From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #362 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, 26 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 362 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: MATH TRIED ERR Date: Thu, 25 Jan 1996 23:53:12 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: ectori Hi! Quickly now, before I fall asleep on the keyboard... I think "Mr. Zebra" is the musical sequel to "The Wrong Band" -- which is also a very Beatles-esque song. Hmmm... "I think it's perfectly clear we're in the wrong band" "I'm quite sure I'm in the wrong song" ... hmmmm..... Meredith meth@delphi.com "2 girls 65 got a piece tied up in the back seat 'Honey we're Recovering Christians'" ------------------------------ From: Kerry White Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 00:31:35 -0600 (CST) Subject: Relish and Kelly Hunt Hello, JO's Relish resonates the same neurons that wiggle when I listen to Miss Bonnie Raitt in her blues mode. I like both a lot. I also get the exact same neural-wiggle from Kelly Hunt, a local Kansas (Lawrence) talent. Kelly Sounds like Bonnie w/out her slide. Kelly was 1ce part of Kelly and the Kinetics, here in KS. Her cd is named after her. KrW It was the least I could do! And never let it be said that I didn't do the least I could do. ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 01:38:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Tori CD photos On Thu, 25 Jan 1996, Steve Molla wrote: > With all the talk about Tori's 'pig' photo, I'm surprised there > isn't the slightest controversy about another photo in the booklet: > the one where she is on all fours on the mattress. This is from the same photo shoot as one of the ones I described from the Sun interview. It actually seems a little less disturbing than the other one, though I find the absence of her other show kind of bothersome. (No really!) It seems to imply something horrible has happened. After all, how would you find yourself in that scene without a shoe. Maybe it came off in a struggle, or in an anguished run through whatever surrounds the field. I think most of the comments I made about that picture could apply to this one, though I feel them more strongly looking at the other photo. The ornaments in the tree and the stuff in the ground almost gives it the feel of an alter of some sort. And she is prostrate. But I can't go anywhere with that. > My first thoughts > when I saw this photo was that perhaps she wished she could be > 'mounted' by one of the cows. I know that sounds strange, but > it must be a combination of the position she's in, and the pig > photo on the preceeding page that gave me that idea. Anyone > else come up with this? Um, no. The scene doesn't look inviting too me. It looks resigned, fallen, or damaged. Neal ------------------------------ From: petite piquet Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 17:46:24 +1100 (EST) Subject: Re: As promised... On Thu, 25 Jan 1996, Anthony Horan wrote: Happy Australia Day, ecto... and fanks for your mail fili. *grin* > Anyone know how to scan an A2 poster? :-) We-ell... you could always cut it up into smaller bits and run *those* through the scanner... *snark* :) Somehow in my headlong rush through yesterday I must have deleted the post that said when I can expect to get "Boys for Pele" here.. did you say about mid-next week, Anthony? Seconding Ariane's call - everyone go out and buy the new Dar Williams album "Mortal City" now! (Sage, I am *vurry* disappointed that you didn't get it already. :) Waaaaaah, I want a copy, 'n I want it *NOW*. Oh, and continuing this completely random-post, I bought the Joan Osborne single "All of Us" the other day and like it... I'll have to get 'Relish' when I see it. :) Happy day all, sherlyn (the one who has no real reason for posting, but just feels like it, dammit :) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= piquet the cat - piquet@geko.net.au; aka Sherlyn Koo - sherlyn@geko.net.au "Someday will I sing the mountains that carry me away, away from home, and hometown boys like you?" - Dar Williams, "Travelling Again" ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 01:55:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: toribabble (longer than you'd probably like :) On Thu, 25 Jan 1996, MATH TRIED ERR wrote: > The very thought of disturbing the track order gave me a chill -- that would > be like rearranging the chapters of a book and expecting it to still make > sense. This is *not* a shuffle-play album!!! I really like to do that, even on a carefully sequenced album. It wakes you up once you've become complacent. (Granted, I doubt anyone is actually used to BfP yet.) But for albums I've had for a really long time, I sometimes like to shuffle. As the song fades, and I know exactly what the next notes will be, I'm suddenly surprised when something else shows up. (Then again, my exercise tape for the night was Clannad.) > >Actually I thought some of the other photos were much more > >provocative. It seems like her hand falls naturally to a suggestive > >area in the stagecoach picture (though it's obscured by text a bit), > > Erm, unless the back of one's knee has suddenly become an erogenous zone, > I think you'd best look again... ;> Ha ha ha! Try her OTHER hand Meredith! Though, much as I stare (pardon me for staring), I can't really see where the left hand goes. Now it could go to her waist, but with her legs splayed and her skirt wide open, your eyes (and her hand?) is drawn to other regions. > Hey -- did anyone else pick up on the first two lines of "In The Springtime > Of His Voodoo"? "Standin on a corner in Winslow Arizona and I'm quite sure > I'm in the wrong song" -- that's an Eagles song she's referencing, right? Standing on the corner of Winslow Arizona, I've get seven women on my mind Two are ones that hold me, two are ones who stole me one says she's a friend of mine Take It Easy - The Eagles Gee, that must have come from a lyric archive or something. I couldn't possibly have had that in my head! (Not sure of the exact words on lines 3 and 4. Probably one of those twos is a four, so they actually add up to seven, duh.) > Why this whole is-she-tattooed-or-isn't-she question is bothering me so much, > I have NO idea. I have to categorically state that I find this whole tattoo issue completely irrelevant to anything. So thphttt! (Did I spell that right?) But I read that Tori was now queer. What's the scoop on that? (Ok, I'm just teasing, forget it.) > I didn't even bother to look for Dar's new album -- I knew it would be a > lost cause. :) They had copies in my local Borders. (Or was it a lost cause because you wouldn't bother to listen to it now anyway?) I was impressed that they carry discs on consinement there. It allows them to have a remarcably good local music section. How come the Indigo Girls newish live disc is showing up in big, bulky, old-fashioned jewel boxes, rather than the cool packaging I saw before? I was really disappointed to see that. Neal ------------------------------ From: petite piquet Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 17:59:28 +1100 (EST) Subject: Re: Accessible? On Thu, 25 Jan 1996, Sageysagesage and Toddlytoddtodd wroted: > 1) What makes an album accessible? Depends on what mood you're in, I think... But for "first up" accessible, I think you could prolly define that as whether or not you, or the average member of the public, would like (or perhaps be tempted to buy?) the album on first impression. > 2) Who would you name as an inaccessible musical artist? Anybody that my brother likes. :) - -sherlyn =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= piquet the cat - piquet@geko.net.au; aka Sherlyn Koo - sherlyn@geko.net.au "God looks like a guidance counsellor, God's got that smile. God says, 'How could this be? That's really odd. I guess I'll have to check my records - silly me, you know, I'm only God!' " - Dar Williams, "Alleliua" ------------------------------ From: Kerry White Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 01:27:06 -0600 (CST) Subject: disclaimer Hello, If you like Relish you will like Bonnie Raitt, but might not like Kelly Hunt. If you like all facets of Bonnie, then you will like KH. KH is not nearly as robust as JO or BR at her more driving levels. KrW In order to learn from your mistakes, make lots of mistakes. ------------------------------ From: damon harper Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 00:05:22 -0800 Subject: jon and vangelis (a very late reply to a reply) At 22:26 22-01-96 -0800, David Dixon wrote: >Well, I wouldn't qualify Vangelis's music as "whimsical". Some of it may >be, but he's done some really *weird* albums (especially _Beaubourg_, >which has nary a melody, but is fascinating listening anyway). i'll admit, whimsical wasn't quite the word i was searching for. i'm still not sure what the ideal word might have been, though. something that means electronically vast textures - maps that seem to be leading you somewhere? classical in some ways and very "new agey" in others. hm.. i give up. i keep meaning to hear more of vangelis' solo work (i have a couple of albums), but never seem to get around to it. a lot of the things he's done just *look* interesting somehow :) does anyone have any suggestions as to what constitutes his best solo work? >Hm.. I was actually pretty disappointed with _Page of Life_. I'd agree i bought it a while ago and listened to it once or twice, and wasn't terribly impressed. pulled it out again a few weeks ago and i was quite blown away by it - couldn't figure out why it didn't grab me the first time around. i'll admit it lacks a certain quality their other albums have; maybe something to do with "depth". it sounds more mainstream somehow, closer to what you'd hear on the radio. more beat/riff-oriented. on the other hand, i find the music is engaging in some ways more their previous stuff. more danceable, might be one way to put it. it's something of a tradeoff. >that _Mr. Cairo_ is the best of the bunch overall, but the 20-minute >track "Horizon" from _Private Collection_ really swoops. _Short Stories_ >(their first complete album together) is good too, especially considering >they improvised the entire album in one day. did they really? wow. i must confess, much of _short stories_ and _private collection_ i find a bit yawney. nice, but neither has had the effect on me that _mr. cairo_ and _page of life_ have. i do agree with you completely regarding "horizon" though - an amazing track. and there are a lot of other individual tracks that i like a lot. but overall they don't impress me nearly as much. and _the friends of mr. cairo_ and _page of life_ are extremely different albums. _mr. cairo_ is a "different" album in a lot of ways, and probably somewhere amongst the albums i'd choose to take to a desert island if i could only take a few. _page of life_ is less engaging on a lyrics/style/weirdness level, but the music is very catchy. which is not to say that the music on the others isn't catchy. geez, this is getting hard to put into words appropriately. anyway... enough. damon _/\_ damon_harper@mindlink.bc.ca __\ /__ "Life is pain, Highness. Vancouver, BC, Canada \ / Anyone who says differently http://www.dfw.net... |/||\| is selling something." .../~soulmate/damon/paukarut.html - from The Princess Bride ------------------------------ From: damon harper Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 00:15:26 -0800 Subject: Re: Jon and Vangelis (cover of state of independence) whoops - another j&v reply. i should have merged this with the last one :) At 15:58 23-01-96 -0800, David Dixon wrote: >> > Friends of Mr Cairo also contains State of Independence which was >> covered by someone very famous, though I can't remember who at the >> moment. Can anyone remind me? > >Moodswings covered it, with Chryssie Hynde on lead vocal. My jaw hit the >floor when I first heard it on the radio (late '91 or so). was that the cover that was used in the movie 'single white female'? i barely remember the movie at all, but i remember that it had a cover of "state of independence" in it, because i remember kevin being quite enthralled with it and also being quite disappointed when he heard the original version. as for myself, i didn't even *notice* the cover version but fell in love with the original (and all of _mr. cairo_) the first time i heard it. oh wait, that was their 'best of' album... but what i remember from that is the songs from _mr. cairo_ :) hmm, i'll have to dig out the copy i made of the 'best of' album so long ago and see which songs from each album are on it... damon _/\_ damon_harper@mindlink.bc.ca __\ /__ "Life is pain, Highness. Vancouver, BC, Canada \ / Anyone who says differently http://www.dfw.net... |/||\| is selling something." .../~soulmate/damon/paukarut.html - from The Princess Bride ------------------------------ From: Kerry White Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 02:07:44 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: As promised... Hello, On Fri, 26 Jan 1996, petite piquet wrote: > Oh, and continuing this completely random-post, I bought the Joan Osborne > single "All of Us" the other day and like it... I'll have to get 'Relish' > when I see it. :) a) One Of Us isn't much like the rest of the cd. b) You will like the cd anyway. KrW It was the least I could do! And never let it be said that I didn't do the least I could do. ------------------------------ From: damon harper Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 00:23:43 -0800 Subject: Re: toribabble (longer than you'd probably like :) At 01:55 26-01-96 -0500, Neal Copperman wrote: >I really like to do that, even on a carefully sequenced album. It wakes >you up once you've become complacent. (Granted, I doubt anyone is >actually used to BfP yet.) But for albums I've had for a really long time, >I sometimes like to shuffle. As the song fades, and I know exactly what >the next notes will be, I'm suddenly surprised when something else >shows up. (Then again, my exercise tape for the night was Clannad.) *laughing* wow, and i thought i was the only one who thought that way! i *always* used to do this. and that's exactly how i described it, too - "combatting musical complacency". of course, i haven't listened to a cd on random for several months now... what does that mean? i've given in to complacency? :) seriously, though, i used to listen to *every* album on random (shuffle). even _the dreaming_, for crying out loud ;) i find it interesting to note how my responses towards music have changed generally. there's the random/sequential play thing (random -> sequential), plus there's the fact that i always used to tap my fingers to whatever music i was listening to - i couldn't *not* tap my fingers - and now i hardly ever do; if i give any outward sign that there's music playing, its generally that i'm singing along. why this change, i wonder? >How come the Indigo Girls newish live disc is showing up in big, bulky, >old-fashioned jewel boxes, rather than the cool packaging I saw before? >I was really disappointed to see that. ooh! i got the *special* one! ;) damon _/\_ damon_harper@mindlink.bc.ca __\ /__ "Life is pain, Highness. Vancouver, BC, Canada \ / Anyone who says differently http://www.dfw.net... |/||\| is selling something." .../~soulmate/damon/paukarut.html - from The Princess Bride ------------------------------ From: petite piquet Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 19:22:16 +1100 (EST) Subject: Re: toribabble (longer than you'd probably like :) On Fri, 26 Jan 1996, Neal Copperman wrote: > How come the Indigo Girls newish live disc is showing up in big, bulky, > old-fashioned jewel boxes, rather than the cool packaging I saw before? > I was really disappointed to see that. '1200 Curfews' was released in both jewel boxes and digipack format - the digipack, from what I've heard, is rather flimsy and not going to hold up to much wear. Availability of either seems to be pretty regional - the record store that I buy most of my stuff from in Atlanta hasn't been able to get me a copy of the digipack (anyone wanna trade for one?), but I've heard other people say that in their area, they haven't been able to find the jewel boxes. - -sherlyn (the one who's been awake for 4 hours now and thinks she needs to go back to bed. :) =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= piquet the cat - piquet@geko.net.au; aka Sherlyn Koo - sherlyn@geko.net.au "God looks like a guidance counsellor, God's got that smile. God says, 'How could this be? That's really odd. I guess I'll have to check my records - silly me, you know, I'm only God!' " - Dar Williams, "Alleliua" ------------------------------ From: nightwol@dircon.co.uk (Steve Fagg) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:57:43 +0000 Subject: Re: jon and vangelis (a very late reply to a reply) On Fri Jan 26 08:15:00 1996 Damon Harper wrote: >At 22:26 22-01-96 -0800, David Dixon wrote: >>Well, I wouldn't qualify Vangelis's music as "whimsical". Some of it may >>be, but he's done some really *weird* albums (especially _Beaubourg_, >>which has nary a melody, but is fascinating listening anyway). > >i keep meaning to hear more of vangelis' solo work (i have a couple of >albums), but never seem to get around to it. a lot of the things he's done >just *look* interesting somehow :) does anyone have any suggestions as to >what constitutes his best solo work? My favourite Vangelis goes back to the late seventies and early eighties when he made the albums "Heaven & Hell", "Albedo 0.39", "Spiral", and "China". In spite of the ton of music he's released since then, I'd still recommend new listeners to start with those classic (IMO) albums. David Dixon mentions "Beauborg", an album I found impenetrable on first listening, but which suddenly blossomed into a wonderful experience on repeated hearing - not an album to start with I suggest, but really fascinating (can't better David's adjective) for the devoted Vangelis fan. For the record, I prefer the first two Jon & Vangelis albums ("Short Stories" and "The Friends of Mr. Cairo") to anything either of them have done subsequently. Yes, the music is extremely simple (and either Steve Howe or (aaaaargh! Brain fade strikes - the Yes bass player at the time, name's on the tip of my tongue) slagged Jon off for this at the time) but it's worn the intervening years extraordinarily well and has a strange angular beauty I've encountered nowhere else. - -- Steve Fagg a.k.a. Nightwol ( 'phone: +44-1279-402437 ) ( s.l.fagg@bnr.co.uk (work) nightwol@dircon.co.uk (home) ) *** We tried to add it all up and got merely sunrise. *** *** Try putting that in a letter to someone in exile. *** ------------------------------ From: "jeffrey hanson" Date: Fri, 26 Jan 96 10:02:33 cdt Subject: Javanese Muslim Pop Singers I heard some interesting music this morning on a public radio station. It was by some Javanese Muslim women, who sing songs from the Hassidic tradition of the Middle East, but with lyrics rewritten to focus on contemporary, local concerns and with rock band instrumentation. I guess most of the songs are pretty moralizing, but it makes for some interesting sounding music. Kind of Ofra Haza-like, Middle-Eastern sounding pop. They were quite catchy. Anyway, I unfortunately don't remember the name of the band (as it is a foreign sounding name and I couldn't even begin to imagine how to spell it when they said it), but I was wondering if anyone hear knows who they might be. I guess they're quite popular in Indonesia. Jeff Hanson ------------------------------ From: Kevin Dekan {x66440 CF/DEV} Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 11:10:31 -0600 Subject: Re: As promised... On Fri, 26 Jan 1996, petite piquet wrote from down under: > Oh, and continuing this completely random-post, I bought the Joan Osborne > single "All of Us" the other day and like it... I'll have to get 'Relish' > when I see it. :) Last nite after work, on my way to a class, this song was on the radio that sounded rather interesting. I missed the beginning of it, but the female singer was singing something with a reference to God and how "he's just like all of us" or something like that. And then after the song, the DJ thankfully said that it was Joan Osborne. This must be the same song, no? I liked what I heard of the song. And when I got home last nite, looking thru the paper, there was an ad for Joan's album _Relish_ on sale at one of the local CD stores. I think this album may be destined for my collection... ;-) -Kevin ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 12:57:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: IG packaging On Fri, 26 Jan 1996, petite piquet wrote: > '1200 Curfews' was released in both jewel boxes and digipack format - > the digipack, from what I've heard, is rather flimsy and not going to > hold up to much wear. > > Availability of either seems to be pretty regional Hmmm, in the wasteland of giant stores near my apartment, there is a Best Buy and a Borders (seperated by the equally huge Petsmart). Borders has the jewlbox, Best Buy the digipack. I bought a digipack when it came out and like it, though I did question it's durability. Still, I was surprised that the jewelbox wasn't even a newer, slim one, but the old-style humngous, clumsy ones. neal ------------------------------ From: Jessica Koeppel Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 10:14:11 -0800 Subject: who sings "trigger happy jack" ? I heard this live on the radio this morning, and caught that they were opening tonight for a sold out lenny kravitz show at the warfield. Hmm. One of the prominent lines was "You can't talk to a Psycho like a normal human being" the style reminded me a little of the Story but i don't think it was. Does anyone know who it was? --jessica ------------------------------ From: Yngve Hauge Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 22:57:03 +0100 Subject: Re: who sings "trigger happy jack" ? Poe is the singer ... I just got the single a couple of weeks ago. and try - she remind me of the story as well ... Yngve ------------------------------ From: Kerry White Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 16:28:13 -0600 (CST) Subject: TA+IM Hello, I waited till today for BfP as it was the mom+pop local that I went to. I got an extra $ off because I had to wait. Took in cds for trade: got BfP and Innocence Mission #1(yes,woj) for $2 a piece!!! On my way out of town, will hear BfP when I get there. Bye, KrW KNOCK,KNOCK "Who is it?" "It's not the cake!" "Come in." EEEEK!! ------------------------------ From: David Dixon Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 14:29:52 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: jon and vangelis (a very late reply to a reply) On Fri, 26 Jan 1996, Steve Fagg wrote: > >i keep meaning to hear more of vangelis' solo work (i have a couple of > >albums), but never seem to get around to it. a lot of the things he's done > >just *look* interesting somehow :) does anyone have any suggestions as to > >what constitutes his best solo work? > > My favourite Vangelis goes back to the late seventies and early eighties > when he made the albums "Heaven & Hell", "Albedo 0.39", "Spiral", and > "China". In spite of the ton of music he's released since then, I'd still > recommend new listeners to start with those classic (IMO) albums. Seconded. He did his best work in the late 70's-early 80's, including the albums Steve mentioned. _Albedo 0.39_ is the best introductory album, I think; of course, I could just be saying that because it was the first of his that I ever got. :) My favorite V album is, without a doubt, _Soil Festivities_. I was literally *stunned* when I first heard it, it's just that beautiful. If you like your music dramatic and visceral, go for _Heaven and Hell_ or _Mask_ (which both have a definite "Carmina Burana" feel to it). For abstract synth doodlings, _Beauborg_ or, if you're really adventurous, _Invisible Connections_. For a more "pop" sound, _Direct_ is a good collection of tunes. For some acid-drenched belly-dancing music, pick up _The Dragon_ (if you can find it). The list goes on and on. The guy is amazingly broad. 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