From: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org (ecto-digest) To: ecto-digest@smoe.org Subject: ecto-digest V3 #101 Reply-To: ecto@smoe.org Sender: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, December 12 1997 Volume 03 : Number 101 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Today's your birthday, friend... [matthewm (Mike Matthews)] Re: ecto-digest V3 #100 [sspan ] Re: Fields of the Nephilim (was "Re: this week's new releases") [Richard ] Re: Latest ["Neil K. Guy" ] Re: Help with songwriter... Please! [JavaHo ] Re: Latest ["Jeffrey C. Burka" ] MacArthur Park [Chris Sampson ] Re[2]: Latest [JEFFREY_HANSON@NSDGATE3.nsd.fmc.com (JEFFREY HANSON)] Rachel's zine - I'm Not Waiting #2 [Rachel Kramer Bussel ] Re: Latest [Richard Holmes ] Re: Latest [Chris Sampson ] Re: Fields of the Nephilim (was "Re: this week's new releases") [Gentle M] Re: Latest [Michael Curry ] Re: Latest [Michael Curry ] Re: Latest [Joseph Zitt ] Re: Latest [Neile Graham ] "The Soul of Christmas" on PBS [hillaryj@mindspring.com (Hillary Jackson)] request... ["John D. Angeline" ] Re: "The Soul of Christmas" on PBS [Michael Curry ] It is later than you think ["Mitchell A. Pravatiner" ] Re: Latest [Joseph Zitt ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 03:00:15 -0500 From: matthewm (Mike Matthews) Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ************** Jeremy J. Corry (jcorry@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu) ************** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Jeremy J. Corry Fri December 11 1970 Sagittarius Renee Canada Tue December 13 1977 Sagittarius Julie C. Kammerzell Sun December 15 1968 Sagittarius/Scorpio combo Gloria Jackson-Nefertiti Sat December 15 1956 Sagittarius Damon Harper Tue December 16 1975 Sagittarius Laura Clifford Tue December 17 1957 Sagittarius Dirk Kastens Tue December 17 1963 Sagittarius Milla Wed December 17 1975 Sagittarius Chris Schernwetter Tue December 17 1974 Sagittarius Sherry Haddock Sat December 17 1960 Sagittarius Tracy Benbrook Tue December 18 1973 Sagittarius Uli Grepel Wed December 25 1968 Steinbock Joseph Wasicek Sat December 25 1976 Brown Eagle Stuart Castergine Mon December 30 1963 You Are Here Marvin Camras Sat January 01 1916 Tapehead Jeanne Schreiter Tue January 03 1967 Capricorn John Sandoval Wed January 04 1967 Capricorn Paul Cohen Tue January 05 1954 Capricorn Tony Garrity Mon January 08 1962 Pool of Life Greg Bossert Tue January 09 1962 OfTheTimes - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 04:08:45 -0800 From: sspan Subject: Re: ecto-digest V3 #100 > WHO IN THE HELL WROTE MACARTHUR PARK???!!!You know, I can't think of that song without picturing Dave Thomas doing it on Mel's Rockpile.. btw.. FINALLY bought a CD palyer for the car.. okay, so it's a portable with one of those things that goes in your tape player, of course I christened it with Warpaint.. I can listen to Happy in the car at last! np: Jaci Velasquez - Heavenly Place ++ -dave- ++ + irc.Dal.net #Panic_Beach + + Maria McKee/Grey Eye Glances/Lisa Loeb + ++ ++ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 01:00:52 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Holmes Subject: Re: Fields of the Nephilim (was "Re: this week's new releases") Neal Copperman writes: On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Richard Holmes wrote: > > So what does anyone thing of the FIELDS OF THE NEPHILIM - I was > > considering purchasing one of theirs sound unheard, but picked up > > Elysian Fields "Bleed Your Cedar" and Sarah's "B sides" and Lisa > > Germano's "Love Circus" instead... I guess I had to get *one* > > release which had some fields in it.... =8^) > > I'm always surprised when something I have on CD is re-released, since I > think if I own it, it must be in print. I've had one Nephilim disc, > Dawnrazor, for a long time, but probably haven't listened to it for years, > so it's a bit hard for me to conjure up the music (and I don't much feel > like listening to it). It's got deep gravelly mail vocals, with the > singer somewhere in the middle of Joy Division and Skinny Puppy. The > music is guitar heavy with a thudding beat, but had occasional weird > western touchs thrown in too. That gave it a little bit of charm (but not > all that much, really). It has a sort of cool apocolyptic western cover, > which is what drew me to it in the first place. I'd recommend giving a > listen first. Thanks for the tip, I certainly will -- skinny puppy's something I'd listen to for the experience, but not necessarily buy a CD of... somehow I kinda imagined something like you described... - -Richard. @ \@/ Richard A. Holmes (rholmes@cs.stanford.edu) @ | @ \|/ "In the name of Annah the Allmaziful, the @ | Everliving, the Bringer of Plurabilities, haloed @ , , | , , be her eve, her singtime sung, her rill be run, @ ' ' ' ' ' unhemmed as it is uneven!" @ - J. J. @ @ Kiva / Kate Price \ Dar Williams / Renaissance \ Sheila Chandra / Laura Love @ Susan McKeown \ Sarah McLachlan / Libana \ Danielle Dax \ Dog Faced Hermans @ Loreena McKennitt / Kate Bush \ Tori Amos / Katell Keineg / Happy Rhodes @ Ingrid Karklins \ Sinead O'Connor / Jane Siberry / Pauline Oliveros ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 02:48:35 -0800 From: "Neil K. Guy" Subject: Re: Latest At 4:50 AM -0600 12/10/97, mbittner@juno.com wrote: > Yes, Loreena is now on local radio, KIWR, "The River". They are playing > "Mummer's Dance". So, it looks like she's being pushed hard onto radio - > a fact I'm not sure is good, but I'm glad she's finally getting the > attention she deserves. [...] (random soapbox rant here) Hm. I've often wondered about this sort of thinking. I'm not trying to slag you personally here, Matt, but your note prompts me to write about something I've been pondering for a while. And that is that I've noticed on a lot of fannish mailing lists / newsgroups / etc a feeling of "I liked artist X when he or she was unknown, but now that he or she is getting airplay I don't like them anymore." Loreena's getting that a bit now, Tori obviously got a lot of it around the second album, Sarah's getting lots given Surfacing's success. I guess I can sort of understand that feeling of - aw darn, my own private secret is now out and my tap on inside stuff is no longer as exclusive. But what's with this dissing artists' success? Hell, if mainstream radio suddenly started playing tons of Happy and Loreena and whomever, I'd be rather weirded out, but it'd give me something groovy to listen to in the car. And if creative and imaginative artists manage to sell a fair number of records, well, more power to them! I think it's kind of unreasonable to root for an unknown artist, then dump on them when they achieve some modicum of popularity. - Neil K. - -- t e l a computer consulting + design * Vancouver, BC, Canada phone: (604) 254-1002 * email: tela@tela.bc.ca web: http://www.tela.bc.ca/tela/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 06:23:12 EST From: JavaHo Subject: Re: Help with songwriter... Please! In a message dated 97-12-10 22:59:20 EST, chris@cortex.uchc.edu writes: << WHO IN THE HELL WROTE MACARTHUR PARK???!!! >> You asked, and I immediately thought, "Hey, I know the answer to that one!" Then, the name completely escaped me. HATE it when that happens, 'cause now it's gonna be on the tip of my tongue for the rest of the day. Oh well, I live in faith that several ectophiles will jump to the rescue and the answer will be waiting when I get home from work. Oh...WAIT...just popped into my head...Jimmy Webb!!! And the song has been recorded by an odd mix of artists. Anyway...hope this helps. Java n.p. Nothing...it's 5:00 am! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 07:31:23 -0500 From: "Jeffrey C. Burka" Subject: Re: Latest Neil K. Guy wrote: > (random soapbox rant here) [...] > And that is that I've noticed on a lot of fannish mailing lists / > newsgroups / etc a feeling of "I liked artist X when he or she was unknown, > but now that he or she is getting airplay I don't like them anymore." > Loreena's getting that a bit now [...] >I think it's kind of unreasonable to > root for an unknown artist, then dump on them when they achieve some > modicum of popularity. I agree whole heartedly, but also find it interesting that the radio stations themselves do it too. For a long time, local WHFS was ever so proud of themselves for being one of the first stations in the country to really push Jewel. They had Jewel station IDs, live stuff, had her as a guest at last year's xmas concert, and so on and so forth. Thing is, they've pretty much completely stopped playing her material now. Okay, okay, *I* wouldn't want to play that overbearing, string-laden version of "Foolish Games" m'self, but what about all the stuff they used to play? oh -- and don't forget that there have been a number of us who've dumped on Loreena for two albums now...not just because "Mummers Dance" is suddenly all over the radio. ;-) jeff - -- |Jeffrey C. Burka | moving to jburka@cqi.com -- come say hi | |http://www.cqi.com/~jburka | at the new digs...now up and running! | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:03:09 -0500 From: Chris Sampson Subject: MacArthur Park sspan (and several others) wrote: > ...Jimmy Webb.... Wichita Lineman... Up, Up, and Away... Donna Summer... etc. > You know, I can't think of that song without picturing Dave Thomas > doing it on Mel's Rockpile.. Me either... Dave Thomas seems so much more "authentic" than Richard Harris himself. I did forget that it was on Mel's Rockpile, though... SCTV was more consistently funny than, say, SNL. For instance, Joe Flaherty as Elke Stereopoulos "Xeh, Bebee, Ouats Xeppenin'?"... or as Count Floyd... Scerry Stuff... Thanks to all who chimed in... Regards, Chris... who is now in an SCTV reverie. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 09:54:40 -0600 From: JEFFREY_HANSON@NSDGATE3.nsd.fmc.com (JEFFREY HANSON) Subject: Re[2]: Latest - --IMA.Boundary.028558188 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I agree Neil. I think its really unfortunate when people start dissing people for being popular. It's not the artists fault (usually). However, with great success, comes the risk of overexposure. As diehard a Jewel fan as I am, for instance, there comes a time when even I don't want to hear You Were Meant for Me one more time. However, I tend to see it more as the record companies fault than the artist. Atlantic should have released Jewel's follow-up album at least a year ago, but instead they've decided to milk "Pieces of You" for all its worth, and now she's being ridiculed on Saturday Night Live and The Billboard Music Awards for singing the same songs over and over again. Which is totally untrue, since she's one of the most prolific songwriters around. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Latest Author: "Neil K. Guy" at NSDSMTP Date: 12/11/97 2:48 AM At 4:50 AM -0600 12/10/97, mbittner@juno.com wrote: > Yes, Loreena is now on local radio, KIWR, "The River". They are playing > "Mummer's Dance". So, it looks like she's being pushed hard onto radio - > a fact I'm not sure is good, but I'm glad she's finally getting the > attention she deserves. [...] (random soapbox rant here) Hm. I've often wondered about this sort of thinking. I'm not trying to slag you personally here, Matt, but your note prompts me to write about something I've been pondering for a while. And that is that I've noticed on a lot of fannish mailing lists / newsgroups / etc a feeling of "I liked artist X when he or she was unknown, but now that he or she is getting airplay I don't like them anymore." Loreena's getting that a bit now, Tori obviously got a lot of it around the second album, Sarah's getting lots given Surfacing's success. I guess I can sort of understand that feeling of - aw darn, my own private secret is now out and my tap on inside stuff is no longer as exclusive. But what's with this dissing artists' success? Hell, if mainstream radio suddenly started playing tons of Happy and Loreena and whomever, I'd be rather weirded out, but it'd give me something groovy to listen to in the car. And if creative and imaginative artists manage to sell a fair number of records, well, more power to them! I think it's kind of unreasonable to root for an unknown artist, then dump on them when they achieve some modicum of popularity. - Neil K. - -- t e l a computer consulting + design * Vancouver, BC, Canada phone: (604) 254-1002 * email: tela@tela.bc.ca web: http://www.tela.bc.ca/tela/ - --IMA.Boundary.028558188 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Content-Disposition: inline; filename="RFC822 message headers" Received: from nsd.fmc.com (128.254.72.21) by NSDGATE3.NSD.FMC.COM with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange 2.1 (Gold Candidate) Enterprise) id 000233F0; Thu, 11 Dec 97 05:11:38 -0600 Received: from igw.fmc.com by nsd.fmc.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id FAA13183; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 05:07:52 -0600 Received: from shore.shore.net by igw.fmc.com with SMTP id AA01329 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Thu, 11 Dec 1997 05:07:49 -0600 Received: from jane.smoe.org (majordom@smoe.org [204.167.97.154]) by shore.shore.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA23581; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 06:07:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-listq-jane) id GAA22727; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 06:07:45 -0500 Received: by jane.smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.5); Thu, 11 Dec 1997 06:07:28 -0500 Received: by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-listq-jane) id FAA22662; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 05:51:20 -0500 Received: from jack.direct.ca (jack.direct.ca [199.60.229.4]) by jane.smoe.org (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-daemon-mode-relay2) with SMTP id FAA22658 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 05:51:13 -0500 Received: from van-52-1818.direct.ca [204.174.243.114] by jack.direct.ca with esmtp (Exim 1.70 #1) id 0xg6BL-0001Mq-00; Thu, 11 Dec 1997 02:49:27 -0800 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <19971210.045121.4590.0.mbittner@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 02:48:35 -0800 To: ecto@smoe.org From: "Neil K. Guy" Subject: Re: Latest Sender: owner-ecto@smoe.org Precedence: bulk - --IMA.Boundary.028558188-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 11:22:18 -0500 (EST) From: Rachel Kramer Bussel Subject: Rachel's zine - I'm Not Waiting #2 The 2nd issue of my zine, I'm Not Waiting, will be ready to be sent out next week. It has an "interview" (really just a long reply) with Melissa Farris from Tuscadero about "selling out" and Elektra, jerks at shows, and candy, an interview with Dawn from the Panties, a drawing by Dan Bern, zine/book/record reviews, and pretty long articles/rants by me on "musical integrity" and bisexuality/labeling. If you want a copy, send $1 and 2 stamps or a $1.50 check made out to Rachel Kramer Bussel to: I'm Not Waiting c/o Bussel 130 New Road #L-10 Parsippany, NJ 07054 Thanks, and if you have any questions email me at rkb200@is5.nyu.edu :) Rachel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 12:42:26 -0500 From: Dan Stark Subject: Re: Re[2]: Latest At 09:54 AM 12/11/97 -0600, JEFFREY HANSON wrote: >Atlantic should >have released Jewel's follow-up album at least a year ago, but instead >they've decided to milk "Pieces of You" for all its worth, and now she's >being ridiculed on Saturday Night Live and The Billboard Music Awards >for singing the same songs over and over again. Which is totally untrue, >since she's one of the most prolific songwriters around. Great news Jeff! Word is that Jewel's new album is has now been scheduled for release just in time for Christmas. 1998. I think Jewel must feel fortunate that Atlantic is not pressuring her to somehow come up with at least a dozen new songs for a follow-up album too quickly on the heels of Pieces of You. Clearly they have her best artistic interests in mind and are endeavoring not to exhaust her creative process. Just think, now she'll have time to sit down and actually think up some new material. It's a complicated process you know, it's not like she could just walk into the studio with a guitar one afternoon and single-handedly rattle off a brilliant solo album. No, she desperately needs a team of producers and as many big-name guest musicians as possible to get this next one past the auditorium focus group. If they're really thinking, Atlantic could team her up with Alanis and Celine Dion and call the next album "The Three Sopranos". Until then, fans should feel lucky that all those inferior songs Jewel has been boring people with at her shows and that she recorded in Bearsville can die a well-deserved death. This way, instead of having to endure a confusing assortment of new Jewel songs in the near future, the public can rely on a tried and true collection of hits. Then the follow-up album should be able to stand the next TEST of time. In the meantime, I wonder what the next single from Pieces Of You will be? Near you always, Dan - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- All spam email sent to this address will automatically be forwarded to I.R.S. and USPIS fraud investigation, FTC fraud and pyramid investigators, Securities & Exchange Commission, and many more. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 10:13:42 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Holmes Subject: Re: Latest "Jeffrey C. Burka" writes > Neil K. Guy wrote: > > > (random soapbox rant here) > [...] > > And that is that I've noticed on a lot of fannish mailing lists / > > newsgroups / etc a feeling of "I liked artist X when he or she was unknown, > > but now that he or she is getting airplay I don't like them anymore." > > Loreena's getting that a bit now > [...] > >I think it's kind of unreasonable to > > root for an unknown artist, then dump on them when they achieve some > > modicum of popularity. Yes this is a weird phenomenon, however sometimes the commercial play coincides with a more "commercial" sound, which may be what *some* are really complaining about. > oh -- and don't forget that there have been a number of us who've dumped on > Loreena for two albums now...not just because "Mummers Dance" is suddenly all > over the radio. ;-) I rather like the last two Loreena albums; different, but excellent as well. We all change and evolve, and can't go back to what we were before. And we still have the old Loreenas to listen to. Maybe we should make some music ourselves, the way *we* want it to be, and we won't have to complain about when someone changes style. Then we'd all have *more* to listen to, and have fun in the process..... (yeah, I know its a tall order to sound like Pre-Mask-and-Mirror Loreena, but wouldn't it be fun trying????? ;-) - -Richard. @ \@/ Richard A. Holmes (rholmes@cs.stanford.edu) @ | @ \|/ "O dark expansive sea of night, @ | Tapestry of stars and solitude, @ , , | , , Crashing waves of chaos, Deep void of becoming, @ ' ' ' ' ' Radiant blackness, all-enfolding, @ Constant well of creation, @ Bestow you dark gifts and silver sparks @ On your parched and thirsty child. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:51:49 -0500 From: Chris Sampson Subject: Re: Latest Richard Holmes wrote: > > "Jeffrey C. Burka" writes > > Neil K. Guy wrote: > > > > > And that is that I've noticed on a lot of fannish mailing lists / > > > newsgroups / etc a feeling of "I liked artist X when he or she was unknown, > > > but now that he or she is getting airplay I don't like them anymore." > > > Loreena's getting that a bit now > Yes this is a weird phenomenon, however sometimes the commercial play > coincides with a more "commercial" sound, which may be what *some* are > really complaining about. My $0.02... Two phenomena... One: Affected fans spurn suddenly famous artist... Can't define oneself as being counterculture if your hero is embraced by the mainstream... Two: Commercial success equals commercial sound... writing for income and not as much for "artistic" reasons. Simply a manifestation of the temptation of complacency and formula. Either one (or both) can be active in any case. Not much of a Loreena fan, don't know if that's what's at work. I would suggest that Under the Pink was a lesser work than was Little Earthquakes (and would deny that LE was better because I heard it first... though the sequence effect is certainly possible.). Somehow I feel validated in my suspicions since Ms. Amos has had her nose "fixed"... Despite previous protestations to the contrary, I believe this signals a "caving in" to the mainstream... after her ranting that "guys are too simple... go for "bonestructure" [rather than inner beauty]"... she has a rhinoplasty? Y... kant Tori breathe? Other examples... ELP's LP "Love Beach" was either the beginning of the end, or, more likely, the end of the end... yuck! Similar stories wrt ELO... Billy Joel... uhhhh... The Dead went there and (fortunately) came back from the dead.... Elton John... the list goes on. It's just too easy to go for the money once the money becomes a cause, rather than an effect. I don't blame the artists to whom this has happened, BTW, I don't feel superior to them. Suzanne Vega... loved the edginess of the first? one... y'know which one I mean... The one after wasn't bad, either... Then... "Luka"... still had the lyric content, but I didn't like it as much as that first one... "Straight Lines", ... can't remember any other titles... Floyd's had some trouble on and off along these lines, as well. Well, that's all $0.02 buys these days. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 16:10:47 -0500 (EST) From: Gentle Moose Subject: Re: Fields of the Nephilim (was "Re: this week's new releases") On Wed, 10 Dec 1997, Richard Holmes wrote: > > - FIELDS OF THE NEPHILIM - Dawnrazor; Earth Inferno; Elysium and The > > Nephilim (Beggars Banquet) > > So what does anyone thing of the FIELDS OF THE NEPHILIM - I was > considering purchasing one of theirs sound unheard, but picked up > Elysian Fields "Bleed Your Cedar" and Sarah's "B sides" and Lisa > Germano's "Love Circus" instead... I guess I had to get *one* > release which had some fields in it.... =8^) Eh - do NOT pick up Fields of the Nephilim if you're looking for Ectoish mucis. They have their roots in gothic rock and have, of late, moved to a more metal-ish sound. NOT ecto fare. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:30:52 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: Latest On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Chris Sampson wrote: > Two: Commercial success equals commercial sound... writing for income > and not as much for "artistic" reasons. Simply a manifestation of the > temptation of complacency and formula. > > Either one (or both) can be active in any case. Not much of a Loreena > fan, don't know if that's what's at work. I would suggest that Under > the Pink was a lesser work than was Little Earthquakes (and would deny > that LE was better because I heard it first... though the sequence > effect is certainly possible.). Somehow I feel validated in my > suspicions since Ms. Amos has had her nose "fixed"... Despite previous > protestations to the contrary, I believe this signals a "caving in" to > the mainstream... after her ranting that "guys are too simple... go for > "bonestructure" [rather than inner beauty]"... she has a rhinoplasty? > Y... kant Tori breathe? Well, I hardly see how Tori having a nosejob has anything to do do with her music. I agree that UtP wasn't quite as good as LE, but I don't think that it had anything to do with Tori trying to be more mainstream or more commercial as UtP hardly fit either of those criteria, and BfP was probably the least mainstream sounding of her three albums. I'd actually use Tori as an example of someone who became popular without changing her music to make it more commercial. Mike np: Emily Bezar -- Moon In Grenadine | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@compuserve.com | | http://www.io.com/~mcurry | | Am I bitter? Do I sound bitter? -- Veda Hille | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:34:39 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: Latest On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Richard Holmes wrote: > Yes this is a weird phenomenon, however sometimes the commercial play > coincides with a more "commercial" sound, which may be what *some* are > really complaining about. In my case that's exactly it. As an example, I was happy for Sarah McLachlan every time something from FtE got airplay and she got some recognition, but to my ears Surfacing sounds much more commercial and mainstream so hearing "Building a Mystery" just sort of annoys me. Mike np: Emily Bezar -- Moon In Grenadine | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@compuserve.com | | http://www.io.com/~mcurry | | Am I bitter? Do I sound bitter? -- Veda Hille | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 15:50:08 -0600 (CST) From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Latest On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Chris Sampson wrote: > Other examples... ELP's LP "Love Beach" was either the beginning of the > end, or, more likely, > the end of the end... yuck! I have never quite grokked what people dislike so much about Love Beach. "All I Want is You" is one of my favorites of their songs. It's also interesting to see artists pull a left turn and release something much less "commercial" than their norm after becoming famous, like Bruce Springsteen's "Nebraska", or Jane Siberry's "Maria", or Joe Jackson's orchestral stuff. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 13:55:40 -0700 From: Neile Graham Subject: Re: Latest Chris Sampson wrote: >I would suggest that Under the Pink was a >lesser work than > was Little Earthquakes (and would deny that LE was better because I >heard it first... > though the sequence effect is certainly possible.). Yes, but many of us would disagree. I think Under The Pink was a far more interesting and better album than Little Earthquakes and that Boys For Pele was even better than that, so I think tastes here can really vary. You certainly can't call it either of them albums that were trying to appeal to the mainstream, even if they did have singles that did well. I also think cosmetic surgery is a personal decision, and even if she did have it (which I'm not convinced she did) I'm sure she didn't do it to appeal to the mainstream. It probably was the first time she could afford to do it. Anyway, back to the main argument, I think that people being "discovered" can be both bad and good for them. And sometimes an artist just moves in a direction people aren't ready for. A good example is Jane Siberry's slide over to jazz after _When I Was A Boy_, which especially on ecto is a favourite album. A lot of people didn't like _Maria_ and I haven't heard much buzz here about _Child_ at all. I do think it really varies, but there are few artists whose music I can stand to listen to who have hit it big in the mainstream. Jewel? Well, I never was hugely fond of _Pieces of You_ as an album anyway, and preferred songs that she doesn't seem to even do anymore, like her poem songs and "Nicotine Love" and "Daddy's She's a Goddess". "Nicotine Love" is the one song Jewel's even done that gave me shivers. Sarah? I actually wasn't that thrilled by _Fumbling_ even, but she's always been an iffy artist for me (too pretty). I hate to think that I wouldn't like someone's music simply because they hit the mainstream. I know that the opposite happened for me with Nirvana--I didn't actually get to like their music until it was popular and I heard it enough that it resolved into music for me, past the stage of being noise. But that doesn't happen very often. Anyway. It's interesting to think about. I do love finding obscure artists and the whole sense of intimacy you get from knowing someone when they're not a huge star. It will be interesting to see what happens to Happy and to Veda now that they both have the ability to reach far bigger audiences than they ever have before. - --Neile - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Neile Graham ..... http://www.sff.net/people/neile ..... neile@sff.net The Ectophiles' Guide to Good Music .... http://www.smoe.org/ectoguide - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 20:01:13 -0800 From: hillaryj@mindspring.com (Hillary Jackson) Subject: "The Soul of Christmas" on PBS Keep your eye out for PBS' "The Soul of Christmas" which is airing nationwide during the month of December. The special is being aired in tandem with the release of the CD by the same name on Tommy Boy's Upaya label. The show features Celtic carols arranged by composer/fiddler Johnny Cunningham (also the composer of Peter & Wendy) and sung by: Susan McKeown Cathie Ryan Jane Siberry Iris DeMent Liam Tiernan and Johnny Cunningham Plus there's a taped portion with Kathy Mattea. The muscicians are: Johnny Cunningham Seamus Egan John Doyle Jerry O'Sullivan and Robin Spielberg It's hosted by Thomas Moore, author of Care of the Soul, and in between songs Mr. Moore opens up discussions on the spiritual nature of the carols and Christmas. Here is the schedule of broadcasts: New York WLIW 12/13 Saturday 4:30PM New York WNET 12/21 Sunday 12:00PM WNET 12/23 Tuesday 1:00AM Los Angeles KOCE 12/12 Friday 9:30PM San Francisco KQED 12/24 Wednesday 10:45PM Washington WETA 12/13 Saturday 5:00PM Detroit WVTS 12/14 Sunday 7:00PM Atlanta WGTV 12/22 Monday 11:30PM Seattle KCTS 12/24 Wednesday 10:00PM Minneapolis KTCA 12/24 Wednesday 11:00PM 12/25 Thursday 12:30PM Pittsburgh KQED 12/11 Thursday 10:00PM Portland KOPB 12/21 Sunday 7:00PM Indianapolis WFYI 12/25 Thursday 4:00PM Saly Lake City KUED 12/19 Friday 8:00PM Buffalo WNED 12/11 Thursday 10:00PM New Orleans WYES 12/21 Sunday 12:00PM 12/24 Wednesday 10:00PM 12/25 Thursday 1:00PM Memphis WKNO 12/21 Sunday 3:00PM Oklahoma KETA 12/18 Thursday 8:00PM Albany WHMT 12/14 Sunday Baton Rouge WLPB 12/10 Wednesday 7:00PM Happy Holidays! Hillary - -------------------------------------------------------------- "My heart is dirty my life is clean."--Veda Hille - -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:10:20 -0500 (EST) From: "John D. Angeline" Subject: request... I am semi-embarrassed to ask this, but since there are many people on this list with diverse music collections, I was wondering if someone could point me in the direction of the following. The disc I seek is by a French singer named Desireless, and the disc is entitled Francois, with the "hit" singles Voyage Voyage and John. It is not especially amazing music nor anything I'd particularly recommend, but it has a certain nostalgic value to me and has become something of an obsession. I have not been able to locate it and fear it may be out of print, but if anyone out there can offer any help, I'd certainly appreciate it. Thanks, John ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 18:10:43 -0600 (CST) From: Michael Curry Subject: Re: "The Soul of Christmas" on PBS On Thu, 11 Dec 1997, Hillary Jackson wrote: > > Keep your eye out for PBS' "The Soul of Christmas" which is airing > nationwide during the month of December. > > > Here is the schedule of broadcasts: > Umm... please tell me that's not the complete list of PBS stations that will be broadcasting it. The absence of WGBH Boston would certainly be surprising. Mike | Michael Curry / mcurry@io.com / mcurry@compuserve.com | | http://www.io.com/~mcurry | | Am I bitter? Do I sound bitter? -- Veda Hille | ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 20:04:12 -0600 (CST) From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Subject: It is later than you think So far I have one package of music for the '97 Happy Gift Project in hand, and two others reported in the pipeline. We can do better :-). It would be nice if I were to get mailbombed with contributed music when the mailman visits my house on Monday, the 15th; but if you haven't got your contribution in the mail yet, try to get it mailed by Monday. If you can't get it in the mail by Monday, get it in ASAP next week. I don't want to go into overtime on this, but if I have to I will. With visions of incoming c-100s dancing in my head, I remain Mitch ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 14:38:21 -0800 From: "lanblind" Subject: Re: ecto-digest V3 #100 hi, and as I mentioned last time I am in love with the new Rickie Lee Jones-Ghostyhead..so cool, trip-hop folk-stoney....is anyone else madly in love with this???? As any info on Katell Keineg, my second most played cd besides my own (haha)...I found her by accident (sounds like Sade on acid then Vega-ish) and want to know where she is from and if she has any more albums and what they are like????Anyone??? Also, I love the start of Love is Colder Than Death...starts off beautiful fem vocals, dreamy churchy, a little goth, medieval...the last 4/5 songs bring in a male voice (OH NO A MAN IS SINGING JUST KIDDING) but it gets hardcore goth/rock but if anyone knows if any of their other albums sticks with the female lead???? Any news on the new Portishead...critics say yeah and nah as usuall.......SO HAPPY TO BE BACK ON THIS LIST WHICH TALKS ABOUT EVERYONE AND EVERYTHING BESIDES JANE SIBERRY'S UNDERWEAR! OK, I'll stop ranting. Last minute Ecto-gifts?????If you are on this list and email me at lanblind@teleport.com I will send you Land of the BLind's new CD OUT OF CHAOS immediately and if you like it you can send me $10 and if you don't you can give it for a gift and send me only $5...How's that for strange...Ecto-list only...I only have 500 left and Tower and such sell it for $16...it's an ecto-thing only, I am interested only in getting my music to the people that would love it and hearing what they think. That is the reason I recorded it, after all. Is the Milla everyone talking about eating a lobster the same Milla-actress/model/singer whose album I loved a few back????Ok, enough questions...peace, happy holidays -Cyoakha, lead fool, Land O Blind - ---------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 1997 22:53:04 -0600 From: Joseph Zitt Subject: Re: Latest Neile Graham wrote: > Yes, but many of us would disagree. I think Under The Pink was a far more > interesting and better album than Little Earthquakes and that Boys For Pele > was even better than that, so I think tastes here can really vary. You > certainly can't call it either of them albums that were trying to appeal to > the mainstream, even if they did have singles that did well. I think that her albums have been getting progressively less mainstream. While I found UtP to be a grabber, it was much farther out than LE. And IMHO, by BfP she had dissolved into a pile of mannerisms. (Sometimes there's a good reason for record producers...) - -- - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ===== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Maryland? = <*> SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List <*> = ecto \|| |/ http://www.realtime.net/~jzitt ====== Comma: Voices of New Music \| ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V3 #101 **************************