From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V3 #108 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, December 18 1997 Volume 03 : Number 108 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Praising music, criticising music [Greg Bossert ] intimidating the newbies... [forum@inlink.com] Live Concerts online [KBolin0418 ] Re: Praising music, criticising music [Greg Bossert ] Re: Land of the Blind, Ingrid Karklins [squeaky watson Subject: Re: Praising music, criticising music Neal responds to Neile: > > Has anyone on ecto ever shot anyone down? I don't think so, but my > > perceptions may be skewed by being here so long and long feeling a part of > > the ecto community. > > I'm sure it's happened, given the occasionally strong opinions and the odd > soft spot in everyone's psyches. Hell, I can think of times I've been > offended here, and the appropriate response has always been to remember > that the comments were someone elses opinion (and obviously wrong to > boot!). And by all means, stand up for your opinion. heh, i recall both drive-by shootings and out-and-out gun battles... ;) but unlike many other lists, there has been substance to the arguments, and respect for differing opinions even in the flames... > > Anyway, for what it's worth, I'm sorry that people are intimidated and are > > leaving the list because of this, > > Has this actually been happening? I can't imagine anyone who has left > the list offended speeking up now. Then again, where can you go and be > better treated? I think ecto's much vaunted friendliness doesn't quite > live up to it's hype, but it's still the most civil place I've found in my > admittedly minimal wanderings. hmm, during my days running the list, there were several people who left, offended, and a few who felt pushed out. (eh, i'll admit it, i was pretty frustrated with the list by the point that i was gently asked to pass the moderatorship on). more than one of those people has returned (eh, i'll admit it, i'm back and every new message brings a smile to my face) -- Neal is right on: where else can you go that is either more open-minded or more interesting? > > The other thing the Ectophiles' Guide includes is negative comments. I > > think it's important that people be able to say what they don't like to > > give context both to other people's comments who do like a particular piece > > of music but also to give context to what they do like. I think we should > > all feel free to say what we do and don't like--sharing opinions is > > important. > > As I saw this thread start, I found myself thinking that I'd rather see a > list of accepted ecto artists that people found annoying than another > goddess list. The latter is too easy, and the former might be > interesting. hee, well, would this be a bad time to mention that i don't have much interest to listening to Tori's BFP, and i downright dislike "Surfacing"? i *respect* BFP a lot -- it's got a restless neurotic energy that i find fascinating, but it's so mannered and perverse that the overall effect for me is annoyance (and that from a guy who can listen to entire David Sylvian albums without flinching!) i'm very glad she made the album, but i don't even know where my copy is... Sarah's latest, well, i think "Building a Mystery" sounds eerily like a parody of her own music -- like the rest of the album, it repeats a lot of ideas that were brilliant on FTE and makes them obvious and mundane. the lurking anger and ugly-odd little noises that made the early albums compelling for me seem gone, leaving what sure sounds like mainstream pap to me. on the flip side, i bet those songs live will just knock me out (and you better believe i'll see her if i get the chance...;) i've got to agree with Neal's Lisa Loeb comment. she just comes across as too durn smug for me. other than these large and easily knocked targets, it's hard for me to think of "accepted ecto artists" that i find generally annoying -- first of all, there are few musicians that are simply "accepted" on ecto without good reasons and long discussion, and second, y'all just have good taste ;) i'd hate for this to be yet another meta-message, so here's a quick (positive) musical comment: i dug out my copy of Wendy Carlos' _Beauty in the Beast_ (1986 Audion/Jem SYNCD200 [out of print]) the other day and was struck by how powerful and mature it sounds in comparison to contemporary electronic music -- even my unwitting guru Brian Eno has never produced an purely electronic album so visceral and compelling. the album is hard to find, but i suspect that ectophiles with any interest in instrumental or 'ethnic' music will find it worth seeking out. more info at http://www.apocalypse.org/~wendy/index.html 'tah - -- greg bossert 650-933-6431 -- - -- gwis, silicon graphics, inc. bossert@sgi.com -- - -- i have never been afraid to change -- Happy -- - -- the circumstances of the world -- Rhodes -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 03:00:15 -0500 From: matthewm (Mike Matthews) Subject: Today's your birthday, friends... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******************** Laura Clifford (lcliffor@bbn.com) ******************** *********** Dirk Kastens (dkastens@titan.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE) ************ ************************ Milla (no Email address) ************************* ************** Chris Schernwetter (cas9353@ultb.isc.rit.edu) ************** ****************** Sherry Haddock (shaddock@csr.uta.edu) ****************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Laura Clifford Tue December 17 1957 Sagittarius Dirk Kastens Tue December 17 1963 Sagittarius Milla Wed December 17 1975 Sagittarius Chris Schernwetter Tue December 17 1974 Sagittarius Sherry Haddock Sat December 17 1960 Sagittarius Tracy Benbrook Tue December 18 1973 Sagittarius Uli Grepel Wed December 25 1968 Steinbock Joseph Wasicek Sat December 25 1976 Brown Eagle Stuart Castergine Mon December 30 1963 You Are Here Marvin Camras Sat January 01 1916 Tapehead Jeanne Schreiter Tue January 03 1967 Capricorn John Sandoval Wed January 04 1967 Capricorn Paul Cohen Tue January 05 1954 Capricorn Tony Garrity Mon January 08 1962 Pool of Life Greg Bossert Tue January 09 1962 OfTheTimes Troy J. Shadbolt Thu January 14 1971 Capricorn Chris Sampson Wed January 15 1964 Void where prohibited Dennis G Parslow Fri January 17 1964 ...of the Saint Ross Alford Thu January 17 1957 Positive - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:53:23 +0000 (GMT) From: nightwol@dircon.co.uk (Steve Fagg) Subject: Re: sTuff Greetings all! Boy, I'm way behind in Ecto! Hope all in the US had a great time over Thanksgiving. I know it seems a long time ago, but that was the last time I was able to read my Ecto mail! Although UK-bound for this year (great lack of folding stuff chez-Fagg these days!) we did have a turkey dinner with all the trimmmings and invited my parents over for their first taste of Thanksgiving - from the late hour until which they stayed I'd say they enjoyed it. The Sunday of the Holiday weekend I spent travellling to Ottawa for a business trip, during which I managed to grab a copy of Loreena's "The Book of Secrets" album though I have yet to find time to actually listen to the CD! Since I got back, I've been desparately busy at work and with preparations for the Christmas/New Year holiday, so it was only this morning that I read that... meredith wrote: > ... a whole bunch of interesting stuff, in typical meth fashion, ending with a nostalgic glance back to the 1991 KaTe Bush KonvenTion at the Hammersmith Palais (I was there! ;-)) and her introduction to Happy (not so different from my own), ending with the words... > When you think about it, all this -- ecto, the ectophiles, Happy's core > support network of fans -- really goes back to Vickie's belief in Happy, > and like Larry said, her *doing* something about it. I think that's been > kind of forgotten, or at least pushed into the background lately. > > So yeah, thanks, Vickie. We know you're still out there somewhere. :) Amen to that! Vickie's passionate belief in Happy as an artist and her drive to use all the means at her disposal to *actively* promote Happy way beyond what Happy herself couuld do is, ultimately, what made "all this" happen - a quite remarkable testament to a quite remarkable woman! Vickie, I too salute you and hope that you get settled into your new place real soon now and can in due course get back into the online world. With thanks, Steve - -- Steve Fagg (nightwol@dircon.co.uk) http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/1313/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 12:11:27 +0000 (GMT) From: nightwol@dircon.co.uk (Steve Fagg) Subject: Praising music, criticising music Neile Graham wrote: > There will be ectophiles who won't like Veda Hille. Not "will be", Neile! :-) But, out of respect for the reverence with which she is regarded here, I shall be keeping my opinions of "Spine" to myself. In general I think it is true to say that I feel more comfortable criticising a particular piece of work by an artist (especially in the context of a general high regard for their work - see my comments on Happy's "BTC" in the Guide) than offering a blanket negative opinion covering a person and all their work. > There's not a huge degree of consensus here, nor is it needed. No indeed! And thank goodness for that! TTFN Steve n.r. "Mr Norris Changes Trains" Christopher Isherwood n.p. Ravel: Rapsodie espagnole - Pittsburgh SO/Maazel - -- Steve Fagg (nightwol@dircon.co.uk) http://www.geocities.com/Paris/Metro/1313/ home phone: +44-1279-445188 work phone: +44-1279-402437 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 07:49:42 -0500 From: ptv@scm-metals.com (Patrick Varker) Subject: Goodbye Nicolette I am saddened at the news this morning of Nicolette Larson's passing. I had the chance to spend some time with her a couple of years ago and she was truly a special person and artist. The children's project she did not too long back was wonderful. I understand she died from some complications with fluid build-up on the brain. For myself and I'm sure many others she will surely be missed. Patrick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 15:54:58 -0500 From: Troy Cockrell Subject: Just Wondering? Hi Guys, I was just wondering what you think of Tori Amos going for more of a "band" sound on her new album. From what I've been hearing it will no longer be Tori and her piano, she will now have a full band when she goes on tour. If I remember right the last time Tori had a "band"...the Y Kant Tori days that album didn't do real well. I guess that I'm just a little mad that the days of Tori solo piano look like there gone...guess I'll just keep playing Little Earthquakes and UTP over and over!! Thanks Troy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 16:20:05 -0600 (CST) From: forum@inlink.com Subject: intimidating the newbies... Neile stated: >> I'm not offended by Irvin not liking _Boys For Pele_. (I think he's WRONG >> WRONG WRONG because my taste is the ultimate--at least in my life, eh?) and >> I'm perfectly willing to post to say that I disagree with him. I should hope that your taste is the ultimate in your life. it would be a sad sad life if you let your tastes be run by someone else. unfortunately a lot of people do, ie the fascinating sociological impact of MTV's BUZZ BIN (but i digress). so more power to you. even if you did like BOYS FROM PELE. -if anyone wants to read my thoughts on that album they can on the ecto guide to good music and check under the tori listing-. (i'm wrong wrong wrong eh? DON'T think so, that ALBUM is wrong wrong wrong...) :) One thing that people should keep in mind when writing and reading email not only posted to ecto, but also to other places on the net is that the TONE of the email is often extremely important, and what one says in SEEMINGLY jest, can be horribly offensive to others who cannot read the humor. be wary of misinterpretations. a well placed smiley face (or other emoticon/ abbreviation like ROTF, IMO, etc) can be key in indicate sarcasm, humor, wryness, or general tonal mood. miscommunication can be pretty ugly otherwise though. methinks that email is probably not the best media for subtly either, so keep that in mind. but then, what do i know? One other thing to mention (an observation) is that it seems most of the people who are commenting negatively about ecto are newbies, and those who are happy with ecto are those who have been around for a long time. If there is enough newbies complaining, it doesn't matter how much you say "ecto is a community where you can say and be who you are" because obviously if a lot of people are complaining there is a problem. just saying back to people who feel intiminated " we aren't intimidating" won't solve anything. BUT it is also a natural reaction for someone coming into a foreign social setting to be a little uncomfortable until they adjust. I have always felt comfortable saying anything at all in ecto (pertinent or personal ie. see past ecto digest about my ramblings with my big divorce/break up in the beginning of the summer of 97) but again, i have been around for awhile, and can talk/write anyone to death - well, okay maybe not charley, he's more big winded than even me :) -. Someone who comes in and doesn't know anyone else on the list, i can understand why they might not want to jump into the fray. especially considering the strong personalities that this list has. I have always felt that we as an ecto group try our hardest to welcome newbies, and make them feel welcome. I think the bottom line is that, for all the newbies or lurkers out there, everyone is welcome here on ecto and apologizes go out to those out who felt otherwise. please jump into the fray and say hello, make a comment about how much you love the latest SPICE GIRL CD (SPICE UP YOUR LIFE!) or tell us how much you dislike the new TORI song (SIRENS - in which the music sounds completely derivative of CAUGHT A LITE SNEEZE, with her singing on speed) or perhaps tell us your fave top 10 of 1997 (a great way to introduce yourself and tell us about your musical tastes, besides there are going to be a plethora of them coming soon, so jump on the bandwagon!) or just say hello. We welcome everyone and most everything. and that is all. one more useless thought on this thread. irvin np. the soundtrack to BOOGIE NIGHTS. so swanky, i wish my office came equipped with a mirror ball and smoke machine. Forum for Contemporary Art 3540 Washington Avenue St. Louis, MO 63103 314/535.4660 314/535.1226 (fax) forum@inlink.com November 7, 1997 to January 3, 1998 Sabina Ott: Everywhere There is Somewhere ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:04:33 EST From: KBolin0418 Subject: Live Concerts online Hi, I've been listening to a beautiful concert by Marianne Faithfull in the archives of LiveConcerts.com. LiveConcerts They also have shows by Abra Moore and Suzanne Vega. Happy Holidays Everybody, Karen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 19:23:48 -0800 From: Greg Bossert Subject: Re: Praising music, criticising music Neal responds to Neile: > > Has anyone on ecto ever shot anyone down? I don't think so, but my > > perceptions may be skewed by being here so long and long feeling a part of > > the ecto community. > > I'm sure it's happened, given the occasionally strong opinions and the odd > soft spot in everyone's psyches. Hell, I can think of times I've been > offended here, and the appropriate response has always been to remember > that the comments were someone elses opinion (and obviously wrong to > boot!). And by all means, stand up for your opinion. heh, i recall both drive-by shootings and out-and-out gun battles... ;) but unlike many other lists, there has been substance to the arguments, and respect for differing opinions even in the flames... > > Anyway, for what it's worth, I'm sorry that people are intimidated and are > > leaving the list because of this, > > Has this actually been happening? I can't imagine anyone who has left > the list offended speeking up now. Then again, where can you go and be > better treated? I think ecto's much vaunted friendliness doesn't quite > live up to it's hype, but it's still the most civil place I've found in my > admittedly minimal wanderings. hmm, during my days running the list, there were several people who left, offended, and a few who felt pushed out. (eh, i'll admit it, i was pretty frustrated with the list by the point that i was gently asked to pass the moderatorship on). more than one of those people has returned (eh, i'll admit it, i'm back and every new message brings a smile to my face) -- Neal is right on: where else can you go that is either more open-minded or more interesting? > > The other thing the Ectophiles' Guide includes is negative comments. I > > think it's important that people be able to say what they don't like to > > give context both to other people's comments who do like a particular piece > > of music but also to give context to what they do like. I think we should > > all feel free to say what we do and don't like--sharing opinions is > > important. > > As I saw this thread start, I found myself thinking that I'd rather see a > list of accepted ecto artists that people found annoying than another > goddess list. The latter is too easy, and the former might be > interesting. hee, well, would this be a bad time to mention that i don't have much interest to listening to Tori's BFP, and i downright dislike "Surfacing"? i *respect* BFP a lot -- it's got a restless neurotic energy that i find fascinating, but it's so mannered and perverse that the overall effect for me is annoyance (and that from a guy who can listen to entire David Sylvian albums without flinching!) i'm very glad she made the album, but i don't even know where my copy is... Sarah's latest, well, i think "Building a Mystery" sounds eerily like a parody of her own music -- like the rest of the album, it repeats a lot of ideas that were brilliant on FTE and makes them obvious and mundane. the lurking anger and ugly-odd little noises that made the early albums compelling for me seem gone, leaving what sure sounds like mainstream pap to me. on the flip side, i bet those songs live will just knock me out (and you better believe i'll see her if i get the chance...;) i've got to agree with Neal's Lisa Loeb comment. she just comes across as too durn smug for me. other than these large and easily knocked targets, it's hard for me to think of "accepted ecto artists" that i find generally annoying -- first of all, there are few musicians that are simply "accepted" on ecto without good reasons and long discussion, and second, y'all just have good taste ;) i'd hate for this to be yet another meta-message, so here's a quick (positive) musical comment: i dug out my copy of Wendy Carlos' _Beauty in the Beast_ (1986 Audion/Jem SYNCD200 [out of print]) the other day and was struck by how powerful and mature it sounds in comparison to contemporary electronic music -- even my unwitting guru Brian Eno has never produced an purely electronic album so visceral and compelling. the album is hard to find, but i suspect that ectophiles with any interest in instrumental or 'ethnic' music will find it worth seeking out. more info at http://www.apocalypse.org/~wendy/index.html 'tah - -- greg bossert 650-933-6431 -- - -- gwis, silicon graphics, inc. bossert@sgi.com -- - -- i have never been afraid to change -- Happy -- - -- the circumstances of the world -- Rhodes -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Dec 1997 23:12:21 -0500 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: Praising music, criticising music Paul Blair sez: > That said, I also have to say that this has got to be one of the most > civilized lists I've ever had the pleasure to subscribe to. I appreciate > it more all the time. that's it exactly, of course. ecto's community spirit (long described as "fuzzy blue") was recognized almost from the get-go, and has been maintained for the 6.5 years the list has been around, despite enormous growth and evolution. We've remained virtually flame free, though there were a few moments where the kindling was starting to smoulder a bit (jeffy sez, remembering when particularly volatile thread involving the indigo girls, melissa etheridge, and well, best not to dredge it up. hi, meth! ;-) But there's no question that part of the ecto openness involves the freedom to disagree with someone else's raves, whether by politely explaining that you don't care for it, or by exclaiming that it sucks. jeff np: _Out of Chaos_, Land of the Blind (hi, Cy -- the check's in the mail...no, really!) - -- |Jeffrey C. Burka | moving to jburka@cqi.com -- come say hi | |http://www.cqi.com/~jburka | at the new digs...now up and running! | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 10:01:01 -0600 From: JEFFREY_HANSON@NSDGATE3.nsd.fmc.com (JEFFREY HANSON) Subject: Holly Cole tour dates From Holly's web page (www.hollycole.com) Dec 31 Ottawa, ON NAC Jan 12 Cleveland, OH Wilbert's Jan 13 Columbus, OH Ludlow's Jan 15 Nashville, TN 3rd & Lindsley Jan 17 Atlanta, GA Variety Theatre Jan 19 Washington, DC The Metro Cafe Jan 20 Philadelphia, PA The Painted Bride Jan 22 New York, NY Westbeth Theatre Jan 23 Boston, MA The Paradise Jan 24 Northampton, MA Iron Horse Jan 29 Halifax, NS Rebecca Cohen Jan 30 Montreal, PQ Spectrum Feb 1 Quebec City, PQ Theatre Capitole Feb 4 Stratford, ON Stratford Theatre Feb 5 Guelph, ON War Memorial Feb 6 Lexington, KY Radison Towers Feb 7 Detroit, MI Royal Oak Music Theatre Feb 8 Chicago, IL Park West Feb 10 St. Louis, MO Side Door Feb 11 Cincinnati, OH Top Cats Feb 12 Bloomington, IN Second Story Feb 14 & 15 Toronto, ON Convocation Hall Feb 18 Thunder Bay, ON Community Auditorium Feb 19 Minneapolis, MN Fine Line Feb 20 Winnipeg, MB Pantages Playhouse Theatre Feb 21 Saskatoon, SK Centiennial Auditorium Feb 22 Calgary, AB Jack Singer Feb 23 Edmonton, AB Winspear Centre for Music Feb 25 Victoria, BC Royal Theatre Feb 27 & 28 Vancouver, BC The Vogue More dates to be announced shortly! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 11:02:02 -0600 From: JEFFREY_HANSON@NSDGATE3.nsd.fmc.com (JEFFREY HANSON) Subject: Land of the Blind, Ingrid Karklins I recently took advantage of Land of the Blind's offer to purchase their latest CD, "Out of Chaos", at the special ecto cost of $10. The CD arrived quickly, and best of all with Twizzlers, Tootsie Roll and Bubble Gum. Can't beat that! The packaging is very dark--much more so than the music. Fans of My Scarlet Life should definitely check them out, as I find the bands to be fairly similar in sound, though I think LotB is a little more melodic, but without being pop. Haven't really had a chance to listen to it thoroughly enough to pick out my favorite tracks, but I definitely like the tracks with the piano. A very rich album, it reminds me also of some of the bands on the Projekt label. I highly recommend it to people who like some of the more trance-dub, world music sound. I also received Ingrid Karklin's Red Hand, and was very impressed with the packaging. I can't believe they're offering it for only $16.25 (including postage and handling). The album itself is really good too. The first time I heard it, I was a little turned off by the overwhelming, rather ponderous use of the bass, but on subsequent listens, it didn't bothered me nearly as much (I also turned off the "Super Bass" on my amp), and I've been able to focus on all the other interesting stuff going on in the songs. Ingrid's voice is in fine form, and I was really struck by her sounding like Laurie Anderson--especially on her spoken word parts. I went back and listened to ANima Mundi and noticed the same thing there, though I hadn't noticed it before. Anyway, definitely an album worth checking out--plus you can have an album where a whole bunch of ectophiles (who are on Ingrid's Passion list) are thanked for their generous help in getting the album made. Much less "folky" than her previous work, and more experimental. Probably not for everybody, but worth checking out. Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 22:35:02 -0400 From: Richard Subject: Re: intimidating the newbies... Irwin posted the following gem of logic.. :) > One other thing to mention (an observation) is that it seems most > of the people who are commenting negatively about ecto are newbies, and > those who are happy with ecto are those who have been around for a long > time. Well- It follows that those who are NOT happy with ecto have likely departed, and those who like ecto are still here, so of COURSE the been-around-for-a-long-time folks are happy with ecto. And Irwin, note the smiley face... ;-) > BUT it is also a natural reaction for someone coming into a foreign > social setting to be a little uncomfortable until they adjust. > Someone who > comes in and doesn't know anyone else on the list, i can understand why > they might not want to jump into the fray. especially considering the > strong personalities that this list has. Thank you, thank you, and amen... I had hoped that my relating of my early difficulties here would be taken in the context of a total stranger coming into a group of friends and trying to blend- This is something that I think is common to ALL mailing lists, not to mention real life social situations, though the availability of body language IRL makes it scads easier to assimilate. And one last thing, Irwin-- I'm just a wee bit diasappointed that you did *exactly* what I referred to: Instead of adressing your comments to me, the one who did the bitching in the first place , you discussed the points I made to the rest of the list and ignored me as if I were some party crasher... But, since I'm now comfy here, it doesn't bother me one bit, which should be obvious from this post. And I think that anyone involved with an organization called Forum For Contemporary Art just *has* to be an OK guy, seriously. ^^^^^5 Bro... r n.p. Mary Hopkin- _Earth Song Ocean Song_ n.r. Yet another the-year-in-pictures news magazine, oy - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My friends, no matter how rough the road may be, we can and we will never, never surrender to what is right. -- Vice President Dan Quayle speaking to the Christian Coalition about the need for abstinence to avoid AIDS, 11/15/91 (reported in Esquire, 8/92) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Dec 1997 23:29:20 -0500 From: squeaky watson Subject: Re: Land of the Blind, Ingrid Karklins also sprach JEFFREY HANSON: > I also received Ingrid Karklin's Red Hand, [...] > The first time I heard it, I was a little turned off by the > overwhelming, rather ponderous use of the bass, but on subsequent > listens, it didn't bothered me nearly as much overwhelming, perhaps, but i'm perplexed by your ponderous comment. steve bernal's style is about the most liquid bass-playing i've ever heard -- it's so fluid, flowing and twisting between the piano and drums. yes, it's the most upfront instrument on the recording, but certainly not ponderous! > (I also turned off the "Super Bass" on my amp), good, since according to the law of conservation of bass, i can now turn mine up! ;) woj n.p. theatre of voices -- carols from the old & new worlds ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V3 #108 **************************