From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #373 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, 6 February 1996 Volume 02 : Number 373 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: AfterMe@aol.com Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 23:34:35 -0500 Subject: AfterMe Tori set-price items Left, Feb 5th This is what I have left of the set sale items. THE PRICES ARE LOWERED; Enjoy.... The AUCTION is still going until Feb 10th, 1996. If you are interested in buying an item, or biding for something, write me via e-mail, and I’ll either confirm or deny your order in the same manner. All set price items are first come, first serve. The Biding for the 6 special CDs will be open until Feb. 7th, 1996. ****When you e-mail me put TORI as your subject line, please. MY E-MAIL ADDRESS IS: AfterMe@aol.com My Name is: CHRIS ****All Payment Must Be By Money Order**** CD SINGLES: Cornflake Girl w/ Sister Janet, All The Girls Hate Her, Over It Fat Jewel Box, East/West, lyrics included 9.00 Caught A Lite Sneeze w/ This Old Man, That’s What I Like Mick, Graveyard, Toodles Mr. Jim, Slim Jewel Box, Atlantic, No Lyrics 2.00 FULL LENGTH CDS: Toys Soundtrack, w/Tori track Happy Workers 5.00 Higher Learning Soundtrack, w/Tori tracks Butterfly(original), and Losing My Religion(cover) 5.00 thanks---- Chris ------------------------------ From: Steve Ito Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 23:36:50 -0500 Subject: Tori singles/Cate Friesen & Veda Hille Hi folks, >Past The Mission(live) w/ Upside Down(live), Icicle(live), Flying >Dutchman(live) >Digi-Pack, East/West, Tour Dates Inside, HIGHEST BID $40 I wonder if he actually did get a bid this high? This can't possibly be worth so much, could it? Just a couple of weeks ago I saw a shrink-wrapped copy at the local outlet of a national chain store for $16 or so Canadian MAX ($11 or $12 US). If it really is worth that much, I'll have to run down and grab that copy (as ruthlessly capitalistic as that sounds). - ---------------------- Does anyone know anything about Cate Friesen? I'm thinking of going to a CD release thingy of hers on Thursday. Apparently Veda Hille is one of her backing musicians. Don't know if she's actually performing with Cate, though. Steve - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Ito, | "Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who Psychology Dept. | says differently is selling something." University of Toronto | -- The Dread Pirate Roberts Toronto, ON, Can. | ------------------------------ From: "valerie kraemer" Date: Mon, 5 Feb 1996 18:17:38 +0000 Subject: Re: Borders/Barnes and Noble/Mega-Bookstores In response to the news about the Happy/Borders tour: I'm writing to voice a cranky, pet peeve of mine. Since I hardly ever contribute anything to this list (which I enjoy reading tremendously) you might think of me as a cranky, pet peeve sort of girl. I'm very glad that Happy might have a possible mini-tour at Borders bookstores in the Midwest. I must, however, remind everyone of the tremendous damage that Borders, Barnes and Noble and other mega-bookstores of this ilk are doing to the independent bookstores of cities and towns, large and small, across the country. Very often these stores come into a city and deliberately situate themselves in the same neighborhood as the most popular independent store in town. In the past two years, these stores, many of which have been existance for decades, are going belly-up left and right. So, I guess my word to you is to congratulate Happy. This really is a GREAT opportunity for her. To the rest of you: the message is to always support your local, independent book and record stores above the mega-chains. And being the independent ecto-folks that you are, I'm sure you will. - --Valerie Kraemer ------------------------------ From: Miguel Antonio Gonzalez Date: Tue, 06 Feb 1996 00:17:21 +0100 Subject: Tori on Z100 New York Tuesday, February 6, 1996 self explanatory. Apparently it's going to be an acoustic set during the morning show. Hope it's better than the WNEW-FM half hour thing today. Dad #2 ------------------------------ From: MATH TRIED ERR Date: Mon, 05 Feb 1996 23:05:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: broadcast news Hi! jeffy gloated: >I know you don't want to hear this, meth, but yes, I'm listening to Tori's >MRL appearance, and frankly it's fuckin' INCREDIBLE, and of course, I don't >have a way to record it. In fact, I didn't even know she was on tonight, >until I left a coffee house and turned on the radio. Yeah, well, a few minutes after I posted that I happened to turn on the radio to discover that Z-100 does indeed still carry Modern Rock Live, though NOT at the time I thought. :P It was way too late to put in a tape. Again, any- body out there tape this??? >Le'see. So far, I've heard "Leather", "Putting the Damage On," "Dougnut >Song," "Losing My Religion," and one, "I don't feel like playing anything >I've recorded, so I'll just improvise something really spiff." Wasn't that great? I hear tell she did the same thing on WNEW this afternoon, too. Of course, I couldn't tell you for certain, because I screwed up and THAT didn't tape, either. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!!! Oh, well - I *know* a friend of mine taped that, so all is not lost. Piffle. >And there have been some intelligent questions and nifty (and often >bizarre) answers. I especially liked her answer to the guy who asked why she decided to use Baroque instruments on BfP -- in a nutshell, "I was regressing back to the roots of womanhood and devolving, so I felt my instruments had to devolve, too." Heh. Patrick posted: > Guess I missed Tori on CBS This Morning today, could someone >tell me what she sang, did they interview her, etc. I haven't dared check to see if my tape of that came out yet... I'll let you know. >Also I saw that >someone had posted that she would be on Letterman. I know about the >Leno show this week but when is Letterman? Hmmm... dunno about that. I do know that Aimee Mann is on Letterman tonight, though... >Also can anyone give me >info on her appearance on Regis & Kathie Lee last Friday(2nd)? It was pretty amusing. Reege and Kathie L. were syrupy and fawning as usual, and obviously didn't know what the hell to make of her. Tori looked bizarre in a red sweater and *very* short skirt (someone ought to tell her that if you're gonna have hair that shade at least pick tops that match, and I'm not going to repeat the rude remark woj made about her lack of underwear), played an interestingly chopped-up version of "Putting The Damage On", couldn't get a word in edgewise, and basically conducted herself with perfect decorum the entire time. I get the feeling she let herself slip back into greeting-the- monster-in-our-Easter-dresses Church mode as a means of survival. Stuart explained: >At the beginning, Tori comes crashing through a window. At this point, >I did remember some discussion somewhere of a video where this occurred, >although I could have sworn this was supposed to happen in the non-US >"Cornflake Girl" video. Anyway, after coming through the window, Tori >ends up in a fairly barren room. The rest of the video shows Tori >singing while sitting on a couch and/or sofa, laying in bed with some >blonde guy, or surrounded by men in underwear and hats. It felt more >like a _Little Earthquakes_ era video than any of the more recent ones. >I wonder if it was directed by Cindy Palmano... Wow. I had *no* idea this thing even existed!!! I REALLY hope they put out another video compilation sometime... Kerry warned: > Stay away from Barnes&Noble! EWS is bad enough, but pseudo-EWS, OWW!! No kidding. The B&N I go to doesn't even have CD's, and I can never get out of there without major damage. This evening it was time to catch up on the magazines - the issue of Q with the excellent article about BfP in, the current issue of Performing Songwriter with an article on Jane Siberry, and the current issue of Musician, which has a positive review of BfP as its lead review, with an excellent close-up shot of Tori in the background of the page layout. The issue of SPIN with Tori on the cover is supposedly out in New York City, but they didn't have it yet up here. Vickie resurfaced (Hi, Vickie!!!): >I'm not sure if it'll be useful or wanted. Would anyone want >to see images from videos and live performance in lieu of seeing >the actual videos? Sure! woj and I have wiled away a few lazy afternoons with Framegrabber on the ancient Amiga currently serving as a plant stand in the living room, and we've gotten some excellent stills from various Kate, Sarah, and Tori videos. It's nice to know that we're not alone. ;> >"what's the point?"? (why does that seem so right and look so >wrong? Is there a word for people who study punctuation? Punctuologist?) :) I don't think you need the "?" outside of the "". (Yeah, like THAT made sense...) Charley went into excruciating detail: > I'm back, one gallbladder lighter, and with an entirely new >definition of the word PAIN. Yowch! I'm glad you made it through alive!!! +===========================================================================+ |Meredith Tarr meth@delphi.com| |Boonton, NJ USA http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/meth/| +===========================================================================+ | "nothing's gonna stop me from floating" - Tori Amos | +===========================================================================+ ------------------------------ From: f.mcguire1@genie.com Date: Tue, 6 Feb 96 06:00:00 UTC 0000 Subject: [none] unsubscribe ecto ------------------------------ From: Nicholas Hill Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 02:04:30 -0500 Subject: Modern Rock Live Meth, Modern Rock Live used to be on WDRE 92.7FM.. I would assume with five boy rock stations in NYC now someone would carry it.. Try there first.. ********************************************************** Nicholas Hill faucet@pipeline.com ------------------------------ From: Dirk Kastens Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 13:18:33 +0100 (NFT) Subject: Re: Male Ecto and more from Europe Hi folks, I'm just wading through the last 20 digests. Reading about the low temperature in the USA, I can't believe that I was lying in the sun and swimming in the Atlantic Ocean only 8 days ago... No, there haven't been any ice flows, the water had +17-20 degrees C. Gleb wrote about Holger Czukay: >Today he turned back to experimental stuff. Mostly trance-psychedelic >plus unrepeatable german colour. Can't describe. Anyway more interesting >than Irmin Schmidt's soundtracks. Here's the whole line of their >CDs from Spoon records so I even lost in them. I've listened to half >of all that I think. Irmin Schmidt made a wonderful dark and melancholic soundtrack to the German TV episode "Rote Erde" (red earth) in 1984, a miner's episode. I only have it on vinyl and haven't seen it on CD, yet. And a few years before he made a very experimental and inventive electronic album in collaboration with the Swiss Bruno Spoerri, called "Toy Planet". I've just re-bought it on CD at a very low price. Dirk Kastens _______________Dirk.Kastens@rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE Universitaet Osnabrueck Phone: +49/541/969-2347 (work) Rechenzentrum Fax: +49/541/969-2470 (work) Albrechtstr. 28 Phone: +49/541/258182 (private) 49069 Osnabrueck Germany ------------------------------ From: athol-brose Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 08:09:10 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Borders/Barnes and Noble/Mega-Bookstores > So, I guess my word to you is to congratulate Happy. This really is a > GREAT opportunity for her. To the rest of you: the message is to > always support your local, independent book and record stores above > the mega-chains. And being the independent ecto-folks that you are, > I'm sure you will. I guess I'm very lucky, then, to have a local, independent book and record megastore. Gosh, I like where I live. The only bookstore I'd ever gone to in the area before Joseph-Beth moved in was Drew's. Drew's was good, but long before J-B opened, it got to the point where trying to get questions answered or books special ordered was far worse than pulling teeth. J-B's responsiveness was a great breath of fresh air. (They actualy got a copy of Laurie Anderson's "Words In Reverse" for me.) Barnes and Noble's also come to town, but I don't shop there. - -- r. n. dominick -- cinnamon@one.net -- http://w3.one.net/~cinnamon/ "To dance is human; to polka, divine." -- k.d. lang ------------------------------ From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 96 00:51:22 EST Subject: Re: Sleeper Paul wrote: >You should all do your ears a favour and buy "Smart" by Sleeper. > >The singer/songwriter Louise Verner has a huge talent (she and her band beat Better make that Louise Wener. :-) - - Anthony (trainspotting) - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au http://daemon.apana.org.au/~anthony/ Physical mail: P.O. Box 40, Malvern 3144, Victoria, Australia "The red sky was bleeding glimpses of heaven, in sections of seven..." - Rose Chronicles reaching lyrical perfection on "Awaiting Eternity" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 96 00:55:56 EST Subject: Re: sTuff Stuart said of the "Pretty Good Year" video: >It felt more >like a _Little Earthquakes_ era video than any of the more recent ones. >I wonder if it was directed by Cindy Palmano... It was. It's on the 4-track video given away free in Australia with "Under The Pink" (along with the UK version of "Cornflake Girl", "Past The Mission" and "God"); anyone with PAL format equipment is welcome to a dub. Unfortunately I don't currently have access to PAL-NTSC conversion gear. - - Anthony - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au http://daemon.apana.org.au/~anthony/ Physical mail: P.O. Box 40, Malvern 3144, Victoria, Australia "The red sky was bleeding glimpses of heaven, in sections of seven..." - Rose Chronicles reaching lyrical perfection on "Awaiting Eternity" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Date: Wed, 7 Feb 96 00:45:54 EST Subject: Re: a dissenting thought on tori-damn this is long. Irvin wrote: > i will probably get flamed for this. Not on Ecto you won't... :-) [...] > if what sue says below is true about tori and how RS's review >affected her, i think tori has some growing up to do. > >> Sue Trowbridge wrote: >> >I heard that Tori was in tears during her Saturday Night Live rehearsal >> >because she was so upset about the Rolling Stone review of BFP. Apparently [...] > i didn't read the rolling stone article. but if i were to write >a review of BfP i would not have given it a very high grade either. i >feel their are some really great moments in the album. but on the whole >it fails to hold my interest. and i wonder why. if tori cannot handle >criticism, how is she going to grow as an artist? > > NOW there is a difference between slamming someone, and writing a >constructive review of an album. i know that. but someone needs to tell >tori that if she was slammed by a reporter saying something like "tori is >not one of us, she is one of the useless" that is just bullshit. the writer >is just trying to be an asshole by writing something he thinks is clever >and a soundbyte. If someone wrote a vicious comment about _you_ in a magazine that sells hundreds of thousands of copies (NME, in this case), wouldn't you feel more than a little hurt and abused? Personal attacks have *no* place in a record review, and writers that think that they're being clever or amusing by including them should quit writing and take up sanitation disposal. > now i understand that it hurts to have your artwork slammed. to >have something that you put out for the world shunned, or insulted. but >that go with the territory. and if you don't want to hear that, then >keep writing and producing music, but don't release it for the public, or >better yet, release it and sell it via your own fan club. You've made the point that you know the difference between slamming someone and constructively criticising their artistic output. It has become accepted that artists who publish work can expect criticism, and that's fine; but there is a responsibility attendant to that, and that resposibility doesn't become redundant simply because Tori's lyrics are a little more obtuse than your average Beastie Boys record. Would these same writers go into print saying that John Lennon was a kooky, insane little thing because he wrote "Crabalocker fishwife, pornographic priestess, boy you've been a naughty girl you've let your knickers down"? Uh-uh. They're widely regarded as "brilliant". Why, then, is the lyrical content of "Boys For Pele" causing such concern with hack journalists? Don't these people ever read Lewis Carroll? >tori needs to realize that >either she ignores reviews or read them for constructive criticism. tori >has released TWO albums already. and if on her third album she gets so >upset over one review, then she needs to find another occupation. This album is a highly personal work borne from a very difficult time in her life. The criticism of it seems to stem more from her public profile and "image" than the work itself. She is being done an injustice, and she has every right to be upset about it. > i really feel BfP needs a tighter focus and a tighter >arrangment. the album probably would have been better if there was 20 >minutes cut out. but i think that today artist's feel like if you can >fit 72 minutes on a CD there better be 72 minutes on there. You can fit 82 minutes on a CD. :-) The best thing about CDs is that, finally, an album can be as long as it needs to be without having to be truncated for technical reasons. "Boys For Pele" happens to run for 70 minutes and 33 seconds; if it had arrived in the pre-CD days, it may well have been a double album. > i know i probably won't be liked for voicing my opinion. but i >just had to say it. Unlike a certain other mailing list or many usenet newsgroups, I think you'll find there are more rational discussions than flame wars about this. :) - - Anthony - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au http://daemon.apana.org.au/~anthony/ Physical mail: P.O. Box 40, Malvern 3144, Victoria, Australia "The red sky was bleeding glimpses of heaven, in sections of seven..." - Rose Chronicles reaching lyrical perfection on "Awaiting Eternity" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Nicholas Hill Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 10:23:30 -0500 Subject: Re: Wygals ? On Mon, Feb 5, 1996 11:21:45 PM at wrote: >Aaaanyway, I was going through a tape last night with some very >interesting artists, such as Diamanda (the video for "Double-Barrelled >Prayer"), Clara Rockmore, Mary Margaret O'Hara, and others, and >I came across a group called The Wygals. I didn't tape this, it >came from my friend Kim...she thought I'd like it. I do like it, >and I've never heard of the band before getting this tape from >Kim, and I've never heard of the band since. > >Has *anyone* heard of The Wygals? The name of the song is "Eat A >Horse" and the album (which I've never seen) looks like _Honyocks >In The Whithersoever_ (?) on Rough Trade Records. Kim gave me this >video (which was played on MTV's 120 Minutes...probably just this >once) in 1990, but I don't know when she got it. > >Any tidbits of information at all would be appreciated. > hey Vickie.. The Wygals have that one album out and when Rough Trade went bankrupt They bought all the stock so that they wouldnt end up in the cut out bins.. Well instead they have a basement full of their records.. Janet & Trisha Wygal are new Yorkers who front a five woman rock group called Splendora.. They have a new record out on Koch Records. They play around town frequently and are trying to set up a tour now.. Janet was in the early eighties band the Individuals.. Sue Trowbridge said: >Gene Holder used to be in the dB's, a wonderful '80s pop band that >released several classic albums, including "Stands for deciBels," "Like >This" and "The Sound of Music." He left the dB's to join the Wygals and >the band broke up. Peter Holsapple, another former dB, has become >fairly >well known as an occasional R.E.M. sideman and member of the >Continental >Drifters. He is married to Susan Cowsill of '70s pop band the Cowsills. Gene Holder produced the Splendora record.. The Drifters are / were a great band.. Vickie Peterson from the Bangles was / is also in it.. She and Susan Cowsill are a duo known as the Psycho Sisters.. They have a new 7" single.. I was just told moments ago that the Continental Drifters just broke up .. They were to play Tramps this week and they just finished a tour of Europe.. I must find out whats Going on.. Very sad if this is true.. Peter plays with Hootie also.. ********************************************************** Nicholas Hill faucet@pipeline.com For periodic Music Faucet info, send email with LEAK in the subject line to: faucet@wfmu.org >>> http://wfmu.org The Music Faucet / WFMU East Orange, NJ / 91.1 fm Sunday 8-10pm ********************************************************** Nicholas Hill faucet@pipeline.com For periodic Music Faucet info, send email with LEAK in the subject line to: faucet@wfmu.org >>> http://wfmu.org The Music Faucet / WFMU East Orange, NJ / 91.1 fm Sunday 8-10pm ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 09:16:37 -0600 Subject: Jewel So, anybody going to the Jewel Omaha show? Bwahahahahahahahahaha Sorry, just couldn't resist. I'm definitely looking forward to this one, and hope there aren't as many problems with the crowd as the rest of the country is experiencing. Matt - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber, semi-new dad, meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska Disclaimer: opinions expressed by me are my responsibility only. "You cannot make anything foolproof, because the fools are so ingenious." - Christian Walters - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ From: "she listens like her head's on fire.." Date: Tue, 06 Feb 1996 10:27:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: Tori and mythology Hello, I hope this gets through... I was looking at the lyrics for Horses and something caught my eye. "but will you find me if neil makes me a tree..." I was wondering if anyone saw a connection between this line and the story in Greek mythology of Apollo and Daphne. Apolla was struck by an arrow of eros and fell in love with the nymph Daphne, who in her attempts to escape him asked her father to turn her into a tree. I tend to try to look hard at some of her metaphors, ever since I was surprised in an Art History class to come face to face with a slide of the "woman clothed with the sun" . Sister Janet:" sister janet you have come from the woman clothed with the sun.." We were looking at slides of Medieval Apocalypse art and apparently the woman clothed with the sun comes from Revelations (been a long time since I read it) but it certainly added a new dimension to the song for me, especially in light of the religious images used on Boys for Pele and her thoughts on the "blueprint" for the woman in the bible (from her interview on MTV120 minutes). It seems that she is taking another powerful female figure into her song that is not necessarily looked upon as a positive model and turning it into a source of power for herself. Or maybe its just the use of an archetypal figure I haven't seen before..;-) thanks for letting me ramble... - -Quenby ------------------------------ From: larnep@pathfinder.com (Larne Pekowsky) Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 11:33:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Tori and mythology Quenby: > I was looking at the lyrics for Horses and something caught my eye. > > "but will you find me if neil makes me a tree..." > > I was wondering if anyone saw a connection between this line and the > story in Greek mythology of Apollo and Daphne. Apolla was struck by an > arrow of eros and fell in love with the nymph Daphne, who in her attempts > to escape him asked her father to turn her into a tree. Interesting... I must admit I haven't heard BfP yet (I picked it up the day it came out, but haven't had a moment that felt right to immerse myself in it yet), so I don't know the context this line appears in. But the first thing that hits me is the 'forest of suicides' from the issue of Sandman where Morpheus goes down to Hell to release Nada. As far as I can remember, those are the only people Neil has made into trees (although I think the original concept is from Dante). Just more food for thought. Or not. - Larne ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #373 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu