From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #255 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Saturday, 21 October 1995 Volume 02 : Number 255 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: hyams@alpha.nsula.edu Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:47:40 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: female bassists hey ya'll, this doesn't matter, but ... I believe I met Kim Gordon in New Orleans before one of my gigs... (cafe' brazil) Richard Heil (Hell) went on before me that night and he had intro'd me to his girlfriend named Kim Gordon... she was super quiet and I wondered if it was the same girl... I'm told it was though anyone know? (I participated/performed in a music conference called cutting edge in new orleans. Richard was a speaker and I hung out with him a little... talk about horror stories from the music business!!! They live in New Yawk) collier - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tschuess! {8-> "..music that is ready to eat." DUBMISSIVE 'ZINE collier hyams "..interesting reggae-rock sound."SHANACHIE RECORDS hyams@alpha.nsula.edu "..great feeling for reggae/world music." BANGZINE INTERNATIONAL DUB CORPS album entitled "WONDER WHERE YOU ARE" available from: CMC@1-800-882-4262/BIG EASY DISTRIBUTION@1-800-322-4439/TOWER/BLOCKBUSTER/etc. ------------------------------ From: Anthony Kosky Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:10:46 -0700 Subject: Re: ecto-digest V2 #254 Tamar wrote: >Chris Sampson and Collier Hyams brought up King Crimson. I went to two of >their shows in June and I'll see them again in November in New Haven. They're >great! The band is now Robert Fripp, Bill Bruford, Tony Levin, Adrian Belew, >Pat Mastellotto (another drummer), and Trey Gunn (plays the stick or Warr or >whatever it is--very cool). If you haven't heard Thrak yet, go do it! Most >of what they're playing on the tour is from Thrak with a few songs from the >Discipline era thrown in and only one or two really old things. I thought I'd put in a comment that there is also a mini-album out called Vrooom which is sort of a demos album for Thrak produced on Fripp's independent label. I personly like Vrooom better, since it seems less produced and polished, and has more immediate sort of energy to it if that makes sense. (which is rather difficult to imagine, since Thrak is an incredibly energetic album in itself). I saw the show at the Tower in Philly and it was amazing. The thing that's great about seeing the current King Crimson line up is not the individual talent of these guys, though the idea of putting Adrian Belew, Tony Levin and Bill (best-drummer-in-known-universe) Bruford all on one stage at the same time quite boggles my mind. (I'm not a big Fripp fan, outside his KC stuff and the things he did with Andy Summers). The thing that's great about it is that these guys really play well together, with as much energy, inventiveness, originality and general coolness as they ever had, if not more so. This is a very good cure for anyone who, like me, has suffered dissilusionment at the calculated and boring music produced by various other reconstitutions of my favorite bands from the past (eg. Pink Floyd, Yes). - -Anthony ------------------------------ From: neilg@sfu.ca (Neil K. Guy) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:39:41 -0700 Subject: Re: many At 12:56 AM on 10/19/95, Damon Harper wrote: >stevev wrote: >>Last night Doug, Neile, Jim, and I had dinner with Brian Bloom >>and a friend of his from Texas whose name I can't remember (God >>help him, the poor guy wants to work for Microsoft). Then we >>went to the Tower Records just a block away (how convenient) to >>experience an encounter with EWS. > >his name was fred... wasn't angela along too? neil and i got together with >them up here in vancouver on sunday :) it was so good to see the mooster >again! Yes indeedy! It was great to see br!an again and meet his friends Fred and Angela. A shame they managed to turn up on a traditional Vancouver rainy day. Brian shoulda held off his birthday a bit - the rain should stop by, oh, February or so. >actually when brian was here i managed to limit myself to just *one* >purchase, mainly because i couldn't remember at the time much of what i >wanted, and because i disgusted myself so much with my last spending spree. Hm. Fear and self-loathing in EWS? I'm proud to say I didn't buy anything at all, despite some fearsomely tempting CDs. Actually, I'll stop my boasting - Ecto is gonna sound like a self-help department or something soon. "My name is Neil, and I am a CD junkie." - Neil K. - -- Neil K. Guy * neilg@sfu.ca * tela@tela.bc.ca 49N 16' 123W 7' * Vancouver, BC, Canada ------------------------------ From: neilg@sfu.ca (Neil K. Guy) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 17:41:13 -0700 Subject: Re: lots and lots of At 9:47 PM on 10/15/95, THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE wrote: >[As an admittedly Ameri-centric aside, does the new Saturn commercial make >anyone else barf? "Everyone... this is Julie's first new car!" Gag-o-rama. >It's not like she's having a freakin' baby or something. Gack.] But isn't that the point of advertising? To trivialize every human experience and reduce it down to a marketable commodity? Like there's an ad on local radio for a cellular telephone company which begins with some blah-blah about "Freedom" and then proceeds to say something like "For some people freedom is the freedom to have the weekend off. For other people it's about the freedom to choose your cellular phone company..." or something equally repulsive like that. The *weekend off*?! Well, gee I always thought freedom was about not getting your face kicked in by jackbooted Nazis or having some say in the political process or a thousand and one other ideas that have nothing to do with choosing between Commodity A and Commodity B. Guess that was naive of me to think that... And on a different note: >Doesn't Rykodisc have a new Paolo Esquivel retrospective out? I heard a >review of it on Fresh Air last week... some pretty scary music has come out >of that guy's brain. :) I was told by the guy at the record shop, who seemed reasonably knowledgeable, that the reason they didn't have any Esquivel in the store at all (aside from the compilations) was because he (Esquivel) was switching labels and so some stuff had been taken off the market. Dunno if it's true or not. Maybe it was an excuse to try to get me to buy what they had in stock. :) Jeffy wrote: > If something I write gets republished on the web, I'm pretty much > flattered. But I want to know that it's been done! > > Am I the only ectophile who feels this way? (abstract ramble on) Well copyright issues on the Web, and the Internet in general, are a pretty thorny area. The notion of intellectual property has always been a highly contested one, but it becomes even more of a problem with electronic dissemination of ideas simply because it's just so *easy* to duplicate something a zillion times. In the Middle Ages or something it wasn't much of an issue, since everything had to be copied laboriously by hand. But now you can simply pop a tape into a deck and press REC-PLAY or shove something on a photocopier and press PRINT or email a picture to thousands of addresses in moments. I generally try to respect copyright issues of other peoples' work, particularly since I know how violated I feel when someone else rips off my stuff. A few years ago I put together a parody of the Loblaws' grocery store "Green" product line when I was living in Ontario. I printed up a few of them and more or less forgot about it. But I was pretty grumpity to find out a few months later that some guy had printed up T-shirts with my design on them and was flogging them on the streets of Toronto. Not only that but he'd added a completely stupid additional line of text in the wrong font, so not only was he ripping off my idea *and* making money off it, but he was diminishing it by modifying the thing. Now of course the irony of the entire situation was that my original piece was an intentional rip-off of Loblaw International's intellectual property. Though I'd constructed it carefully to hopefully fit in the "parody" escape clause of copyright. I luuuuuvvv irony. :) (even more ironic - a friend of mine got a copy of a - er - well, pirated software collection and I noticed that it contained a copy of some my work. So if I'd pirated the DAT I would be pirating from myself - I kinda like that. Very postmodern!) Anyway, I tend to think about these things for those reasons. And so, for instance, pretty well all of the graphics I put on my Web pages are my own original work. I'm sort of resigned to the fact that people will steal stuff and use them elsewhere (it's happened already) but that's how things are. It's kinda weird on the Web, of course, because when you download something there's an actual copy of the document in question residing on your system for more than a moment. In fact, with disk caches, the copy can stay there for a long time. And there's a real clash between the free for all copyleft tradition of the Internet and respecting the rights other people have to their work. And as the network becomes the primary means for economic development in the world, these problems are going to get all the more severe... Oh, well. (abstract ramble off) - Neil K. - -- Neil K. Guy * neilg@sfu.ca * tela@tela.bc.ca 49N 16' 123W 7' * Vancouver, BC, Canada ------------------------------ From: piquet the cat Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 11:19:39 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: ecto-digest V2 #254 On Thu, 19 Oct 1995, Anthony Kosky wrote: > I thought I'd put in a comment that there is also a mini-album out > called Vrooom which is sort of a demos album for Thrak produced on > Fripp's independent label. I personly like Vrooom better, since it Vrooom... Thrak... Fripp... Snarksnarksnark (dammit! :) ! O god, I need *more* coffee... and information on the Chieftains... can anyone give me a quick rundown so that I know something about them and p'raps maybe even have heard some of their music before I go see them in concert? Fil, did you get your tix to see Sarah in Wellington yet? (*boing kazing!, watching you fly around the room... :) *) O and hurrah, I finally got my order in for the new IG album and video - apparently the store in Atlanta where I get most of my stuff from is now receiving upwards of 500 emails, and is shipping out between 200-250 orders from the 'Net per week! No *wonder* he took so long to get back to me (or rather, no wonder he was so apologetic when I caved in and called after waiting a week to hear back from him)... my officemate Diana is of the opinion that I should quit my job here and go work there - I think she might just want me outta here so that she can have my Mac... *grin* Still not quite making sense, (even for me - and Sage - okay, so I admit I'm nuts, but you have to admit that you love me for it... :) sherlyn =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= piquet the cat - piquet@geko.com.au; aka Sherlyn Koo - sherlyn@geko.com.au "Well life has a funny way of sneaking up on you when you think everything's okay and everything's going right... And life has a funny way of helping you out when you think everything's gone wrong and everything blows up in your face..." - Alanis Morissette, "Ironic" ------------------------------ From: THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 22:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Subject: dear god, sarah style Hi! Dunno if any of you have picked up _Testimonial Dinner_, the XTC tribute album yet. woj got it today, and all I've listened to is Sarah McLachlan's cover of "Dear God". Wow. No wonder Andy Partridge said it's better than the original. It kicks the butt of the original and then some. Pardon me while I go listen to it again. :) +===========================================================================+ |Meredith Tarr meth@delphi.com| |Boonton, NJ USA http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/methpg.html| +===========================================================================+ | "Warum hast du gestupid driven?!?" -- woj | +===========================================================================+ ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 22:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Freedom On Thu, 19 Oct 1995, Neil K. Guy wrote: > But isn't that the point of advertising? To trivialize every human > experience and reduce it down to a marketable commodity? Like there's an ad > on local radio for a cellular telephone company which begins with some > blah-blah about "Freedom" and then proceeds to say something like "For some > people freedom is the freedom to have the weekend off. For other people > it's about the freedom to choose your cellular phone company..." or > something equally repulsive like that. Neil, and anyone else that feels the above is ridiculous, you should rush out and find a copy of Negativeland's "Free" disc. The first song riffs brilliantly off of the above concept. It's called "Freedom's Waiting", and contains their usual sonic collage of found sounds, all about freedom. These range from George Bush talking about Freedom in relation to Desert Storm (or is that Dessert Storm?) to various other definitions and abuses of the word. Throughout, there is a vaguely familiar jingle that keeps popping up and getting cut off... Freeeeedommmm, Freeeeedommm, Freeeeedomm's Waiting, Freeeedomm's Waiting, Freeeedom's waiting for you, at your 7-11. Excellent! Neal ------------------------------ From: lakrahn@iw.net (Laurel Krahn) Date: Thu, 19 Oct 1995 23:37:03 -0500 Subject: West Coast Tour - Flash Girls A pleasant reminder for folks not on the Flash Girls mailing list... they're touring the West Coast in the next week or two. Showdates follow. For more information on the Flash Girls, check out their Web Page at http://www.player.org/pub/flash/flash.html or signal-to-noise at http://www.apocalypse.org/pub/signal-to-noise/. Or write to me (lakrahn@imho.net) if you have specific questions or lack web access. Oh. An aside: The CD of the Flash Girls first album, The Return of Pansy Smith and Violet Jones has sold out. The copies currently in stores are all there is. The second album, Maurice and I, is close to selling out. No word on when/if there'll be another pressing. Definitely fodder for both leadheads and ectophiles, so thought you'd all want to know. Take your friends to see the Flash Girls for a pleasant nights entertainment. :) Call the venues for further details. The latest showdates are as follows... >West Coast Tour '95 with Annwn > > Sunday, October 22: John Henry's > Eugene, Oregon > (510-342-3358) > > Monday, October 23: Dublin Pub > Portland, Oregon > (503-297-2889) > > Tuesday, October 24: Old Vic, $2 cover > 731 Fourth Street > Santa Rosa, California > (707-571-7555) > > Wednesday, October 25: Stoddard's > Sunnyvale, California > (408-733-7824) > Awaiting final confirmation > > Thursday, October 26: Fogg's, No cover > 303 Bryant at Dana Mountain View > Mountain View, California. (415-390-9696) > > Friday, October 27: Live on the radio! > KFJC 89.7 FM's Fractured Fairy Tails with Rocket J. Squirrel > 9:20 AM on KFJC 89.7 FM, San Francisco. > > Saturday, October 28: San Geronimo Valley Cultural Center, $8 cover > 6350 Sir Francis Drake Blvd > Marin, California > (415-488-9385) > > Sunday, October 29: Phoenix, $3 cover > 325 South First (near San Carlos) > San Jose, California > (408-279-2272) > > Monday, October 30: Elbo Room, $4 cover > 647 Valencia > San Francisco, California > (415-552-7788) > "Everyone should come in costume." > > Tuesday, October 31, 8 PM: Palace of Fine Arts, $12-$35 through BASS > San Francisco, California > (510-762-2277) > Part of Neil Gaiman's Guardian Angel Spoken Word Tour. > More information available. > >Updated Thursday, October 19, 1995 Best, Laurel (lakrahn@imho.net) Krahn, Webspinner Virtual Home: http://www.apocalypse.org/pub/u/lakrahn/ Flash Girls list: http://www.apocalypse.org/pub/signal-to-noise/ Seeking webmaster or other position in Mpls or South Dakota... ------------------------------ From: Dan Stark Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 03:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: dear god, sarah style On Thu, 19 Oct 1995, THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE wrote: > Dunno if any of you have picked up _Testimonial Dinner_, the XTC tribute album > yet. woj got it today, and all I've listened to is Sarah McLachlan's cover of > "Dear God". > > Wow. > > No wonder Andy Partridge said it's better than the original. It kicks the butt > of the original and then some. The first time I heard it, it only sounded vaguely familiar, then suddenly it hit me. Yeah, it's very good. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- DAN STARK dstark@freenet.npiec.on.ca ~\\|//~ St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada -(o o)- - -------------------------------------------o000o--(_)--o000o---------------- ------------------------------ From: SBI!200HUBBARD!AMYD@lmbinc.attmail.com Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 08:37:00 +0000 Subject: BLESSED EWS!!!!! FOR THOSE ABOUT TO ROCK!!! King Crimson and Jane Siberry IN Chicago, IN the month of November.... open wallet, remove credit card.... YES!!!! :-))))))))))))) I MUST SEE CRIMSO THIS TIME!!!! last time i whined and bitched because tickets went on sale and sold out before i even knew they were hitting Chicago. I saw/met Belew last year on his solo tour and was completely blown away. The man is a fabulous if not underrated guitar player who is also a very approachable, humble guy. Last time I saw Crimson live was for their last group effort "Three of a Perfect Pair" and was awestruck from the might-as-well-be-nosebleed seats I sat in that night. Fripp sits on a "throne" (well.. chair, actually) and shows little or no emotion - but plays with virtuosity and intensity. Bruford, the man wails!!! I've read interviews where he comes off as being really arrogant (there was one recently published on "Notes from the Edge" the Yes fanlist) but I am willing to cut him some slack because he is such an innovative musician. and Tony Levin.. what can I say... the man is up there in the musical stratosphere - a true God of Bass. THRAK ranks up there with MY most popular house cleaning music - although one feels as if they've had an aerobic workout after listening to the first 3 tracks on the CD. If you love odd time signatures - like 13/8 ;-) you must pick up that CD... ++++end of commercial++++ oh yeah.. before I forget... Jethro Tull is going to be in Chicago too - the week of Thanksgiving.... don't know if I can afford to go to that one but I'm almost willing to try - just to see Ian Anderson again! 8%8%8%8%8%8%8%8%8%8%8%8%8%8%8%8%8%8%8%8%8%8%8%8% JANE FANS.... MJM... anyone else???... I plan on buying a ticket for the show... anyone want to go in on reserving a table at the Park West? It's something like $25 (possibly a bit more) but divided over several people that isn't all that bad - and you have a guaranteed "seat". I've reserved them before and it's worked out well. Other shows where I didn't reserve a table (like one year I saw Joe Jackson there) at the Park West, you end up standing at the back of the club near the bar, or standing in the balcony section until someone abandons their table (it can be kind of a pain) let me know via e-mail at my RedGtrGirl@aol.com address. * * * * * * * I am one very excited music fan!!!! (with a very very high level of credit debt :-/ oh well - you only live once!) Amy **************************************** my other e-mail addresses: RedGtrGirl@aol.com - and - Selkie@netcom.com ------------------------------ From: "jeffrey hanson" Date: Fri, 20 Oct 95 09:34:43 cdt Subject: New CD Purchases Well, Just had to post about some new purchases I thought might be of interest to ecto. First off, based on ecto-recommendations, I picked up the new Emmylou Harris. Very nice--sounds a lot like the mellower side of Maria McKee mixed with Joan Osborne. Think this one will really grow on me. Speaking of Maria McKee--she's the main reason I bought one of the other purchases--Bette Middler's Bette of Roses. The other reason being that my Mom told me it's my Dad's favorite album--this blows me away. My Dad is known for liking no one but Johnny HOrton and Patsy Cline--actually he's gotten better over the last few years--Iris DeMent and some cool others have been added. He even sat through the whole Tori Amos Little Earthquakes video and seemed to enjoy it. WIll wonders never cease? But my mother had told me that Maria McKee had written two of the songs on Bette of Roses, Cheryl Wheeler another. I was anxious to hear them, and was quite surprised to see that one of the songs Maria penned is the single--To Deserve You--a rather AOR song, but good nonetheless. The other song I think I would definitely prefer to hear Maria sing, but hte album on a whole is quite good--though not exactly ecto-fodder. Thirdly, I bought the new kd lang. The art work I find to be uninspiring and doesn't seem to match the material at all--the art works kind of a hip-hop mish mash of pop culture--the songs are much like those on ingenue, but don't seem to have as much punch. The lyrics seem to be her most frank. Will have to listen to this a few more times before I give a final judgment--right now I'll just have to say nice--but not particularly exciting. Jeff Hanson ------------------------------ From: VNozick@tribune.com Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 10:13:27 -0700 Subject: Jane Siberry live in Chicago Jane Siberry is playing live in Chicago Weds., Nov. 8 at the Park West. Anyone interested in going as a group? ==> Valerie ------------------------------ From: David Dixon Date: Fri, 20 Oct 1995 21:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Jonatha Brooke and The Story in Vancouver On Thu, 19 Oct 1995, Ariane Behrend wrote: > Unfortunately we missed the opening act, Kevin Gilbert, who was on > his second-to-last song as we walked in at 9 (!)... I thought he was > supposed to *start* then, but apparently not. He was kind of like a male Ani > DiFranco - just him and his guitar, and a drummer who was hand drumming, > shaking some sort of egg-like percussion toy and playing bass drum and > cymbal with his feet, all at the same time... very cool! Don't know if he > was from here or touring with them or what... May try to check out his > album... I think Jonatha said it was called 'Thud'?? _Thud_ is the name of his new album, which I rather enjoy. It certainly doesnt' break any ground musically, but it's a pleasant enough album, with some rather incisive lyrics. I don't know if Jennifer Albert is still on ecto (hello, Jennifer?), since she can tell you much more about Mr. Gilbert. What I can tell you is that, while this is his first "solo" album, he was previously a part of the short-lived project Toy Matinee, along with producer/songwriter Patrick Leonard; together they put out a good eponymous pop album about four years ago, and then dissolved. (Leonard's gone on to form another duo, 3rd Matinee, with Richard Page, the lead singer of Mr. Mister). D^2 ------------------------------ From: Dirk Kastens Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 15:47:02 +0100 (NFT) Subject: Re: Jonatha Brooke and The Story in Vancouver On Fri, 20 Oct 1995, David Dixon wrote: > Mr. Gilbert. What I can tell you is that, while this is his first "solo" > album, he was previously a part of the short-lived project Toy Matinee, Hey, I KNEW this name. I love Toy Matinee's album so I hope that KG's album will be available in Europe. > along with producer/songwriter Patrick Leonard; together they put out a good > eponymous pop album about four years ago, and then dissolved. (Leonard's > gone on to form another duo, 3rd Matinee, with Richard Page, the lead > singer of Mr. Mister). Wow, that's even more interesting. I love Mr Mister, too. Do they have an album out, already? Dirk Kastens _______________Dirk.Kastens@rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE Universitaet Osnabrueck Phone: +49/541/969-2347 (work) Rechenzentrum Fax: +49/541/969-2470 (work) Albrechtstr. 28 Phone: +49/541/258182 (private) 49069 Osnabrueck Germany ------------------------------ From: kerry white Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 14:49:48 -0500 (CDT) Subject: off-line -phile Hello, This last Aug I went 'back east' for my yearly visit. While there I found Warpaint + Equipoise. I needed them on tape to hear them and went to an old friend's to dub them. He got hooked and I let him dub for himself. Weeks later I called him to tell him that they were 'on loan' until he bought his own. He had 4 cd's at that time. I called him about The Keep. I later called him and he said that he had ordered 2 each at 3 cd stores, he would pick up 1 and make them be aware of Happy + her music. A bit of a guerilla tactic, but... I guess that he's not afraid to change the circumstances of the world. ;) KrW "They said it couldn't be done but sometimes that doesn't work either" ------------------------------ From: JJH969@aol.com Date: Sat, 21 Oct 1995 18:59:58 -0400 Subject: Jane Siberry In N.Y. 10/23 Ectorians, I read in the N.Y. Press that Jane would be appearing Mon. 10/23 At Fez Under Time Cafe. 380 Lafayette St @ Great Jones Street N.Y.C. No time was posted. Ringing them up to confirm might not be a bad bet. (1-212-533-2680) I hope local Ectorians get this in time. Fez in one of the best venues in the city, small, intimate space, decent sound, personable help, etc. I'm unfortunately not going to get to go myself, but I hope to get the low-down if any of you get to go. I have seen Paula Cole there. She tore the place up. I also got to see Elliot Sharp's blues thang "Terreplane" there. I'm typing this up for the second time due to a slip o' the delete key but I get the feeling that if any of you get to go, you'll be glad I did. ( assuming it's not old news to you ) Eat The Music ! John >> JJH969@aol.com ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #255 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu