From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #335 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Sunday, 7 January 1996 Volume 02 : Number 335 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Deepspace" Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 22:38:59 +0000 Subject: Re: Alannis Morrissette:again All right, I think in all the talk about Alanis I've yet to read what I notice about Jagged Little Pill: Alanis has a great band. There! I'm on record as being impressed by the intensity of her backup musicians. The first thing I liked about "You Oughtta Know" was the guitar. Then I realized the rest of the band was cookin' too. She certainly is capable enough herself, but I for one am grateful not have to be on tour and going through that catharsis every night! Just my ha'penny's worth... Robert ------------------------------ From: "Deepspace" Date: Sat, 6 Jan 1996 22:38:59 +0000 Subject: Salty! > >>Salty?? > Well, salty is a real word -mean saucy or spicy or risque or whatever, but > it sure ain't a word with much currency these days. It's one of those words > that nobody under the age of, say, 80, can really use without dumping in a > hefty batch of irony. Hey! I'm 47, soon to be 48, and I know salty. Back in the old daze, there used to be a band called Procol Harum. Their third album was called "A Salty Dog" (and was quite good, too). There is also an old bluegrass tune called "Salty Dog Rag". The point is, you don't have to be 80. 47 certainly does well enough! Robert, thinking that the F word in You Oughtta Know is the cause of the salty label... ------------------------------ From: "introduce yourself..." Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 18:02:24 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: well... ... I'm back after a brief holiday (I was *forced* to stay away from the 'puters, dammit! :) So, hi again. A few major things have happened since my last post here... I found out that the coven I was in has now fallen apart, so I'm now a solitary witch... until the next coven starts up, that is. And a friend of mine, Mike Lindley, hanged himself a week ago. He was a good person; quiet, friendly, good taste in music (he was a big Dead Can Dance fan) and he had a great sense of humour. He killed himself in the early morning of New Year's Day, after coming back from a party which I had attended. He'd seemed particularly happy before he left - joking around, laughing, chatting. And less than three hours later, he was dead. I found out about his death the day before the funeral. I was there. His friends and family chose an impressive selection of music, including Enya, REM, some solo piano work, and some DCD. I'm not sure which song it was, but it was one he was always playing. His coffin was taken down the aisle to the hearse to the haunting strains of Lisa Gerrard. I will never listen to Dead Can Dance in the same way again. Mike was a good person. He shouldn't have died. I still find it hard to accept that he's gone for good. I probably always will. Why do the good guys go? Urs. - -- Urs Stafford (stafford_u@ix.wcc.govt.nz, whiskers@sans.vuw.ac.nz) Mail all replies to stafford_u@ix.wcc.govt.nz please! ------------------------------ From: "Joseph Zitt" Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 01:40:41 +0000 Subject: Re: well... On 7 Jan 96 at 18:02, introduce yourself... wrote: > And a friend of mine, Mike Lindley, hanged himself a week ago. He was a > good person; quiet, friendly, good taste in music (he was a big Dead Can > Dance fan) and he had a great sense of humour. *HUGS* if you'll accept them.... I"ve had friends die like that and... well, if I believed that there was any sense to the universe, I'd have a hard time plugging this data in. > I will never listen to Dead Can Dance in the same way again. *sigh* -- for me, it's the score to "Hair" and the music of Kodaly... > Mike was a good person. He shouldn't have died. I still find it hard to > accept that he's gone for good. I probably always will. > > Why do the good guys go? Dunno... I've given up on "why" of late... - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ==== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Organizer, SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List \|| |/Joe Zitt's Home Page\| ------------------------------ From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 96 19:09:05 EST Subject: Re: A return to the fold ... Chris Boek wrote: >Sarah McLachlan, Fumbling Towards Ecstasy. >------------------------------------------ >This made the biggest impression on me last year. I bought it on a whim >in JB's after having heard so much about it here, and just happening to >spot it on the shelf (most things mentioned here seem to require special >ordering for some reason ....). Incidentally they had both the US pressing >and an Australian pressing ... is anyone aware of any differences ? For once (!) the Canadian, US and Australian releases are identical, right down to the bonus track. The paper stock used for the booklet is best on the Canadian release, though. >I also remember >the Apollo 18 experience (TMBG), where Fingertips was one big track on the >Australian pressing. Blame Warner in Germany for that one: we got the European-mastered version of that album. I agree, big, big stupid mistake on the part of whoever mastered the album... - - Anthony - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au http://daemon.apana.org.au/~anthony/ Physical mail: P.O. Box 40, Malvern 3144, Victoria, Australia "The red sky was bleeding glimpses of heaven, in sections of seven..." - Rose Chronicles reaching lyrical perfection on "Awaiting Eternity" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 96 19:32:05 EST Subject: Re: Re[2]: Okay okay, here's mine Valerie joined in on the topic of Alanis: >Matt Bittner said: > typed diligently: > >>> Alanis Morrisette >>> - -- I'm sorry, but somebody needs to slap her. > >>ROTFL!!!! Hey, she's got a couple of okay songs, but what's all the >>hype about? I bought JLP for my sister (since she really likes it) >>over Turkey Day, and had a chance to listen to it in its entirety, >>and found it - let's say, lacking. Like I said, a couple of OK >>songs, but the rest fall flat. > >I, too, can't really stand her. :-) I have tried, really tried to like Alanis' album. People (not Warner, thankfully) telling me that "If you like Tori Amos, you'll love Alanis Morrisette" didn't help. But honestly, I can't see what all the fuss is about. Three points: * Her voice sounds like Gary Numan on a bad day. * How she ever did teeny-pop I can't imagine - she'd scare kids away! * She's taken Ugly Vocal Mannerisms (as pioneered by Tori at early live shows) to new, ridiculous extremes. >Here's my theory: It's no accident that AM is >signed to Madonna's label. Neither knows the first thing about subtlety, that >little thing that can change music from a piece of dreck to a masterpiece. Good point about the lack of subtlety. Listening to Alanis is like being whapped about the head with a dance-remixed brick. I strongly suspect that Madonna and her A&R gang at Maverick were looking for something to make up for them missing out on Hole. Alanis is the Courtney it's OK to like. Both annoy the hell out of me, but for different reasons. Here endeth the flamebait. :-) - - Anthony - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au http://daemon.apana.org.au/~anthony/ Physical mail: P.O. Box 40, Malvern 3144, Victoria, Australia "The red sky was bleeding glimpses of heaven, in sections of seven..." - Rose Chronicles reaching lyrical perfection on "Awaiting Eternity" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Emmy May Lombaerts Date: Sun, 7 Jan 96 11:13:44 PST Subject: Liz, Heather and male ecto-artists ariana@nycmetro.com wrote: >Talking about women singing and being angry how come no one talks about >Liz Phair on here. She also sings about her sexuality more in your >face then Tori. Songs like Fuck and Run, and Flower. I really like Liz Phair.. I dunno if she can considered to be "Ecto", but I really like her "Whip Smart" and "Exile in Guyville albums". A lot of people are saying Alanis is the new Liz Phair, but I can't really agree with that. Okay, so they're both female singers whose music is assertive and angry, but IMHO Liz is a lot more upfront than Alanis, and also expresses a wider range of emotions. Ariel said: >Well, I thought Oyster was okay, and I can't remember whether or not it was >on my top ten, but I do think it's kind of bland. I think it's a very hit >or miss album. I like it less and less the more I listen to it, so I >usually stick to the first four songs, and Doubled Up... When I first got "Oyster", it didn't appeal to me at all. I thought it was loud, chaotic, and not really the sort of thing I could get into. I wondered what the fuss was all about.. But somehow, I kept listening, and it slowly grew on me, and I started seeing the jewels behind the chaos. The more I hear that album, the more I love it.. Especially "Heal", "Walking Higher", "Island" and "Doubled up"... Heather was one of my biggest musical discoveries this year. And what a year in music it has been too. It's been ages since I was so enthusiastic about new stuff. Some time ago, someone in the ecto-USENET-group bravely attempted to start a male-ecto-artists-thread, but was soon put to silence by the Pearl Jam-Spammers... But it got me curious, though.. Which male artists do you all listen to? I usually tend to put on music with female vocals, but I do like NIN, Elton John,and to some extent TAFKAP and Peter Gabriel. Emmy. 'Butterflies don't belong in nets' ~ Tori Amos Emmy May Lombaerts lombaeg@mail.interpac.be http://www.ping.be/~ping2242/emmy.html ------------------------------ From: Dirk Kastens Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 13:22:36 +0100 (NFT) Subject: Re: Liz, Heather and male ecto-artists On Sun, 7 Jan 1996, Emmy May Lombaerts wrote: > When I first got "Oyster", it didn't appeal to me at all. I thought it was > loud, chaotic, and not really the sort of thing I could get into. I wondered > what the fuss was all about.. But somehow, I kept listening, and it slowly > grew on me, and I started seeing the jewels behind the chaos. The more I hear > that album, the more I love it.. Especially "Heal", "Walking Higher", "Island" > and "Doubled up"... Heather was one of my biggest musical discoveries this year. > And what a year in music it has been too. It's been ages since I was so enthusiastic > about new stuff. Ha, I've just recorded some tapes for my vacation and guess what Heather songs I recorded? "Walk This World", "Heal", "Island", and "Walking Higher" !!! I totally agree with you, Heather was my biggest discovery this year, too. I saw her live before I had any of her albums and I was as deeply moved as when I saw Tori for the first time. Dirk Kastens _______________Dirk.Kastens@rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE Universitaet Osnabrueck Phone: +49/541/969-2347 (work) Rechenzentrum Fax: +49/541/969-2470 (work) Albrechtstr. 28 Phone: +49/541/258182 (private) 49069 Osnabrueck Germany ------------------------------ From: neilg@sfu.ca (Neil K. Guy) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 09:09:22 -0700 Subject: Re: Salty! At 3:38 PM on 1/6/96, you wrote: > The point is, you don't have to be 80. 47 certainly does well >enough! Heh... well, I guess I'm one to talk. I'm quite a bit under 80 and know the word. :) I guess it comes from seafaring slang - salty dogs and all that. >Robert, thinking that the F word in You Oughtta Know is the cause of >the salty label... Yeah. I was rather surprised to hear it broadcast on mainstream radio. Is there a less salty edited version for radio stations with weaker stomachs? - Neil K. - -- Neil K. Guy * neilg@sfu.ca * tela@tela.bc.ca 49N 16' 123W 7' * Vancouver, BC, Canada ------------------------------ From: 32 flavors and then some Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 14:08:36 -0500 Subject: Re: Liz, Heather and male ecto-artists Emmy May Lombaerts sez: >But it got me curious, though.. Which male artists do you all listen to? robyn hitchcock/soft boys, roy harper, peter hammill/van der graf generator, xtc, gary numan (thpth to anthony!), mark burgess/the chameleons, bill nelson/be bop deluxe. they are the biggies (or, put in internet terms, the folks whose mailing lists i am subscribed to). >but I do like NIN, Elton John,and to some extent TAFKAP and Peter Gabriel. i'm acronym-challenged this morning. tafkap? woj ------------------------------ From: lakrahn@imho.net (Laurel Krahn) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 1996 13:58:58 -0600 Subject: Re: Liz, Heather and male ecto-artists At 02:08 PM 1/7/96 -0500, 32 flavors and then some wrote: >Emmy May Lombaerts sez: > >>But it got me curious, though.. Which male artists do you all listen to? (a few of the bands I mention have female members, but don't often/always/ever have lead female vocals) Peter Gabriel, Richard Thompson, Lyle Lovett, Billy Bragg, XTC, the Feelies, Matthew Sweet, the Jayhawks, Gear Daddies/Martin Zellar, Husker Du/Bob Mould/Sugar, Boiled in Lead, Greg Brown, Richard Shindell, Yo La Tengo, Steven Brust, Peter Himmelman, John Wesley Harding, the Cure, Crowded House, Cordelia's Dad, Hothouse Flowers, the Waterboys, the Replacements, the Judybats, Kitchens of Distinction, Jethro Tull, the Levellers, Luna, Michael Smith, Steve Goodman, Poi Dog Pondering, the Pogues, the Suburbs, R.E.M., Talking Heads, Trip Shakespeare, Nick Cave, Nick Drake, Elvis Costello, Robyn Hitchcock, Joe Jackson, Bob Telson, and probably a few or more others I'm forgetting... ..................................................................... Laurel (lakrahn@imho.net) Krahn, Webspinner Virtual Home: http://www.apocalypse.org/pub/u/lakrahn/ Signal-to-Noise: http://www.apocalypse.org/pub/signal-to-noise/ ------------------------------ From: lakrahn@imho.net (Laurel Krahn) Date: Sun, 07 Jan 1996 14:05:36 -0600 Subject: Re: Liz, Heather and male ecto-artists At 02:08 PM 1/7/96 -0500, 32 flavors and then some wrote: >Emmy May Lombaerts sez: > >>But it got me curious, though.. Which male artists do you all listen to? Hmm. I forgot to mention the Beatles, Beautiful South, adorable, the Wedding Present, Catherine Wheel, the Chills, Barenaked Ladies, Moxy Fruvous, Crash Test Dummies, Toad the Wet Sprocket, the Chameleons, Balloon, Springhouse, X/John Doe, Paul Simon, Iain Matthews, G.W. McLellan, Go-Betweens, Jack Frost, Blue Rodeo, and probably others but I really won't post another followup I promise. (You know, looking at my CD collection I do have a lot more female oriented/ecto type music than music with guys as songwriter/singer. Honest. I just like a lot of guys, too...) :-) ..................................................................... Laurel (lakrahn@imho.net) Krahn, Webspinner Virtual Home: http://www.apocalypse.org/pub/u/lakrahn/ Signal-to-Noise: http://www.apocalypse.org/pub/signal-to-noise/ ------------------------------ From: spike45@sos.sos.net (monroe/fisher) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 12:46:46 -0800 Subject: Hello & Thanks Hello Ecto, Thank you all for some great new music. Just got Ani's NOT A PRETTY GIRL...WOW! I have been looking through my Laddyslipper cat. for my next Ani CD. IMPERFECTLY & OUT OF RANGE look pretty interesting. Can anyone make a recommendation? I must also thank you for the kind letters I received through my brother when my friend Rod Bourland (revie?) died last year. I don't have any other friends that are into music in the same way we were. Every time I hear something new and great I think "I've got to call Rod and tell him about this...he will love it." I turned Rod on to Happy and Kate Bush. He turned me on to Jane Siberry and others. Have enjoyed all the top 10 list. Some of the music I listened to most this year actually came out before 1995. Here they are: Joni Mitchell - Turbulent Indigo Happy - Equipoise BTC The Keep Jane Siberry - No Borders Here The Speckless Sky The Walking David Bowie - Outside London Suede - Dog Man Star All Romeo Void ---- I didn't have a turntable to play them on for years---anyone else ever heard off them? Thank you all for being here. Bye. Wayne Fisher Mount Vernon, Wa. ------------------------------ From: Kerry White Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 15:52:59 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: well... Hello, > > Why do the good guys go? > > Urs. *All* go. The good ones are missed more! Those in our memory don't go far. KrW ------------------------------ From: ariel_b@pipeline.com (Ariel Brennan) Date: Sun, 7 Jan 1996 19:55:40 -0500 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Okay okay, here's mine On Jan 07, 1996 19:32:05, 'anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan)' wrote: >:-) I have tried, really tried to like Alanis' album. People (not Warner, >thankfully) telling me that "If you like Tori Amos, you'll love Alanis >Morrisette" didn't help. But honestly, I can't see what all the fuss is >about. I don't get the Tori comparison. I'm a huge fan of both artists (I'm currently obsessing over "Caught A Lite Sneeze", which is an incredible song that I want to be cremated with), but I don't catch any similarity. Weird. Apparently, Alanis is one of those artists that gets compared to everyone though. People saying she's the new Liz Phair, or Tori Amos... I've heard a few people say she sounded like Ani DiFranco, and one person say she sounded like Sarah McLachlan (!?!?!). >* Her voice sounds like Gary Numan on a bad day. Who? >* How she ever did teeny-pop I can't imagine - she'd scare kids away! I've got one of her pop albums. It's really not as Debbie Gibson as people say it is. In fact, it's NOTHING like Debbie G, who's music was generally softie pop, whereas Alanis was more like... hard Paula Abdul. >* She's taken Ugly Vocal Mannerisms (as pioneered by Tori at early live >shows) to new, ridiculous extremes. Eh? >Good point about the lack of subtlety. Listening to Alanis is like being >whapped about the head with a dance-remixed brick. Well, I appreciate the lack of subtlety. I like any approach that works, including "in your face" bluntness. In fact, I tend to prefer the blunt approach, but I still get to adore Tori, Kate Bush, Sarah McLachlan and Jane Siberry as goddesses of music and life. :) >I strongly suspect that Madonna and her A&R gang at Maverick were looking for >something to make up for them missing out on Hole. Alanis is the Courtney >it's OK to like. Both annoy the hell out of me, but for different reasons. Uh, let's not start the whole Alanis-as-corporate-puppet thing here? Please? I beg you? Ariel - -- "Caught a lite sneeze, dreamed a little dream... made my own pretty hate machine." - Tori Amos ------------------------------ From: THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE Date: Sun, 07 Jan 1996 19:56:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: ...like the snow Hi! Greetings from the frozen and blizzard-plagued Northeastern United States. Anthony H. and Chris Boek, be warned -- if we win the Lottery, we're moving to Australia until April, and we'll need a place to stay. ;) So we finally found Tori's new single, "Caught A Lite Sneeze". I think we must have listened to it 10 times on repeat while cleaning the house yester- day. Wow, what a great song. I was talking to a friend of mine last night, and we were trying to imagine what this tour is going to be like. Will she have a harpsichord on stage? Will she have some Rick Wakeman-like setup so she can play the piano and the harpsichord simultaneously? Will she use backing tracks again? I NEED _Boys For Pele_, and I need it NOW. Waah! Anyway... Sherry reported: > Emmylou Harris is scheduled to be on World Cafe Friday 1/5 Was she? We tuned in on Friday night, and it was somebody else... >If anyone in the Phila./New Jersey area gets the pay cable channel PRISM, >make sure to tune in on Thursday, 1/10 at 6pm. The Prism Music Magazine made >a one year anniversary show. At the very end, there is a in-studio >performance of Happy playing "Look for the Child" solo acoustic. Eeeep! Anybody going to be able to tape this (Uncle Bob :)? sage explained: >Um...wull...I guess I should have mentioned that what I think of as >"fast" or "boppy" is way different than what most of the human race >thinks of as boppy :^). >... >Blah blah blah, did I make myself any clearer or >just totally weird and incomprehensible? :^) Geez. How long does it take for you to get out of bed every day? Or do you just not bother? :) Neile rated: > Susan McKeown & The Chanting House -- Bones ... on the "Sheela-na-gig" record label, interestingly enough... :) Sue mentioned: >In case you're curious, Alanis Morisette, the woman many ectophiles love >to hate, received several Grammy nominations, including album of the year >and best new artist. Joan Osborne was nominated in many categories >including album of the year, best new artist and record of the year. Joni >Mitchell got a pop album of the year nomination for "Turbulent Indigo." - -- and Kate Bush was nominated in the "Long Form Video" category for _The Line, The Cross, and The Curve_, along with Peter Gabriel's _Secret World Live_ and a few others not necessarily of great interest. Go Kate! >Has anyone watched any of those American Bandstand reruns they're showing >daily on VH1? Ah, the memories of feathered hair and blue eyeshadow come >rushing back... Oh, my. Haven't seen any of them, but I have been paying attention to which ones they've been showing: I want to see the one from '83 or '84 with Madness again. Those crazy ska boys wreaked more havoc than American broadcast tele- vision was prepared for at the time, and it was hilarious. (When Dick Clark got goosed for the second time and narrowly escaped a wedgie, they went to commercial. ;) Amy inquired: >is it spring yet?.... (as she pokes her little head out from under the >covers..) Unfortunately, no. Dammit. (See above.) :P >It is 1996 isn't it?..... this is the year *I* turn 30 ..... (ugh..) I >think I'm going to go somewhere warm (with my companion), lay in the sun and >have people bring me fuzzy blue drinks..... (what's a few more wrinkles..) I seem to be surrounded by people undergoing various types of trauma due to impending birthdays lately. Sigh. One of my co-workers just turned 30, and she's in the midst of a crisis over it. And last night my best friend called me to wail about her upcoming 25th birthday (among other things). I can sort of see getting weirded out about 30, but 25?!? I can't wait to be 25, so I can finally rent cars from anywhere, and get cheaper car insurance to boot! Is this strange? Should I be freaking out too? Am I unknowingly repressing some important emotional catharsis? Or am I listening to too much cool music to care? >Michael Jackson is still alive (and actually got *married* shhhheeeeeet I >thought I'd be married again before *he* made a trip down the aisle!) And he married a human female, no less! >How musicians (and others ...) are *still* overdosing from heroin (haven't >we learned yet?) There's a reason why evolution is selective, my friend... Ken replied: >>and the most confusing of all...... why my 22 year old roommate is dating my >>34 year old ex-boyfriend (who just so happens to live downstairs). > >Recycling is really a GOOD Thing...just as long as you don't share a >heating vent with the apartment below (but that might give you a way to >put the Christmas present-tape recorder to the test).... Damon clarified: >oops, yeah, thanks for reminding me of something i was going to, but kept >forgetting to, mention. the genre listings are *in addition to* a huge >alphabetical index that contains every single entry. so the sane way of >organising things is not supplanted, just added to :) and Neile added: >One is a contributor's index, listing all the entries that the various >contributors have commented on. Keeping this has the added bonus of >helping me keep email addresses somewhat up to date and people being able >to check all the times they're quoted and be able to change & correction >their quotes if necessary, AND if you know you have kinda the same tastes >as someone you can look to see who else that person has reviewed. Oh! Well, then, as long as there are alternatives for those of us who think categories are silly, then I guess I'll stop my nit-picking. :) Nick replied: >That was Katell with all those folks.. She and Natalie sang a soul tune >with Fontella Bass & Katell sang one of her own.. (partisans maybe) She fit >right in.. Aha! I knew it! Thanks, Nick... Urs returned: >A few major things have happened since my last post here... I found out >that the coven I was in has now fallen apart, so I'm now a solitary >witch... until the next coven starts up, that is. Can you start your own? >And a friend of mine, Mike Lindley, hanged himself a week ago. He was a >good person; quiet, friendly, good taste in music (he was a big Dead Can >Dance fan) and he had a great sense of humour. :( :( :( :( :( I'm sorry about that. >Why do the good guys go? Nobody knows. That's just the way the Universe works, I guess. Sucks, doesn't it? (Then again, I've always been pretty cynical about things in general.) Neil inquired about the naughty bit in "You Oughtta Know": > Yeah. I was rather surprised to hear it broadcast on mainstream radio. Is >there a less salty edited version for radio stations with weaker stomachs? You mean, every radio station in the United States? Yes. Interestingly, though, they only edited out the middle part of the word, so it's still quite obvious what she's saying. To close, what male artists/male-led bands I listen to: Peter Gabriel, Robyn Hitchcock, Roy Harper, Bruce Cockburn, John Gorka, Talking Heads. I think that's pretty much it. Of these, I think I've only listened to Robyn and Roy in recent memory, but I do at least own albums by the others. Male voices generally do nothing for me, can you tell? :) +===========================================================================+ |Meredith Tarr meth@delphi.com| |Boonton, NJ USA http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/meth/| +===========================================================================+ | "Life is a sleazy stranger and this is his favorite bar" - Ani DiFranco | +===========================================================================+ ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #335 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu