From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #363 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, 27 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 363 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Anthony Kosky Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:34:28 -0800 Subject: Re: toribabble Meth pointed out: >>Actually I thought some of the other photos were much more >>provocative. It seems like her hand falls naturally to a suggestive >>area in the stagecoach picture (though it's obscured by text a bit), > >Erm, unless the back of one's knee has suddenly become an erogenous zone, >I think you'd best look again... ;> > On looking again, I decided that I'd got that wrong (I was working from memory when I wrote it). Even so, without the text obsciring it I think it would be a fairly provocative photo: the legs are not possitioned in a modest manner and there's certainly some lacy bra showing. (Not that I'm objecting). I don't see why no ones discussed the cover photo yet: the shotgun certainly seems phalic, and the hanging pheasant has shades of Bobbit to it. (;-) Seriously my take on the photos is that they're a series, portraying a woman (played by Tori, but not Tori herself, or rather some aspect of Tori, but not the whole thing), living somewhere in the deep South, and the general reaction they're supposed to inspire is "What the hell is going on out there?". It seems like they could be taken as flashes of a photo-story, or photo portrait, of this woman and her life. A bit like the incomplete stories that Neil Gaiman sometimes writes (e.g. Mr Punch). I think a discussion of the photos as a series may be much more enlightening. Meth also methed: >Hey -- did anyone else pick up on the first two lines of "In The Springtime >Of His Voodoo"? "Standin on a corner in Winslow Arizona and I'm quite sure >I'm in the wrong song" -- that's an Eagles song she's referencing, right? This was something I was trying to remember too. I have an idea that it's a Dylan song, but I'm not really sure. Someone??? - -Anthony ------------------------------ From: ken@isis.ST.3Com.COM (Ken Descoteaux) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 96 17:49:40 EST Subject: Re: toribabble Anthony posed: > > Meth also methed: > >Hey -- did anyone else pick up on the first two lines of "In The Springtime > >Of His Voodoo"? "Standin on a corner in Winslow Arizona and I'm quite sure > >I'm in the wrong song" -- that's an Eagles song she's referencing, right? > > This was something I was trying to remember too. I have an idea that > it's a Dylan song, but I'm not really sure. Someone??? Using Alta Vista to search for "+corner +winslow +arizona" yields numerous Web pages of Eagles lyrics for Take it Easy.. second verse: Well, I'm a standin' on a corner in Winslow, Arizona and such a fine sight to see: it's a girl, my Lord, in a flat bed Ford slowin' down to take a look at me. Come on, baby, don't say maybe. I gotta know if your sweet love is gonna save me. We may lose and we may win though we will never be here again. So open up, I'm climbin' in, so take it easy. ------------------------------ From: David Dixon Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 15:19:14 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: toribabble (longer than you'd probably like :) On Fri, 26 Jan 1996, Neal Copperman wrote: > Standing on the corner of Winslow Arizona, > I've get seven women on my mind > Two are ones that hold me, > two are ones who stole me > one says she's a friend of mine > > Take It Easy - The Eagles Actually, you've mixed up two of the verses here. The first verse goes: Well I'm a runnin' down the road, tryin' to loosen my load, I've got seven women on my mind: Four they wanna own me, two they wanna stone me, One says she's a friend of mine. and the second goes: Well I'm-a standing on a corner in Winslow, Arizona, I'm such a fine sight to see. It's a girl, my Lord, in a flat-bed Ford Slowing down to take a look at me. And they wonder what punk music was rebelling against. :) D^2 ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 18:23:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: toribabble [Eagles song] On Fri, 26 Jan 1996, Anthony Kosky wrote: > Meth also methed: > >Hey -- did anyone else pick up on the first two lines of "In The Springtime > >Of His Voodoo"? "Standin on a corner in Winslow Arizona and I'm quite sure > >I'm in the wrong song" -- that's an Eagles song she's referencing, right? > > This was something I was trying to remember too. I have an idea that > it's a Dylan song, but I'm not really sure. Someone??? Well, I'm surprised no one has piped in on the lyrics to save me the embaressment of pulling them out of my head. (Look, it's a magic trick!) From work I'm too constrained to check a lyrics archive, but it's definitely Take It Easy by the Eagles. Scarily enough, I woke up this morning with more of those lyrics in my head, and the realization that I had gotten them wrong yesterday. So, take two: I'm a running down the road trying to losen my load I've got seven women on my mind Four are ones that hold me twwo are ones that scold/stole (?) me One says she's a friend of mine. (I had confused the above verse with this one that comes later.) Standing on the corner in winslow arizona ?when such a fine sight I did see? It's a girl my lord in a flat bed ford slowing down to take a look at me. Come on baby, don't say maybe I wanna know if your sweet love is going to save me It's gotta be from the late 70's or early 80's. Well, time for my lobotomy, Neal ------------------------------ From: ! Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 18:32:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Accessible? Sage wondered: > and just bought Boys For Pele last night over the new Dar Williams -- > which would certainly have been more accessible. So I'm curious: > > 1) What makes an album accessible? > > 2) Who would you name as an inaccessible musical artist? > ooh, I like this one! I would say that "accessible" (western pop) music generally meets *most* of the following criteria (in the order i think of them in, not in order of importance): * recognizable song structure (e.g. verse chorus verse) * recognizable melody (hummable) that is not too atonal * time signature fairly consistent throughout (although a well-defined speed up/slow down or other shift is no impdeiment to accesiblity) * lyrics are either unintelligible or not overtly bizaree and/or obscene * "accessible" music sometimes makes for good background music; inaccessible music almost never does -- it demands your attention first ten inaccessible artists (in the rock idiom) that come to my mind: the fall, blind idiot god, n.w.a., godflesh, king crimson, frank zappa, the swans, tom waits, laurie anderson, naked city. (hmmm...not too much ecto in there!) actually, i think you could make the case that many genres tend to be innaccesible, e.g., heavy metal (except for the big-hair ballad bands), punk (except for the pop-punks), gangsta rap, spoken word, etc. doug (inaccessible) ------------------------------ From: "S. Lunsford & T. O'Reilly" Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 19:11:19 +0000 Subject: Psychic Ecto! Boy, this is weird -- I was JUST LISTENING THIS MINUTE to this song and thinking, "Hm, that 'corner in Winslow Arizona' line sounds awfully familiar, I wonder where it came from? >Hey -- did anyone else pick up on the first two lines of "In The Springtime >Of His Voodoo"? "Standin on a corner in Winslow Arizona and I'm quite sure >I'm in the wrong song" -- that's an Eagles song she's referencing, right? > Web pages of Eagles lyrics for Take it Easy.. second verse: > Well, I'm a standin' on a corner in Winslow, Arizona > and such a fine sight to see: Ecto: Answering your questions before you even ask them. Just me, the weirded out one - -Sage ____________________________________________________________________ Sage, Todd and the eight feline cohorts: sagetodd@postoffice.ptd.net Not to mention: http://www.dfw.net/~soulmate/ where you can fall in and spend hours. Literally. ------------------------------ From: 32 flavors and then some Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 19:34:17 -0500 Subject: ectori photos Anthony Kosky sez: >I don't see why no ones discussed the cover photo yet: the shotgun >certainly seems phalic, and the hanging pheasant has shades of Bobbit >to it. (;-) it's a rooster and it's quite dead. i came up with a theory about the cover this morning while driving to work...um...let's see if i can dredge my mind. oh yeah. the dead rooster (i.e., cock) is the end of her depedence on the men in her life. the snake under her feet has to do with womanhood and the church (parallels eve and the snake from the garden of eden). not sure about the ripped denim or the gun. the chair on the porch is almost like a throne. my memory says that the look on her face is similar to the one in the pig photo, but i can't check since meredith has the disc. >I think a discussion of the photos as a series may be much more >enlightening. i'm surprised that the photos have got my attention as much as they have as that's not usually something i get worked up about. no thoughts on the matress shot thought yet. woj ------------------------------ From: ariana@nycmetro.com Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 20:10:50 -0500 Subject: ecto-digest V2 #361 EC>Ariana recounted: EC> EC>>Well yesterday after work I went running around NYC (parts of the EC>>village) looking for the limited edition Boys for Pele which I read EC>>about on a web page. EC> EC>Were you thinking of the limited edition UK CD single, or the limited editio EC>clear vinyl version? No I read about it saying there were 2500 copies which incluede new pics of tori, 80 page book, poster and postcard. I guess only in the UK. :( ------------------------------ From: mapravat@prairienet.org (Mitchell A. Pravatiner) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 19:19:03 -0600 (CST) Subject: Arcane Tori question The recent discussion of _Boys for Pele_ rekindled my curiosity about something else: One of the cover photos (or maybe a poster) for _Under the Pink_ showed Tori amid a bunch of laboratory glassware. Did this prove to be more popular than most album art among women in science? Happy Australia day to all. I'll have to remember to mention that to the friend who lioves there, whom I'm flying to New York tomorrow to fially get together with, after a long association in moospace. Mitch ------------------------------ From: basil@naxs.com (Brad Hutchinson) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 20:21:24 -0500 Subject: Tori grew OK, I'll confess here--I like Tori Amos but have thought for a while that she needed to grow up a bit. Her interviews with her pronouncments on society made me cringe often. But, I really liked _Little Earthquakes_ as a substitute Kate album (I know, it's nothing like Kate--I'm just brain damaged and think that please don't try to convince me otherwise or is that just a lovehounds thing?) and _Under the Pink_ was an album I liked for a while but it faded for me. There seemed to be so many influenced on Tori in both of these albums. But this album! She seems to have become her own person artistically. I'll admit that nothing jumped out at me for the first listen or three. I'd heard "Caught a light sneeze" from the web site and like it (though it made me expect another derivative album--Tori does _The Dreaming_) so it screamed out at me. But the rest seemed to be in moods. After listening to BfP too much I really like these moods. The places where she slips into the piano boogie bits are fun. I like them. Her voice has changed for me--I no longer hear Kate--now I hear her undulate through words. I like this too. But the lyrics. I don't understand them. _LE_ and _UtP_ weren't this difficult, were they? And, they sure make listening to the cd at school during my free period a perilous venture! My principal came into the hallway were I have a desk right now (our school is being renovated--allergy hell) and the "I think you're a queer" bit from "Blood Roses" was on. I talked nervously and loudly until it passed on. He's a nice man but the city I teach in is the buckle of the bible belt. . . I once told the principal that Jill was Jewish (her stepfather is) and that I was Catholic (raised but fallen) so he would quit asking us to join him at church. . . I did get an interesting comment. Our guidance councilor asked if I was listening to Janice Joplin. Re--difficult music? Why? I don't think this is all that inaccesible. Though the lyrics may make it radio difficult. Then again, Alanis M got away with the *f* word earlier this year. . . Enough. Hope you are all well where you are. . . brad Accuracy of observation is the equivalent of accuracy of thinking. - --Wallace Stevens brad hutchinson: bhutchin@pen.k12.va.us or Jill Sunderlin and brad basil@netaccess.naxs.com ------------------------------ From: ariana@nycmetro.com Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 20:28:12 -0500 Subject: after listening to BfP a few more times... I first listened to the album the first few times and wasn't really into it. LE I was able to enjoy the first listen. UtP I just never really understood but liked a few songs or had to be in a mood to hear the other songs. Now I am addicted to this album! :) My favorite songs so far but not necessarily in that order is: Blood Roses, Professional Widow (I think its my favorite so far), Caught a lite sneeze, In the Springtime of his Voodoo, and PUtting the Damage on. The next of best songs are : Horses, Mr. Zebra, Marianne, Muhammad my friend, hey jupiter. The other songs I am starting to get into or just don't care for yet. So far Agent orange, doughnut song, not the red baron and twinkle do nothing for me. But I will give them a chance. The song Marianne reminds me of Happy Rhodes songs about suicide. Is it possible Tori thought about suicide during this breakup period? I think it is from my own personal experiences. I also find the song "Putting the Damage on" kind of sad. I don't understand the lyrics yet but the way it is sung and the way the music is arranged it might bring me to tears live like "Winter" does. ------------------------------ From: Michael Bowman Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 18:40:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Tori's tattoos settled I just got the latest issue of Take To the Sky today. It said that Tori's tattoos in the Q photo shoot were for that photo shoot only (in other words, temporary tattoos or makeup). Count me as someone who's been quite taken with BfP. At this point, I'd say I like it better than UtP but not as much as LE. It's a very powerful album and I love the harpsichord. Michael Bowman bvmi@odin.cc.pdx.edu ------------------------------ From: "Deep Space" Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 22:23:14 +0000 Subject: Re: It's So Great to Be Back! Chad writes: > 'Lo all, Welcome back, Chad! Robert of Ecto The More Bandwidth Foundation ------------------------------ From: "Deep Space" Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 22:23:14 +0000 Subject: Re: CD vs. cassette > Cheri Villines writes, > > > Those of you with car cd players, how > >do you like them? > Get a cassette player. I'll second Michael's opinion for another reason. With a cassette player in your car, you can make custom traveling tapes. Always fun! Also, I don't need the extra HiFi as my car is too noisy. The sound quality from a well made tape is very satisfactory in a top-notch auto installation. Robert the audiopile "Better Late Than Never!" ------------------------------ From: jwaite@popmail.ucsd.edu (Jerene Waite) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 21:37:01 -0800 Subject: Beasts for Pele I only had a brief look over the pictures in Tori's BfP, but my impressions are these: First, it is an extremely well done, expensive layout. Color is not cheap and it sells. There are many well thought out presentations. This is probably the most elaborately produced cd booklet I've seen and is intended to be a major adjunct to the package. That is why we are talking about it so much. Second, Boys for Pele--the goddess requires sacrifice on occasion to appease her fiery temper. The farm animals, well, what more appropriate symbol of sacrificial being to a North Carolina farmgirl, than the farm animals? From the looks of the front, it seems she's been hunting and bagged herself some meat. The dirty mattress near the pasture: She's been lying down with the beasts perhaps. It's crude and dirty but it's out in the open. Is that a reflector near the bottom right which is used to warn people of an electric fence? Well anyway, it's a reflector and reflections are seen on the other pictures as well. The window with the child and the beasts inside: Is this a boy child? (I don't remember for sure, but I think it was.) There was a goat (devil?) and a sort of unreal looking cow--beasts that look like something from dreams rather than reality. To me this represents the hidden aspects (unconscious) of a man (or someone) she has known, looking out to us through the window of his soul. The titillating piglet suckling: OK, I admit I was disappointed that the piglet is obviously asleep and not suckling! Now that I've said that, I agree that the probable 'message' here is not that *all* men are pigs, but rather that some men need a mother and Tori is obligingly nurturing. However, a more nurturing pose would have been for Tori and the pig to be looking at each other--OK, at least, Tori could be looking at the pig. So, it seems to me that she's not really interested in being this little piggie's mama. (Rats sleep with their eyes open. Would it have been conceptually different if she had used a rat and the rat appeared to be looking up at her?) The fire consuming the piano: A sure sign that Pele is active and speaking to us through the medium of her choice. I can't remember if sacrifices to Pele had to be virgins. Actually, I think the Hawaiians tended to give her thank offerings more than sacrifices. Tomorrow I'll buy the album and take another longer look and I might even listen to the music while I'm at it. - --Jerene ------------------------------ From: Paul Cohen Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 00:52:01 -0500 Subject: Re: Jon and Vangelis >More J&V trivia: when Rick Wakeman left Yes in the early 70's, Jon >Anderson wanted Vangelis to replace him. V decided against it, because >he had been in a band for a number of years (Aphrodite's Child) and >wanted to remain solo. > Now that's not how I remember it. I've been a Yes fan since the first album came out (specifically, when I first heard 'Beyond and Before' "by some obscure new brit band", it was a near religious experience for me at the time). Vangelis was pretty much in as far as the band was concerned. The only thing that kept him out was the British Musicians Union, who pretty much told Yes they'd never play in England again if they hired a foreigner instead of a card-carrying Brit. Yeah, I know Moraz, who wound up joining instead, was Swiss. Somehow he was a member of the union. ____Paul Cohen______________King of Prussia, PA___ ____pmcohen@netaxs.com___http://atonce.com/pmc/___ ------------------------------ From: cstack@ix.netcom.com (Chris Stack ) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 21:56:22 -0800 Subject: State of Independence Some Folks wrote: >> > Friends of Mr Cairo also contains State of Independence which was >> covered by someone very famous, though I can't remember who at the >> moment. Can anyone remind me? > >Moodswings covered it, with Chryssie Hynde on lead vocal. My jaw hit the >floor when I first heard it on the radio (late '91 or so). I believe that the most "famous" cover of State of Independence was by Donna Summers (spelling?). I think that Vangelis even did the music on it. When it came out I thought that Donna had seen the error of her disco ways but apparently it was only a momentary aberation...but still it sounds really good. Chris Stack cstack@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ From: cstack@ix.netcom.com (Chris Stack ) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 22:01:20 -0800 Subject: Melanie Anybody remember Melanie, the singer of Candles in the rain, Brand New Key, and Ring the living Bell etc.? I heard that she put out a new album a few years ago. Has anyone out there heard it? Chris Stack cstack@ix.netcom.com ------------------------------ From: Kerry White Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 00:13:23 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: jon and vangelis (a very late reply to a reply) Hello, On Fri, 26 Jan 1996, David Dixon wrote: > first of his that I ever got. :) My favorite V album is, without a > doubt, _Soil Festivities_. I was literally *stunned* when I first heard > it, it's just that beautiful. The beep--beep running thru(I think) title track of SF is exactly at the Theta brain-wave frequency. The famous ALPHA is the brain in 'idle', theta is the link-to-muse/universal unconsciousness mesh of non- verbal/verbal full-brain collaboration state. It is *true* braain-food! KrW It was the least I could do! And never let it be said that I didn't do the least I could do. ------------------------------ From: MundoPax@aol.com Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 02:15:00 -0500 Subject: Suckling pigs make sweet pets Dear Ecto listers, OK, so here's my take on the Tori & pig pic. The pig and Tori are both Tori. The pig is a symbol for her songs. Better yet, the pig *is* Tori and Tori is a symbol for her songs. The songs nurture Tori and give her life just as Tori gives birth to her songs and gives them life. :-} Wait, wait. Tori symbolizes Atlantic Records and we are the little cute piggies sucking up to get our Tori milk. Yum, yum. Just as an aside, I recently went to a friend's birthday party. There we ate a roast suckling pig (a Chinese delicacy). Anyway, seeing the photo in BFP reminded me how yummy the roast pig was. I know, all the veggie freaks are gagging. I'm sorry, just relating personal history. I hope she didn't roast that soft pink thing after she finished feeding it. But I have a sneaking suspicion she did. The cover photo's also thought provoking. The shotgun in her hands and dead geese hanging nearby certainly imply she's going to shortly feast on birds she killed. Also her left hand on the rifle looks like a hand curled around the neck of a guitar. I do like the album. Just got it today and I think it's pretty inspired. By the way, anybody see the Aimee Mann interview in the current issue of Pulse? Pretty good reading. Ciao. - -Marcel Kshensky ------------------------------ From: Dan Stark Date: Sat, 27 Jan 1996 02:13:37 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: who sings "trigger happy jack" ? On Fri, 26 Jan 1996, Yngve Hauge wrote: > > Poe is the singer ... I just got the single a couple of weeks ago. > and try - she remind me of the story as well ... I dislike and love this CD at the same time (the whole album that is). But I find myself playing it repeatedly. It's somehow, strangely, infectious. I think I really like it! Dan - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- DAN STARK 89X / The River dstark@freenet.npiec.on.ca ~\\|//~ CKLW / CKWW -(o o)- Windsor-Detroit - -----------------------------o000o--(_)--o000o------------------------------ ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #363 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu