From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #265 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, 31 October 1995 Volume 02 : Number 265 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Sue Trowbridge Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 19:01:41 -0500 (EST) Subject: Upcoming musical guests... Along with the late-night listings, I'd also like to add a plug for the upcoming (Nov. 5) edition of VH1's "Four on the Floor," which airs 11:30 a.m. Sundays (ET), with a rebroadcast at 1:30 a.m. ET. Next week's guest is Brian Eno, so be sure to tune in!! LATE SHOW WITH DAVID LETTERMAN, CBS Tu 10/31 Take That We 11/1 UB40 Th 11/2 Rickie Lee Jones Fr 11/3 The Pretenders We 11/8 Green Day Fr 11/10 Bonnie Raitt and Bryan Adams THE TONIGHT SHOW WITH JAY LENO, NBC We 11/1 Dwight Yoakam Th 11/2 Bjork Fr 11/3 Tony Bennett Tu 11/7 Alan Jackson We 11/8 Jon Secada Th 11/9 Tom Jones LATE NIGHT WITH CONAN O'BRIEN, NBC We 11/1 G Love and Special Sauce Th 11/2 Ronnie Hawkins Mo 11/6 UB40 We 11/8 Cheap Trick Th 11/9 Brandy - --Sue Trowbridge trow@access.digex.net +++ trow@charm.net http://www.access.digex.net/~trow/ Album of the month: Heather Nova, OYSTER ------------------------------ From: petite piquet Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 11:53:45 +1100 (EST) Subject: Re: oh no another message from irvin On Mon, 30 Oct 1995, pink wrote: > pps. it is my 2nd anniversary tomorrow. which i realize isn't > that long in comparison to many of you ectos, but since i tend to ramble > A LOT, i thought i would throw that in. also that fact that for a gay > man, it pretty much translates into 20 years. (now if i were a lesbian > thats about 2 months....) *giggle* *giggle giggle* Falling off my chair laughing while reading this, getting funny looks from the two str8 guys I share this office room with... :) 2 years for str8 folx = 20 years for irvin = 2 months for meee.... *giggling some more* Uh. I was going to say something... oh yeah. The Beautiful South had, I think, one fairly major hit here (top 10) with the song 'A Little Time' (also known as 'Sherlyn can't quite remember the title of this song') a few years back, back when I used to still listen to commercial radio... I think I've still even got a cassette copy of 'Choke' lying around somewhere too. And if any IG fans out there want PAL copies of the new IG video 'Watershed', let me know because I just got my NTSC copy and am going to get it converted to PAL just as soon as I find someplace that does such, and will be reeling of a fair few copies for folks on the IG list who want 'em, so no probs to do more if anyone's interested... (I've also got a copy of the show that was aired in the UK - thanks Dave! - among other video things)... Anyway, cheers, all. :) sherlyn =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= piquet the cat - piquet@geko.com.au; aka Sherlyn Koo - sherlyn@geko.com.au "Well life has a funny way of sneaking up on you when you think everything's okay and everything's going right... And life has a funny way of helping you out when you think everything's gone wrong and everything blows up in your face..." - Alanis Morissette, "Ironic" ------------------------------ From: kerry white Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 19:21:04 -0600 (CST) Subject: from left field Hello, Apropo of nothing anyone has said, I was wondering what gas(petrol) prices are in the different quarters of ecto-land. Here in KS: Topeka: 1.08 Emporia: .99 Ottowa: .89 Syracuse,NY was: 1.29 all are for reg. Kerry n'Heel White KrW Time flies like the wind Fruit flies like the banana ------------------------------ From: David Dixon Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 17:45:06 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: oh no another message from irvin > Uh. I was going to say something... oh yeah. The Beautiful South had, > I think, one fairly major hit here (top 10) with the song 'A Little > Time' (also known as 'Sherlyn can't quite remember the title of this > song') a few years back, back when I used to still listen to commercial > radio... I think I've still even got a cassette copy of 'Choke' lying > around somewhere too. They've also had another hit in the US-- sort of. It was a cover of their song "Girlfriend" by... oh fudge, I can't remember now. Some ineffectual girlie singer like Stacey Q. Anyway, if it helps anyone else remember, the chorus goes: Girlfriend, how couldja let him treat you so bad? (uh, uh oh-oo-woh) Girlfriend, you know you were the best he ever had Yeah etc. By the way, my favorite house-cleaning CDs are, far and away, _Dots Will Echo_ by Dots Will Echo and _Oranges and Lemons_ by XTC (heck, just about any XTC album, but _OaL_ is their best, I think). It almost makes housecleaning fun. D^2 ------------------------------ From: basil@naxs.com (Brad Hutchinson) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:59:02 -0500 Subject: Ecto Friendly Radio Here in Southwest Virginia and Northeast Tennessee we've got WABN (92.7 FM) which plays ectoish music every night except Sunday from 10 PM until 2 AM and from 8 pm to 2 am on Friday and Saturday. I've heard Kate, Sarah (lots), Milla, Tori (lots), Sam Phillips, Jane Siberry, Victoria Williams, Heather Nova, Sinead O'Connor, the Cranberries, and such. (There are more but should I take up your time with all these names?) We've been lucky enough to import a dj with taste! Now if I could get him to play Happy herself. . . . I guess I should just give in and send him a cd. I've written to AG several times suggesting the station and the dj but not a reply has been heard. When my brother visited from Cincinnati (yeah, metropolis) he was shocked (happily) that we had a station that played "good" music. He just happened to pull in during PJ's show but hey, I let him think WABN is always like that. . . . How's that for a simple suggestion. brad Accuracy of observation is the equivalent of accuracy of thinking. - --Wallace Stevens brad hutchinson: bhutchin@pen.k12.va.us or Jill Sunderlin and brad basil@netaccess.naxs.com ------------------------------ From: basil@naxs.com (Brad Hutchinson) Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 20:59:13 -0500 Subject: Vampires and Well-Tempered Sentences It's fun to see my favorite grammar book show up-- deluxe transitive vampire . Now, the question is: What won't show up on ecto? And are there any well temepered ectophiles? Methinks I play too much in email this evening. brad Accuracy of observation is the equivalent of accuracy of thinking. - --Wallace Stevens brad hutchinson: bhutchin@pen.k12.va.us or Jill Sunderlin and brad basil@netaccess.naxs.com ------------------------------ From: "Stuart P. Myerburg" Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 21:39:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: oh no another message from irvin Irvin wrote: > > Uh. I was going to say something... oh yeah. The Beautiful South had, > > I think, one fairly major hit here (top 10) with the song 'A Little > > Time' (also known as 'Sherlyn can't quite remember the title of this > > song') a few years back, back when I used to still listen to commercial > > radio... I think I've still even got a cassette copy of 'Choke' lying > > around somewhere too. Just thought I'd throw in yet another Beautiful South pseudo-hit. They got quite a lot of airplay (in fact the only US airplay I've ever heard) on alternative stations with "We Are Each Other" from _0898_. Stuart ------------------------------ From: deluxe transitive vampire Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 23:16:29 -0500 Subject: the keep well, meredith's and my first throughts on the keep have been snapped up already, so i'll just repeat them here for you all: "jeffrey hanson" sez: >The new version of Temporary and Eternal is also pretty awesome. if the original version was zen, then this is nirvana. woo! VNozick@tribune.com sez: >I'm amazed at how much >Happy's style _hasn't_ changed since the early 80s...the early songs could fit >right in with anything she's recorded now. i think happy's deep voice has changed...somehow...since then, though i really can't explain just how. i tried to explain this to meredith over dinner, but i wasn't very successful. woj ------------------------------ From: MundoPax@aol.com Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 00:09:14 -0500 Subject: Welcome to me & us Hi all, After being turned onto so much good music through this list I can't contain myself and I just have to write. First, I'm amazed there are other Marcels on this list. I'm the only Marcel I know. (I'll try to squeeze a Neil into my name somehow.) My faves from Ectoland that I've heard since subscribing are: Sheila Chandra (found the Monsoon CD for $4), Heather Nova (studio and live), Frente, Spirit of The West (a great surprise), Mary Karlzen, Jewel, Joan Osborne, Victoria Williams, Alanis Morisette (found her two Canadian CD's cheap and although they're weak as song compilations, her voice is still impressive), etco., etco., (etcetera in Ectospeak). I haven't seen mention of the British duo, Everything But The Girl. They're incredible. If you don't know their music, get their most recent CD "Amplified Heart" and work your way backwards. They must have over 10 albums that I've seen, and they're all easy to listen to -- great vocals, lyrics, etco. I also haven't seen mention of Shakespeare's Sister. I found their CD "Hormonally Yours" used cheap and it was excellent listenin'. "BINNIE@delphi.com" mentioned Loop Guru, do you mean Loup Garou, the Zydeco band, or is there someone else with that name? In any case, I think I've said enough for my first written communication. I love the list, I feel kindred spirits out there and that feels pretty amazing. P.S. I just ordered The Keep from Aural and KB mentioned a possible Happy gig in NYC in the spring to coincide with the release of her new album. Yes! Ciao all. ------------------------------ From: kerry white Date: Mon, 30 Oct 1995 23:08:32 -0600 (CST) Subject: Selling on "Cyberspace" Hello, Just a quick note: Tuesday night PBS has a prog: FRONTLINE: "High Stakes in Cyberspace". About advertising on the net and demographic info-gathering. You may already know this stuff but.... Big Brother doesn't _have_ to watch when you'll *tell* him all he needs to know! KrW Time flies like the wind Fruit flies like the banana Kerry R White KTWU PBS TV zzkwhite@ktwu.wuacc.edu Topeka KS ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 00:22:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: Ofra Haza (no Enya) Well, there's been a few Ofra comments tossed about, so I guess I can try to tackle this one. (For the record, I have to say I really see no resemblence between Ofra Haza and Enya. If you like Enya, maybe you'll like Ofra. Then again, if you don't like Enya, [what's wrong with you?], then you may like Ofra anyway.) Are you ready Neile? Ofra Haza - Yemenite Songs This is the oldest of her discs I have. It's from 1985 on GlobeStyle records, though it was re-released with a slightly different cover as 50 Gates of Wisdom (I think that's the title, and I think it's on Shanachie). There's a nice bio of Ofra in this disc, which I'll abreviate. She was born in 1957 in Israel. She started drawing attention at age 13, winning aclaim for children's music in 1979 and 80, and winning Israel wide polls as best female artist throughout the early 80's. When this disc came out, she had recorded at least 13 albums and appeared in two films! Says she recorded a rock album in 1986 called "Breaking Days", which I've never seen. Anyway, Yemenite Songs, as it's title implies, is all traditional music. It's my favorite of her albums, and everyone I've given it too has fallen in love with it. (well, i only give it to people inclined to like it, but still...) It's a mix of catchy vocals and incredible, complex percussion workouts. I find it to be a very catchy and compelling album. It contains a song called "Galbi", which was released as a 12" single that ran up the dance charts. This led to a snippet of the song being used in M/A/R/R/S sample happy hit "Pump Up The Volume". As a result, she did an intriguing album entitled Shaday (Sire, 1988). It's most notable for taking some of the songs from Yemenite Songs and recasting them as electronic dance mixes. I still prefer the original versions, but it's kind of fun to hear them given this treatment. (You can certainly dance to the originals, since the Middle Eastern precussion that drives it is much livelier than the drum machines added later.) This disc also has a number of English language songs, which are only passably interesting. There in more of a Euro-disco mode, or maybe bland faceless diva mode. It's this style that the Just Say Bleh discs pick from. Just Say Mao has a dance happy re-mix of a song from Shaday (which was overproduced before they re-mixed it). Then came desert wind (Sire/Warner Bros, 1989). This album was a definite step in the wrong direction. Almost all mediocre pop songs, with very little of the original style that made her interesting. There are still a few Hebrew songs, which are the definite standout tracks on the album, and a moving version of the Kaddish. There's also one Thomas Dolby produced track, which is better than most of the other poppy songs on the disc, but still not all that interesting. I probably would have given up on her at that point, but 1992's Kirya was a move back to a small folk label (Shanachie). Plus, it was produced by Don Was, who does one of his standard brilliant resurections. He takes someone who has wandered astray and reaquaints them with there roots, and the results are excellent. There may even be fewer Hebrew songs than on the previous album, but the songs in English are a huge step above any of her previous English language output. There are some really moving songs, as well as dancy and catchy ones. It's an fine blending of her roots with a more American folky sound. This album sounded good from the first listen, but it wasn't until repeated plays that I found many of the songs had crept into my consciousness. Recommendations: Start with Yemenite Songs/50 Gates of Wisdom, particularly if your into world music. Get Kirya if folky works for you. Shaday is good as a bit of a novelty, and it's fun to go with YS. Skip Desert Winds unless you become a really big fan. Neal ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 01:12:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: Wasn't that Mr. Badalamenti? I just saw the film Nadja, and in between it's odd soundtrack of My Bloody Valentine and Portishead songs (none of which really seemed to work with the movie), there was instrumental music and sounds that sounded like dead ringers for Angelo Badalamenti's work David Lynch had his name across the top as Producer. But in the credits, there's a special thanks to Mr. B, but no musical credits. I was really confused, since I was sure it was him. Nadja is a vampire movie (yeah, if it's not a serial killer movie right now, then it must be a vampire movie) that had me laughing throughout. It's most notable for whoever that was playing the title character (a woman who looked most stunning bald or wearing a hood), and the largest pixels I've ever seen on a movie screen. When it was done, I could only assume that the people involved intended to make a serious vampire movie, but half way through, realized it wasn't working and just gave up. Whatever the motives, I was thoroughly entertained, in the way that a clever, well filmed, weird and completely nonsensical movie can entertain. (My friends were less pleased, as they had hoped to be at least a little spooked.) I hate to give any real details of a movie away, but I have a bunch of favorite lines that I'll stick far away, so only those who don't care can read: "Face it Jim, She's a zombie" (Shades of Star Trek!) "He's coming now. I have sent him a psychic fax." - say in your best Romanian accent. "Blood is like chewing gum to them." Neal ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 01:16:35 -0500 (EST) Subject: ecto challenge of the day (for woj) Open to anyone of course, but I know where I'm expecting my answers from :) The Greater Folklore Society of Washington is putting on a concert of Scandinavian Fiddle Music featuring Andrea Hoag and Bruce Sagan. Anyone know anything about them? They will be performing on fiddle, button accordion, nyckelharpa and hardingfele. Now, we've had our nyckelharpa education from Milla's band, but what's a hardingfele? (Nyckelharpa is a Swedish fiddle with keys, or keyed fiddle if you like. I'm inclined to go now just to see what it is. Neal ------------------------------ From: morpheus@shadow.net Date: Tue, 31 Oct 95 01:45:29 Subject: [none] subscribe ------------------------------ From: "Joseph Zitt" Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 00:59:05 +0000 Subject: Re: a few things On 29 Oct 95 at 15:25, Neile Graham wrote: > Wow. I couldn't disagree more. I hate Jennifer Warnes' versions of > Cohen's songs--I have very little tolerance for rough things that I love > being polished over and that's what her versions are for me. She's got a > great Mariah Carey-like honeyed voice that takes the edges off everything > and the style of her singing undoes the songs for me--makes them > soul-less, stylized, suddenly mainstream pop. Too carefully "crafted". Hmmm.... I think what makes the album for me is not so much the singing (which I like, but then I like Mariah Carey) but the production, from the German broadcast and Stevie Ray Vaughan guitar on "First We Take Manhattan" on out. My favorite moment on it (other than the opening of that track) is "Joan of Arc", where Cohen's gravelly voice comes in and plays off of hers. Another interesting album related anecdote: A few years back, several of my coworkers and I were discussing our music collections. We had such different tastes (Country, Newage, Folk, Ecto) that it turned out that there was only one album that every one of us owned: "Famous Blue Raincoat"! > They need to be rough and slightly awkward, which is why I like Tori's > "Famous Blue Raincoat" and Suzanne Vega's "The Story of Isaac". And of > course, Cohen's own versions. I (as well as much of the rest of his early fans) got turned on to his music by Judy Collins's versions, which seem quite smooth and confident. [Argh: I just found out it *is* possible to tell when one's record of "Music for Airports" is stuck. But it goes well with the environment: in the midst of one of those incredible deals that happens on the *.forsale newsgroups, I just got a 50" projection TV (cost me all of $250!). I'm watching a videotape I made some years back of 2 hours of clouds passing (zoomed in as close as I could) and listening to ambient recordings. Aaah...] - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ==== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Organizer, SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List \|| |/Joe Zitt's Home Page\| ------------------------------ From: "Joseph Zitt" Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 00:59:12 +0000 Subject: Re: Kate Jacobs (actually no Kate Jacobs content) On 29 Oct 95 at 23:33, Neal Copperman wrote: > Um, so what's wrong with Ofra Haza? As long as you didn't buy Desert > Winds, I'd think you'd be doing ok. Really? "Desert Wind" is the Ofra I listen to most -- or did before my CDs disappeared... "Slave Dream" (the name may be off) is, to my ears, her finest track, and "Ya Ba Ye" her most fun. I didn't care for "Kirya" much. "Shaday" is quite good, although some of the pop doesn't quite work. "Yemenite Songs" (aka "Fifty Gates of Wisdom") is pretty authentic non-pop. I appreciate it, but don't listen to it much. ... and then there's the skidillions of earlier albums of faceless Europop that (mercifully) didn't get released in the States... (I keep being tempted to give the new Paula Abdul a spin, just to check out the track with Ofra. (BTW, is Paula Abdul in the Guide? I'd put her in there, if just for "Blowing Kisses in the Wind", which is a near-perfect song, recording, and video, and very much Kate-influenced to my ears/eyes.)) - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ==== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Organizer, SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List \|| |/Joe Zitt's Home Page\| ------------------------------ From: petite piquet Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 18:54:04 +1100 (EST) Subject: Famous Blue Raincoat On Tue, 31 Oct 1995, Joseph Zitt wrote: > Hmmm.... I think what makes the album for me is not so much the > singing (which I like, but then I like Mariah Carey) but the > production, from the German broadcast and Stevie Ray Vaughan guitar > on "First We Take Manhattan" on out. My favorite moment on it (other > than the opening of that track) is "Joan of Arc", where Cohen's > gravelly voice comes in and plays off of hers. I'd like to also put my vote in on the side of 'Famous Blue Raincoat'... I think this is one of my favourite albums of all time. Ever. Although I admit, I never quite did get around to really hearing anything by Leonard Cohen (I'm an Impulse Buyer Extraordinaire, so if there's anything else that catches my eye as I walk into the record store, I tend to walk out with that instead)... but one day I will... one day soon... But I think Jennifer Warnes has some amazingly uplifting moments on that album, that just make my close my eyes and tip my head back, time after time, especially on the slower ballads like the title track - "And Jaaaaaaaane came by, with a lock of your hair..." And on "Song Of Bernadette" (the second-to-last line - "Come on let me hooooooold youuuu....") - and lots of other places... :) But then again, maybe I'm just a sucker for high sweet held notes. :) I had a really spiffy signoff line, but my mind's gone completely blank, dammit. :) sherlyn =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= piquet the cat - piquet@geko.com.au; aka Sherlyn Koo - sherlyn@geko.com.au "Well life has a funny way of sneaking up on you when you think everything's okay and everything's going right... And life has a funny way of helping you out when you think everything's gone wrong and everything blows up in your face..." - Alanis Morissette, "Ironic" ------------------------------ From: Markku Kolkka Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 12:55:57 +0200 Subject: Re: ecto challenge of the day (for woj) At 01.16 31.10.95 -0500, Neal wrote: >They will be performing on fiddle, button accordion, nyckelharpa and >hardingfele. Now, we've had our nyckelharpa education from Milla's band, >but what's a hardingfele? A Norvegian fiddle, almost like a standard violin except for the resonance strings under the fingerboard. - -- Markku Kolkka mk59200@cc.tut.fi ------------------------------ From: chris@cortex.uchc.edu (Chris Sampson) Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 10:01:18 -0500 Subject: Re: a few things >> I have very little tolerance for rough things that I love >> being polished over and that's what her versions are for me. She's got a >> great Mariah Carey-like honeyed voice that takes the edges off everything >> and the style of her singing undoes the songs for me--makes them >> soul-less, stylized, suddenly mainstream pop. Too carefully "crafted". An interesting point of view with which I generally agree, but, when we stop and consider that LC, himself loves the album, we have to wonder if we're not jumping to conclusions about the music being rendered soul-less with the polish.... Though I *do* prefer the originals... except I cant' stand those few bars of the refrain in the middle of First We Take Manhattan...I like R.E.M.'s version much better. >production, from the German broadcast and Stevie Ray Vaughan guitar >on "First We Take Manhattan" on out. My favorite moment on it (other >than the opening of that track) is "Joan of Arc", where Cohen's >gravelly voice comes in and plays off of hers. I love the live version of Joan of Arc.... Stevie's on Guitar???? I gotta listen to that again. >> They need to be rough and slightly awkward, which is why I like Tori's >> "Famous Blue Raincoat" and Suzanne Vega's "The Story of Isaac". And of >> course, Cohen's own versions. Heresy it may be, but I've lost my adoration for Tori... I'll have to listen to her version of FBR again... LC also respects Suzanne Vega (and she him) check out his web page... at...uhh http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/cpage/Leonard_Cohen/ logging off (but note the .sig) | chris@cortex.uchc.edu (Chris Sampson) /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\| | http://www3.uchc.edu/~chris/ /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/| |/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\| |"It looks like freedom but it feels like death. | | | It's something in between I guess. | Leonard Cohen | | It's closing time." | | ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #265 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu