From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V4 #57 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, February 18 1998 Volume 04 : Number 057 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Charlie Verne [kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white)] Re: Memories... [Marion Kippers ] Re: Memories... [Riphug@aol.com] Re: Memories... [Michael Colford ] Embarrassing 1st records not/But stupidity nonetheless! [ABershaw@aol.com] Re: Memories... ["Joseph S. Zitt" ] Re: note for the sf fans [Greg Bossert ] A Note for Jazz Fans (was: Re: note for the sf fans) [Chris Sampson ] New look for Paula's drummer -- see it tonight! [Riphug@aol.com] Tori Amos' European Tour Dates [Neile Graham ] This Week's New Releases [meredith ] A Note for Jazz Fans (was: Re: note for the sf fans) (fwd) ["Mark Anthony] list question [BarBearUh ] Re: list question [Jeff Wasilko ] helen keller (was memories) [BarBearUh ] female genre? [BarBearUh ] Re: First Album (was: embarrassing cd's) ["Jeffrey C. Burka" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 01:50:12 -0600 From: kerrywhite@webtv.net (kerry white) Subject: Re: Charlie Verne I had Charlie Verne's Stanley and Livingston. At the end he drowns in quicksand. The other side was about him and his friend on a roller coaster. The friend falls out and he goes to get his friend's money back:"He missed half the ride!" KrW TV or not TV? That is the question. To suffer the lies of outrageous pitchmen, or to slit your throat with an electro-coated stainless steel blade? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:20:34 +0100 (W. Europe Standard Time) From: Marion Kippers Subject: Re: Memories... Hi, I wrote: > (who's been thinking for 2 days now about the title of that movie > about a deaf girl and a hearing teacher who meet and change each > other's worlds... Anybody know what movie I mean?) and Stuart, Paul, and also ksilver wrote: > _Children of a Lesser God_, with Marlee Matlin and William Hurt? Yup, that's the one. Thanks! Joe wrote: > That could also be "The Miracle Worker". I don't think I know that movie. But mind you, I see about 2 movies a year so it doesn't say much when I don't know one... Is this one worth checking out? Also, Meth wrote: > I grew up with ABBA too, but not of my own volition -- my dad was > their biggest fan for years and years. :-) My mum told me, after I wasn't such a fanatic fan anymore, that she really liked ABBA very much as well, but she was afraid to raise my fanatism even more if she would tell me that at the time... She still likes them nowadays. :-) Thanks again and best wishes, Marion - ---------------------- n.p. nothing (in my head: Dar Williams - End of the summer) n.r. Andre Norton - Golden Trillium Marion Kippers Marion.Kippers@wkap.nl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:01:23 EST From: Riphug@aol.com Subject: Re: Memories... In a message dated 2/17/98 7:36:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, Marion.Kippers@wkap.nl writes: << > That could also be "The Miracle Worker". I don't think I know that movie. But mind you, I see about 2 movies a year so it doesn't say much when I don't know one... Is this one worth checking out? >> Oh, wow! Yes, I think it's a fascinating story! It's about the life of Helen Keller and there are two versions. In the 1962 film, Anne Bancroft played Annie Sullivan and Payy Duke played Helen Keller. In 1979, there was a made- for-TV movie which featured Patty Duke again.....but this time in the role of Annie Sullivan. The role of Helen was played by Melissa Gilbert. Here's the plot summary from the Internet Movie Database: <> I prefer the original version -- Patty Duke did a marvelous job of acting! Jill :D ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:24:50 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Colford Subject: Re: Memories... On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Marion Kippers wrote: > Also, Meth wrote: > > > I grew up with ABBA too, but not of my own volition -- my dad was > > their biggest fan for years and years. > > :-) My mum told me, after I wasn't such a fanatic fan anymore, that > she really liked ABBA very much as well, but she was afraid to raise > my fanatism even more if she would tell me that at the time... She > still likes them nowadays. :-) Well, I was a huge ABBA fan, and I even saw them live on the one U.S. tour in 1979 or 1980? It was quite extraordinary! (I still enjoy them!) Michael - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Colford | Reading Public Library Head of Technical Services | Reading, Massachusetts colford@noblenet.org | *North of Boston Library Exchange* - -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 08:59:50 EST From: ABershaw@aol.com Subject: Embarrassing 1st records not/But stupidity nonetheless! Hi all, I don't get much time to post here much, but I've had some good chuckles while reading this thread. (especially Dan Stark's date with Tori Spelling destiny! LOL!) I don't consider my 1st albums embarassing, though. I can't remember the order but I know the 1st few included "Meet The Beatles", "Mr Tamborine Man" by The Byrds & "Do You Believe In Magic" by The Lovin Spoonful, all three of which I still very much enjoy. I also bought lots of 45's (vinyl singles which were approximately 35 cents back then), including all those Beatles ones with picture sleeves. However, I took scissors to all those incredibly valuable picture sleeves and glued them to the fenders of my bike!! Damn, those things coulda bought me a nice Harley by now, which is how I think I imagined myself at the time..... ;-) Alan NP-"One Left Shoe"-Steve Poltz (phenomenal!) NR-"How Deep Is The Ocean?" by Paul Williams ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:55:15 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: Memories... On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Marion Kippers wrote: > Joe wrote: > > > That could also be "The Miracle Worker". > > I don't think I know that movie. But mind you, I see about 2 movies > a year so it doesn't say much when I don't know one... Is this one > worth checking out? The movie (and stage play) is about Helen Keller and her teacher Anne Sullivan. There are two versions, a 1962 classic with Patty Duke as Helen and Anne Bancroft as the teacher, and one made for TV in 1979 with Melissa Gilbert as Helen and (in an interesting switch) Patty Duke as Anne. (Gee, I wonder how I ever managed to spout authoritatively about movies before I had access to http://www.imdb.com ?!-] ) - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:42:23 -0800 From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: note for the sf fans > I know there are some fellow fans of the SF/Fantasy author Jo Clayton here. > > Jo passed away on Friday, 13 February at a hospice in Portland, OR > following an almost 2-year bout with bone cancer. > [...] this was not unexpected news, but it's still hit me hard. a new Jo Clayton book was always a major, drop-everything-rush-home-make-a- pot-of-tea-and-plan-to-stay-up-all-night event for me, and i'm going to miss that feeling of excitement for a long time... Ms. Clayton's writing is remarkable in a number of ways: her characters are vividly, frustratingly real; her prose moves effortlessly from terse concise narrative to fanciful, whimsical descriptions; her writing was smart and challenging (as an example, she often used fragments of imagined languages that the reader would have to decipher in context -- the rhythms and suggestions of these bits were so compelling that i'd have to fight to keep them out of my own speech). she had a incredible gift for vivid, sensual descriptions of the texture of her worlds -- i once spent months (honest!) trying to recreate the meat pies she described in one of her books. she has written some lovely passages about playing and listening to music as well... more than anything, Ms. Clayton created strong, fascinating female characters, and placed them in situations in which that reacted and grew in important ways. her books were far more mature and insightful than the standard in the speculative fiction genres, and i recommend them to those who are open minded but uncertain about "fantasy" books. unfortunately, most of her best books (or at least, those easiest to start with) are out of print and hard to find. check your local used book store for copies of the Skeen books, or _A Bait of Dreams_, or the _Drinker of Souls_ books, and put a pot of tea on... - -- greg bossert 650-933-6431 -- - -- gwis, silicon graphics, inc. bossert@sgi.com -- - -- i have never been afraid to change -- Happy -- - -- the circumstances of the world -- Rhodes -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:21:09 -0500 From: Chris Sampson Subject: A Note for Jazz Fans (was: Re: note for the sf fans) Some fellow CT-ers and all-music a/o Jazz fans will sorely miss Thomas Chapin, who died on 2/13 after a year-long bout with acute myeloid leukemia. Often we speak, here on Ecto, of the approachability of the musicians honored herein. Thomas was very much like that. Very easy to talk to... very interesting and philosophical... very spiritual. I interviewed him on radio last year (just before he became ill) and also after his performance the next night. For someone as creative and as talented as Thomas was, it was encouraging to know that he was so nice... Actually, vulnerable... During a break in his set that night at Real Art Ways in Hartford, he held up the Trio's latest CD and announced what he referred to as the 'Shameless commerce portion' of the show, and immediately broke out into laughter as he admitted that he 'loved that show' (that'd be 'Car Talk', for youse not in the know). As Ms. Clayton's fans here have pointed out... this was not unexpected, but it still hit me hard. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:54:11 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: A Note for Jazz Fans (was: Re: note for the sf fans) On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Chris Sampson wrote: > Some fellow CT-ers and all-music a/o Jazz fans will sorely miss Thomas > Chapin, who died on 2/13 after a year-long bout with acute myeloid > leukemia. I went to college with Tom (I was an undergrad at Livingston College at Rutgers when he was, I think, a grad student), and got to work with him on a few occasions, incorporating his sax playing in some of my electronic work. He turned me on to jazz after I had totally disliked it, and from there to free-improv, when I featured his trio in our Festival of Alternative Music (back when the term meant something). When I moved to NYC, he introduced me to and turned me on to some aspects of the music scene that I'd never have found on my own. We'd dropped out of touch a while back, but I kept my ears open to what he was up to, hearing a lot about him on the Zorn mailing list. I have a few of his early recordings, including the LP "The Bell of the Heart" and a CD of his noise group, Machine Gun. I'm going to miss him. - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:09:58 -0500 From: Chris Sampson Subject: Re: A Note for Jazz Fans (was: Re: note for the sf fans) Joe, To quote the KaTe fans... 'it is this that brings us together'... I find none of what you said surprising, Joe... However little I 'knew' him, I sensed a very adventurous, yet likable human being. Your description of his music as 'alternative' is interesting. Jazziz recently suggested that the 'downtown SoHo musicians... might appoint Thomas as their emissary to the straight-ahead jazz fans'... I'd have to agree. He was 'alternative', but never copped an attitude. To him it was all just music, y'know. My condolences at the loss of your friend. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:18:02 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Re: A Note for Jazz Fans (was: Re: note for the sf fans) On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Chris Sampson wrote: > I find none of what you said surprising, Joe... However little I 'knew' > him, I sensed a very adventurous, yet likable human being. Your > description of his music as 'alternative' is interesting. Jazziz Well, his group at the time was completely free improv. The percussionist played an immense rack of hardware. (The Festival of Alternative Music also included computer music, synthesized improv, Karnatic violin music with Appalachian storytelling, minimalist solo clarinet music, people on their hands and knees pushing pianos around, and that kind of stuff.) Tom was also the most striking player in the Jazz Ensemble, the only sax player who wasn't trying to be a Xerox of Coltrane. Only one other player caught my ear in that group, Terrence Blanchard, a trumpeter who has gone on to, among other things, do soundtracks for Spike Lee. Tom had one striking kinda-performance-art thing he did: he did a piece where he played a brief, complex sax solo, then took a drink of vodka, then played the same piece again, then drank again, and so on, the performance ending when he could no longer play. Certainly unlike anything else I'd seen at the time! - - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:29:10 -0600 (CST) From: "Joseph S. Zitt" Subject: Comma CD Release Performance! The vocal trio Comma will be celebrating the release of our new CD, (voices), next week in the form of a concert: Tuesday, February 24, 8:00, FREE Ulrich Recital Hall University of Maryland School of Music College Park, MD Many pieces by John Cage will be performed, including Song Books and other works for voice. Other composers on the program include Morton Feldman, Tom Johnson, Pauline Oliveros, Matthew Ross Davis, and Joseph Zitt. Music for the evening will also include some free improvisation! And yes, we will have CDs available at the concert. For information on Comma, go to http://www.artswire.org/comma, or email comma@artswire.org. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:15:33 EST From: Riphug@aol.com Subject: New look for Paula's drummer -- see it tonight! From the friendly folks at harbinger: <> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:15:50 -0600 From: Neile Graham Subject: Tori Amos' European Tour Dates For those interested >Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:50:05 -0500 >From: Richard Caldwell >Reply-To: rdtzine@concentric.net >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: Precious Things , RDTRN >, > Tori News >Subject: European Tour Dates >Sender: owner-torinews@smoe.org >Precedence: bulk > >Here are some dates for the European leg of Tori's 1998 World Tour. >Details are still being worked out on the US Club Tour dates but we'll >post them as soon as we have them. Check our web site for updates. >http://www.toriamos.org > > Tori Amos 1998 World Tour > > April 1998 > > 04/18 - > 04/30 US Club Tour - TBA > > May 1998 > > 05/01 - > 05/06 US Club Tour - TBA > > 05/07 - > 05/18 OFF > > 05/19 UK, Newport Centre > 05/20 UK, Liverpool Royal Court > 05/21 UK, Manchester Apollo > 05/22 UK, Glasgow Clyde Auditorium > 05/23 OFF > 05/24 UK, Newcastle City Hall > 05/25 UK, Wolverhampton Civic Hall > 05/26 UK, Plymouth Pavillions > 05/27 OFF > 05/28 UK, Portsmouth Guildhall > 05/29 UK, Nottingham Royal Centre > 05/30 UK, Sheffield City Hall > 05/31 OFF > > June 1998 > > 06/01 HOLLAND, Pinkpop Festival > 06/02 UK, London Royal Albert Hall > 06/03 UK, London Royal Albert Hall > 06/04 OFF > 06/05 FRANCE, Paris Grand Rex > 06/06 FRANCE, Paris (option) > 06/07 OFF > 06/08 GERMANY, Berlin Tempodrom > 06/09 GERMANY, Frankfurt Alte Opera > 06/10 HOLLAND, Denhaag Congresgebouw > 06/11 GERMANY, Hamburg Stadtpark > 06/12 OFF > 06/13 GERMANY, Bonn Museumsafer > 06/14 GERMANY, Stuttgart Killesberg > 06/15 AUSTRIA, Vienna Libro Music Hall > 06/16 OFF > 06/17 GERMANY, Nurnberg Serenadenhof > 06/18 GERMANY, Munich Philharmonic > 06/19 OFF > 06/20 SWITZERLAND, Zurich Kongresshaus > 06/21 ITALY, Imola Festival > 06/22 OFF > 06/23 TBA > 06/24 TBA > 06/25 DENMARK, Roskilde Festival > 06/26 OFF > 06/27 UK, Glastonbury Festival > 06/28 OFF > 06/29 TBA > 06/30 OFF > > July 1998 > > 07/01 TBA > 07/02 OFF > 07/03 TBA > 07/04 BELGIUM, Torhout & Werchter > 07/05 BELGIUM, Torhout & Werchter > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ..... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ..... neile@sff.net The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music .... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:11:54 -0500 From: meredith Subject: This Week's New Releases Hi! Here we go: > *Rock and Pop new releases* > --------------------------- > - ALI - Crucial (Island Black Music) > - THE AUSTIN LOUNGE LIZARDS - Employee of the Month (Sugar Hill) > - B-TRIBE - Sensual Sensual (Mesa/Atlantic) > - THE BLUES NOTIONS - This Is It (Blue Jewel) > - BRIAN BROMBERG - You Know That Feeling (Zebra) > - MICHAEL CRAWFORD - On Eagle's Wings (Atlantic) > - CY CURNIN - Mayfly (Thoughtscape Sounds) > - DEEP FOREST - Comparsa (550 Music) > - DESTINY'S CHILD - Destiny's Child (ECD) (Columbia) > - ANI DIFRANCO - Little Plastic Castle (Righteous Babe) > - DIMITRI FROM PARIS - Sacrebleu (Atlantic) > - FEDERATION - Headspinz (Iron America) > - KEVIN GORDON - Cadillac Jack's #1 Son (Shanachie) > - CHRIS HICKS - Funky Broadway (Ichiban) > - JAGGED EDGE - A Jagged Era (So So Def/Columbia) > - GWEN MCCRAE - Girlfriend's Boyfriend (Ichiban) > - SUSAN MCKEOWN - Bushes & Briars (Alula) > - MR. INTERNATIONAL - Remy N Alize (Albatross) > - MANDY PANTINKIN - Mamaloshen (in Yiddish) (Nonesuch/Atlantic) > - KIMBERLY SCOTT - Kimberly Scott (ECD) (Columbia) > - TOOTHPASTE 2000 - Host, Guest, Magician, Singer (Parasol) > - U.D.I. - Drinks on Us (Ichiban) > - JODY WATLEY - Flower (Big Beat/Atlantic) > - WOLFIE - Awful Mess Mystery (Mud) > - Various artists - SONGS FROM THE WASTELAND (ReConstriction/Cargo) > - Various artists - WELCOME TO THE EPIDROME (Epic) > - Original soundtrack to "Ride" (Tommy Boy) > - Original soundtrack to "Sliding Door" (MCA) > > *Rock and Pop reissues* > ----------------------- > - FRED ASTAIRE & GINGER ROGERS - At RKO (two CDs) (Rhino) > - THE BAD EXAMPLES - The 2-Meter Sessions (Waterdog) > - ACKER BILK - The Very Best of (Taragon) > - DOCK BOGGS - Country Blues: The Complete Early Recordings 1927-1929 > (Revenant) > - EDDIE FISHER - The Very Best of (two-disc set) (Taragon) > - BOBBY FULLER FOUR - Never to be Forgotten: The Mustang Years (box > set) (Del-Fi) > - HAROLD MELVIN - Blue Notes & Ballads (Legacy) > - THE MOODY BLUES Seventh Sojourn (gold disc) (Mobile Fidelity) > - JOE SATRIANI - Time Machine (Legacy) > - PETE SEEGER - Birds, Bees, Bugs and Fishes (Little and Big) > (children's music) (Smithsonian Folkways) > - BOBBY WOMACK - At Home in Muscle Shoals (Legacy) > - FRANK ZAPPA Cucamonga (Del-Fi) > - Various artists - BLACK BANJO SONGSTERS OF NORTH CAROLINA & > VIRGINIA (Smithsonian Folkways) > - Various artists - LIVE FROM PLANET SKA (Music Club) > - Various artists - MUSIC FOR CHILDREN COLLECTION (w/Langston Hughes, > Pete Seeger, and more.) (Smithsonian Folkways) > - Various artists - THERE WILL BE NO SWEETER SOUND: THE COLUMBIA-OKEH > POST-WAR GOSPEL STORY 1947-1962 (two discs) (Legacy) > - Various artists - THIS IS REGGAE (Music Club) > - Various artists - THIS IS SOCA: 14 MASSIVE CARNIVAL HITS (Music > Club) > - Various artists - THE VERY BEST OF RED BIRD/BLUE CAT RECORDS (w/The > Shangri-Las, The Dixie Cups, and more.) (Taragon) > - Original soundtrack to "One Step Beyond" (TV) (Taragon) > > *Country new releases* > ---------------------- > - DAVID KERSH - If I Never Stop Loving You (Curb) > - AUSTIN LOUNGE LIZARDS - Employee of the Month (Sugar Hill) > > *Country reissues* > ------------------ > - CHARLEY PRIDE - In Person (Live at Panther Hall) (Koch) > - PORTER WAGONER - In Person (Koch) > - TAMMY WYNETTE - Take Me to Your World (Koch) > - SUPER HITS - Collections by ROSANNE CASH, RAY CHARLES, CRYSTAL > GAYLE, DOLLY PARTON and TANYA TUCKER (Columbia) > > *Jazz new releases* > ------------------- > - VIBES FEATURING BILL WARE - Vibes (Knitting Factory Works) > - SEX MOB WITH STEVEN BERNSTEIN - Den of Iniquity (Knitting Factory > Works) > - ROBERT DICK AND THE SOLDIER STRING QUARTET - Jazz Standards on Mars > (Enja) > - RENAUD GARCIA-FONS - Oriental Bass (Enja) > - LA BANDA - La Banda (Enja) > - OLU DARA - In the World: From Natchez to New York (Atlantic) > - PEOPLE LIKE US - In Heaven (Koch Jazz) > - MARIE MCAULIFFE - The Ark Sextet (Koch Jazz) > - ERNIE KRIVDA AND THE FAT TUESDAY BIG BAND - Perdido (Koch Jazz) > - KIRK NUROCK - Remembering Tree Friends (Koch Jazz) > - ERIC ALEXANDER - Mode for Mabes (Delmark) > - FRANK CATALANO - Cut It Out!?! (Delmark) > - RICH CORPOLONGO QUARTET - Smiles (Delmark) > - ROBERT MAZUREK AND CHICAGO UNDERGROUND ORCHESTRA - Playground > (Delmark) > - JOHN ZORN AND MASADA - Nine (DIW/Koch Jazz) > - DAVID MURRAY - Long Goodbye (DIW/Koch Jazz) > - RODNEY WHITAKER - Hidden Kingdom (DIW/Koch Jazz) > - HAROLD MABERN - Mabern's Grooveyard (DIW/Koch Jazz) > - THREE BARITONE SAXOPHONE BAND - Play Mulligan (Dreyfus) > - DUKE ELLINGTON - Duke Ellington's Jazz Party (gold disc) (Mobile > Fidelity) > > *Jazz reissues* > --------------- > - JOHN COLTRANE - Giant Steps and My Favorite Things (Rhino) > - CHARLES MINGUS - Blues and Roots (Rhino) > - ROLAND KIRK - The Inflated Tear (Rhino) > - ORNETTE COLEMAN - Free Jazz (Rhino) > - CANNONBALL ADDERLEY - Greatest Hits (Milestone) +==========================================================================+ | Meredith Tarr meth@smoe.org | | New Haven, CT USA http://www.smoe.org/~meth | +==========================================================================+ | "things are more beautiful when they're obscure" -- veda hille | | *** TRAJECTORY: the Veda Hille mailing list *** | | *** http://www.smoe.org/meth/trajectory.html *** | +==========================================================================+ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:53:56 -0500 (EST) From: "Mark Anthony Miazga" Subject: A Note for Jazz Fans (was: Re: note for the sf fans) (fwd) Is this the same Tom Chapin who is the late Harry Chapin's brother? I know he was a musician as well... - -- Mark A. Miazga "The thing about the rat miazgama@pilot.msu.edu race is even if you win, Michigan State University you're still a rat." 206 East Akers Hall, M.S.U. -- Lily Tomlin East Lansing, MI 48825-1372 (517) 353-2083 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:24:48 +0000 From: BarBearUh Subject: list question > NP- > NR- as a new member, i need to be filled in on what these stand for. seems like it's very important! barbara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:51:23 -0500 From: Jeff Wasilko Subject: Re: list question On Tue, Feb 17, 1998 at 09:24:48PM +0000, BarBearUh wrote: > > NP- > > NR- Now Playing and Now Reading - -jeff ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:41:15 +0000 From: BarBearUh Subject: helen keller (was memories) Riphug@aol.com wrote: > I prefer the original version -- Patty Duke did a marvelous job of acting! i believe she won an academy award for it, and i think held the title of youngest winner for quite a while. barbara ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:05:39 +0000 From: BarBearUh Subject: female genre? Dan Stark wrote: > > Ecto revelation: I had always liked female artists, but never really > categorized them as a specific genre until just three years ago. i thought this was rather interesting, as i've never considered music by females a genre. in fact, i've often argued with people that it isn't. but here we are, on a list devoted to female artists as if they are a genre. this seems to feed into the r&r is for the boys cliche and girls are, well girls. i'm not making any accusations here about right or wrong - obviously most of you are into a huge variety of music that does not draw gender lines. i'm curious if any of you have given this much thought (or perhaps it's already been argued in the past - - i'm still a neophyte to this list). what i'm kinda getting at is that i could look at some of my favorite female artists as a genre - joni mitchell, kate bush, jane siberry, ani difranco, rickie lee jones, betty carter - but it just doesn't fit like that for me. i tend to look at it sort of like the following, when i actually start to think about it... poet composers - joni mitchell, bob dylan, elvis costello wacko and/or romantic layerists - kate bush, happy rhodes, loreena mckennitt, laurie anderson, adrian belew (sometimes), peter gabriel, jane siberry, robyn hitchcock folk/roots influenced - patty larkin, catie curtis, bob dylan, bruce cockburn, ani difranco, robyn hitchcock (sometimes) torch & twang lyle lovett, kd lang, chris isaak cabaret rickie lee jones, tom waits, pj harvey, nick cave interpretive jazz betty carter, cassandra wilson thoughts? comments? barbara NP: jai uttal & the pagan love orchestra ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:19:00 -0500 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: First Album (was: embarrassing cd's) Markku Kolkka wrote: > The closest thing to an embarrasing > CD I have is either Paul Simon's "Graceland" I can't figure out why on earth you would consider this to be an embarrassment. jeff (who seems to refer to _Graceland_ as one of the greatest albums of all time every year or so on ecto...) n.p. Symphony No. 3, Henryk Gorecki n.r. _Dancing on Tisha B'Av_, Lev Raphael (just finished: Joe Zitt's _Shekhinah_ and Marge Piercy's _Woman on the Edge of Time_) - -- |Jeffrey C. Burka | moving to jburka@cqi.com -- come say hi | |http://www.cqi.com/~jburka | at the new digs...now up and running! | ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:53:33 -0500 From: roo@brown.edu (Kay Cleaves) Subject: Re: First Album (was: embarrassing cd's) >Markku Kolkka wrote: > >> The closest thing to an embarrasing >> CD I have is either Paul Simon's "Graceland" > Jeff Burka replied: >I can't figure out why on earth you would consider this to be an >embarrassment. > > > Well, I guess everyone is embarrassed differently. I suppose, if you consider all of the harassment Paul Simon received after the release of this album for exploiting South African music--there's a big Peter Gabriel/Paul Simon rift among the ethnic music folk--one could consider it to be an embarrassing CD to own. I agree with Jeff, though, it's a terrific album. (although I like Rhythm of the Saints better!) - --K - --------------------------------------------------- Kay S. Cleaves Brown University Stage Manager, Sweeney Todd 401-863-6650 Pager: 1-800-759-8888 x182-1000 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:35:23 -0500 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: A Note for Jazz Fans (was: Re: note for the sf fans) (fwd) Mark Anthony Miazga wrote: > > Is this the same Tom Chapin who is the late Harry Chapin's brother? I know he > was a musician as well... Nope, a different person. It's because of Tom-the-folksinger that Tom-the-saxophonist used the name Thomas professionally. NP: Joseph Celli and Jin Hi Kim -- No World (Trio) Improvisations -- right now it's a wild jam for oboe, kumungo, and didjeridoo. Yow! NR: John Cage and Joan Retallack: Musicage (again) - -- - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:10:30 -0500 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: female genre? BarBearUh wrote: > > Dan Stark wrote: > > > > Ecto revelation: I had always liked female artists, but never really > > categorized them as a specific genre until just three years ago. > > i thought this was rather interesting, as i've never considered music by > females a genre. in fact, i've often argued with people that it isn't. >but here we are, on a list devoted to female artists as if they are a genre. errr...no. ecto music is a genre, but it is in no way limited to female vocals. This list, though it dwells on female artists, is not devoted to them; it's devoted to Happy Rhodes, and anything that comes up as a result of the intersection of diverse interests of her fans is fair game. Over the last 6.5-ish years, this has covered tremendous ground. There have been discussions in the past as to just what defines ecto music, but we've never really reached consensus. And the genre has definite sides...the crunchy side (arson garden springs to mind), the celtic side (Loreena, Susan McKeown), the folk (Dar Williams), and on and on. I certainly wouldn't consider all of the female-vocal-laden stuff in my collection to be ecto music (Carly Simon? Madonna? Janet Jackson? Horse? etc., etc.) Unfortunately, I don't think I can give much better explication right now... jeff - -- |Jeffrey C. 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