From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #249 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, 13 October 1995 Volume 02 : Number 249 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Colford Date: Thu, 12 Oct 1995 20:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: The woman bass player Yep, she toured with Tears for Fears on their last album. Very striking. She sang the Oleta Adams part in concert and is a mean bass player! -------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Colford | Reading Public Library | Reading, Massachusetts colford@noble.mass.edu | *North of Boston Library Exchange* -------------------------------------------------------------------- On Thu, 12 Oct 1995, Stuart P. Myerburg wrote: > Yes, I just discovered this as well. Her full name is Gail Ann Dorsey. > > Stuart > > ___________________________________________________________________________ > Stuart Myerburg stuart@law.emory.edu > Information Technology Services labspm@emory.edu > Hugh F. MacMillan Law Library http://www.law.emory.edu/~stuart > ___________________________________________________________________________ > > > On Thu, 12 Oct 1995, Brad Hutchinson wrote: > > > According to a review of the Bowie concert, the female bass player with the > > great voice has the name of Gail Ann. Now to see if I forget it again! > > > > brad > > > > Accuracy of observation is the equivalent of accuracy of thinking. > > --Wallace Stevens > > > > bhutchin@pen.k12.va.us > > > > > > > ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 00:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: more Bowie Last night I saw Seven (which I wasn't that impressed with, but this isn't a movie review, so never mind). About a minute into the closing credits I realized I was hearing the new Bowie sound. Is that song taken from his album, or is it special for Seven? Given that Seven is about a serial killer, does it relate at all to the Bowie album? Does it offer illumination in any way? Does anyone care? Neal ------------------------------ From: Mike Matthews Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 00:15:07 -0400 Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** ******* Wolfgang Drotschmann (drotschm@eos.informatik.uni-bonn.de) ******** *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Wolfgang Drotschmann Thu October 13 1966 Waage Brian Bloom Tue October 14 1969 spam Erik N. Johnson Tue October 16 1962 Handle with Care Kim Klouda Tue October 17 1967 Libra Dave Steiner Sat October 24 1959 Scorpio Jessica Koeppel Wed October 29 1969 Scorpio Kathy Clark Sat November 01 1969 Bunnies Katie Dougiamas Sat November 02 1974 Scorpio Anthony Horan Fri November 04 1966 Positive Michael Sullivan Mon November 05 1962 Scorpio Jens Brage Sun November 08 1964 Scorpio Rising Lynn Garrett Sat November 08 1958 Scorpio Sam Murgie Fri November 08 1957 Scorpio Ken Latta Sun November 11 1951 Scorpio Michael Doyle Wed November 12 1969 Scorpio - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: *kittywaaaaaail* Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 20:02:09 +1300 (NZDT) Subject: All About Eve Hi folks! :) I was recently lent a CD of All About Eve's "Scarlet and Other Stories", and have listened to it over and over. Wonderful stuff. :) :) Can anyone tell me whether they've released any other albums, and if so, what are they called and where can I get them? :) Thanks! Urs :) - -- Urs Stafford (stafford_u@ix.wcc.govt.nz, whiskers@mu.sans.vuw.ac.nz) Mail all replies to stafford_u@ix.wcc.govt.nz please! [qlc] ------------------------------ From: Dirk Kastens Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 09:44:02 +0100 (NFT) Subject: Re: The woman bass player On Fri, 13 Oct 1995, piquet the cat wrote: > On Thu, 12 Oct 1995, Brad Hutchinson wrote: > > > According to a review of the Bowie concert, the female bass player with the > > great voice has the name of Gail Ann. Now to see if I forget it again! > > Yow, yow, yow! Gail Ann Dorsey!!!! (Well, I don't see who *else* it > could be. :) ) Gail Ann Dorsey? As far as I remember, she plays on the new Tears For Fears album. Did I mention how EXCELLENT this album is? Dirk Kastens _______________Dirk.Kastens@rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE Universitaet Osnabrueck Phone: +49/541/969-2347 (work) Rechenzentrum Fax: +49/541/969-2470 (work) Albrechtstr. 28 Phone: +49/541/258182 (private) 49069 Osnabrueck Germany ------------------------------ From: mfgr@bart.nl (Marcel Rijs) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 12:01:13 -0100 Subject: Re: Ultravox Hi, Michael Pearce writes: >anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) writes, > >>- - Anthony "The new Ultravox album is *awful*" Horan > >That's a shame. Is Midge Ure still chief writer/leader? They were one of my >favorite Europop bands of the early '80s and I am sorry I never got to see >them perform live. Are there any taped concerts from those days available? Nope, Midge Ure left Ultravox years ago to start up a not very successful solo-career. He released three albums, "The gift", "Answers to nothing" and "Pure", with "Answers" being the most interesting one musically, not even for Brother & Sister, the duet with Kate Bush, which IMO is one of the weaker tracks, but mostly for all the non-single tracks. I haven't heard much from this "new" Ultravox and don't even know if there are any original members in it. (Would like to know this.) The only officially released concert (I think) is "Ultravox - BBC Radio 1 live in Concert 1981", which features 7 tracks from the classic "Vienna" album. This CD was released in 1992 on Windsong Records, cat.no. WINCD 028. I bought it in England and do not know if it's available elsewhere. I like this live album, although I don't play it too often. After 15 years it's hard to give up the studio version... :-) Regards, Marcel F G Rijs "Conan the librarian" CAN NOW BE REACHED AT: mfgr@bart.nl and 100276.2176@compuserve.com ****************************************************************************** "Tori Amos Covered" -- e-mail now to order! "Kate Bush Covered" -- e-mail now to participate! ------------------------------ From: bridgesm@logica.co.uk (Martin G Bridges) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 12:00:37 +0100 Subject: Alanis in London Hi folks, Just to let you know that Alanis Morissette is playing a show at the Shepherd's Bush Empire in London on Monday 23rd October. Apparently she has already played a low-key show at the Subterrania club, and on the back of that she's moved up a venue size or three. The album is getting a lot of push (and decent reviews) over here. "You Oughta Know" has been out as a single but didn't do all that much, I don't think. Anyway, if any UK 'philes are going to the gig, let me know coz I'm contemplating going myself. Cheers, Martin *------------------------------------------------------------------------* * Martin G Bridges | All opinions expressed are | Disqualified from * * Logica UK Ltd. | mine, but may be shared! | the human race * * Stephenson House | | for shoving. * * 75 Hampstead Rd. |------------------------------|----------------------* * LONDON NW1 2PL | Email bridgesm@logica.co.uk |Tel. +44 171 637 9111 * * U.K. | WWW http://www.logica.com/ |Fax. +44 171 344 3633 * *------------------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ From: bridgesm@logica.co.uk (Martin G Bridges) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 11:57:48 +0100 Subject: Re: The woman bass player Hi folks, piquet wrote: >On Thu, 12 Oct 1995, Brad Hutchinson wrote: > >> According to a review of the Bowie concert, the female bass player with the >> great voice has the name of Gail Ann. Now to see if I forget it again! > >Yow, yow, yow! Gail Ann Dorsey!!!! (Well, I don't see who *else* it >could be. :) ) > >She toured with the Indigo Girls a little while back and, apart from >playing what I'm sure must have been killer bass, sang backup on at >least one song - a cover of Gladys Knight and the Pips' "Midnight >Train To Georgia".... *sigh*... > yep, she played with the IGs when I saw em in London on that tour. DIdn't play on all the songs, just popped up occasionally. Damned excellent she was. BTW, does anyone know if the IG live album just released (in the US only dammit) contains songs recorded that night in London? I know they were taping the show for video release, but wondered if instead it was just coming out audio. Cheers, Martin *------------------------------------------------------------------------* * Martin G Bridges | All opinions expressed are | Disqualified from * * Logica UK Ltd. | mine, but may be shared! | the human race * * Stephenson House | | for shoving. * * 75 Hampstead Rd. |------------------------------|----------------------* * LONDON NW1 2PL | Email bridgesm@logica.co.uk |Tel. +44 171 637 9111 * * U.K. | WWW http://www.logica.com/ |Fax. +44 171 344 3633 * *------------------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ From: lcliffor@bbn.com Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 09:39:42 -0400 Subject: Re: more Bowie (and Diamanda!) Yes - I believe it's The Heart's Filthy Lesson (I have trouble remembering that title), which is on the new album. Interesting - 'Seven' starts off with NIN and ends with Bowie. On another note, I saw Diamanda Galas live for the first time last night at Mama Kin in Boston. Wow. I've been wanting to see her for years but could never find anyone willing to go with me. Now I'd see her again in a heartbeat even if I went alone. She did mostly 'The Singer' type material. Later! Laura ------------------------------ From: Date: 13 Oct 95 10:03:49 EDT Subject: guitar arrangements of HAPPY Someone asked a few days ago (every time I'm away, I accumulate digests and sometimes end of never reading them...) about guitar tabs for HAPPY. Well, I did one for "The Chase" not long ago. Send me private mail if you are interested and I'll send it to you. - -mjm ------------------------------ From: apg@ethereal.ru (Paul Antonov) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 17:40:40 +0300 Subject: some impressions (delurking) Hi, just returned back to Moscow from a short trip to Wash. DC, and got some impressions ... - - picked up Ambient vol.1 and first listened to it while driving thru Skyline Drive (Shenandoah national park) at 2am. It is quite nice but a little bit unusual, especially for Happy :) - - bought "Vene Carve" by Diamanda Galas (I've never heard her albums before). God, it is _really_, really scary! I thought I knew what "dark music" is, but I didn't expected _that much_. These cries almost freeze your heart ... "Love Secret Domain" by Coil (which I also bought) sounded very optimistic after that ;-) Does anyone else have had similar DG experiences, or it's just my own perception ?? - -- Paul ------------------------------ From: "jessica" Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 12:00:44 -0700 Subject: Re: some impressions On Oct 13, 5:40pm, Paul Antonov wrote: > - bought "Vene Carve" by Diamanda Galas (I've never heard her albums before). > God, it is _really_, really scary! I thought I knew what "dark music" is, > but I didn't expected _that much_. These cries almost freeze your heart ... > "Love Secret Domain" by Coil (which I also bought) sounded very optimistic > after that ;-) > > Does anyone else have had similar DG experiences, or it's just my own > perception ?? me! me! I listened to it in the car the day I bought it driving home from work. it was terrifying. absolutely definitely the scariest stuff I've ever heard. --jessica ------------------------------ From: "Stuart P. Myerburg" Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 15:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: more Bowie Neal wondered: > Last night I saw Seven (which I wasn't that impressed with, but this > isn't a movie review, so never mind). About a minute into the closing > credits I realized I was hearing the new Bowie sound. Is that song taken > from his album, or is it special for Seven? As someone already mentioned, it's "The Heart's Filthy Lesson" from _Outside_. > Given that Seven is about a serial killer, does it relate at all to the > Bowie album? Does it offer illumination in any way? Not really. From what I've heard, the _Seven_ screenplay was written by a former Tower employee, totally independently of Bowie's concept. However, both NIN's "Closer" and Bowie's song worked well with the movie. Even though neither one was written specifically for the film, the lyrics of those songs could apply to much of what happened in _Seven_. > Does anyone care? I do. :-) Stuart ___________________________________________________________________________ Stuart Myerburg stuart@law.emory.edu Information Technology Services labspm@emory.edu Hugh F. MacMillan Law Library http://www.law.emory.edu/~stuart ___________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: neilg@sfu.ca (Neil K.) Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 13:15:56 -0700 Subject: Re: The woman bass player Hm. "Woman" bass player. Does that mean that bassists are, by default, male unless specified otherwise? :) Not meant to be a flame - just a random musing... - Neil K. - -- Neil K. Guy * neilg@sfu.ca * tela@tela.bc.ca 49N 16' 123W 7' * Vancouver, BC, Canada ------------------------------ From: Dan Stark Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 18:19:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Wrecking Ball Hi, This is a brief article that appeared in the Canadian music trade mag, 'The Record' this week, FYI.... EMMYLOU HARRIS- Wrecking Ball This is the most unusual album in this distinguished artist's long career. The country traditionalist has, in a single adventurous move, hired Daniel Lanois as a producer (and guitarist, vaocalist, mandolin player, bassist and songwriter). They have set her silvery, frail voice against a melancholy soundscape that bears no resemblance to anything Nashville has ever touched. Ineffable sadness has rarely sounded so affecting. Neil Young wrote (and sings harmony on) the title track, U2 drummer Larry Mullen plays on nine of the 12 cuts, and other key participants include Malcolm Burn, Steve Earle, Lucinda Williams and The McGarrigle Sisters. And who could guess that Jimi Hendrix's 'May This be Love' could be performed like this? (end) - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- DAN STARK ***NOTE*** dstark@freenet.npiec.on.ca ~\\|//~ NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada -(o o)- NOW IN EFFECT! - --------------------------------------------o000o--(_)--o000o---------------- ------------------------------ From: "JOHN SHEPARD (CALAMARI)" Date: Fri, 13 Oct 1995 18:25:35 -0500 Subject: Re: ecto-digest V2 #248 My mail.cpbx.net account is goofy... try doing an nslookup on mail.cpbx.net five times consecutively and you may see why. :-( From: lakrahn@iw.net (Laurel Krahn) > >Sorry to clutter the list with this, but I know a number of ectophiles have >links to my homepage. It's moved, and Iway hasn't really provided a link to >point to it's new location. :-( > >This seemed the fastest way to get the word out to everyone... > >So Sage, squid, Neil, et al... > >the new URL for my homepage (Laurel's Virtual Home) is: > >http://www.apocalypse.org/pub/u/lakrahn/index.html Consider it done. >Also of note to ectophiles, signal-to-noise, the Flash Girls Mailing list, >has a webpage that I maintain. It's at: > >http://www.apocalypse.org/pub/signal-to-noise/ > >Good news is these pages shouldn't move for quite awhile. > >I hope to have my resume and other new stuff on my webpage by the end of the >week. Finally. :-) At CPBX we're currently looking for someone for the web staff, preferably with lots of Phjotoshop anand Illuystrator experience... but Sioux Falls is quite a commute from Colum,bus, Indiana. :-) >Best, > >Laurel (lakrahn@imho.net) Krahn, Webspinner >Virtual Home: http://www.apocalypse.org/pub/u/lakrahn/ >Flash Girls list: http://www.apocalypse.org/pub/signal-to-noise/ >Seeking webmaster or other position in Mpls or South Dakota... From: jeffy@wam.umd.edu > >>Sorry to clutter the list with this, but I know a number of ectophiles have >>links to my homepage. It's moved, and Iway hasn't really provided a link to >>point to it's new location. :-( >> >>This seemed the fastest way to get the word out to everyone... >> >>So Sage, squid, Neil, et al... > >Hmmm. Seeing squid and the web mentioned in the same pseudo-breath reminds >me of something I've been meaning to post about for a couple of weeks. > >Not too long ago, someone inadvertantly brought to my attention the fact >that a review I wrote of a DC Sarah show was somewhere on the web. Being >made very curious by this, I tracked it down, and found the review, >originally written for ecto, on squid's web page. Uh oh. >Now, I'm not particularly upset that my stuff is being reposted. After >all, the same review is also available through the Web via the ecto >archives, wherever they are. > >I think I was more annoyed that the web page squid put it on says something >to the effect that the review was "submitted by" me, and frankly, that's >just not true. And in re-reading the review, it's clearly angled at ecto >readers, particularly in the long description of Paula Cole's opening set. I knew it was aimed at Ecto, and I confess that half the concert reviews on the page are "swiped" from FTE and probably Ecto as well, without even the knowledge of the originators of those posts. Meanwhile, there's several intentionally submitted concert reviews I haven't gotten a chance to archive. The whole concert page is a disaster, and since m,oving to a system with a quota, it's a single-page internally-linked disaster at that. "Submitted by" is semi-accurate; it doesn't exactly say where it was submitted _to_. "Written by" would be a better choice, but better yet would be if I just took down the stuff that wasn' t specifically sent for the page... if I could remember which was which. It would almost be easier for me to just take the page completely down and start over fresh, and only post the ones I'm specifically given permission to. >If something I write gets republished on the web, I'm pretty much >flattered. But I want to know that it's been done! > >Am I the only ectophile who feels this way? > >Jeff >(who, many months ago, was cruising through a web site in scandanavia on >kiting, and was pretty well shocked to see a scan he did of a kite he made >used as artwork on an intro page!) What can one say, you have a high theft rate. :-) I for one am a big believer in the spirit of openness the I nternet was supposedly built upon. Working for an Internet provider who keeps trying to build proprietary, local stuff, I'm often devil's advocate in discussions. So I keep hoping I'll be pleasantly surprised and see something I've drawn stuck on wuarchive or something, and find out by myself completely by chance - the artist equivalent of hearing oneself on the radio. But far more likely is that I'll find someone's web page with an archive of "Squid's Greatest Hits" featuring titles such as " Alright now LOOK" and "Forgive me for what I'm about to do." Non-fte'ers, don't even _ask._ But anyway, I'm used to Internet's open spirit - anything posted anywhere can appear anywhere. I don't suppose McElwaine gave Kibo permission to archive his posts, and Uwe Vandrei _ certainly_ didn't give me permission to archive his. But then, I suppose USENET is a different beast than private mailing lists. I should have at least given fair warning: any Sarah concert reviews posted anywhere in cyberspace are fair game for my page, or some such. An example of this is Notes from the Edge; the messagesa are archived and put on a web page, but all the contributors know their words may be read by any number of websurfers. This summer I took down some of the Sarah pictures on my page, mostly scans of Sarah's appearance on the first Lifebeat. Before taking anything down, I emailed FTE and Nettwerk, and gave an itemized list of everything on my page to see what was a copyright problem and what wasn't; for completeness sake I listed "concert reviews" and the archived Vandrei post. Nettwerk said the pics which originated with them (via BBS) were ok, and the Lifebeat pics were questionable; several fte'ers commented the concert reviews were OK if I had permission from the original posters. Next time I'll pay attention. :-/ From: Neal Copperman > >On Thu, 12 Oct 1995 jeffy@wam.umd.edu wrote: > >> >> If something I write gets republished on the web, I'm pretty much >> flattered. But I want to know that it's been done! >> >> Am I the only ectophile who feels this way? >> > >I agree completely on this. I'll almost always say "sure, go ahead" when >someone asks me if they can take something I wrote, but there are times >when things are written for a specific audience, and applying it to >another audience doesn't make as much sense. If I'm motivated, I'd prefer >to rewrite the comments. If I'm not, I'd ask them to. But either way >you should have that option. > >(Then again, it does seem to be an intrinsic part of the cut-and-paste, >forward at will, internet community to have little respect for the >"rights" of the original writer. I'm certainly guilty of this too. Many >times have I forwarded portions of letters without asking. Is it just I suppose it isn't as bad as accidentally responding publicly on a mailing list to a private message... how many times have I been gyuilty of this? >the fact that the medium so lends itself to that sort of activity? I'd >certainly never cut a piece out of a snailmail letter and send it to >someone else. ) I receive 15 pieces of email a day and send on an average two or three. If I did that with snail-mail I'd go broke on stamps. I suppose if I did have that kind of snail-mail volume, and was carrying on that many conversations with that many people, I'd probably end up snipping pieces of one letter to answer someone else's question. It wouldn't be popular. In any case, snailmail is a completely different beast. >> Jeff >> (who, many months ago, was cruising through a web site in scandanavia on >> kiting, and was pretty well shocked to see a scan he did of a kite he made >> used as artwork on an intro page!) >> > >Did you at least get credit for that? > >NEal From: neilg@sfu.ca (Neil K.) > >At 1:38 PM on 10/12/95, Laurel Krahn wrote: > >>the new URL for my homepage (Laurel's Virtual Home) is: > > Well I'll shamelessly take this opportunity to plug my list of Ectophile >home pages once again! :) Here's the URL: > > http://www.tela.bc.ca/ecto/ectophiles/ > > If you have a Web page and want it listed, drop me a line! (or if you >don't have space for a Web page and want somewhere to put a small one) > > - Neil K. > >- -- > Neil K. Guy * neilg@sfu.ca * tela@tela.bc.ca > 49N 16' 123W 7' * Vancouver, BC, Canada Well, since I'm kinda-sorta-maybe being called to task for mine, perhaps I should have it listed. http://www.iupui.edu/~jrshepar/ The Sarah page is something of a mess but it's at: http://www.iupui.edu/~jrshepar/sarah1.html From: veronica sawyer > >hi there ectophellows, > >On Thu, 12 Oct 1995, Neal Copperman wrote: > >> On Thu, 12 Oct 1995 jeffy@wam.umd.edu wrote: >> >> > If something I write gets republished on the web, I'm pretty much >> > flattered. But I want to know that it's been done! >> > >> > Am I the only ectophile who feels this way? >> >> I agree completely on this. I'll almost always say "sure, go ahead" when >> someone asks me if they can take something I wrote, but there are times >> when things are written for a specific audience, and applying it to >> another audience doesn't make as much sense. If I'm motivated, I'd prefer > >when i've been asked i've always given permission, though i have Neal's >feeling that sometimes my comments won't be too clear to anyone but >the original intended audience. Ecto is very similar in many ways to fte, although ecto seems slightly more mature, the average age of the members seems just a bit higher, and ecto does not suffer from flamewars. Nonetheless, there are many occasions of crossposting between the two, and posts written in one will usually translate well to the other, in my opinion. I didn't think an ecto-post would look particularly odd in a page full of fte-posts, since that page's intended audience is the fte/ecto crowd anyway. I _did_ know that people who _aren't_ on either fte or ecto would not get some of the stuff. >> (Then again, it does seem to be an intrinsic part of the cut-and-paste, >> forward at will, internet community to have little respect for the >> "rights" of the original writer. I'm certainly guilty of this too. Many >> times have I forwarded portions of letters without asking. Is it just >> the fact that the medium so lends itself to that sort of activity? > >i've seen things go two ways. my private email gets treated as such... i >don't forward parts of it without permission, and i expect the other >person to do mostly likewise. i'm not perfect, so i've messed up at >times (& felt very bad about it), and if something i write is >particularly private i'll be sure to ask that it not be repeated, >because i don't know up front how the other person handles such >things. but basically i expect private email to remain mostly private. > >public messages, on the other hand... i wouldn't expect things >i post in public, here for instance, to be immune to forwarding. and >i don't even expect to be notified or asked for permission, though >(hats off to Neile) i'm pleased when it happens. > >and in the middle? lately i fond out that some of my pseudo-poetic >grammarcidal trancematic blankversical ramblings (on an irc type of >thing) had been saved and sent in private email. i was flattered, >and i don't mind, but it was a little eerie. i'm not sure what >my expectations were in this situation. hmm. I noticed on an Amiga homepage the other day a series of Workbench screen-grabs, people bragging about how k00l their system looks: ultra-high-res (1280x1024xsixteenmillion) with various newicon sets and docks and screenhacks and backgrounds etc. Anyway, in about half of these, they had an IRC client window open, thus freezing for all eternity about 30 lines of IRC stuff. I wondered if the other folks on IRC when that shot was taken were ever aware of that candid snapshot. >> > Jeff >> > (who, many months ago, was cruising through a web site in scandanavia on >> > kiting, and was pretty well shocked to see a scan he did of a kite he made >> > used as artwork on an intro page!) >> >> Did you at least get credit for that? > >i'd be shocked too, but if it was credited i don't think i'd mind.. I was arrogant to post people's reviews without permission, but at least I think I got everyone's name right... >> NEal > > kisses hugs & love, > VERonica From: "jessica" > >On Oct 12, 6:01pm, Neal Copperman wrote: > >> On Thu, 12 Oct 1995 jeffy@wam.umd.edu wrote: > >> > If something I write gets republished on the web, I'm pretty much >> > flattered. But I want to know that it's been done! >> > >> > Am I the only ectophile who feels this way? > >> I agree completely on this. > >Me too - I like to be asked. Someone wrote me email a few days ago >to ask if he could printout some of my drawing and put them on his >office wall. I hadn't even gotten around to putting up a notice to >ask that people do that yet. This guy just felt it was the right >thing to do and I think so too and really appreciated it that he asked. >Of _course_ I didn't mind and I was very flattered. But it was definitely >important to me that I was asked. I never know who's got links to me, or who has stuff of mine on their pages. Hell, I don't even remember what I listed as keywords when I submitted my url to the search engines! I have no idea whose searches I show up on, or what the search results say. There are people who've swiped my drawings as backgrounds for Windows. I've heard fro,mone such person who did this, but like shareware software, for every person who registers there's ten more who use it. Now, anyone who swipes anything of mine and doesn't put my name on it will incur the Wrath of Squid and find a core file in their mailbox. Anyone caught blackmailing me by posting a _ private_ email from me will find _several_ core files in their mailbox, depending on how much private stuff was in the letter. Of course, there's also fair use arguments; if someone were, for instance, to post one of the various political spouts I've made to, say, talk.abortion, for the explicit purpose of pissing people off at me... there's nothing preventing them from it, and by all rights should not be, but they won't be on my Christmas list anymore. >> (Then again, it does seem to be an intrinsic part of the cut-and-paste, >> forward at will, internet community to have little respect for the >> "rights" of the original writer. I'm certainly guilty of this too. Many >> times have I forwarded portions of letters without asking. Is it just >> the fact that the medium so lends itself to that sort of activity? I'd >> certainly never cut a piece out of a snailmail letter and send it to >> someone else. ) > >Actually, I think it's less that the medium lends itself towards the >activity of cutting/pasting/forwarding, than it is that the medium >lends itself to the distribution of a lot more information of more >different types. > >If email didn't exist, and a friend wrote me a snail mail letter >and included some photocopies of funny comics he'd seen and thought i'd >appreciate, and some quotes he'd thought I'd like, and some pointers to >articles that are interesting, I might forward the new information i'd gotten >on to others I knew that I thought might like it - be it in-person, by phone, >or via another letter. If wouldn't be likely to share the personal >aspects of the letter with anyone but people of SO status in my life. > >I often forward via email things i've received electronically that >fall into those sorts of categories, but I rarely forward information of >a more personal (or possibly copyrighted) nature and when I do so >i'm very aware that i'm doing so - and generally have asked permission >first or am sending it to an SO. A lot of us are known to copy/paste pieces of FAQs from the Web into mailing lists or USENET. And _everyone_ scans the Dvorak column and emails it to the whole office, it seems. As for the Dilbert comics on the bulletin board... >I certainly do agree that the medium makes it a lot easier to send >out information you shoudln't neccesaarily without thinking - but >if you think about it, how many of the things you've forwarded in the >past have been personal (to you or the original sender)? 'Swhat they get for posting personal stuff to fte. :-) I ask for a lot of the abuse I get, frankly. >Or do you really find that the ease of the medium makes you less >likely to consider the difference in the types of content .. it all does >tend to look the same on some level after a while. > > --jessica In my mailbox, the difference between a public and private message is the cc: line and whether it contains a mailing list name or not. Just my squid-ink for the week. :-) (this is about the only mailinglist traffic I've sent since Saturday thanks to the weird mail problems!) | http://www.iupui.edu/~jrshepar | IUPU Columbus, Indiana | | John Shepard jrshepar@indyvax.iupui.edu | A1200 with 850M Seagate | | Internet is too important to be taken seriously. | Artist, writer, net.loon | | Amiga owner & Sarah McLachlan fan: God help me! | in the making. | |"Sympathy's wasted on my hollow shell." -Sarah M. | Fuck James Exon hard. | ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #249 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu