From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V4 #110 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, April 9 1998 Volume 04 : Number 110 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [Mike Matthews ] Re: Jewel Item [ABershaw ] Re: Michael KaTemen [charley ] Re: Michael KaTemen ["Jeffrey C. Burka" ] Re: Michael KaTemen [Chris Sampson ] Re: Jewel Item [Neile Graham ] collective terms [David Dixon ] Re: collective terms [Chris Sampson ] Re: collective terms [Chris Sampson ] Re: collective terms ["Joseph S. Zitt" ] Re: collective terms ["J. Wermont" ] collective terms -Reply [Christopher Gagnon ] Re: Michael KaTemen [charley ] Re: collective terms [charley ] Re: collective terms [Chris Sampson ] Re: collective terms ["Anthony Kosky" ] Re: Me and Sarah/A Day in the life of Lisa Loeb [jjh969@juno.com] Sorry! [Heather Russell ] Dear Enemy [Heather Russell ] NJC: Steve Poltz European Tour Dates ["Larry S. Greenfield" ] More Kristen Hersh [woj spice ] Ani Opener Question [meredith ] Re: Jewel item [Riphug ] Re: Ani Opener Question ["Jeffrey C. Burka" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 03:00:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Matthews Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ************************ Heidi Heller (ho@his.com) ************************ *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Heidi Heller Mon April 08 1974 Aries Jill Hughes Sat April 09 1955 Aries Klaus Kluge Sun April 10 1960 Unicorn Steve VanDevender Sun April 10 1966 Racer Art Liestman Fri April 10 1953 Repeat Stephen Golden Sat April 10 1971 Jokey Michael Bowman Wed April 11 1962 Aries Wolfgang Ullwer Fri April 11 1969 Widder Janet Kirsch Thu April 11 1974 Aries Jerry Tue April 13 1971 Aries Stuart Myerburg Mon April 14 1969 Aries T-Bone Wed April 15 1992 happy cat Jeff Hanson Sat April 16 1966 Aries Michael Klouda Mon April 17 1967 Aries Harry Foster Sat April 21 1956 NiceGuy Angelos Kyrlidis Fri April 22 1966 Taurus Kjetil Torgrim Homme Thu April 23 1970 Taurus Pablo Iglesias Thu April 23 1964 Positive Jeff Burka Thu April 24 1969 GoFlyAKite Christine Waite Tue April 25 1972 Taurus Matt Adams Thu April 26 1962 Taurus Brad Hutchinson Tue April 28 1964 What sign? Geoff Parks Sun April 30 1961 Taurus Barney Parker Fri May 02 1986 happy cat Gray Abbott Tue May 03 1955 Suprised Tamar Boursalian May 03 Taurus Joe Dembski Wed May 07 1952 Rumple Richard A. Holmes May 07 Taurus John Warren Mon May 08 1961 Taurus - the Ox Steve Ito Fri May 08 1970 DA Bull... - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:52:26 EDT From: ABershaw Subject: Re: Jewel Item Hi all, I'm amazed at how far various Jewel "rumors" are travelling. Obviously, "The Press" is very desperate for something to write about these days. Mike was correct in his post. Jewel doesn't even know Jean Claude Van Damme. You will continue to hear this rumor though, because it made the wire services & radio stations worldwide jumped on this story spreading it far & wide. I figure I might as well "squash the other ridiculous rumor" here, while this topic is timely. There have also been reports of the manufacturing of a set of "Lilith Fair Dolls". Supposedly, Jewel's comes complete with a van to live in, LOL! While I can't speak for other Lilith performers, I can assure you that "the Jewel doll" story is nothing more than another ridiculous rumor. (but a funny one!) I'll simply end with the same thing I wrote to the Jewel lists weeks ago: Its just press. Not to be confused with real. Alan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:26:04 -0500 From: charley Subject: Re: Michael KaTemen Jeffrey C. Burka wrote: > > or something like that. > .................................... > > nr *still* _A Confederacy of Dunces_, John Kennedy Toole > (but hey, at least I finally finished re-reading Feinberg's > _Spontaneous Combustion_! What a depressing book. ) . . . but not _nearly_ as depressing as _A_Confederacy_of_Dunces_. - --Charley n.r. _Delirium_ by Douglas Cooper: "The Sea comes into view, a steaming grey expanse breathing salt into the air. A mist of condensation mingles with the dust on the surface of the window and the landscape is refracted through a filthy lens of tears." n.p. Stump: _A_Fierce_Pancake_: The broken tablets had been mended The golden calf had been up-ended And old folk sitting round the fire Would talk of voices from the sky Babies sailing down the Nile The recipe for locust pie A hundred thousand frogs per mile We'd always ask them to describe How Charlton Heston put his vest on ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 10:26:51 -0400 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: Michael KaTemen I said: > > nr *still* _A Confederacy of Dunces_, John Kennedy Toole > > (but hey, at least I finally finished re-reading Feinberg's > > _Spontaneous Combustion_! What a depressing book. ) And Charley replied: > . . . but not _nearly_ as depressing as _A_Confederacy_of_Dunces_. To be honest, I think when I said "depressng" I was referring more to the death of Feinberg in '94, the fact that it's now '98, and having to muddle through the last chapter of the book, "After the Cure: 1996." jeff np: the radio! - -- |Jeffrey C. Burka | moving to jburka@cqi.com -- come say hi | |http://www.cqi.com/~jburka | at the new digs...now up and running! | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 10:48:42 -0400 From: Chris Sampson Subject: Re: Michael KaTemen > > nr *still* _A Confederacy of Dunces_, John Kennedy Toole > > (but hey, at least I finally finished re-reading Feinberg's > > _Spontaneous Combustion_! What a depressing book. ) What are these grammatical constructions called? A while back there came a book: "An Exultation of Larks" For some reason we get frequent mailings from Catholic Charities Enclosed please find a picture of The Pope 'In honor of the Papal Visit' (To Cuba?) Two hang on our refrigerator: 'An Infallibility of Popes'? Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:15:43 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: Jewel Item At 8:52 AM -0400 4/8/98, ABershaw wrote: >Hi all, > I'm amazed at how far various Jewel "rumors" >are travelling. Obviously, "The Press" is very desperate >for something to write about these days. It strikes me that this was someone's April Fool's joke that just Will Not Die. - --Neile - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ..... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ..... neile@sff.net The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music .... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 17:19:46 +0100 From: David Dixon Subject: collective terms At 10:48 AM 4/8/98 -0400, you wrote: >> > nr *still* _A Confederacy of Dunces_, John Kennedy Toole >> > (but hey, at least I finally finished re-reading Feinberg's >> > _Spontaneous Combustion_! What a depressing book. ) > > > What are these grammatical constructions called? > A while back there came a book: "An Exultation of Larks" Exaltation. I think these are simply called "collective terms." Some of my favorites are: a smack of jellyfish a crash of rhinoceroses (not "rhinoceri") a murder of ravens (or crows) There's a bunch more at http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~lizzie/html/collect.htm D^2 (A rearmament of ectophiles?) ====================================================================== David Dixon (D^2) dixon@qt.tn.tudelft.nl Department of Applied Physics, Delft University of Technology TWBM: "Thorough physicists dot all their i's and cross all their h's." ====================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 13:14:57 -0400 From: Chris Sampson Subject: Re: collective terms and... of course... a comedy of errors Chris (again) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 13:12:50 -0400 From: Chris Sampson Subject: Re: collective terms David Dixon wrote: > Exaltation. I think these are simply called "collective terms." Some of > my favorites are: > > a smack of jellyfish > a crash of rhinoceroses (not "rhinoceri") > a murder of ravens (or crows) exAltation! DOH! I knew that... really... I thought it was a parliament of crows (or ravens). > There's a bunch more at http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~lizzie/html/collect.htm Of course! What's not on the web?! > (A rearmament of ectophiles?) That'd be my guess... Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:51:16 -0500 (CDT) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: collective terms On Tue, 3 Mar 1998, David Dixon wrote: > At 10:48 AM 4/8/98 -0400, you wrote: > Exaltation. I think these are simply called "collective terms." Some of > my favorites are: (snip) > (A rearmament of ectophiles?) If the term is "collective", it would be a "heart" of ectophiles :-) ("Rearmament is futile. You will be equipoised." :-]) - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:18:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Wermont" Subject: Re: collective terms >> What are these grammatical constructions called? >> A while back there came a book: "An Exultation of Larks" > > Exaltation. I think these are simply called "collective terms." I've heard this construction referred to as "terms of venery." Joyce ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 14:26:58 -0400 From: Christopher Gagnon Subject: collective terms -Reply Actually, I think it's "an unkindness of ravens." Murder is just for crows. I like "a bevy of beauties" >>> David Dixon 03/03/98 11:19am >>> At 10:48 AM 4/8/98 -0400, you wrote: >> > nr *still* _A Confederacy of Dunces_, John Kennedy Toole >> > (but hey, at least I finally finished re-reading Feinberg's >> > _Spontaneous Combustion_! What a depressing book. ) > > > What are these grammatical constructions called? > A while back there came a book: "An Exultation of Larks" Exaltation. I think these are simply called "collective terms." Some of my favorites are: a smack of jellyfish a crash of rhinoceroses (not "rhinoceri") a murder of ravens (or crows) There's a bunch more at http://www.users.dircon.co.uk/~lizzie/html/collect.htm D^2 (A rearmament of ectophiles?) ====================================================================== David Dixon (D^2) dixon@qt.tn.tudelft.nl Department of Applied Physics, Delft University of Technology TWBM: "Thorough physicists dot all their i's and cross all their h's." ====================================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 13:35:04 -0500 From: charley Subject: Re: Michael KaTemen Chris Sampson wrote: > > > > nr *still* _A Confederacy of Dunces_, John Kennedy Toole > > > (but hey, at least I finally finished re-reading Feinberg's > > > _Spontaneous Combustion_! What a depressing book. ) > > What are these grammatical constructions called? > A while back there came a book: "An Exultation of Larks" > > For some reason we get frequent mailings from Catholic Charities > Enclosed please find a picture of The Pope 'In honor of the Papal > Visit' > (To Cuba?) > > Two hang on our refrigerator: 'An Infallibility of Popes'? > > Chris Actually, the title of _A_Confederacy_of_Dunces_ does not refer to a collective noun; rather, it suggests a _confederacy_-- "a collective body of persons . . . connected by league" --that is made up entirely of dunces, like a conspiracy of wackos or a government of your peers. - --Charley n.r. NPR -- a discussion on the destruction of small, local businesses by huge national chains, a favorite subject of controversy here on Ecto. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 13:43:23 -0500 From: charley Subject: Re: collective terms J. Wermont wrote: > > >> What are these grammatical constructions called? > >> A while back there came a book: "An Exultation of Larks" > > > > Exaltation. I think these are simply called "collective terms." > > I've heard this construction referred to as "terms of venery." > > Joyce Yes; meaning terms of "the hunt," if I remembber right. I used to have a book called _An_Exaltation_of_Larks_ that contained hundreds of these terms. - --charley ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 14:46:09 -0400 From: Chris Sampson Subject: Re: collective terms J. Wermont wrote: > I've heard this construction referred to as "terms of venery." Thank you... I knew it wasn't as simple as 'collective'... I've just been visiting somebody's Venereal Page (pun intended, no doubt) at: http://paul.merton.ox.ac.uk/language/ Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 11:52:41 -0700 From: "Anthony Kosky" Subject: Re: collective terms Chris Sampson wrote: > > > I thought it was a parliament of crows (or ravens). > I believe it's "a parliament of rooks". Murder is right for crows, not ravens. I think "unkindness of ravens" sounds familiar, albeit rather odd. I believe ravens are solitary birds, so I suppose there wouldn't be much call for it. - -Anthony ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:30:00 -0400 From: jjh969@juno.com Subject: Re: Me and Sarah/A Day in the life of Lisa Loeb Chuck wrote: >>You must be right behind Joe and I! We had to be in Manhattan for a Tara MacLean appearance at EMI's offices (she didn't show up because of a sore throat!) and stopped at Radio City to get tickets. There were only 2 people ahead of me and we ended up getting row PP dead center.<< I'm in Row PP seat 413. Too close for comfort ? Any plans for an Ecto rendezvous before or after ? John ************************************************************************** Paradise Sound The Sound Choice For Choice Sound http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/triadmedia/sound.htm ParadiseSound@juno.com _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 20:50:32 -0400 From: Heather Russell Subject: Sorry! I don't know how many times my "dear enemy" post went to ecto - my mail server was having problems today, so sorry if there lots of dupes! :-S heather - -- |**************************************************| | Heather Russell | | My music site: http://www.freecloud.com/heather | | hrussell@bellsouth.net | |__________________________________________________| "What fun is it being 'cool' if you can't wear a sombrero?" - Calvin and Hobbes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 20:49:13 -0400 From: Heather Russell Subject: Dear Enemy > - DANA & KAREN KLETTER (Dana sang backup on Hole's Live Through This) > - Dear Enemy (Rykodisc) And one of the bands I'm in (The Mending Wall) will be opening up for them at their CD release party Friday, April 17 in Chapel Hill at The Cave! I highly recommend the Kletter's album. You can check out Mending Wall at http://www.unc.edu/~gumption/tmw.html. :-) heather - -- |**************************************************| | Heather Russell | | My music site: http://www.freecloud.com/heather | | hrussell@bellsouth.net | |__________________________________________________| "What fun is it being 'cool' if you can't wear a sombrero?" - Calvin and Hobbes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 19:29:06 -0700 From: "Larry S. Greenfield" Subject: NJC: Steve Poltz European Tour Dates The following are Steve Poltz's European tour dates: April 16 Acoustic Cafe 8:30 pm London April 17 Covent Gardens 6:00 pm London Acoustic Busking Tent April 18 12 Bar 8:45 pm London ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 15:18:34 From: meredith Subject: Latest Nields Tour Dates Hi! I figure this will be of interest to some: >THE NIELDS TOUR SCHEDULE >Updates: 413-247-0350 >http://pobox.com/~nields > >4/8, Lawrence University, Appleton, WI, 920-832-6749 >4/9, The Rave, Milwaukee, WI, 414-342-7283 >4/10, Barrymore Theatre, Madison, WI, 608-241-8633 >4/12, Mississippi Nights, St. Louis, MO, 314-421-3853 >4/17, RPI McNeil Room, Troy, NY, 518-276-6505 >4/18, Homegrown Coffeehouse, Needham, MA, 781-444-7478 >4/19, The Turning Point, Piermont, NY, 914-359-1089 >5/1, The Studio, Pittsfield, MA, 413-448-2156 >5/2, Amherst College, Amherst, MA, 413-542-5773 >5/3, Bryn Mawr College, Bryn Mawr, PA (closed) >5/9, Mulcahy's, Wantagh, NY >5/10, Xhale, Frederick, MD >5/16, Smith Opera House, Geneva, NY, 315-781-3512 >5/22, The Handlebar, Greenville, SC, 864-233-6173 >5/24, Cat's Cradle, Carrboro, NC, 919-967-9053 >5/25, American Music Festival, Washington, DC >5/28, Wetlands, New York, NY, 212-966-4225 >5/29, Hot Tin Roof, Martha's Vineyard, MA, 508-693-1137 >6/4, Big Kahuna, DE >6/5, Rosebud, Pittsburgh, PA, 412-261-2232 >6/14, Central Park Concert Series, Schenectady, NY >6/19, Columbia Festival of the Arts, Columbia, MD, 410-715-3044 >6/20, Bridgeton Folk Festival, Bridgeton, NJ, 609-451-4620 >6/21, Clearwater Hudson River Revival, Valhalla, NY, 800-67-SLOOP >6/25, Stone Coast Brewery, Portland, ME, 207-773-2337 >6/27, One World One Heart Festival, Warren, VT >7/2, Wolf Trap, Vienna, VA, 703-218-6500 >7/4, Arts Celebration, Salem, MA >7/8, Art In The Park, South Orange, NJ, 201-378-7754 >7/9, Winnipeg Folk Festival, Winnipeg, MB, 204-231-0096 >7/18, Bushnell Park Pavillion, Hartford, CT, 860-247-0998 >7/22-23, Left Bank Cafe, Blue Hill, ME, 207-374-2201 >7/25, Falcon Ridge Folk Festival, Hillsdale, NY, 860-364-0366 >8/1, Levitt Pavilion, Westport, CT, 203-221-4422 >8/9, Harbourfront Centre, Toronto, ON, 416-973-3000 >8/13, Ice House, Bethlehem, PA >9/4, Trinity College, Hartford, CT, 860-297-2050 >9/10, Hamilton College, Clinton, NY, 315-859-4515 >9/22, Harper College Quad, Palatine, IL, 847-925-6242 +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 22:45:58 -0400 From: woj spice Subject: More Kristen Hersh >Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 15:44:27 -0700 (PDT) >From: griffith >To: Free Cheese >Subject: More Kristen Hersh >Reply-To: griffith > > >FYI > >Kristen Hersh will be performing on KCRW tomorrow (04/09) night. I >believe she will be on the air at 11:00pm West Coast. She is a guest on >the program "Brave New World" hosted by Tricia Halloran (the show runs >from 10:00pm to midnight with the musical guest joining in at 11:00pm). > >For those of you with the technology, point your browsers to www.kcrw.org >tomorrow night. KCRW broadcasts live over the internet 24 hours a day. >They also have a web cam (it is linked to the icon that is labled >something like "How Radio Looks Now"). > >I guess you can't get much more than that... > > >griffith > >= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = >Griffith Davies hbrtv219@csun.edu > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 16:33:07 From: meredith Subject: Ani Opener Question Hi! So this Saturday a bunch of us are going to see Ani DiFranco here in New Haven, and our tickets say that Chris Brown & Kate Fenner are opening. I've never heard of these folks -- anybody here have any insight? Does this need to be another one of those "tarry a bit longer at Cafe Addulis and blow off the opening set" shows, or should we make sure to get there on time? For that matter, is anybody else going to this show? If so drop me a line and we can arrange to meet up. woj, myself, JeffW and Mike Curry (a.k.a. The Usual Suspects ;) will be there... +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY, the Veda Hille mailing list: *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 23:04:23 EDT From: Riphug Subject: Re: Jewel item In a message dated 4/7/98 4:24:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Paul2k@aol.com writes: << I got a 4-song promo of Emma Townshend from work and i really like it...reminds me of Rebecca Timmons and a little Chantal more than Tori...one of the songs on it uses text from some poet or author who's copyright is held by Amherst College :) I really like Emma's voice...it doesn't have a pop- singer's quality to it...i can't quite place it, but it sounds like it would be more at home in a musical... >> I bought Emma Townshend's CD last weekend and finally was able to listen to it on my long drive up to Michigan. I really thought she sounded kind of like a combination of Tori Amos (probably because of the piano tinklings) and Veda Hille. Her voice has a certain quality to it that I can't describe as *raspiness*, but maybe *dustiness* -- if you have any idea at all what I might mean. ;-) Emma's songs seem rather....ummmm....scrambled (?)......meaning the kind you don't just pick up and sing along easily with -- many of Tori's and Veda's songs strike me the same way. Jill :D ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 23:23:43 -0400 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: Ani Opener Question meth admits: > Couldn't wait two days? As a kid, I *detested* coconut. Made Pesach an unpleasant time for deserts (at least at the homes of folks too lazy to do any decent baking). Of course, it could have been worse; I could have been like my brother, deathly allergic to the stuff. Now I like coconut, but I know how to cook, too. ;-) jeff - -- |Jeffrey C. Burka | moving to jburka@cqi.com -- come say hi | |http://www.cqi.com/~jburka | at the new digs...now up and running! | ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V4 #110 **************************