From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #320 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, 28 December 1995 Volume 02 : Number 320 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Damon Harper) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 95 03:35:52 -0800 Subject: veda hille question whoops... meant to ask this sometime during my last post, but forgot: how do people think veda hille's other albums compare with "path of a body"? heck, what are her other albums *called*? i remember hearing she had two (?) others out but can't remember anything else. i figure she's going to be a must-have artist, but decided i'd ask anyway :) thanks damon - -- _/\_ Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca __\ /__ "Doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo, COOL BANANAS Communications \ / doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo." Vancouver, BC, CANADA |/||\| - The Cranberries, http://mindlink.bc.ca/Damon_Harper/ "Ode To My Family" ------------------------------ From: ariel_b@pipeline.com (Ariel Brennan) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 07:32:47 -0500 Subject: Re: Ah, the weekend's ectophillic acquisitions, plus! On Dec 27, 1995 03:32:13, 'damon harper ' wrote: >ok... i was going to wait and post about diamanda after i'd listened to the >cd some more, but ariel prompted me to do so now :) Oh, blame me, why doncha? >:P :) Re: Diamanda Galas >i was intruiged by the discussion of diamanda here, mainly because she'd >been described as "frightening" and i tend to like music that a lot of >people call spooky (hi ariane ;). anyway, i put _the plague mass_ on my >list and lo and behold, there it was on christmas day looking like a return >to the seventeenth century :P she *is* frightening! It's music! How scary can it be? ;> >listened to it that night a tiny bit, but i was in one of >those moods where *anything* new is definitely going to sound bad, and knew >i was, so i stopped pretty quickly. Oh, I was wondering if I was the only one who had moods like that. ;> >anyway, my point was that this *isn't* very musical stuff. it seems to be >mainly chanting (usually repeating a line or two over and over for a while, >then switching...), frenzied banshee screeching, and bizarre "speaking in >tongues"-ish bits. Okay, it can be pretty scarey. ;> But anyway, since I haven't heard any Diamanda G at all, I can't *really* say anything here. :) >sometimes heavy, echoey (well, it was done in a church), >vaultish beats, but not too much else. again, i don't know what her other >works are like, but i'd say that as far as musical content goes, she's more >meryn than dead can dance. thematically, well... closer to dcd. more >gothic. or old testament. or something :) Sounds pretty odd, actually. Re: spoken/musical ectostuff >not sure how ani got in there Probably because of her couple of spoken thingies, like The Slant, Not So Soft, etc. >but as far as laurie goes... her later stuff >has been more musical, and while she's always done things that i'd consider >musical, a lot of her performances have been *mainly* spoken word. But are her ALBUMS mainly spoken word? Because that's what I'm talking about here. I know Anderson did one album full of stories or something, but that was a special album, so it doesn't count. :P >more so >that what small amount of meryn i've heard. I don't think you can get any more spoken word than Meryn without losing the instruments entirely. ;> >and good god, i don't know where i'd put diamanda galas. the section with >the big "DO NOT TOUCH UNLESS YOU ARE EITHER INCREDIBLY BRAVE OR BOTH DEAF >AND BLIND" sign on it, maybe :P ROFL! Come now, it can't be THAT weird... ;> >also got hector zazou's "sahara blue", which so far i like not nearly as >much as "chansons des mers froids" but which is still good, and veda hille's >"path of a body", which affects me more and more each time i hear it... i >cannot stress enough how wonderful this album is. i think it's worming its >way slowly up to a very high position on my priority list (which shifts a >lot according to my mood, of course :) Well, Veda's album has pretty much fallen flat with me. There are a few songs on it I love intensely, but the rest I can't bear to listen to at all. One of those hit or miss thing, I guess... A - -- "I don't care, cause sometimes, I said sometimes, I hear my voice, and it's been here..." - Tori Amos ------------------------------ From: 32 flavors and then some Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 07:54:49 -0500 Subject: Re: veda hille question Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca (Damon Harper) sez: >how do people think veda hille's other albums compare with "path of a >body"? heck, what are her other albums *called*? i remember hearing she >had two (?) others out but can't remember anything else. her first, and only other, album is _songs about people and buildings_. it's a independantly-released cassette-only album (sheesh - - that description had almost as many hyphens as a sensitive new age guy). it's a less challenging album than _path of a body_, but it is still good and has the promise that she fulfilled on her second album. woj ------------------------------ From: Brian Bloom Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 16:33:09 -0600 (CST) Subject: Diva anyone? Heigh-ho y'all! Simple, but strange request... I bought a nice Yamaha keyboard as a Christmas/Chanukah gift for my wife (and also for me ) I'm trying to teach myself how to play some of the songs that I like. I'm starting with "Sentimental Walk" from the Diva soundtrack. I'm able to get most of the melody, but I'm horrible with chords and having problems figuring out the left hand parts becuase of this. Does anyone have sheet music for this? If not, can someone with the album and a good ear figure it out for me? I'm stuck on the chord that's played during the first few notes.. *Many* thanks in advance for this.. If anyone knows a good site for sheet music/notation, please let me know! Happy Moo Year! br!an the moo-man - -- __ ____ __ ____ __ __ (__==__) /\ \ / \_\ / /\ / \ \ / |\ / /\ (oo) ( moo.) / \_\ / /\ |_| / / /| /\ \ \ / ||/ / / /-------\/ -' / /\ | |\ \/ /_/_ / / / \ \/ \ \ / |/ / / / | || br!an / \/ |_| \ __ \_\ /_/ / \ /\ \_\ / /| / / * ||----|| bloom / /\ ./_/ \ \ \/_/_\_\/ \ \ \/_// / | / / ^^ ^^ \ \/ |_| \ \_\ /_/\ \ \_\ /_/ /|_/ / brianb@intex.net \__/_/ \/_/ \_\/ \/_/ \_\/ \_\/ http://www.intex.net/bb/ Hidden DOS secret: add BUGS=OFF to your CONFIG.SYS ------------------------------ From: Brian Bloom Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 09:39:44 -0600 (CST) Subject: Diva anyone? Heigh-ho y'all! Simple, but strange request... I bought a nice Yamaha keyboard as a Christmas/Chanukah gift for my wife (and also for me ) I'm trying to teach myself how to play some of the songs that I like. I'm starting with "Sentimental Walk" from the Diva soundtrack. I'm able to get most of the melody, but I'm horrible with chords and having problems figuring out the left hand parts becuase of this. Does anyone have sheet music for this? If not, can someone with the album and a good ear figure it out for me? I'm stuck on the chord that's played during the first few notes.. *Many* thanks in advance for this.. If anyone knows a good site for sheet music/notation, please let me know! Happy Moo Year! br!an the moo-man - -- __ ____ __ ____ __ __ (__==__) /\ \ / \_\ / /\ / \ \ / |\ / /\ (oo) ( moo.) / \_\ / /\ |_| / / /| /\ \ \ / ||/ / / /-------\/ -' / /\ | |\ \/ /_/_ / / / \ \/ \ \ / |/ / / / | || br!an / \/ |_| \ __ \_\ /_/ / \ /\ \_\ / /| / / * ||----|| bloom / /\ ./_/ \ \ \/_/_\_\/ \ \ \/_// / | / / ^^ ^^ \ \/ |_| \ \_\ /_/\ \ \_\ /_/ /|_/ / brianb@intex.net \__/_/ \/_/ \_\/ \/_/ \_\/ \_\/ http://www.intex.net/bb/ "It was all that *and* a bag of chips" - radio commercial in Austin ------------------------------ From: Charley.Darbo@harpercollins.com (Charley Darbo) Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 13:03:43 -0500 Subject: categories I'd like to respond to Damon's request for help with the ectophiles' guide web page and the music categories. I am, of course, newly ectopian--though, as Vickie says, a long-time lurker--but this list of categories doesn't jibe with what I understand ectopia to be: - -Alternative Artists/Groups - -Contemporary Folk Artists/Groups - -Country Rock Arists/Groups - -Ethereal Artists/Groups - -Evocative/Ecletic Artists/Groups - - "Evocative/Eclectic" is the term we're using to describe artists who draw - - their style from a number of genres but don't fall solidly into one or - - another. These are people with a variety of influences, all of which shade - - their work. - -Experimental Artists/Groups - -Folk/Rock Artists/Groups - -Jazz Artists/Groups - -Pop (Mainstream) Artists/Groups - -Pop (Other) - -Progressive Artists/Groups - -Rock Groups/Artists - -Traditional Artists/Groups - -World Artists/Groups I mean, isn't trying to distinguish between "Contemporary Folk Artists/ Groups", "Country Rock Artists/Groups", and "Folk/Rock Artists/Groups" shaving it a bit thin? And who would be in "Pop (Other)"? And why would DCD be called "Traditional" rather than "Experimental" or "Evocative/Eclectic"? And why is everyone else "World"; what distinguishes Clannad from Zap Mama? I propose we simplify the categories and let the description of each artist/group carry the weight of accuracy. --charleydarbo ------------------------------ From: Kerry White Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 21:24:21 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Ars Poetica Hello, On Wed, 27 Dec 1995, Michael Doyle wrote: > Ars Poetica sounds like Love Spirals Downward vectored in the direction of > Rose Chronicles. The vocals are passionate, the music dreamy. The album But what happens when one is ignorant of both LSD and RC? I know this is horrendous but,"We're only enlisted men!" (Mind expanding drugs and alternate colas, what next, here? Eh, what?) KrW It was the least I could do! And never let it be said that I didn't do the least I could do. ------------------------------ From: Kerry White Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 16:07:56 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Diamanda Galas Hello, 1 DG track can be found at the Tape ProJect[sp?] on 1 of the Femme Music Samplers. KrW "Are you all sitty comftubole to squirm your botty? Then I'll begin.........." ------------------------------ From: "Joanna M. Phillips" Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 11:01:41 -0500 Subject: Listening moods... At 07:32 AM 12/27/95 -0500, ariel wrote: >On Dec 27, 1995 03:32:13, 'damon harper ' >wrote: (snip) >>listened to it that night a tiny bit, but i was in one of >>those moods where *anything* new is definitely going to sound bad, and >knew >>i was, so i stopped pretty quickly. > >Oh, I was wondering if I was the only one who had moods like that. ;> Heh: I buy CDs, don't like them on the first go 'round, give them to my housemate, *he* plays them, then I *like* them ::grin:: So now I have to go out and buy myself another copy of "The Keep" :D - -jo- aka the indecisive mouse... - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Joanna M. Phillips | "I'm tired of all this nonsense about beauty fleur@one.net | being only skin-deep. That's deep enough. What fleur@genie.com | do you want--an adorable pancreas?"--Jean Kerr ------------------------------ From: Ulrich Grepel Date: Wed, 27 Dec 95 20:57:58 +0100 Subject: Re: Hi I'm back... Hi! Matt wrote: > You can order the Live CD direct from Quinlan Road. If interested, I > can get the addresses for you. Thanks, but I've got the Quinlan Road mailing as well. Unfortunately, the CD they sell is the 6-track version, i.e. the same contents as on the 2CD Australian tour version. The 9-track version is a limited edition (about 500), promo only, issued to radio stations, was found for as little as $3, was sold for as much as >>$100. Different opportunities though ;-). Bye, Uli - -- "Ein 32-Bit-Betriebssystem fuer uns?" - "Wozu? Wir haben doch zwei mit 16." [IBM ad promoting OS/2] "Bah, ich habe 4 mit 8!" [comment from Sven Wachter] ------------------------------ From: pink Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 00:15:59 -0600 (CST) Subject: hello and happy holidays replying to a backlog of 2 weeks of email: POE. i was flipping through channels and came across the BOX the channel where you call in and pick a video to be played (cost a mere $2 for 3 minutes of entertainment). and some random band was on. well the singer was female and music more of the "alternative nation" type and i got curious. after all it seems that THE BOX plays an awfully lot of hip hop videos and not a lot of other stuff. ANYWAY. the video was atrocious, consisting of a woman (the lead singer) floating around and putting man in a jar. it was really poorly done, but the music kept my interest enough to make me want to know who it was. turns out it was POE with TRIGGER HAPPY JACK. well someone jsut mentioned them, and i can say that with my one half a song listen i was attracted. at first i thought it was garbage (the band not the substance) not knowing a lot about them (garbage not poe) or the band sleeper (another glam rock band in the tradition of eleastica, echobelly etc)., but i was wrong. i might have to keep an ear out for them.... speaking of GARBAGE. i listened to their album at one of them big name stores (blockborders or whatever the hell, their all owned by one or two big name corporations anyway...yes i am bitter, that is a whole 'nother story) and was suitably impressed. i might have to pick that up, erm after i pay off my visa bill...ha ha, like that is soon to happen. does everyone realize that the average american owes $4000 dollars to credit cards. someone told me that the other day. how sad is that. it makes me feel a little bit better with my debts, but not by much. and about that new TORI song. i am addicted. my friendly neighbor record store employee got a promo tape with the song repeated 3 times (the edit version) on both sides. i borrowed it and taped it and i now have it on continual loop in my car. taped over the ron sexmith tape i got at the sarah concert. ahem. it was for a good cause. he (my record store employee friend) just got three new tori promo singles as well. he got the CD single with just caught a lite sneeze (edit and album version) the other with the nursery rhyme stuff on it, and the third with the other songs (mr zebra and such). he said he was dissappointed with the nursery rhyme stuff (it remind him of tori just sitting down and winging something random on the piano, and recording it...which isn't all that bad in my opinion, look at THOUGHTS but he disagreed). and if it is anything like HUMPTY DUMPTY i think i might not be thoroughly overwhelmed. the third one was kinda a funny situation. he left after showing me the CD's and then came back yelling LOOK LOOK IRVIN I GOT IT!!!! and it was a tape that said BOYS FOR PELE. then he opened up the tape (in front of me) and said. "oh wait...this only has three songs on it...." for some reason then put the BOYS FOR PELE title on the outside but only put the CD single on the insides. he was really upset. ah well. they keep on tricking everyone with their promos.....i hope the album gets there soon. anyway he is taping everything for me, and i will give a full report on friday or sat when i get them...that is unless someone else out there gets them first. i mean i cannot continue to listen to the same song over and over and over again. as much as i want. MARY LOU LORD. i haven't heard her, but my friend who goes ga ga over JEWEL says that she is like JEWEL. BUT BETTER. ahem. now i am only a mild fan of jewel. her particular vocal inflections bother me to some degree, but i do enjoy her album now and then. so i am curious too about MARY LOU LORD. i mean i have heard a ton about her, especially how courtney love hates her and how she has apparently slept with both kurt cobain and the entire record industry (mary lou not courtney, though that may be true too, who am i to say?). but all this "hype" seems to shadow her music. anyone? And for those who are big COURTNEY LOVE fans,, i know that K records have a very peculiar relationship with ole courtney. after all there is the MARY LOU LORD thing and then there is LOIS, indie pop goddess. LOIS (also on K) used to be roomates with courtney way back when. and LOIS formed a band called COURNTEY LOVE which was released a few things via K (i think, i know for sure they are on the yoyo compilation that K released). LOIS even wrote a song about courtney called "HEY ANTOINETTE" the lyrics are kinda hard to make out, but one tends to stick out in my head "she doesn't care who looks up her dress, as she climbs the ladder of success...." hee hee gotta love that lois. speaking of indiepop goddesses. does anyone have the new san francisco seals album? i read a review somewhere that said it was fantastic and that it was a much improvement over nowhere, which i like a lot. anyway enough about me, and my sordid life, i mean you don't want to hear about the lovely christmas retail hell i underwent working both at my bookstore and poverty barn (whoops meant pottery barn, my how the mind works) and how i had to spend a zillion dollars on my boyfriend whose birthday is conveniently december 26. didn't think so. *sigh* happy holidays all, hope the new year is as wonderful as the look of joy on my boyfriends face was when he opened up his WIZARD OF OZ DELUXE SOUNTRACK AND COMPLETE MUSICAL SCORE BOX SET, with NEVER BEFORE SEEN PHOTOS. love and hugs irvin ps. um doug, did my happy gift project donation make it on time? hope so. ------------------------------ From: Paul Cohen Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 16:30:06 -0500 Subject: Re: Best of '95 >>Nan Vernon - Manta Ray >> >>Once more, whim used CD buy. And once again, the more I >>listen to it, the less I like it. > >Agreed again. Of course, I didn't like it much to begin with. ;X Oh do I disagree. I think this is one great album. ____Paul Cohen______________King of Prussia, PA___ ____pmcohen@netaxs.com___http://atonce.com/pmc/___ ------------------------------ From: Paul Cohen Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 16:30:08 -0500 Subject: Re: Re[2]: My Top 10 >> Only 28? By the gods, how do you survive? ;) I bought *125* discs this >> year, and would've bought more, if I didn't have to save up several hundred >> dollars for a tape recorder. > >Can't resist to ask: How many of them you played more than twice? Hmmm. I bought somewhere around 300 discs this year and I've listened to almost every one at least 5 times. But then, being a programmer, I get to listen to 'em at work. And before you ask, some people do drugs, I do CDs. ____Paul Cohen______________King of Prussia, PA___ ____pmcohen@netaxs.com___http://atonce.com/pmc/___ ------------------------------ From: Charley.Darbo@harpercollins.com (Charley Darbo) Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 18:26:55 -0500 Subject: Diamanda Kevin writes: "i've been considering investing (the albums are about $25 here) in some diamanda galas music... i haven't actually heard anything by her, but from descriptions she sounds intriguing. does anyone have any recommendations about where to start?" woj responds: "there are two ways you can approach diamanda. you can dive right into to her tortured litanies by finding either _vena cava_ or _the plague mass_ - both are diamanda at her most dramatic, horrific and striking. if you can handle these, you can handle anything she has done (or will do)," calling these "her most difficult work." Ariel writes, in response to Damon's "she *is* frightening!": "It's music! How scary can it be?" I think Diamanda works in two different media: In music and in theatre. Her theatre is, of course, very musical--as musical as her music is the- atrical--but there is a distinction. _Vena Cava_ is, to contradict Ariel, a _very_ scary piece of theatre. "Do You Take This Man?", from _The Sport- ing Life,_ is a darkly funny--camp-horrific, even--song. If, Kevin, you appreciate art that horrifies, enrages, and sickens while it educates (e.g. Karen Finley, J.G.Ballard, William S. Burroughs), and can look to your theatre for something larger than entertainment, then buy _The Plague Mass_. When you listen to it, listen to it: It's not background music. It's not pleasant; you won't bring it out at parties (un- less you can't get your guests to leave). But you will play it for certain friends, and you'll insist they listen to it, quietly, all the way through. Her _music,_ on the other hand, while not for everyone, requires less (but rewards equal) attention. _The Sporting Life,_ with JohnPaulJones's darkly bubbling bass and Diamanda's utterly unhinged, psychotic-drag-queen persona, is a priceless party album: The rage is there, but it's the rage of Lenny Bruce rather than the rage of Jeffrey Dahmer. (Where'd that come from?) Diamanda's other musical albums--_The Singer,_ _You Must Be Certain of the Devil_--share that quality, though _The Singer_ is a bit sadder and quieter, and there are some truly murderous moments on all of these. Let me summarize--i.e. generalize and oversimplifly: As Diamanda's rage at injustice (her chief targets are religious hypocrisy and the [as she sees it] genocide resulting from official inaction in the face of the AIDS epi- demic) grows, her humor recedes; and as she finds herself reduced to weari- ness and resignation, her voice takes on the bitter cackle of the powerless. At no point along the spectrum is she _pleasant,_ but she can be one of the most truly emotionally affecting artists out there, as well as one of the most fun. See her live, if you can. It'll help you to connect all her work--to visualize her spectrum more clearly. Hope this helps. Go buy them all. --charleydarbo ------------------------------ From: Yngve Hauge Date: Thu, 28 Dec 1995 14:10:32 +0100 (MET) Subject: CD purchases this Christmas and more Hi all ... This is not going to be a top 10 thingy cause I don't like to compare albums really. First of all I bought some albums the last couple of days worth mentioning and/or commenting : Velvet Belly - Window Tree I've bought this album a couple of times already but I liked it so much that I wanted to share it with other people. Definitly my favorite Norwegian group at the time. If you haven't seen my posts about them they sound like a mix between Cocteaus Cranes and Mazzy Star :) The BMG cover is terrible but I had to get it anyway ... cause I couldn't find the original one. Meredith Monk - Atlas, Facing North and Turtle Dreams Ok, I had this Meredith Monk kick just before christmas and I loved them. I had looked for something by her for a while when I looked through the Jazz section and found them!! Veruca Salt - American Thighs Where have I been the last couple of years? How could I really miss this album. Anyway - Soundgarden? go to bed :) Haven't heard it? give it a try ... Victoria Williams - Happy Come Home I really love this woman's music!! Don't need to say anything more about that :) Joan Osborne - Relish Tracy: Thanks for recommending this album... I love it Kristin Hersh - The Holy Single I'm a huge fan of her. say no more :) Yma Sumac - the spell of no comment on that one - haven't listened to it yet soundtrack - The Piano (christmas gift) the piano theme has haunted me for ages. *worship* brother ... Bel Canto - Birds Of Passage another album I once had but gave away to someone... Mette Hartmann - Swan Another norwegian artist and she is also from my birthtown Kristiansand as is Velvet Belly. She sounds much like Sade - need some more time on this album. At the moment it is kinda to commersial for me... Peyton Place - Self titled Yet another norwegian release I picked up in the nice price sectionSchizo-country if it tells you anything :) Bought it yesterday so I need some more time on it ... I'll probably like it more when I get to listen to it more ... Loreena McKennit - the mask and mirror I love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She is the only one who are able to make proper music to stuff by Shakespeare. October Project - Falling Further In Whatever people say - I love the album ... I did use 1600 Nkr on CDs yesterday and another 600 3 days before Christmas ... (2200 Nkr= close to $300} - I am kinda crazy I know that :) *FUZZYBLUE HUGS* Yngve ________________________________________________________________ Yngve Hauge | __ ___ __ | | _ www: http://ulke.himolde.no/~yngveh/ |-- | | | ||-- |_||| |_ Irc-nick: One Alien |__ |__ | |__|| | |||_|_ ------------------------------ From: ! Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 10:36:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Top 10 List and random responses > From: "Joseph Zitt" > Date: Wed, 27 Dec 1995 00:35:25 +0000 > Subject: Top Ten of 1995 > David Bowie: 1. Outside [...] > terrific concert. The first disc of a projected trilogy -- I am both > eagerly awaiting and dreading what might come next. (That said, I > think I *like* "The Buddha of Suburbia" better, and whished they'd > released it here.) What is this "Bhudda" thing, please? Is it related to the Hanif Kureishi novel of the same name?? Re: Meryn Cadell. I do think of her in very much the same category as (early) Jane Siberry, Laurie Anderson, etc. Perhaps she's not a "core" artist but I definitely think she belongs. doug __/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\ = ...nous devons cultiver notre jardin... = = INET:dmayowel@access.digex.net AOL:DougMhyphW Compu$erve:102432,355 = = visit the pathetic caverns! http://www.access.digex.net/~dmayowel = ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #320 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu