From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #358 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Wednesday, 24 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 358 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tela@tela.bc.ca (Neil K. Guy) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 19:50:27 -0700 Subject: Re: Tori promo picture available At 7:20 PM on 1/23/96, Anthony Horan wrote: >Before I go, the gang at Warner here remembered me mentioning about the >"Pele" in the album title being a goddess and not a soccer player (!); >they're now asking which goddess in which mythology exactly. I've checked all >my reference materials and even checked with my goddess contact Wendy, but >have not been able to find Pele anywhere. Anyone got any info? Hawaiian. Goddess of fire, fiercely inhabiting a steaming volcano. - Neil K. - -- t e l a computer consulting + design * Vancouver, BC, Canada phone: (604) 254-1002 * email: tela@tela.bc.ca web: http://www.tela.bc.ca/tela/ ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 23:18:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Boys For Pele (MAJOR SPOILER WARNING) On Tue, 23 Jan 1996, MATH TRIED ERR wrote: > Of course, Tori channels herself in a few spots too Wouldn't this be kind of unneccessary, given that Tori actually IS Tori? :) NEal ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 20:28:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: Life is the Red Wagon SOLD Just wanted to let everyone know that I did find a home for the Jane Siberry disc, so it's no longer available. - --Neile ------------------------------ From: zu03709@uabdpo.dpo.uab.edu (The Watcher) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 00:30:59 -0500 Subject: Manta Ray Hello ectophiles, I found Nan Vernon's 'Manta Ray' yesterday, used, for about $6, and decided even with my limited resources to take a chance. I've read most of the opinions here, and have been intrigued by the strong feelings about it, both good and bad. My feelings...are good. Especially for Motorcycle, While My Guitar Gently Weeps, and Manta Ray, though I like the others also to varying degree. Though, currently, I'm really none to fond of Fisherman. Questions: (1) Does anyone have lyrics and/or translation to Johnny's Birthday? Any information on the originator of this song, given only as Hollander? (2) Any idea as to what Manta Ray is about? It seems fairly specific in its lyrics. There seem to references to Paris ("beneath Antoinette's skirt/the city where liberty came from" and "paris puts on a pullover". I wonder who the "alternative priest from cologne" is. He presumably is linked with the "vatican band". And, what is this "torso" which now seems to belong to the aforementioned "alternative priest". Manta Ray itself seems to be an interesting song. At the same time, it sounds both playful (the tone of the instrument) and somber (the tone of the playing). Possibly it is the instrumentation, but I keep thinking of Lucy in the Sky With Diamonds when I hear this song. There's also something odd about the way the voice tracks are layered (I guess that's what it is) in this song. Has Nan done anything else that I should know about? On a side note: Still no sign of 'The Keep' in this city (Birmingham, Alabama) of the deep south. And today, I actually had to try two places before I found Tori's latest today (and the first one was a major chain--Camelot!) This would not happen in a more civilized part of the country. Heck, just yesterday we finally got a radio station which bills itself as Alternative. It's playlist, though, sounds like a direct copy from regular MTV, not Alternative Nation or 120 Minutes. And they have the gall to call themselves cutting edge. Don't get me wrong, though: for this place, this little bit IS progress. John Higdon (The Watcher) ------------------------------ From: maeldun@i-2000.com (Michael Doyle) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 96 00:51:43 EST Subject: Re: WNEW's format At 12:34 AM 1/23/96 +0000, Joseph Zitt wrote: >On 22 Jan 96 at 4:12, Nicholas Hill wrote: > >> Flash news for new york radio fans.. Vin Scelsa will be back on the air in >> his same time slot on WNEW, where he quit 14 years ago because he wouldnt >> play they're playlist.. Very cool ! > >Yay! Unfortunately the signal won't carry to Dallas... What's WNEW's >format nowadays? More modern rock and less classic rock than previously. But they have managed to sound somewhat different from everyone else. Can't say as much for K-ROCK who seem to have stolen Z-100's playlist as the basis of their new format. Can't blame Scelsa for heading to the last New York radio station to play at least a smidgen of what he prefers. When WNEW said they were changing, I thought it was lip-service, until sometime last year. They played "Running Up That Hill" during the 5 o'clock drive. Then I knew they were serious. Unfortunately, the only Kate Bush I've heard them play since then is during their traffic reports. They loop the last second or two of "Waking The Witch" (with the helicopter-like whip sound and the synth) and use it as the background music for "looking at your Hudson River crossings, we've got 20 at the Lincoln, 25 at the Holland, your best bet is still the GWB." UGH! Sacrilege! - - Mike Michael Doyle maeldun@i-2000.com =================================================================== "'Normal' is not a word I like to use." - - Dr. Katz, Professional Therapist ------------------------------ From: Kerry White Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 01:13:11 -0600 (CST) Subject: stuff Hello, So, I got off of my 1st day(night) of 9:30pm to 5:30am- burnt!!- and had to stay awake so as not to miss 9:30am dentist appt. Temporary crown! I went out of my way home to get TA's BfP and Innocence Mission's 1st(yes,woj) and they had *neither* one!! Didn't want to go elsewhere due to dying brain-cells and the fact I had $17 in credit from old cds there. Maybe BfP tomorrow and IM on Fri. I may wait till Fri and make the 1 trip. [Am I crazy??!!..don't answer that!] Went home and slept all day and on my way to work [now] I found my copy of the HGP in the mailbox!!!! And we do have cass player here!! [I've been published!!!! This is better than the time I got into the Phonebook!!! (tip'o' hat to SM)] 2 100 min tapes...Please, sir, I want more!! I guess HR will have to finish getting her own music out of her system before she explores this. (KB: let us know when it happens) KrW It was the least I could do! And never let it be said that I didn't do the least I could do. ------------------------------ From: KYRIACOS TSIELEPIS Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 09:57:52 GMT Subject: Eleftheria Alvanitaki Hi there, I was just reading the ecto digest and found a mention to Eleftheria Alvanitaki. It is quite interesting to note that I've been wanting to mention Eleftheria on ecto for quite a while. However due to a very heavy workload and neglect (I've only written one post to ecto since lst year-I'd be surprised if anyone even remembers me) I never have. Anyway, I believe she's absolutely brilliant and definitely in the ecto sphere of music. Oh darn, I have to go, got a lecture in five minutes time. Anyway, I just thought I'd mention this Kerry (Kyriacos). Oh, by the way Angelos: profanos eisai ellinas apo pou eisai; P.S. I've heard Happy has a new album out. True? ------------------------------ From: Emmy May Lombaerts Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 14:14:36 +0100 Subject: Re: Ecto Workout Music VNozick@tribune.com, Valerie wrote: >My favorite workout tapes don't contain a lot of ecto music on it -- generally, >I need music with a strong beat when I workout Me too. But I agree that Danielle Dax and the Go Go's are good for working out to. Come to think of it, so is Tori Amos's 'Y Kant Tori Read'. I even do the vacuuming to that one :) Other good work-out tunes: Kate Bush 'Constellation Of The Heart', 'Running Up That Hill', 'Them Heavy People', most of Alanis' 'Jagged Little Pill', and I like Madonna too.. Even if she can hardly be called Ecto. Then doug said: >Try the Primitives, Darling Buds (1st album only) and Elastica for a start. Great! Someone else who likes The Primitives and The Darling Buds :) Anyone know what they're up to these days? Emmy. Emmy May Lombaerts lombaeg@mail.interpac.be http://www.ping.be/~ping2242/emmy.html o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o- 'Caught a lite sneeze, dreamed a little dream, made my own pretty hate machine' ~ Tori Amos o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o- ------------------------------ From: gzverev@RPC.glas.apc.org (Russian Privatization Center) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 96 17:08:39 Subject: More EYE 2 EYE "Eye To Eye" was a collaboration between Deborah Berg (vocals) and Julian Marshall (keyboards). All songs are co-written by them. Both albums were produced by Gary Katz. album: Eye To Eye (1982) (recorded in LA and NYC Feb-July 1981) side 1: Hunger Pains Life in Motion Nice Girls More Hopeless Knowledge side 2: Progress Ahead Physical Attraction Time Flys On the Mend drums: Jeff Porcaro, Jim Keltner bass: Chuck Rainey, Abraham Loboriel guitar: Rick Derringer, Elliot Randall (solo on LIM, NG), Dean Parks(OTM) keyboards: JM, Ian Underwood (Zappa alumnus) percussion: Starz Vanderlocket marimba: Ruth Underwood (Zappa alumna) backing vocals: Timothy B. Schmit (on TF) also: Donald Fagan (synthesizer solo on OTM) album: Shakespeare Stole My Baby (1983) (QuiexII limited edition pressing; "digitally recorded, mixed, and mastered") side 1: Shakespeare Stole My Baby Tonight Insomnia Falling for a Funny One Jabberwocky side 2: Lucky T.W.A. Sari Something Good Mermaid Man Are You Listening? drums: Art Wood bass: Jimmy Haslip Guitar: Dominic Troiano Solo Guitar: Steve Lukather, Larry Carleton (on FFAFO, SG, TWAS) Percussion: Martin Ditcham backing vocals: Frank Floyd, Zac Sanders trumpet: Jerry Hay, Chuck Findley sax: Larry Williams, Kim Hutchcroft - ------------------------------------ Gleb ------------------------------ From: Steve Molla Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 09:54:10 -0500 Subject: Boys for Pele Well, I hate to be the only one, but I'm not real impressed with Boys for Pele so far. Admittedly, I bought it yesterday, and have only had time to listen to the first 4 songs. But, I couldn't help but wonder what happened to Tori to cause her to create this 'stuff'? It just didn't sound pleasing to my ears. Now, I do like CaLS and Hey Jupiter (from SNL), but I haven't heard the CD version yet. Normally, the *best* songs appear earlier on CDs, so I'm not real optimistic about the rest of it. I'm sure I'll give it more tries, and end up loving it. But right now, I'm a bit disappointed. But, I did like the pig photo. My first impression there was with wide open eyes, but it didn't bother me. It's artistic expression. I don't get the symbolism, if there is any. steve ------------------------------ From: hobo@ralip.se (Håkan Bårman) Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 15:44:53 EST Subject: Re: the Primitives (Was: Ecto Workout Music) Emmy May Lombaerts wrote: > Great! Someone else who likes The Primitives and The Darling Buds :) > Anyone know what they're up to these days? The Primitives broke up after three albums. There's also a compilation album (released '94 or '95?) /H. ------------------------------ From: Marion Kippers Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 16:11:39 +0100 Subject: EWS hits the Netherlands! (part 1) Hi all, Well, EWS hit the Netherlands at last... I tried to resist, I really tried... :-) Normally it's not so difficult, because there are only two mainstream music stores here in Dordrecht, but a couple of weeks ago I allowed myself to spend a whole day and a lot of money in Amsterdam, where there are quite a few good music (import) stores (one of them has a number of Happy's CD's in stock at any moment). I'm quite pleased with what I bought that day, and now that I've had the chance to listen to most of it a couple of times here are some impressions. As it's a bit long, I cut this post in two... somewhere halfway. This is part 1. - - Heidi Berry - "The moon and the sun" (1993, CD-single) I had been looking for this one without ever expecting to find it over here. I've got her CD's "Love" and "Heidi Berry", and I love them. This CD-single has three tracks that are not on either album, but they're in the same familiar style. Now I only need to find her first CD "Below the waves (+ Firefly)" - don't think that one's available over here... :-( - - Mari Boine (Persen) - "Gula gula" (1991) An Ecto recommendation. I saw her CD's stocked under world music, jazz, folk, and even 'Spanish/Italian' (because that was where that particular shop stocked all their Scandinavian CD's to hide them from potential buyers :-) ). I wanted to have a listen to "Leahkasting", but the closest I got to a copy of that one was when the man standing next to me at a listening bar was listening to it. He was surprised that I recognized the name, and he allowed me to listen to a very small bit of a quiet song which I found quite beautiful. According to him it was the weirdest music he had ever heard, very loud then very soft... He liked the first CD "Gula gula" better, he said. So when I did find a copy of "Gula gula" I listened to it and bought it. Beautiful emotional music, with traditional influences... The songs on this CD are mainly quiet, often percussion based. Her voice sometimes reminds me of Mercedes Sosa's, but Mari Boine's is clearer. Very strong. Now I've got to find her other CD's as well. :-) According to a Dutch music database she has four CD's, I only recall hearing of three. - - Capercaillie - "Delirium" (1991) If anything, 1995 was the year when I really became interested in traditional, world and Irish/Celtic music. Spending my summer holiday in Ireland added to that, as did the Loreena McKennitt gathering we held for the Dutch/ Belgian members of the Old Ways mailing list. That's how I first got to know Capercaillie, and now I finally bought one of their best CD's. Capercaillie play Scottish traditional pop, a bit like modern Clannad, but on their later "Secret people" CD they're too poppy and bland for me. "Delirium" is still more rooted in traditional music - a nice mixture. Karen Matheson has a lovely voice. - - Cocteau Twins - "Twinlights" (1995, CD-single) - - Cocteau Twins - "Otherness" (1995, CD-single) I've been interested in the Cocteau Twins since their debut album "Garlands", and they were my favourite band for quit a while in the "Treasure" era, but I lost them a little bit after "Tiny dynamine" / "Echoes in a shallow bay". I kept buying their albums though, and every now and then I have a Cocteau Twins Revival period. That's why I wanted to have those two EP's. Don't know what I think of them yet. "Twinlights" is very, very fragile, piano based and with a single voice, and indeed, it's strange to be able to make out what Liz is singing. Love the mood, it's very good to wake up to on a slow Sunday. Favourite track has to be the reworking of "Pink orange red", though I also miss the 'guitar-and- layered-vocals' wall of sound... And "Otherness", well, it's ehmm... different. Not enough house to be house or danceable :-), but definitely not Cocteau Twins either. Don't think I'll listen to it much, though I found it less irritating when I listened to it the second time, so who knows what happens after a good couple of hearings? Couldn't get myself to listen to it again yet, though. :-) - - The Innocence Mission - "Glow" (1995) So, I read a lot about the Innocence Mission on Ecto, but the two tracks I heard on the "There's more... beyond words" compilation CD didn't push me to run to the CD-store and buy anything by them. But now I saw "Glow" on sale for only 10 guilders ($6.-), I had a listen to the first couple of tracks and liked them, so I bought it. It's a nice CD, pleasant, very Sundays-ish, a bit Mazzy Star-ish, uncomplicated poppy songs. Can't think of other words than pleasant and nice yet, though. I like the family stories in the lyrics. The I.M. tracks on that "...beyond words" CD are "Bright as yellow" from "Glow" and a short track called "Geranium Lake". That's not on "Glow", but sounds similar in style. Is it from one of their other CD's? Ok, this is the end of part 1. Part 2 follows. Best wishes, Marion ______________________________________________________________ Marion Kippers Wolters Kluwer Academic Publishers Automation Department Dordrecht, The Netherlands Marion.Kippers@wkap.nl "Leave the shadows dancing..." (OP) ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: Marion Kippers Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 16:28:58 +0100 Subject: EWS hits the Netherlands! (part 2) Hi all, This is part two of my 'EWS day in Amsterdam'-report... - - Love Spirals Downwards - "Ardor" (1994) Read about them on Ecto and remembered that when I saw this CD. It was filed under "new age", with an extra sticker mentioning "vocal new age". :-) This is just beautiful. Dark, melodic, floating... At some points the music is more Cocteau Twins than the Cocteau's themselves (I keep hearing bits from "Treasure" and "Victorialand" on this CD), and the floating vocals are well, floatingly beautiful. Angelic? I seem to recall they released an other (older? newer?) CD, "Idylls", is it anything like this one? - - October Project - "Falling farther in" (1995) I was a bit disappointed with this CD when it was released... I love their first CD, its flowing, continuing melodies, and the lyrics, the harmonies, and everyting, and was really looking forward to the follow-up. But this one's too rhythmic, edgy, rocky, the flowing stream seems to have stuck. I still don't like this one half as much as the first one, but it's growing. Who knows... "Sunday morning yellow sky" is my favourite track so far. - - Happy Rhodes - "The Keep" (1995) Got this at last... I was looking forward to another collection of Happy's acoustic songs, and of course I wasn't disappointed, but on first hearing it all sounded a bit too much the same. I think I would have preferred some more variation, like on "RhodeSongs". But there are some really beautiful moments on "The Keep". I haven't listened to it enough to really say which are my favourite tracks, but "Temporary and eternal", "Live on Mars", "Flash me up" and "Prey of the strange" stood out the first time. Not too sure about the "Yes medley" yet, perhaps because I've never really listened to anything by Yes except for "Owner of a lonely heart" and "Wonderous stories"... :-) And I like the cover. It would have been even nicer though if the inside text would be readable. :) - - Jane Siberry - "Maria" (1995) I have tried to like Jane for quite a while now - I like her single "I muse aloud" / "You don't need" very much (ever since I first heard it way back when in 1985), I've got "The Walking" but apart for some bits never got into that one, I've got "Bound by the beauty" and "When I was a boy" on tape and haven't even listened to them once through because I just find them irritating. But when "Maria" was released, I decided to give it a try and listened to it in the record shop. And while I'm not a jazz type at all, there were some moments on this CD that _moved_ me. Like "See the child", the bit where she begins with that expanding line "See the child that chases the dog (etc)...", and the beginning of "Oh my my"... I knew that I would want to hear this CD again and again, to discover it. So now that I saw a cheap copy of it, I bought it. There are some too jazzy tracks on it ("Caravan", "Would you go") that I prefer to skip when I'm about halfway, but the beautiful moments keep moving me, and I want to listen to it again and again. Every time "Oh my my" finishes I have a feeling that I awake from some slumber where I know that I've dreamt, but forgot what I dreamt, and I want to listen to that track again to find what I lost. And it's still growing on me. Guess I'll have to listen to those tapes again now... :-) - - The Sundays - "Blind" (1992) I love their first album "Reading writing and arithmetic", but somehow never got around to buy the follow-up. Now I finally did. I don't like "Blind" as much yet, it's not as direct, it sounds like a complicated, difficult CD. But I'm sure this one will grow on me. Well, that's all for now (and it's long enough I'd say). As usual, any additional information or suggestions are welcome. And now you all also know why I didn't make a "Best of 1995" list - there are far too many 1995 releases that I haven't heard yet... :-) One of my good intentions right now is to keep better track of what I buy when, and perhaps even write some more Ecto-reviews about them. And perhaps I get around to that backlog of 1995 reviews as well... BTW Neile, you may use anything you'd like from this. Did you ever get my last couple of e-mail messages? Best wishes, Marion ______________________________________________________________ Marion Kippers Wolters Kluwer Academic Publishers Automation Department Dordrecht, The Netherlands Marion.Kippers@wkap.nl "Leave the shadows dancing..." (OP) ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: jeffy@wam.umd.edu Date: Wed, 24 Jan 96 11:13:07 EST Subject: Boys for Pele Well, I'm with meth on this one...the new album is just *phenomenal*. The arrangements are incredible...was it Sue who not too long ago had made some comments about the lack or orchestration on the album? That worried me a bit -- I love Tori's use of orchestration ("Yes, Anastasia," amongst others, is incredible), but I'll tell ya, with the harpsichord, the horn section, and the bells, I really don't miss it. Tori's style was just *made* for the harpsichord...funny how I never noticed it before. ;-) The album isn't for everyone. I don't think it's nearly as accessible as earlier albums. Lyrically, it's still a mystery to me. I'm starting to get ideas of what some songs are about, but it'll take a while to sort through what the hell she might be talking about. As for the album art, I think it's wonderful. Val, I think it's just you with the suckling pig picture. Having heard about the picture in advance, I was a bit nervous to find out what the hell she was up to, but I was pleasantly surprised. Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "When I look in the mirror, I see a little clearer/ | | | I am what I am and you are you too./ Do you like | |jeffy@wam.umd.edu | what you see? Do you like yourself?" --N. Cherry | ------------------------------ From: "jeffrey hanson" Date: Wed, 24 Jan 96 10:19:09 cdt Subject: Aimee Mann, Angelique Kidjo on Tour Thought some of you might want to know that Aimee Mann is currently touring. I just got tickets to see her at First Avenue here in Minneapolis on Feb. 13th. Should be fun. Also coming to the First Avenue on March 30 is African World Music singer/songwriter Angelique Kidjo. She would be a good one to include on an ecto exercise tape. Her album Aye is particularly good. I wasn't as impressed with Logozo. Jeff Hanson ------------------------------ From: Yngve Hauge Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 17:31:26 +0100 Subject: Velvet Belly - new album Hiya, Just wanted to drop in and say that Velvet Belly is about to release a new album with the title 'The Landing'. A single is already out called 'The Conversation Stops'. The release date is set to February 12 and it should be more available than their 3 first albums (I hope) that is what is said at least ... *hugs* Yngve - -- ________________________________________________________________ Yngve Hauge | __ ___ __ | | _ www: http://ulke.himolde.no/~yngveh/ |-- | | | ||-- |_||| |_ Irc-nick: One Alien |__ |__ | |__|| | |||_|_ ------------------------------ From: Kevin Dekan {x66440 CF/DEV} Date: Wed, 24 Jan 1996 10:51:13 -0600 Subject: Re: Boys For Pele (MAJOR SPOILER WARNING) On Tue, 23 Jan 1996, MATH TRIED ERR wrote: > So I was basically a wreck all day today. I could've gone out at lunch and > picked up the album, but then I would have been going even crazier all after- > noon than I already was (sometimes I REALLY hate not being able to listen > to music at work). That is a major liability... I get some of my best listening in at work. One of the better benefits of my job I must say. ;-) > The afternoon was made even weirder by an incident just > after lunch wherein one of my coworkers passed out at her desk and was rushed > to the hospital with what turned out to be the same ribcage-cartilage-inflam- > mation thing Tori was stricken with in the middle of her last tour. But > anyway. So *that* is what that was. I had a bout with this last April and I can tell you it is extremely painful and debilitating. At the same time I was suffering from a nasty sinus infection along with this pain in my side that seemingly came out of nowhere. I went to the doc in the morning and they took X-rays and poked me here and there, but they had no idea either. They gave me some antibiotics and sent me on my way. Somehow I made it to work about noon but didn't last more than 1/2 hour before I was doubled up in pain and had to turn around and go back home. I laid in bed for the rest of the day and the day after that. No fun. Well, enough of my bouts with sickness, but I'm guessing it had to be the same type of illness. So... is BFP more like Little Earthquakes or Under The Pink? I definately like the former compared to the latter. Perhaps it resembles neither? Meth gives a rave review but so far Steve is a bit disappointed. I guess I'm not quite ready to cough up the cash... - -Kevin ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #358 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu