From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #356 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, 23 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 356 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Steve Ito Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 18:19:49 -0500 Subject: ATTN! MuchMusic watchers and Toronto Ecto folk! Hi ectofolk! I was checking out the MuchMusic website, and guess what? Good news for us Canadians (and others with access to MuchMusic), Tori Amos is appearing on MuchMusic on Monday January 29th at 3:30pm. Hopefully she will be playing a couple of songs live in the studio. And for those unfamiliar with the way MuchMusic works, they repeat programming later in the day, so if you miss her during the day, you can probably catch her in the wee morning hours sometime. Finally, if she's playing at MuchMusic, there's also a decent chance she'll be playing at 102.1 The Edge as well. Steve - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Ito, | "Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who Psychology Dept. | says differently is selling something." University of Toronto | -- The Dread Pirate Roberts Toronto, ON, Can. | ------------------------------ From: Cheri Villines Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 18:11:02 -0600 (CST) Subject: advice needed about car stereo... Hello everyone, I just purchased a nice little used vehicle with one serious flaw...no stereo, not even a radio. It's killing me. :) My dilemma is this; do i go with cassette receiver or cd receiver? I can't really afford to buy the cassette receiver plus cd changer, so I will have to choose one or the other for now. Most of my new music is on cd, so of course I am leaning that way. Those of you with car cd players, how do you like them? Have you ever had a cd damaged by heat or cold when left in the car? Is skipping a real problem, in case I can't get a player with delay? Any ideas on this subject are welcome and I would also appreciate phone numbers for good equipment catalogs. :) Crutchfield's is my only resource at the moment. Thanks much Cheri cvilline@comp.uark.edu ------------------------------ From: damon harper Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 16:52:51 -0800 Subject: snow! snow snow snowsnowsnowsnowsnow! yay! it's starting to stick! and it's coming down in those conglomerate flakes that get to be about the size of a finger! snow! there's hope for vancouver yet ;) *dance of snowbound joy* damon _/\_ damon_harper@mindlink.bc.ca __\ /__ "Life is pain, Highness. Vancouver, BC, Canada \ / Anyone who says differently http://www.dfw.net... |/||\| is selling something." .../~soulmate/damon/paukarut.html - from The Princess Bride ------------------------------ From: basil@naxs.com (Brad Hutchinson) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 20:12:02 -0500 Subject: BRUUCE (and Robert Wilson) Merideth wrote: Hmmm. There's Bruce Springsteen's new album, which I've been hearing quite a bit on the radio, and it doesn't make me cringe like the rest of his stuff does. He's doing the acoustic-guitar-and-harmonica, mumble into the microphone Dylan-on-the-road thing. Not exactly something I'd seek out and buy, but again, if you're into that sort of thing, then you could check it out as well. Is it like _Nebraska_? I have to admit to having owned the first three albums in high school (when they came out). The only other one I've bought was _Nebraska_ which I loved. I had it on vinyl. I should get it out and tape it. I keep saying that. I guess one of these days I need to reattach the turn table, buy some tapes and get _Closer to the Ground_ and _Music from the Knee Plays_ and the miriad other albums. Hmmmm, this is a music question--you know the music school type--that I've wondered about. I may be showing intense ignorance here (nothing strange in that) but is "Knee plays" a musical term? Or is it just a robert wilson thing? Where does it come from? I know it's on _einstein on the beach_ and _the civil wars_ but what does it mean?? Now that's a post with two very different topics! brad Accuracy of observation is the equivalent of accuracy of thinking. - --Wallace Stevens brad hutchinson: bhutchin@pen.k12.va.us or Jill Sunderlin and brad basil@netaccess.naxs.com ------------------------------ From: maeldun@i-2000.com (Michael Doyle) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 96 21:18:47 EST Subject: Re: ectopics At 10:19 PM 1/21/96 -0500, 32 flavors and then some wrote: >also not too long ago, i received a copy of sonya waters' latest demo >cassette. she used to be the frontwoman for orange, who had a track on >doctor death's volume v compilation _hearts lust in limbo_ and an album >out on dewdrops records. Yes! I've been meaning to get the album from Dewdrops. > orange disintegrated, What?! Urrrgh... I found out about the album only a month or two ago, cruising IUMA. Ah, well... > but sonya is still >churning out tunes. Ah! Good! > these five songs are just her and an acoustic >guitar, but they still capture the same etheriel nature that orange did > folks who like love spirals downwards >or similar bands take note (that means you, michael doyle and deniz). Of course :) Thanks! - - Mike Michael Doyle maeldun@i-2000.com =================================================================== "'Normal' is not a word I like to use." - - Dr. Katz, Professional Therapist ------------------------------ From: maeldun@i-2000.com (Michael Doyle) Date: Mon, 22 Jan 96 21:20:02 EST Subject: THE CITY OF LOST CHILDREN At 10:06 AM 1/22/96 -0700, Neil K. wrote: > BTW - on a completely unrelated note - on Saturday I saw the French film >La Cite des Enfants Perdus (the City of Lost Children). Really recommend >it. (unless you're boycotting French products because of their government's >desire to irradiate the South Pacific...) Unbelievable visuals! The trailer for THE CITY OF LOST CHILDREN has a quote from Terry Gilliam, to the effect: "The most brilliant visuals of any film in 1995 and 1996 and probably 1982." I must see this flick! - - Mike Michael Doyle maeldun@i-2000.com =================================================================== "'Normal' is not a word I like to use." - - Dr. Katz, Professional Therapist ------------------------------ From: ariana@nycmetro.com Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 21:39:52 -0500 Subject: ecto-digest V2 #355 EC>meth blurted out: EC>>ariane revealed: EC>Yup, you're just being ignorant. :) As far as I know, Happy has released all EC>them on cassette, although they are a _lot_ harder to locate. I picked up a EC>of BtC on cassette, just for working out. Of course, my CD version still get EC>lot more play, but it's nice to know where Happy planned the side breaks. Talking about working out...I haven't been to the gym in the month, but anyway. Can you ecto people advise me on good ecto music to buy for working out. I mean working on by using the bike, weight machines, and stair/stepmaster! ------------------------------ From: Dan Stark Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 22:24:31 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Innocence Mission/16 Horsepower On Mon, 22 Jan 1996, jeffrey hanson wrote: > > Went to see Innocence Mission and 16 Horsepower at the Fine Line in > Minneapolis last night. I saw them in Detroit (Ann Arbour) last week, my first show since I moved here. I guess I'm used to the "polite" Toronto audiences for shows like this, even at a club. The Detroit crowd was largely made up of university students (U of Michigan is right there), and with a cheap cover and nothing else to do on a weeknight, I think many were there just because something was going on. The crowd was LOUD, carrying on through most of IM's set as if there was no band on stage at all. IM's performance was definitely true to the sound they capture on disc, but while they may be musically fine, I didn't find them otherwise very interesting. Karen barely said a word to the audience between songs all night, and there wasn't much in the way of improvisation through the songs. I guess I like a bit more in the way of "entertainment", or some extra insight or surprises in the shows I go to. Still, it was good to see them, and it's always nice to see that a band one likes on disc is actually good live rather than depending on studio techniques. Dan - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- DAN STARK 89X / The River dstark@freenet.npiec.on.ca ~\\|//~ CKLW / CKWW -(o o)- Windsor-Detroit - -----------------------------o000o--(_)--o000o------------------------------ ------------------------------ From: MJM Date: 22 Jan 96 14:15:12 EST Subject: chicagophiles take note I have mentioned her before -- her name is Donna Adler -- she is a friend of mine from Chicago and she has an amazing voice and is a talented guitarist and songwriter. She is getting her biggest break yet this wed. - -- playing at the legendary (in these pages at least) Schuba's (southport and belmont). The last time I saw her she did an exemplary acoustic version of Sarah's Vox, which made me feel like I was watching the song as Sarah originally wrote/conceived it (Donna looks a little bit Sarah-ish, in a way). So, bottom line, I would highly recommend catching this show at Schuba's on Wed. 1/14/96. There are a couple of other acts as well, who I know nothing about. Starts around 9pm. Maybe I'll see some of you there? - -mjm ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 23:45:23 -0500 (EST) Subject: The Feminine Musique (Really long) The above is the title of the interview with Tori than ran in Sunday's Baltimore Sun. I don't have a scanner, so I'm just going to type in the tidbits that most intrigued me, ripped without permission form the article by J.D. Considine. It seemed a reasonable way to start the big Tori day. [This turned out to be most of it. Sorry it's so long. The section on songs could be considered spoilers, so you've been warned.] - ---- "Let's put it this way: I just hadn't developed so many sides to myself. And as I was playing show after show, I was desperately trying to find a place to fill these sides of my being that felt empty. I didn't know how to plug in. I couldn't feel that fire in my own being, as a woman. I needed men in my life, to reflect that back to me, to say, 'You have what we didn't have.' I needed to feel at that point. Like a vampire. I needed boy blood." ... "This record is truly a story about a woman who descends, who finds fragments in the unconscious to bring back into the light. But I was forced [by these circumstances] to do this... You're on your knees, and you make a choice. "And the songs started coming. 'Blood Roses' was the first, and it was the feeling of ripping open your vein and going, 'This blood has sold millions of records. This blood can do many things.' And [the men are] like, 'Yes, Tori, and this blood isn't enough for us.'" "It's not about, 'How could you do this to me?' The work, on any level, isn't. But it has so much of the seduction, and then the disillusion, and then the shock of the need that I had. But it was all of these things happening, all at once. And [I was] trying to get to the core." - ---- Tori did research into "the bloodline of women, to the Magdalene." "I wanted to know why the blueprint of the Magdalene was not passed down. What was passed down was the whore that wiped Jesus' feet. We skipped the whole phase of the woman - having sexual desire, wisdom, passion. Being an equal to Jesus, in truth." "I truly believe that there was a unification there, a representation of the wholeness. Man with his masculine and feminine in balance; woman with her feminine and masculine in balance. Two whole beings, joined together. The blueprint." "There's work in the past from other writers that have gone into this, particularly when you go back over a hundred yeears ago. And that was the beginning of the journey." - ---- On specific songs: "Professional Widow" describes "the Lady Macbeth archetype" (perhaps clumsily, Tori admits) "Marianne" represents "the death of the girlhood" "Caught a Lite Sneeze" is about wanting to do anything to keep a relationship going, "knowing that it's over, knowing that it's slipping through the hands." "Father Lucifer" is about needing "to go to the space of shadow, to go where we hide. Not Satanism. A whole different plane." On the printed vs. sung lyrics of "Hey Jupiter": Print: "And I thought you'd see with me/ You wouldn't have to be something new." sung: "and I thought I wouldn't have to be/ With you as something new" "It kept coming back that way [the lyric sheet]. I kept correcting it. Seventeen times, revision after revision, it kept coming back. I looked at it, and said, '[It] needs to hold both of them. The girl needs to be saying it while the other voice is saying it differently, because they >scan't communicate anymore.'" r|! - ---- When asked if she worried that the lyrical depth of the album would cost her fans from Under the Pink (Hmmmm, was that a straightforward album? Did I just miss it?), she replied "Well, I don't think I'm singing to a bunch of ding-a-lings. If they show me differently, then I misread them." - ----- The Photos I was pretty surprised at the pictures they ran. They are pretty, but I can't make sense of the intentions at all. PICTURE 1: On the front of the section is a picture of Tori sitting on a grimey mattress surrounded by dirt and garbage. Behind her is a skull, perhaps of a cow. She's wearing white pants and a white spaghetti strap shirt, which matches the mattress. Her cloths, arms and chest are smeared with dirt, but her face is clean, with illumination coming down onto her head. Her hair glows red as she looks to the side, smiling, almost slyly. My immediate impressions were of a homeless angel, or perhaps a victem of abuse who had been dumped there, but didn't seem concerned. After re-reading the interview, I think it might be an effort to portray the Magdalene archetype (or whatever). The dirt, the ideas of homeless, or poor, or just plain dirty, while simultaneously showing serenity and beauty. An effort at the unification or whole she described above. PICTURE 2: This is the one that really surprised me, more for the caption than anything else. It's a b&w photo with an indistinct background. Tori is clear in the front, wearing jeans and a dark spaghetti strap shirt. Her head is turned to the side, facing the light, and her eyes are closed (perhaps basking in the sun). She has a very relaxed look on her face, though no real trace of a smile. The top button of her jeans is undone, and she has her fingers pushed a few inches inside the front of her pants. The caption reads "Explorer: Tori Amos probes the dimensions of womanhood in her newest album, 'Boys for Pele.'" A bit more risque than I expect from the Sun. Neal ------------------------------ From: Kerry White Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 23:15:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: rereading Hello, I'm back and have heard the cds I got at the library. Sibery Maria- I liked it better at home but, I still can't access that type of jazz and chanteusery. Jazz for me was always Return to Forever and Brand X (same group-different faces-different continents) and a lot but not all Chic Corea, w/ Flora Purim and/or Gayle Moran. Annette Peacock is the only other "jazz" singer I like and even then better w/ Bill Bruford than solo. I *did* however tape the song Maria. Cassandra Wilson - all Jazz. Jill Sobule - music is kinda on the thin side. Not etherial, not 'folk' simple, just thin. Jewel can *make* her voice sound like a little kid; Jill S sounds like a little kid. Ofra Haza - Desert Wind 1989- Over-produced and *too* dancey!! - Kirya 1992 produced by Don Was for simplicity and is a very nice way to enter the sounds of Isreal and that whole neck of the woods. 1 track is *narrated* by Iggy Pop! Will be looking for more! Is 11pm cent USA time and I will be at work for the next 6 hours and after I get off at 5:30am I have a dentist appointment at 9:30am, so I have to wait before I crash! AAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHHH!!! KrW "TV or not TV, that is the question. Whether it is nobler to suffer the lies of outrageous pitch-men, or to slit your throat with an electrocoated stainless steel blade"? WOI ------------------------------ From: 32 flavors and then some Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 01:26:16 -0500 Subject: ectopics ariana@nycmetro.com sez: >I use to listen to a group called Shellyan Orphan. I have 2 of their >albums. you probably have _century flower_ and _humroot_. their first record is called _hellborine_ and is *wonderful*. paddy bush (KaTe's brother) and danny thompson (he played bass on one song on _hounds of love_) helped out on _hellborine_. alas, i do not think that it's in print and i'm not sure it ever was released on disc. i'll happily pay large sums of $ for _hellborine_ on any format, except, of course, dub-of-scratchy-vinyl. :) i really like _century flower_ which is summery pop music. _humroot_ never took...but i should probably listen to it again since it's been a long time.... oh, _hellborine_ is more rootsy, less airy than _century flower_. if the latter is summer, the former is autumn. >But what I confused Bel CAnto with was >someone or some group called "Beautiful Pea Green Boat". beautiful pea green boat had one album on c'est la mort records back in the late 80s called _stilllife_. i have completely forgotten everything i knew about them, and don't seem to have a copy of the album around either (the ectophile's guide mentions them, but just has neile's review of the album). hobo@ralip.se (Håkan Bårman) sez about shellyann orphan: >I'm not certain (can somebody confirm this?) that the name of the female is >Caroline Crawley, that she sings on a few tracks on a "This Mortail Coil"-album, >and that she, after Shelleyan Orphan, started singing in a band named "Etheral" >(sp?). The last is a rumour. that's her name and she did sing on the this mortal coil album _blood_. i seem to recall hearing the same rumor regarding "etheriel" (or is that "ethereal"?), but i don't recall hearing anything more than rumors. Steve Ito sez: >like the Tragically Hip, you know, i never really got the tragically hip. i kinda liked their first record (what? 1987? '88?), but everything since then hasn't really impressed me. the latest record seems cold and calculated. >and Cape Breton (Sloan, jale, Ashley MacIsaac, Rankin Family, Theresa Doyle). aren't sloan and jale from halifax? not exactly cape breton...sheesh, steve, do i have to learn you canadian geography too? ;) ;) ;) gzverev@RPC.glas.apc.org (Russian Privatization Center) sez: >Is the Ivy's CD (with bicycle on the cover) is worth buying? yes! for all the reasons that i thought the ep is good, and more! woj ------------------------------ From: "Joseph Zitt" Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 00:34:26 +0000 Subject: Re: BRUUCE (and Robert Wilson) On 22 Jan 96 at 20:12, Brad Hutchinson wrote: > Hmmmm, this is a music question--you know the music school type--that I've > wondered about. I may be showing intense ignorance here (nothing strange > in that) but is "Knee plays" a musical term? Or is it just a robert wilson > thing? Where does it come from? I know it's on _einstein on the beach_ and > _the civil wars_ but what does it mean?? It's a Wilson thing: the Knee Plays happen in front of the curtain between acts of his nonstop theatrethons (I'm a WIlson freak and have seen several); they tend to be somewhat loud (hence the horns, etc) to mask the sound of the changing of sets. The name? Well, they act as the joint between the acts, therefore.... ("I'm not making this up.") JZ (who actually listened to both "Einstein on the Beach" and "Nebraska" last week) - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ==== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Organizer, SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List \|| |/Joe Zitt's Home Page\| ------------------------------ From: "Joseph Zitt" Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 00:34:26 +0000 Subject: Re: Chris & Michelle etc. On 22 Jan 96 at 4:12, Nicholas Hill wrote: > Flash news for new york radio fans.. Vin Scelsa will be back on the air in > his same time slot on WNEW, where he quit 14 years ago because he wouldnt > play they're playlist.. Very cool ! Yay! Unfortunately the signal won't carry to Dallas... What's WNEW's format nowadays? > I have just licenced for KOCH, the Mary Margaret O'Hara album "Miss > America" for US distribution and it will finally be available here later > this spring, with the Christmas EP to follow. We are going to treat it like > a new record (which it almost is).. Any reviews or thoughts on this > record would be appreciated.. Yay^2! I have a cassette of that album that just about twisted my ears around and planted them on each other's sides of my head when I first heard it. (Koch has put out a heap of my fave albums in the past few years -- if you're responsible for that, keep it up!) - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ==== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Organizer, SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List \|| |/Joe Zitt's Home Page\| ------------------------------ From: "Joseph Zitt" Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 00:44:43 +0000 Subject: Re: Iggy Pop/Debby Harry On 22 Jan 96 at 12:47, Rob Zeiser -- HRA - Dallas wrote: > Hey, I can top that...When I set the VCR to record SNL, I programmed > it for Fox instead of NBC, so I had all of MAD TV and no Tori (in > Dallas, Fox is channel 4 and NBC is channel 5, but the reverse is > true in NY. I've only been in Dallas for five years...). Hey, maybe we can put together a Dallas chapter of Adult Survivors of Missing Tori on TV :-) - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ==== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Organizer, SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List \|| |/Joe Zitt's Home Page\| ------------------------------ From: David Dixon Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 22:26:37 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: weather oneupsmanship, la cite, more male artists > jon and vangelis (that's jon anderson from yes): vangelis does typically > wonderfully electronic-ey whimsical music, and jon writes equally wonderful > and whimsical lyrics and sings them. i like vangelis by himself, but the > lyrics and vocals really add a lot to the experience, i find. and i really > like jon anderson's voice. which is interesting, because neither of the > (admittedly only two) yes albums i've had the chance to hear have interested > me in the slightest for some reason. Well, I wouldn't qualify Vangelis's music as "whimsical". Some of it may be, but he's done some really *weird* albums (especially _Beaubourg_, which has nary a melody, but is fascinating listening anyway). > if they sound interesting to you, i recommend the albums _the friends of mr. > cairo_ and _page of life_ above the other two. _friends of mr. cairo_ > contains some of the best epic-story-type songs i've heard - one that's over > twelve minutes (the title track) and sort of a parody/spoof/retelling of > 1930s-style gangster movies. they also do a few science-fiction-ey songs. > _page of life_ is just a wonderfully catchy and dancey album throughout. Hm.. I was actually pretty disappointed with _Page of Life_. I'd agree that _Mr. Cairo_ is the best of the bunch overall, but the 20-minute track "Horizon" from _Private Collection_ really swoops. _Short Stories_ (their first complete album together) is good too, especially considering they improvised the entire album in one day. D^2 ------------------------------ From: merlin@surf.com (The Merlin) Date: Tue, 23 Jan 1996 00:02:10 -0800 Subject: Re: advice needed about car stereo... > Those of you with car cd players, how >do you like them? I've had an in-dash CD player for two years now, and I love it. (It's an Alpine, FWIW.) Before that, I had a Discman with an adaptor and a shock- absorbing mount for two years, and that was almost as good. Not as convenient, but I could still play cassettes. But not having to copy new CDs to tape to listen has saved mucho dinero on blank tapes. Probably enough, all told, to nearly cover the cost of the deck. :-) >Have you ever had a cd damaged by heat or cold when >left in the car? No, but I keep them in a CD carrier in the storage bin of my car, out of the sun. But on the occaisions where I have left them on the seats, I've still not had any problems. >Is skipping a real problem, in case I can't get a player >with delay? It was worse with the Discman and adaptor (of course). With the in-dash unit, which has no delay, it takes a *major* pothole to cause a skip. I have more problems from dirty discs. >Any ideas on this subject are welcome and I would also >appreciate phone numbers for good equipment catalogs. :) Crutchfield's is >my only resource at the moment. I got mine from a local shop, so unless you feel like coming to California to have your installed, I can't help much. Erik ________________________________________________________________________________ erik@falcon.kla.com merlin@surf.com e_johnso@kla.com In your head, no car is fast enough / In your heart, no love is true Would it ruin all your solitary fancies / If I tell you that it isn't only you? -- Emma Bull, Cats Laughing, "For It All" ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #356 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu