From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #242 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, 5 October 1995 Volume 02 : Number 242 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: David Dixon Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 14:40:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Tidbits On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE wrote: > musicians on the entire album: Ani and Andy the drummer! She plays every- > thing from bass to "thumb piano", whatever the hell that is. And live, even A thumb piano, also known as a kalimba (among other names, depending on the region), is an instrument of African origin that consists of a series of thin metal rods fastened down on one end and plucked on the other with the thumbs. You'd recognize one instantly if you heard one. D^2 ------------------------------ From: David Dixon Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 14:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: EWS On Tue, 3 Oct 1995, Cathy Guetzlaff wrote: > Henryk Gorecki, _Symphony No. 3_: And a big thanks to Jeffy for identifying > this one for us. For those of you who don't recognize the name, > this is what has been playing at Sarah's concerts before she comes > out. This should be heard while sitting very very still with one's > eyes closed... The South Bank Show (broadcast on Bravo) did a show about Gorecki a couple years ago, when this recording of his 3rd symphony ("Symphony of Sorrowful Songs") was riding high on the British pop charts (I think it got to #3). It played the entire symphony, with Dawn Upshaw on vocals, with commentary by Gorecki. He lives in one of the most polluted cities in Poland (I think it's Lodz, but I'm not sure), which is about 30-40 miles from Auschwitz. The camp was the primary inspiration for the piece; in fact, the second movement uses the text of a poem found written in a child's hand on one of the camp walls. The special was pretty intense, as the music was accompanied by some pretty grotesque images from the concentration camps, the Ethiopian famine, the war in Bosnia, etc. Most of it seemed pretty unnecessary to me, but it sure put a knot in my stomach. Anyway, it's a beautiful piece of music, to be sure. If you like that kind of melancholy modern orchestral music, you might check out Arvo Part from Estonia, or any more of the so-called "spiritual minimalists" (Tavener, Adams, Somei Satoh, etc.) D^2 ------------------------------ From: "Gregory N Bossert" Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 17:56:10 -0700 Subject: Re: ecto-digest V2 #240 Jason wonders: > the system I'm hosting my lists from, webcom, is chucking lists in a > couple of weeks and I need a place to move mine. Most of the systems > I've seen are either quite pricey, or charge by list, which would mean > chucking some of the lower traffic (and more ectoish) ones I have. So > does anywhere have a suggestion where I could move them to? and Ariel adds: > I was wondering about this one too. Which is to say, does anyone know a > reasonably priced system that allows lists? providing a site through which people can run ecto-style mailing lists is one of the main goals of the ecto.org domain. in fact, there are already a number of loosely associated lists running through rutgers. it may still be a few weeks before the ecto server is up and running -- i'm trying to arrange support from Silicon Graphics (in the form of a hefty host machine). in the meanwhile, anyone who has a list (or an idea for one) that needs a home should write me with details (name, size, intent/topic, etc.). mailing lists on ecto will use my MaLT (Mailing List Toolkit) software, which will let a list owner manage the list remotely (via the Web or email) -- i'm not going to attempt to moderate other people's lists. (i suspect that woj and Keith Abbott can attest to my willingness to stay out of their faces with the lists currently hosted at rutgers...) i *will* step in if i become aware of illegal or grossly rude use of the facilities i'm providing. MaLT also gets you digests, Web site/archive, list statistics, etc. it all doesn't exactly quite work yet, but it will real soon now ;) ecto.org is dedicated to the, er, spirit (;) of original, creator-owned, independently produced and distributed intellectual works: i can think of no better example Happy and her music (i'm hoping for some sort of an AG presence on the site.) and, um, evocative (:-) music is without doubt the inspiration and main focus. projects already planned include Klaus' HRE, a copy of the enormous KaTe opus, "The Garden", etc. my own pet project is a database/discography of all the musicians, producers, and such who work with and inspire our favorite artists without ever getting top billing -- finally, a place to find out who the heck Bill Dillon, John Fryer, and Jane Scarpantoni are and what they have done with who ;) and all those lapsed, lamented groups, like Arson Garden and Tribe... i do hope to support similar ideas in other fields, from comic books (where the struggle for creator rights against the big publishers is long-standing and currently desperate) to software (where independent, free tools like Perl survive and grow in an otherwise commercial and aggresive environment). this means that creators are as welcome as fans -- if you produce/create your own music/art/software/whatever and want to run a list/Web site, let me know! what ecto.org *can not* provide, as long as i am funding and maintaining it, is space or network access for individuals to do general netstuff -- much as i would like to give accounts for everyone on this list, i simply won't have the resources. and that means i am going to sort through the ideas and proposals and try to figure out what i can afford to take on for now. i apologize in advance for any decisions that seem arbitrary -- if the whole thing works out, perhaps it will grow (check out the IUMA site these days! and they're using SGI donations too ;) sorry for the long post, but i am really excited at the idea of making a place for all the spinoffs and suggestions than swirl out of this list. i'll post more info as it becomes available (that is, as i get my act together :) - -greg - -- - -- greg bossert silicon graphics, inc. -- - -- bossert@corp.sgi.com bossert@ecto.org -- - -- i have never been afraid to change -- Happy -- - -- the circumstances of the world -- Rhodes -- ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 23:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Tidbits On Tue, 3 Oct 1995, David Dixon wrote: > A thumb piano, also known as a kalimba (among other names, depending on > the region), is an instrument of African origin that consists of a series > of thin metal rods fastened down on one end and plucked on the other with > the thumbs. You'd recognize one instantly if you heard one. mbira is another name for it. You can usually find a cheap one in any sort of exotic import/export store for around $15 or $20. Hell, the Nature Company could conceivably have them. Just a hunk of wood or a gourd with some number of thin metal "keys". Does anyone know if those things exist in any sort of specific tuning? Or are they each individual. Either way, it's pretty fun to just pick one up and plink away. (They sound like that too, "plink" "plink" "plink") Neal ------------------------------ From: maeldun@i-2000.com (Michael Doyle) Date: Wed, 04 Oct 1995 00:07:34 -0400 Subject: Garbage Tour and a welcome MTV's Week In Music this past week included a story on Garbage. Most important information gleaned from it was that Garbage is going to be hitting the road sometime this month. I'll be keeping my eyes peeled for more info regarding dates and locations of Garbage shows. And if anyone comes across *any* information on them, please let me know. On another note, please welcome into lurkerdom here my good friend Deniz who deserves special mention and praise as the person who turned me on to Happy Rhodes. - - Mike Michael Doyle maeldun@i-2000.com =================================================================== "You're not anybody in America unless you're on TV." - - Suzanne Stone, TO DIE FOR ------------------------------ From: Dan Stark Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 01:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Mary Karlzen Ariel Brennan wrote: > Also, I was wondering about Mary Karlzen. I've seen some > sprinkled comments on her here, and was considering buying her > album "Yelling At Mary", but when I read a comment on the back > about "gritty vocals", I put it down. How gritty are these > vocals? Does this mean a scratchy voice ala Kirsten Hall or a > husky one ala Melissa Etheridge? A bluesy voice ala Joan Osborne? Oh, I saw her open for Charlie Sexton (!) in June and really liked her. She's from Chicago, and accompanied herself on acoustic guitar while her band played electric. I thought her voice was very similar to Victoria Williams with the same narrow range and tone, but her songs are more upbeat, and kind of straight-ahead roots-rock oriented. She had lots of energy in her performance, then between songs came off as being pretty shy, letting her band members handle most of the between-song chatter. I asked about her here, planned to look for the CD, then went on vacation or something and forgot all about it...thanks for reminding me! Hopefully Neil Griffin won't mind me posting his reply to me at the time... - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 28 Jun 1995 23:37:06 +1000 From: Neil Griffin To: dstark@freenet Subject: Mary Karlzen Hi Dan, I've been listening to 'Yelling at Mary' for the last few months - it's a great album. According to the Atlantic promo on their Web site: http://www.atlantic-records.com/Mary_Karlzen/Default.HTM Singer/songwriter Mary Karlzen's critically acclaimed independent recordings have been played on over 200 radio stations nationwide. A Florida native, Karlzen's country-flavored rock has already won her a following at cable channels including CMT, TNN, Canada's MuchMusic, and VH-1 -- where she is the most-played independent artist in station history. Karlzen, who has gigged with the likes of Bob Dylan, Lucinda Williams, Jackson Browne and John Hiatt, makes her Atlantic debut with "YELLING AT MARY", an album filled with melodic, rock, thoughtful introspection, and lyrical reflections on troubled relationships. David Hidalgo from Los Lobos and Benmont Tench from Tom Petty's Heartbreakers appear on several tracks. I can't add much to the review - I don't think you will be disappointed. Regards Neil G ------------------------------ From: Philip Sainty Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:37:22 +1300 Subject: Black specks on CD surface? :/ Hi folks I know that CDs (especially older ones) are supposed to 'die' eventually, and one of my discs seems to have acquired several black specks on its surface, the biggest ones being somewhere between .5 and 1mm in diameter... I'm fairly sure that these specks are 'in' the disc surface, and not little things sitting on it (I certainly can't move them by trying to wipe the surface clean), so what I want to know is if this is what it looks like when a CD starts to die? I'm feeling quite upset, because it's one of the two extra discs from my "This Woman's Work" box set :-( Thanks, Philip ------------------------------ From: Dan Stark Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 02:54:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Black specks on CD surface? :/ On Wed, 4 Oct 1995, Philip Sainty wrote: > I know that CDs (especially older ones) are supposed to 'die' eventually, > and one of my discs seems to have acquired several black specks on its > surface, the biggest ones being somewhere between .5 and 1mm in diameter... > I'm fairly sure that these specks are 'in' the disc surface, and not > little things sitting on it (I certainly can't move them by trying to > wipe the surface clean), so what I want to know is if this is what it > looks like when a CD starts to die? I don't think all CD's are supposed to "die", but there was a problem with some early discs, and evidently one manufacturer in Europe somewhere used a bad process that allows discs to deteriorate over time. I've heard this has since been rectified. The problem will be that the metal surface inside the plastic will either oxidize or be eaten away by the plastic material or adhesive that binds them together...sorry, I can't quite remember the exact details. I personally have yet to see one go bad, but it does sound like your black spots fit the description. I'd dub it to the best possible tape soon if I were you. > > I'm feeling quite upset, because it's one of the two extra discs from my > "This Woman's Work" box set :-( > Yeah, that pretty much sucks.... - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- DAN STARK ***NOTE*** dstark@freenet.npiec.on.ca ~\\|//~ NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada -(o o)- NOW IN EFFECT! - --------------------------------------------o000o--(_)--o000o---------------- ------------------------------ From: tgp Date: Wed, 4 Oct 95 10:56:14 BST Subject: Birthday list Hi Ectophiles, I'm back again after quite a long break from the list and there seems to be many new names according to the few pieces of mail that I've received today. Any way hello to all the new names and hello again to all those that remember me from the years that I was on the list in the past. Next, can anyone help me by forwarding a copy of the latest birthday list! I've got a copy of a pretty old list,which I found in some of my old saved mail, but I'm sure that it's way out of date. Thanks in anticipation and see y'all later. Good to be back. Terry ------------------------------ From: uchima@fncrd8.fnal.gov (Mike Uchima) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 09:48:56 -0500 Subject: Re: Black specks on CD surface? :/ > From: Dan Stark > > On Wed, 4 Oct 1995, Philip Sainty wrote: > > > I know that CDs (especially older ones) are supposed to 'die' eventually, > > and one of my discs seems to have acquired several black specks on its > > surface, the biggest ones being somewhere between .5 and 1mm in diameter... > > I'm fairly sure that these specks are 'in' the disc surface, and not > > little things sitting on it (I certainly can't move them by trying to > > wipe the surface clean), so what I want to know is if this is what it > > looks like when a CD starts to die? > > I don't think all CD's are supposed to "die", but there was a problem > with some early discs, and evidently one manufacturer in Europe somewhere > used a bad process that allows discs to deteriorate over time. I've heard > this has since been rectified. The manufacturer that had the problem was PDO UK. They will supposedly replace CDs they pressed which subsequently "go bad", if they determine that the problem is due to a manufacturing defect. If the CDs in question say "MADE IN U.K. BY PDO" somewhere on them, you might be able to get a replacement by contacting: Philips & Du Pont Optical UK Ltd. Philips Road Blackburn Lancashire BB15RZ FAX: +44 1 254 54729 TEL: +44 1 254 52448 (This according to a recent posting on rec.music.cd; I've never actually tried to get a replacement disc from them myself.) - -- Mike Uchima - -- uchima@fnal.fnal.gov ------------------------------ From: ariel_b@pipeline.com (Ariel Brennan) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 11:04:38 -0400 Subject: Tape Dubbing Project Heya, all. I've got a few tapes to contribute to the tape dubbing project, but... well, a system problem lost my copy of the Dub FAQ, so I don't have anywhere to send them, or any list to choose my return tapes from! So, if someone would be so kind as to e-mail me the FAQ, or repost it, that would be wonderful. - -A ------------------------------ From: "jeffrey hanson" Date: Wed, 04 Oct 95 10:06:02 cdt Subject: Cesaria Evora Hi folks! Went to see Ceasria Evora last night at the Cedar Cultural Center here in Minneapolis. The Cedar is the same place I saw Mouth Music a couple weeks back, and I'm quiet impressed with their lineup. They really try to get some great international acts into town. Cesaria, herself, was quite wonderful. No, she's not quite your typical ecto music, but a cross between French and Latin. She's actually from Cape Verde off the West Coast of Africa and sings in Portugese. Her voice is remarkable. For being an older, tired, rather world-weary looking woman, her voice is incredibly pure and rich--despite the fact she smokes--which she did throughout the concert, despite the fact the concert hall is non-smoking. She was quite well-received by the crowd, and I was surprised to see that she didn't speak a word of English to the crowd--she did say a bit in Portugese, and a few audience members could understand her, and the rest of us could usually get the gist of what she was saying--stuff like "this is going to be our last number", "thanks", etc. The band was quite terrific. When you closed your eyes, you could just feel yourself on a warm island somewhere off the coast of Africa, instead of a fairly cold gymnasium-like theater on a cool autumn night in the Midwest. For those of you into world music, Edith Piaf, and latin music in particular, I think you'd enjoy her. Thanks to whoever posted the review of her concert here earlier. I really enjoyed checking her out. I enjoyed it enough in fact, that I decided to purchase another concert ticket for this Sunday's performance of Mari Boine. She's an Inuit woman from the Arctic circle above Norway that I've heard a lot about, but don't think I've ever heard. I'm looking forward to it. This month there's just way too many good concerts! Jeff Hanson ------------------------------ From: myoung@valleyoak.herb.berkeley.edu (Maggie Young) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 95 09:06:05 PDT Subject: Re: Tidbits On Tue, 3 Oct 1995, David Dixon wrote: > A thumb piano, also known as a kalimba (among other names, depending on > the region), is an instrument of African origin that consists of a series > of thin metal rods fastened down on one end and plucked on the other with > the thumbs. You'd recognize one instantly if you heard one. Neal adds: >>mbira is another name for it. You can usually find a cheap one in any >>sort of exotic import/export store for around $15 or $20. Hell, the >>Nature Company could conceivably have them. Just a hunk of wood or a >>gourd with some number of thin metal "keys". Does anyone know if those >>things exist in any sort of specific tuning? Or are they each >>individual. Either way, it's pretty fun to just pick one up and plink >>away. (They sound like that too, "plink" "plink" "plink") As I understand it from my spoose (who was an ethnomusicology major as an undergraduate), they can be tuned to some extent, if one has a pair of pliers to push/pull the keys with, an ear or other method for tuning by, and a great deal of patience. I suspect that most of the ones out in stores either don't come well-tuned, or stay that way too long, and the less expensive they are, the more individualistic they're likely to be. Maggie ------------------------------ From: Dirk Kastens Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 17:17:49 +0100 (NFT) Subject: Re: Birthday list Hi Terry, welcome back! :-) Nice to see you again. Dirk Kastens _______________Dirk.Kastens@rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE Universitaet Osnabrueck Phone: +49/541/969-2347 Rechenzentrum Fax: +49/541/969-2470 Albrechtstr. 28 49069 Osnabrueck Germany ------------------------------ From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Date: Wed, 4 Oct 95 13:56:56 EDT Subject: The university so nice they named it once and other stories WRT someone's query last week about the experimental theater program at New York University: The other day I was looking something else up on the NYU web page. I don't know what it has on that particular program, but it certainly looks impressive. It's at http://www.nyu.edu . WRT the business of explaining the net to the Teeming Millions: the other day the _Chicago Sun-Times_ did an item on how the reporter called the University of Chicago music department to ask why its web page was on a machine called "tuna." The department secretary transferred him to the webmaster (a woman). His first question was, why her title wasn't webmistress. She replied that it didn't sound as good. He went on to ask why a music department homepage would be on a machine called Tuna? She said that they could just as easily used colors or something, that her own page was on another machine whose name escapes me, but it had no explanatory value for him in any case :-). The next day, the paper reported that another professor was teaching a course entirely via the Web. Their parting shot was that this would give rise to a new excuse--"the modem ate my homework. :-) Back to digging out of my five-day email backlog. Mitch ------------------------------ From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Date: Wed, 4 Oct 95 19:11:53 EDT Subject: Etymology of boojum? WRT Damon's query on the origins of the word: the first time I ever heard it was in the 1950's movie _Rally Round the Flag, Boys_, which was a comedy about the opening of an Army missle base in a small town. The Southern enlisted men used "boojum" as a colloquialism for "girl." It is also the name of the cat of the moderator of the Cybermind mailing list FWIW. MItch ------------------------------ From: kerry white Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 18:20:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: GOD Hello, IMHO: The production for the GOD cut on UTP was 'forced' on Tori to try for MTV time, and to tease non-Tori types into checking her out! It is the most kick-ass, muti-leveled produced thing she has done to date and was atypical for that cd itself. I have a few boots that date '92 and one from '94. In '92 the crowds are "trufans" who listen in reverent silence. The '94 crowd was much noisier in general and whooped and hollered and yelled and whistled when GOD was recognized. The noise continued into the song for a min. or so. The rest of the playlist was greeted w/ noises of recognition, but nothing like for GOD. The '94 was recorded in Syracuse,NY, 1 week before I showed up for a summer trip(drat!!). Maybe it was just Syracuse being rowdy, what do I know? RSVP!!! Info? opinions? Death threats?(better not!) KrW "...it left a great gaping hole in the water!" ------------------------------ From: Dan Stark Date: Wed, 4 Oct 1995 20:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Weeping Tile CD Launch Weeping Tile is currently touring parts of Canada, but will stop to hold CD release party for their new full-length release, 'Cold Snap'. This happens in Kingston, Ont.'s Baby Grand Theatre the day of the CD's official release, October 17th. I've actually considered driving up for it, a bit of a wacky idea since it's a Tuesday night and I have to work the next day. We'll see. The first single, "UFO Rosie", arrived at the station yesterday. It's a moody & haunting sound, with energy that simmers but doesn't flat-out rock. Like the rest of the album, it's based on electric, not acoustic instruments as "eePee" was. A change in direction, but I still like it. Dan - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- DAN STARK ***NOTE*** dstark@freenet.npiec.on.ca ~\\|//~ NEW E-MAIL ADDRESS St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada -(o o)- NOW IN EFFECT! - --------------------------------------------o000o--(_)--o000o---------------- ------------------------------ From: ariel_b@pipeline.com (Ariel Brennan) Date: Thu, 5 Oct 1995 04:42:00 -0400 Subject: Re: GOD On Oct 04, 1995 18:20:21, 'kerry white ' wrote: >Hello, IMHO: The production for the GOD cut on UTP was 'forced' on Tori to try >for MTV time, and to tease non-Tori types into checking her out! It is the >most kick-ass, muti-leveled produced thing she has done to date and was >atypical for that cd itself. I don't think so; Tori has said in interviews that she did the song that way because that's what it demanded. That and Cornflake Girl. I would have to agree; the thought of either song as a piano solo or sparsely done ballad ala the rest of UTP makes me a little queasy. It just wouldn't have worked, IMO. >Info? opinions? Death threats?(better not!) IF YOU DON'T RESPOND BY 3 AM TOMORROW....!!!! Oh. No Death threats? Sorry. :) - -A ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #242 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu