From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #348 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, 16 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 348 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Charley.Darbo@harpercollins.com (Charley Darbo) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 09:21:48 -0500 Subject: disclocation Somebody _p_l_e_a_s_e_ help me find a copy of this cd: AISHA KANDISHA'S JARRING EFFECTS [songlist:] before jedba AISHA MAJITI MATALITI EL MOUKA SANKARA jedba MOULSSINIA EL FARRAH LAROUSSA ROOF FISH SUCK 2 [interior fineprint:] 1991:MARBARUTY 002 +SUISA+ made in austria [copy on bookletback:] ...it's a mass psychosis around a character called Aicha Qandicha. You ever heard of it? _Aicha Qandicha?_ She's a woman - a spirit in the form of a woman. Practically every moroccan has had contact with her some way or another. She's legion, she's manifold. I have a book that says, about 25 years ago, there were 35'000 men in Morocco married to her. A lot of people in Ber Rechid - the psychiatric hospital - are married to her. _What happens if you look at her?_ Then you're married to her and that's that. You begin behaving very strangely. There are several well known husbands of Aicha Qandicha around Tangier: They walk along brooks and riverbeds, hoping to her her voice - you see them wandering ... _a contagious psychosis..._ Right. And when they find Aicha Qandicha again, they make love to her right there, doesn't matter who's there. taken from an interview with Paul Bowles in Tangier 1974. reprinted with kind permission from DU - Nr.6/1990. originally appeared in Rolling Stone. __________________________ I'd give just about anything to have one of my very own. Anyone out there who frequents his/her local used cd stores, please make note of this. Or anyone who has a good source for rarities/imports. And please, tell me _your_ compact digital holy grails; I _haunt_ the local stores, and would be more than willing to trade hunting time with you. K? K. --charleydarbo ------------------------------ From: Yngve Hauge Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:16:17 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: free cd on web I got this CD without answering any questions - just by registering. But I think this was a short time offer ... hugs, Yngve ________________________________________________________________ Yngve Hauge | __ ___ __ | | _ www: http://ulke.himolde.no/~yngveh/ |-- | | | ||-- |_||| |_ Irc-nick: One Alien |__ |__ | |__|| | |||_|_ ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 10:35:17 -0600 Subject: Various thinkings Well, just some thoughts rolling off the fingers, so here goes. In listening to _reading, writing and arithmetic_, I'm wondering what ever became of the sundays? I know they had another release after rw&a, but what has happened to them lately? Am I the only one who things that _Everybody Else Is Doing It So Why Can't We_ was a promising debut, only to be extremely upset (and bored) by The Cranberries' latest? Not just because radio (and TV) played the heck out of "Zombie", but it just doesn't cut it as much as the first. Kerry, don't feel too bad. I don't, nor will I ever, watch _Friends_. I did catch it once, but thought, what's all the hoopla about? Being bored, I proceeded to do something else. However, I am caught up in the nation frenzy and watch _ER_. Just can't get enough of that. Well, turns out yet another ectoconcert is foregoing Omaha. Jewel was scheduled to play here 14 Feb, but the venue has already booked Gods Live Underwater for that date. However, in a sort-a-ecto concert announcement, Poe is opening up for someone on the 20th. Might just go check her out live, and see how good she is. I do like _Hello_, so it might not be a lost case. Just recently one of the local NPR stations went semi-ecto. They switched to an "adult contemport" format, and now we get artists like (okay, maybe artists is stretching a bit) Alannis, Joan Osborne and - get this - Jann Arden (sp?). However, we still have to put up with some unusual stuff, like Whitney and Madonna. Overall, not bad, especially since there aren't any commercials yet. This is actually a shame, as where once there were three stations either completely, or partially NPR, only one exists. One went jazz/new age, and the other "ac". Interesting moves, none the less. Laura Love's dad is putting on a performance. Can't remember the details, but it sounds like it will be fun. (For those who can't remember, Laura Love's dad is Preston.) Too bad she won't be with him - or maybe a suprise performance? Hmm...It has possibilities. I went and re-subscribed to fte and rdt, and then realized why I unsubed in the first place. Banter, banter, banter. Jeez, when will people learn... Oops, practice and preaching, I think I'll go now. Matt - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber, semi-new dad, meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska Disclaimer: opinions expressed by me are my responsibility only. "You cannot make anything foolproof, because the fools are so ingenious." - Christian Walters - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ From: MJM Date: 16 Jan 96 11:34:23 EST Subject: Re: Innocence Mission To clarify -- the one with the white cover is the S/T debut. Then there is Umbrella the 2nd one. Then Glow (yellow). I agree that Glow is palpably different from Umbrella, which is also different, though perhaps not as different, from IM. They are all very good albeit for different reasons. I have friends who love Umbrella but dislike IM. I think IM is less polished, rougher, but at the same time more visceral and engaging at times. Songs like Clear to You (my personal fave), Surreal, and Wonder of Birds, are rougher, yet unequalled in raw emotional energy on any later releases. On the other hand, there is something seductive and constant about Umbrella that is missing on IM. It is much more even and polished, with, I feel, far more subtlety than songs like Notebook, which is great, but a little too in-your-face (some probably will disagree), or raw. Umbrella is more "undulating" (oooh, that's exactly the word I was looking for before) than either of the other two, and has that rhythm as its theme. I would say that Umbrella is a total achievement and progression from IM -- it is a step up, but by adding more polish, they lose a bit of the immediacy of songs like Clear to You which make CtY all that more engaging. Glow, on the other hand, is very quixotic, wavy, almost psychedelic, with a major shift in sound to more dreamy guitars and more echoiness -- definitely portraying if not a stark etherialness, then an etherial sensibility. Almost a reminiscing tone to it, a looking back, a removal from the visceral immediacy in IM. Yet, this calm portrays a quiet power all its own which makes Glow another breakthrough for the group, and particularly for Karen, who writes virtually all of the songs. You can almost see the coming together of Karen and Don (Peris -- they are married)'s family. On the debut, songs like Black Sheep Wall and Broken Circle; contrasted on Glow with songs like Keeping Awake and Happy, The End: "In this story we sit down on Luna Bridge and catch snow in our cupped hands and music is coming from the houses or it sings inside me. **I begin to mend. Oh happy, oh happy, the end, the end, the end**". Clearly the dyfunctionality and alienation she was feeling earlier is being displaced by healing and peace. Taken together, a beautiful set of albums depicting a human process as basic as they come. I say they're all equally great. - -mjm ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:22:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: difficult listening hour On Mon, 15 Jan 1996, 32 flavors and then some wrote: > neal, neal, neal, you more than anyone i know, deserves the moniker > "the difficult listener". :) Always proud to distinguish myself in some way. I don't really know why I am so "aurally reticent", but at least I recognize it. I hardly ever post first impressions anymore, since it takes a good three listens minimum for most interesting things to sink in, and i hate to pass on negative comments too quickly. SOme things grab me pretty quickly. (Of my recent purchases, an older Oysterband disc and the new ruby quickly caught my fancy.) SOme things can take months, or even years. I think Sarah's first one holds the record. I got it when it came out, and only started liking it last year. > things (such as the first innocence mission > album, for example) which leave me no choice but to turn into mewing > pools of melted butter have no effect on you. I guess I'm made of something with a higher melting point than butter. I'm hoping for chocolate, but then, I'll be the first to go if my plane ever crashes in the Andes. > i don't think i'll ever > understand or hope to predict what you will like or not like. :) I have really started to enjoy the Rheostatics tape you sent now. That one slowly gets better on each listen. Neal ------------------------------ From: "S. Lunsford & T. O'Reilly" Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:59:19 +0000 Subject: Sundays, Cranberries, and Ruby Hi everyone, > In listening to _reading, writing and arithmetic_, I'm wondering what > ever became of the sundays? I know they had another release after > rw&a, but what has happened to them lately? I *love* reading, writing and arithmetic -- I bought their other album, which I think is called "blind" and liked it quite a bit as well. I don't know what happened to them, though. I wish they'd come out with something new soon. > > Am I the only one who things that _Everybody Else Is Doing It So Why > Can't We_ was a promising debut, only to be extremely upset (and > bored) by The Cranberries' latest? Not just because radio (and TV) Hm... hope I don't step on any toes by saying this, but while I did enjoy listening to the Cranberries' music at first I eventually realized that the lead singer wasn't going to stop doing that strange "U-UHH" noise that Danny Drennan described quintessentially in his 90210 weekly summary as: "...and the lead singer of this band is doing that particularly repellent thing that women Irish singers do, like that half-ululation thing that Sinead and the Cranberries do like you might make if someone hit you in the back while you were singing..." On the other hand, I walked down to the used cd store this morning and turned in some of my cds for credit and bought Ruby without ever having heard it, just on the strength of hearing about them on ecto, and wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just me, - -Sage ____________________________________________________________________ Sage, Todd and the eight feline cohorts: sagetodd@postoffice.ptd.net Not to mention: http://www.dfw.net/~soulmate/ where you can fall in and spend hours. Literally. ------------------------------ From: MJM Date: 16 Jan 96 13:21:40 EST Subject: switzergill meth sez: >I wonder what the Gilbert/Switzer connection is... Vance Gilbert is from Boston, isn't he?< You know, I asked him exactly this question, and don't exactly remember what he said, except I know Vance hangs out in NY alot (which is where Jane is, I'm not sure about switz) but it might have been a chance meeting, where switz heard him play and spoke to him etc. But don't quote me on that... didn't mean to snap, but y'know, a snap for a snap, ay? ;-) - -mjm ------------------------------ From: spanglemaker Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:41:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: anima mundi so i finally got my hands on ingrid karklins' -anima mundi. i am sort of torn. about half the stuff, the more ethereal slightly celtic, slightly folky stuff, i really like, but some of the stuff seems too hard edged or loud for her voice, and kinda bugs me. so, i was wondering, which side does a darker passion tend towards? chandra ------------------------------ From: Charley.Darbo@harpercollins.com (Charley Darbo) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 13:44:34 -0500 Subject: correx to my 'disclocation' My recent post contained a bizarre typo: The disc for which I pine, _Aisha Kandisha's Jarring Effects_, is on BARBARITY records, not MARBARUTY records. It's BARBARITY 002. Please revise. thnx. --charleydarbo ------------------------------ From: hinshaw@cs.washington.edu (Kevin Hinshaw) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 12:25:40 -0800 Subject: Miranda Sex Garden (was Re: My Scarlet Life) Jeffrey Hanson advised: > If you check out Miranda Sex Garden I recommend you don't start with > Madras--a collection of madrigals that is atypical of the rest of their > work. I'd been meaning to ask about this. Because in a recent CD shopping spree, I picked up that very album based on all the Miranda Sex Garden recommendations I'd seen here. Needless to say, it wasn't quite what I was expecting. :) So I'll just have to try one of the other albums. And if anybody would like to purchase a hardly-used copy of _Madras_, let me know! -]Deniz Bucak, seeing the neon light at the end of the tunnel and >realizing it was singing Gershin, As I have always suspected, my life IS a Dennis Potter miniseries and it is obvious to others around me. on 1/16/96, Aaron taunts: >Well, here in Urbana-Champaign (not two hours drive from >Chicago, laddie), not only do we get M7x almost on a monthly basis, >but Lanterna him/themselves played here last week! >So nyaah. :-) Waaah! A few years back M7x and Big Hat played a New Years Eve gig together somewhere around the middle of the country. Fellow Ecto, Mike Doyle and I tentatively discussed making the long trek (I live around Philadelphia and he's up in Northern Jersey) but decided against it on the silly basis of being broke, having no place to stay, and doing something like 20 hours of driving in a three day weekend. I think I should have gone though. >(What, me, bitter about Happy never coming to Chicago? The word >bitter is not in my vocabulary. Immature, maybe, vindictive, >definitely, but bitter? Never.) I can understand why Happy wouldn't want to tour without the whole band though. (I can also understand why holding down day jobs prevents M7x from going all over too. Definitely my candidate for band most in need of a record deal.) Happy's music is quite complex and not really suited for girl'n'guitar style performance. Or for listening to in an echo and smoke filled club either but that's ok. Oh well. - - Deniz dbucak@netaxs.com http:\\www.netaxs.com\~dbucak\ "Be nice to Mike,he's been nice to you" - Chris Conway ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:25:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Various thinkings On Tue, 16 Jan 1996, Matt Bittner wrote: > Well, turns out yet another ectoconcert is foregoing Omaha. Jewel > was scheduled to play here 14 Feb, but the venue has already booked > Gods Live Underwater for that date. However, in a sort-a-ecto > concert announcement, Poe is opening up for someone on the 20th. > Might just go check her out live, and see how good she is. I do like > _Hello_, so it might not be a lost case. I'm not familiar with Poe, but ecto-discussion has certainly piqued my interest. So I noticed her DC date, and immediately discareded it due to the fact that she is opening for Lenny Kravitz, who I find completely unbearable. Not worth the gamble to me for the inflated ticket prices he would require and the short opening set she would get. So, hope she's opening for someone else in Omaha, though it doesn't seem very likely. (I like the first Cranberries much more than the second myself. The second seems kind of repetitive and a bit strident, though I still enjoy pieces of it too.) Neal ------------------------------ From: MJM Date: 16 Jan 96 16:58:31 EST Subject: past joan stuff Val wrote: >Does anyone know if there are earlier Joan Osborne CDs available, before Relish? A coworker brought in a copy of "Soul Show," a live CD by the Joan Osborne Band that he bought at a New York Club several years ago. The sound is _very_ different -- much more soul and jamming, with versions of Crazy Baby and Help on it. I'd love to hear more of this Joan Osborne. BTW, how rare is this CD? I'm tempted already to steal it from him. :)< I have no idea whether this is still avail. I would guess not now that she has signed a major label deal. Ectophiles can't say they didn't know about it while it *was* avail, tho, thanks to woj who posted about Joan at least 2 years ago after hearing Blue Million Miles CD5. I jumped on that recommendation and order the CD5 & the Soul Show disk. Was much impressed with Blue, not so impressed with Soul Show. (Doesn't every 'phile jump on any recommendation that woj makes? :--) Anyways, since it's probably rare now, I won't sell it to you, but you can certainly borrow it if you promise to treat me nice... :-) (just kidding, val already treats me nice, except when she disappears from volleyball without saying goodbye... :---) Moral of the story: don't ever ignore ecto advice!!! - -mjm ------------------------------ From: Charley.Darbo@harpercollins.com (Charley Darbo) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:09:30 -0500 Subject: recent acquisitions I spent way too much (but less than usual) on cd's this week: Poe: _Hello_ [finally] The Henrys: _Puerto Angel_ [2nd copy] Ruby: "tiny meat" single; "meat for the feet mix" Anne Clarke: 3 disc set; French import I liked her in the early eighties and wanted to see if she stood the test of time; she does not. For those of you who don't remember her, she's the British girl who shouted poetry in a lower-class (nearly Cockney) accent over synthesizer a track. Well, my memory betrayed me: Her poetry is nearly -- but not quite -- bad enough to have camp value ['the night is for the hunters / the hunted are you and me / hunted for just HAVing / some ind'viduALity']; and the synthesizer is as cheesy as they come. Her delivery is interesting, though; nothing at all like rap. Not that she's unaware of the rhythm; more like, though she's not singing, she's emulating a melodic instrument, rather than percussion, as rappers do. She's as aware of her voice's tonalities as Martin Luther King was. I just wish she were a better poet. And I wish there were more than just one track backed with piano, rather than synthesizers that sound like her little brother cobbled them together with alarm-clock parts. "Our Darkness" is still good, though; later synths and louder: her lyrics are mercifully unintelligible. Includes three mixes of "Our Darkness." Eddi Reader: [says on disc:] "Cherry Tree EP" [says on sleeve:] "All or Nothing EP" contains 'All or Nothing' 'Broken Vows' (otherwise unavailable) 'The Blacksmith' 'The Girl with the Weight of the World in Her Hands' (otherwise unavailable; "...recorded by Roy Dodds with two microphones onto DAT in Eddi's garden under the cherry tree in spring '91. / Birdsong by kind permission of God.") The Boswell Sisters: _Collection, vol. 1, 1931-32_ [another Boswell cd that I don't have with me and whose title escapes me] . . . and a few more I can't think of ust now. Maybe later. --charleydarbo ------------------------------ From: David Dixon Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 14:24:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: Sssssssmokin'! Hi folks, Last Wednesday (1/10), an electrical fire broke out in my house. Luckily, my housemate Char was home, and she got out her cat and my lovebird and called 911. The fire department did a great job; they kept the fire from spreading too much, so none of my stuff went up in smoke. Unfortunately, just about everything I own has a fine layer of soot on it, and the house is uninhabitable, so I've had to move. And I had only lived at this place for two months! :P I managed to find a new place within a few days, and I'll be moving there later this week. My new address will be 2703 Forest #3, Berkeley, CA, 94704. My phone number should remain the same (510-548-4549), as I'm only moving a couple blocks away from my old place. You know, one of these days I'm going to have a permanent address... Ashes to ashes, Dave "Job" Dixon (and Monty T. Bird) ------------------------------ From: ariel_b@pipeline.com (Ariel Brennan) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 17:28:42 -0500 Subject: Re: Various thinkings On Jan 16, 1996 10:35:17, '"Matt Bittner" ' wrote: >Am I the only one who things that _Everybody Else Is Doing It So Why >Can't We_ was a promising debut, only to be extremely upset (and >bored) by The Cranberries' latest? Well, I don't know if you're the only one, but I strongly disagree! In fact, I thought _Everybody_ was really boring and only liked maybe four songs off it. I much preferred _No Need To Argue_, although, it being the Cranberries, I'm not mad over it (O'Roiden's voice, much like Natalie Merchant's, really... really... grates on me). >Kerry, don't feel too bad. I don't, nor will I ever, watch >_Friends_. I did catch it once, but thought, what's all the hoopla >about? I want to know that, myself. I've seen two episodes, and was thoroughly unimpressed. >I went and re-subscribed to fte and rdt, and then realized why I >unsubed in the first place. Banter, banter, banter. Jeez, when will >people learn... Oops, practice and preaching, I think I'll go now. I can't seem to sub to rdt. -_- I unsubbed from fte, because there was TOO MUCH MAIL. I should resub - I'm getting 200 messages a day now, so an extra million shouldn't bother me much... Ariel - -- "Caught a lite sneeze, dreamed a little dream... made my own pretty hate machine." - Tori Amos ------------------------------ From: Charley.Darbo@harpercollins.com (Charley Darbo) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 16:34:51 -0500 Subject: SineadCranberriesAlannisRuby(Sage) Sage writes: " . . . the Cranberries' . . . lead singer . . . that strange 'U- UHH' noise . . . described . . . as: ' . . . that particularly repellent thing that women Irish singers do, like that half- ululation thing that Sinead and the Cranberries do like you might make if someone hit you in the back while you were singing . . .'" I would hereby like to formally charge Alannis Morissette as the most gratuitous perpetrator of this tic. Sage goes on to say she ". . . bought Ruby without ever having heard it, just on the strength of hearing about them on ecto, and wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Couldn't've said it better myself; I'm still listening to _Salt Peter_ at least four times a day and am no closer to tiring of it. --charleydarbo ------------------------------ From: ariel_b@pipeline.com (Ariel Brennan) Date: Tue, 16 Jan 1996 18:00:45 -0500 Subject: Fifth or sixth thoughts on recent acquisitions... Well, after blowing about $400 on music over the past month or so, I find myself many a CD richer, and many a CD happier. I haven't been displeased with anything I've bought. Here are some thoughts and highlights on stuff I've listened to enough to form a solid opinion: Caught A Lite Sneeze single Tori Amos Whoa, good gods, Tori is a goddess! :) CALS is a *wonderful* song, and I'm absolutely nuts over it. It might be my favorite Torisong so far, or I might be letting it's newness get to me, but it's definately up there. This Old Man! What a kick - I can't believe Tori can actually make that kid's song something so beautiful. Ye god I love her voice. The other songs are great too. I'm drooling over Boys For Pele. only a week... Can I survive the wait? Shawn Colvin Steady On I had intended to just take a Big Chance and buy all the Shawn Colvin stuff they had, but I didn't, since I didn't have much money on me. I'm not sure what I think of this - I really like the first few tracks, then it kind of blurs - I'm not sure if it's the music or just that I stop paying attention. ;) I think I'll have to play it a lot and let it grow on me like I did with Fumbling Towards Ecstasy. I see potential here. Great lyrics, except for a few... little ... lines here and there that bother me. Janis Ian Revenge Okay, here's an odd one. I love the lyrics. I love the music. It's the voice. I mean, her voice is nice and pleasent, but I keep wishing she'd just, for lack of a better term, belt out the vocals instead of holding everything back. She sings like a shy woman at a Karaoke bar, ferchrissakes. She needs to let go. ;> Sinead O'Connor The Lion And The Cobra Okay, I had to buy it after all the raving about how it's one of the best albums, period. Now, I hate to be the voice of dissention here, but I really disagree. I think it's an alright album, with some really good moments, but I haven't been struck all THAT hard by the thing. I enjoy Jackie, Jerusalem, Just Like U Said It Would B and Troy, but the rest is either okay or unpleasent (I really can't take "I Want Your Hands On Me). And, by the way, regarding Troy, I LOVE it as a song, but it doesn't move me, emotionally, in the slightest, mainly because of a few clumsy lyrics, and Sinead's delivery, which sounds as though she's trying to sound like she means what she's saying (as opposed to just plain sounding like she means what she's saying, you know?). So I guess I'll have to go back to my original stance vis a vis Sinead - I find Sarah M much much much more emotionally affecting than Sinead. There are about ten other CD's I haven't put enough effort into, to have a real opinion on, like Maria McKee and Joan Armatrading, so I'll have to stifle until I'm on steady ground with them. A - -- "Caught a lite sneeze, dreamed a little dream... made my own pretty hate machine." - Tori Amos ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #348 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu