar", which is an EP of John Zorn and Y. Eye shrieking over cantorial 78s. - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 13:47:42 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Web-based used music server Hey, on Usenet I just found that this service exists. Check out http://cygnus.uwa.edu.au/~cpudney/usedmusic/ I still think an ecto one is a good idea, though. - --Neile - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ..... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ..... neile@sff.net The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music .... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 18:41:46 EDT From: Riphug Subject: Re: Web-based used music server In a message dated 5/14/98 5:45:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, neile@sff.net writes: << Hey, on Usenet I just found that this service exists.............. I still think an ecto one is a good idea, though. >> Yeah, I think I'd rather just keep it to ecto.......I trust you all more than the Average Joe Blow out there on the internet....... I just received a copy of Jennifer Ferguson's "Hand Around the Heart" in yesterday's mail......my mail carrier was impressed that it came all the way from South Africa! And I also found a copy of Project Lo's "Black Canvas" at Borders -- much to my surprise -- and am truly enjoying it. Ectophiles are the best! ;-) Jill :D (wondering who mentioned Jennifer Ferguson in the first place) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 16:11:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Bill Subject: Re: Web-based used music server On Thu, 14 May 1998, Riphug wrote: > Yeah, I think I'd rather just keep it to ecto.......I trust you all more than > the Average Joe Blow out there on the internet....... Okay, I'll set something up... ... once I get some home time again. - - Bill. np: Obnoxious airport PA announcements. nr: A telnet session from an airport Internet kiosk. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 07:38:48 +1000 From: Sherlyn Koo Subject: Announcement: New Christine Lavin mailing list Announcing planet-x, the Christine Lavin mailing list! It's about time. :) To subscribe to the bounce version of the list, send the following command in the body of an email message to majordomo@smoe.org: subscribe planet-x (replace "" with your real email address, minus the quotes and brackets). For the digest, issue this command instead, in exactly the same way: subscribe planet-x-digest Or for more information, send this command to majordomo@smoe.org: info planet-x I hope to see some of you there! Please feel free to pass this message on. Thanks to Tom Mangano and Sylvia Lavin, and to Jeff Wasilko, as always... All the best, sherlyn =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Sherlyn Koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "I want to be a mysterious woman..." - Christine Lavin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 23:09:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Curry Subject: Mila Drumke update - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 14 May 1998 23:43:33 -0500 From: Mila Drumke To: miladrumke@littlepro.com Subject: FAN MAIL "I keep listening to Illinois. It's great. I was expecting a nice, but folky homemade record." --Another happy customer Expect the unexpected... MILA DRUMKE AT ARLENE GROCERY SATURDAY, MAY 16 @ 9 95 STANTON B/W LUDLOW AND ORCHARD, NYC Don't miss Sean Altman at 8. Sean and Mila are going to sing a duet. Thanks for your support, Little Pro Records  For a complete listing of upcoming dates, see http://home.earthlink.net/~miladrumke/dates.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 00:48:22 -0400 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: Rediscovering Happy Neile speculates: > Listening to Happy's high voice harmonizing with her lower range has to be > one of the most exquisite things on earth. I think if I manage to hear her > voice live I won't recover. Well, the one downside to seeing Happy live is that you don't get to hear her sing in both registers at the same time. On the other hand, we've (almost) always had the pleasure of hearing her harmonize with Kelly Bird, and frankly, that's the next best thing. (we'll just gloss over hearing her harmonize with Caryn Lin... ;-) As for seeing her live, well, let me just say that (a) it's definitely something from which one needs to recover and (b) you quickly realize that you have to recover, if only for the joy of seeing her yet again. (just imagine how fun it's been at the Bottom Line when we've gotten to see her do two sets in the same evening!) jeff np silence! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 00:07:05 -0500 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: Rediscovering Happy I wrote: >> Listening to Happy's high voice harmonizing with her lower range has to be >> one of the most exquisite things on earth. I think if I manage to hear her >> voice live I won't recover. Jeffrey C. Burka wrote: >Well, the one downside to seeing Happy live is that you don't get to hear >her sing in both registers at the same time. What, you mean she can't do that live? How does she do it in the studio then? ;> >On the other hand, we've >(almost) always had the pleasure of hearing her harmonize with Kelly >Bird, and frankly, that's the next best thing. I've been hoping that she'll have Kelly Bird when she tours after the new album--their voices work so well, from what I can tell it would be the next best thing to there being two Happys. But it sounds as though she won't settle for someone less than as good as Kelly. (Did that sentence parse?) - --Neile n.p. My Scarlet Life _Buzzbomb_ Not my fav. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ..... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ..... neile@sff.net The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music .... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V4 #152 **************************