From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #241 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, 3 October 1995 Volume 02 : Number 241 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: brage@sphere.home.id.dtu.dk (Jens P. Brage) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 95 00:58:19 MET Subject: Home again... Hi! Well, now we're safe back home after our holiday trip to the US. It was great meting all of you - and special thanks to those ectophiles who housed us or showed us around! I'll write again when I'm not quite as jet-lagged as rigth now - have to get up early tomorrow for work.. :-) Jens P. Brage | Why don't they give me tape? Why don't they brage@sphere.home.id.dtu.dk | make it so I know what to do? Why don't they /\ | make it so I feel better about this? \SphereSoft | Has the Computer forgotten about me? ------------------------------ From: Kevin John Contzen Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 19:08:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: radio weirdness > So then I'm driving back to my place and I'm flipping stations on the radio > and stop on the horrible "mix 107," which is usually a nasty combo of > cheesy 80's and 90's music and I pause because I'm kinda liking what I'm > hearing, and after about 20 seconds I realize that that's 'cause it's a > Sarah McLachlan song I'D NEVER HEARD BEFORE...that "I Will Remember You" or > whatever it's called. It's shattered my worldview to have heard a Sarah > song on a schlocky radio station, let alone have it be a Sarah song I've > never heard before! a lot of vancouver 'philes knock our local radio stations... and i admit, they do deserve knocking. However, once in a while Z95.3 comes through... i've heard them play a (relatively) large proportion of neat stuff, like Dead Can Dance, Jane Siberry (heard "lovin' cup" just the other day), Tori, Sarah, Kate, etc... so, while they can pump out the schlock with the best of 'em, i think they deserve some slight amount of credit.. (there must be solitary dj with good taste battling against the station agenda or something:) kevin ------------------------------ From: THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 22:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Tidbits Hi! Since Jens is fully expecting me to, I'll join in the chorus: "Thank god they're finally gone!" ;> As has already been reported it was a good weekend, full of good music, TONS of good food, and for me, a new car. :> I now have speakers that can handle my auto CD player! Yay! The weekend got off to an auspicious start on Friday evening as I picked woj, Jens and Per up at the train station and then went to pick up the pizzas on the way to Tamar's house. WPKN played nothing but Happy the entire time: first "Save Our Souls", then something of hers from AG Vol. I, then "Cohab- itants". Pretty damn cool, I must say. Ani DiFranco was *great* Friday night. She's just amazing. Since then I've been overdosing on _Not A Pretty Girl_, which is going to be pretty high up on my list of best albums of the year, no question. I think it's the best one she's done yet. The most amazing thing is, looking closely at the liner notes for the first time last night, I discovered that there are only two musicians on the entire album: Ani and Andy the drummer! She plays every- thing from bass to "thumb piano", whatever the hell that is. And live, even though it's just her guitar and Andy's percussion, if you close your eyes you would swear there's an entire band up there on stage. Simply unbelievable. I daresay Jens and Per were duly impressed, won over, converted, etc. :) Next up on the concert circuit is Robyn Hitchcock at Maxwell's this Wednesday night. Yay. I just need to point this out because I think it's hilarious: >X-Authentication-warning: rac4.wam.umd.edu: jeffy owned process doing -bs :) :) :) Jeffy reported: > So then I'm driving back to my place and I'm flipping stations on the radio > and stop on the horrible "mix 107," which is usually a nasty combo of > cheesy 80's and 90's music and I pause because I'm kinda liking what I'm > hearing, and after about 20 seconds I realize that that's 'cause it's a > Sarah McLachlan song I'D NEVER HEARD BEFORE...that "I Will Remember You" or > whatever it's called. It's shattered my worldview to have heard a Sarah > song on a schlocky radio station, let alone have it be a Sarah song I've > never heard before! I'm actually not surprised she's getting airplay on stations like that with that song. If they market it properly, it could be a genuine top-40 hit for her. Isn't that a vile and scary thought? +===========================================================================+ |Meredith Tarr meth@delphi.com| |Boonton, NJ USA http://remus.rutgers.edu/~woj/methpg.html| +===========================================================================+ | "Warum hast du gestupid driven?!?" -- woj | +===========================================================================+ ------------------------------ From: Richard Holmes Date: Mon, 2 Oct 95 20:37:18 -0700 Subject: Re: Taboooo & Ecto,the Word jwaite@popmail.ucsd.edu (Jerene Waite) writes: >> >>Wed, 27 Sep 1995, Brad Hutchinson wrote: >> >>About a year ago, Madison >>Smartt Bell was here in Abingdon and I ended up talking to him for a >>long >>time about violence in contemporary literature. He'd read a piece of >>his >>new novel earlier in the day and it was pretty graphic. So, later, >>when we >>were drinking too much wine, I got enough courage to ask about it. >>And, to >>summarize before I take up too much more space, he said that violence >>was >>the new taboo to be broken. In the 60's and 70's everyone was >>breaking >>sexual taboos (in art that is) and the 80's and 90's taboo breaking >>seems >>to be centered around violence. > >In the next decade will it be that anachronistic taboo against use of >nuclear weapons? Hi Jerene! good point :) >Does artistic license really break down taboos? Seems to me that, in >the 60's & 70's, not only artists were breaking sexual taboos. And if one is having sex or creating violent art just because its taboo, then perhaps one is missing the point... By looking at popular films, one could also argue that there is a taboo against NOT showing violence in movies aimed at audiences older than preschool. Violence per se in art is neither good nor bad, what makes the difference is the purpose of the violence. It really turns me off when it's just to draw the crowds in, an "easy plot" so to speak. I prefer to see how people can be ingenious in NOT copping out and attacking someone to solve their problems, rather than a Heroic escapade of some infallible macho marauder. Just me, but that's where I stand. >What will our lives be like once the taboo against violence is >successfully broken? I remember someone (you know who) posting >something recently about artistic responsibility (I think). Does >exposure to artistic, presumably, imagined violence always desensitize >us to the real thing? Does exposure to the real thing also >desensitize? Maybe it depends upon whether one is the victim or the >perpetrator. I agree that violence *needs* to be addressed by artists >and others. I disagree that it is a taboo that ought to be broken. I think that responsibility is needed in all acts, artistic or not. All actions have effects, and many times those effects are not known until manifest. Intention goes a long way, though. - -Richard. ------------------------------ From: "Joseph Zitt" Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 23:06:18 +0000 Subject: Re: Re[2]: Help with Name On 2 Oct 95 at 16:47, jeffrey hanson wrote: > >I'd like an evocative name for it. I don't want to call it "ecto," > >because as I see it the whole guide, however many entries we have, is > >ecto. > > >What should we call it? > > I actually thought "evocative" might be a good name for it--this kind > of music usually evokes several different images, as well as evoking > several different styles. Whatcha think? My fave is what someone (who?) came up with some months back: "Tastes Like Chicken"! - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ==== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Organizer, SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List \|| |/Joe Zitt's Home Page\| ------------------------------ From: "Joseph Zitt" Date: Mon, 2 Oct 1995 23:06:25 +0000 Subject: Ectophile Unplugged? I had a cool doubletaking experience this evening: I stopped off at a local Blockbuster Music to get Bowie tix (Yay! But $35 each via Ticketbastard). I got to talking to the clerk, and we segued to takling about Bowie to Peter Gabriel to Paula Cole to October Project. Then he said "I've got someone you've *got* to hear", went over to the PA and put on "Collective Heart"! I started jumping up and down and going "Happy! Alright!". He got wideyed: "You've *heard* of her?" Turns out this guy has all her albums (except AG V1, which he hadn't heard of) and is constantly turning people on to her. He was amazed to know that she has a wide online following. I gave him my URL (since I have a link to the Ecto page, which I couldn't remember the URL of) and he said he was going to try to find it through his girlfriend's account. Fun to find other offline Ectophiloid pholks! - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ==== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Organizer, SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List \|| |/Joe Zitt's Home Page\| ------------------------------ From: Yngve Hauge Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:52:26 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: Milla Web page. On Mon, 2 Oct 1995, Neil K. Guy wrote: > > Hi folks! I've been asked to relay another message to Ectoland. I got some > email from a chap named Colin Cushing at Cornell who wants everyone to know > that he maintains a Milla Web page at: > > http://www.tc.cornell.edu/~cushing/milla/ There is a link to this page from my own growing one - http://ulke.himolde.no/~yngveh/ welcome Just a warning: the Fuzzyblue Universe homepage is currently under construction and is not functioning so not much there at the moment - and you can't get anywhere from it yet :) The links from my own homepage is ok though :) Yngve ------------------------------ From: Damon Harper Date: Tue, 3 Oct 95 02:32 PDT Subject: #ecto irc woes hi there... this is just a note to the many denizens of #ecto the irc channel. we've experienced a hostile takeover, repeat, we have experienced a hostile takeover. some jerk who was kicked at some point in the past has decided to wreak revenge upon us, and he *just* *won't* *give* *up*. so, right now it looks like the best course of action is to ignore him until he goes away, and we're using #realecto for the nonce. so look for us there :) hopefully he and his buddies will soon tire of their fun. *hugs* damon _/\_ Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca __\ /__ "Doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo, Vancouver, BC, CANADA \ / doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo." |/||\| - The Cranberries, http://www.dfw.net/~soulmate/damon/paukarut.html "Ode To My Family" ------------------------------ From: ariel_b@pipeline.com (Ariel Brennan) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 06:35:01 -0400 Subject: Maria McKee, plus... 'Ello all I was wondering what any of you might think of Maria McKee. I'm considering buying an album of hers, based mainly on two things: 1) a desperate need of new music and 2) the description of her work in Ladyslipper. Anyway, any information of what she sounds like would be appreciated. Also, I was wondering about Mary Karlzen. I've seen some sprinkled comments on her here, and was considering buying her album "Yelling At Mary", but when I read a comment on the back about "gritty vocals", I put it down. How gritty are these vocals? Does this mean a scratchy voice ala Kirsten Hall or a husky one ala Melissa Etheridge? A bluesy voice ala Joan Osborne? - -Ariel ------------------------------ From: Yngve Hauge Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 11:33:36 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: Ectophile Unplugged? Norway is kinda far away from the alternative US/UK-scene (except for Blur and Co.) so people here don't get much of those artists through the radio. That is kinda a shame :( When I saw the sales of some of the artists/groups I kinda did fall off the chair. Cocteau Twins has sold about 1000 cd/release just to give you an example .... I've been raving about Happy to every soul I know and some of them have become quite interested. But due to the kind of people in the norwegian navy/army it's been kinda slow (they haven't got brains enough to like something outside hip-hop/Techno) But now everything is going to speed up some :) Yngve ------------------------------ From: Damon Harper Date: Tue, 3 Oct 95 03:58 PDT Subject: irc woes again well, now that i posted that message about the #ecto "takeover", the problem seems to have gone away. still, it seems not unlikely that there will be reoccurrences over the next little while, so if #ecto seems to be populated by a bunch of jerks, try #realecto. we'll see what happens. take care damon _/\_ Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca __\ /__ "Doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo, Vancouver, BC, CANADA \ / doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo." |/||\| - The Cranberries, http://www.dfw.net/~soulmate/damon/paukarut.html "Ode To My Family" ------------------------------ From: guetzlaf@appsdiv.cray.com (Cathy Guetzlaff) Date: Tue, 3 Oct 95 8:10:49 CDT Subject: EWS EWS strikes again! Thank heavens Carla and I are both gainfully employed, our Ws really weren't entirely E, we had enough spare change to indulge in some concert tickets, but more about that later. Thank heavens my three-paycheck-month was September! We ended up with a pile of CDs, the ones of ectophilic interest being: Jane Siberry, _WIWAB_: Why in the world did it take this long for us to buy this CD? We really need to keep up, this one is a delight! Mae Moore, _Dragonfly_: Haven't listened to it yet, but we get a kick out of her so I'm sure we'll like it just fine. Natalie Merchant, _Tigerlily_: Also haven't officially listened to this, but we did hear cuts from it while we were having a cocktail at one of those trendy Uptown restaurant/bar/coffee house places. They were playing Joni Mitchell's _Blue_ in the other room. Now *there's* a desert island disc! Sophie B. Hawkins, the latest one the name of which escapes me: Ok, so what's the deal here, is she queer or isn't she? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Meth? ;-) As for the music, I like her first one better, Carla likes this one better. Hildegard von Bingen, can't remember who's doing the music but it isn't that Vision thang: Thanks Meth for the pointer to HvB! This one will be the Sunday morning coffee&paper CD along with Thomas Tallis. Henryk Gorecki, _Symphony No. 3_: And a big thanks to Jeffy for identifying this one for us. For those of you who don't recognize the name, this is what has been playing at Sarah's concerts before she comes out. This should be heard while sitting very very still with one's eyes closed... They were sold out of the latest October Project and Jonatha Brooke so we'll just have to go back to pick these up later, along with all the others we wanted to buy but didn't. As for concerts, we saw Patty Larkin on Sunday. Quite a high energy performance! Jennifer Kimball is indeed touring with Patty, but for the most part she seemed to be merely window-dressing. She mostly just stood there swaying to the music, occasionally singing "Oooooooo", and trying to keep her new long hair out of her eyes. After the concert, we stopped to talk to our favorite waitperson, and he put us on the guest list to see Jonatha Brooke on October 12. I've also got my ticket for October Project on Oct. 24, and Jane Siberry on Nov. 9 (Jane is playing at The Fitzgerald, where 'A Prairie Home Companion' originates). Any of you Twin Citians attending any of these? - -- Cathy Guetzlaff Cray Research, Inc. guetzlaf@cray.com ------------------------------ From: "jeffrey hanson" Date: Tue, 03 Oct 95 09:03:03 cdt Subject: Re: Maria McKee, plus... Regarding Maria McKee-- I heartily recommend her--her first album in particular (the second one is good too, but not as powerful). In case you don't know, she was the lead singer of Lone Justice--I recommend those albums too! She's got a great loud effortless voice with a hint of a country twang. She definitely sounds like she's from the south and grew up listening to Patsy Cline, even though she was born and raised in LA. She now lives in Ireland. She's an excellent songwriter--so if a little bit of country (and I don't usually like country either) in your rock'n'roll doesn't turn you off, I'd recommend starting with Maria McKee (the album--especially the song Breathe), and if you like it, check out Lone Justice. Jeff Hanson ------------------------------ From: Date: 03 Oct 95 10:38:30 EDT Subject: klezmaniacs Neal sez: |Subject: Klezmatics |I saw an intriguing review for The Klezmatics album Jews With Horns |(Xenophile, a sublabel of Green Linnet). Not only did they think it was |brilliant and fun, but it also includes vocal assistance from BETTY and |Moxy Fruvous. Thought someone out there might care. Oh, and if you have |a web-browser, you can actually find the review (under music reviews or |something like that) at http://www.citypaper.com I bought a Green Linnet sampler that had the "title track" Man in a Hat and I was blown away so I got the CD. It's a *great* album, and I don't even like klezmer *that* much. And yes, I was surprised to see BETTY and Fruvous (esp. the latter) on BVs. Really, though, Man in a Hat is a romp! Maybe the next gift project, ay? "I'm a man in a hat with a tan, a man in a hat with tan, in Manhattan, I'm a man with a hat" - -mjminahat ------------------------------ From: Dirk Kastens Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 16:37:59 +0100 (NFT) Subject: Capercaillie Hi, last night I saw Capercaillie in my hometown (a very rare event). I stood in front of the stage only 2m away from Karen, WOW! :-) Looking into her beautiful blue eyes when she was singing the wonderful tunes was really breathtaking. The band was excellent. I felt like standing in their rehearsal room, because I could hear the stage sound. Only the vocals were a bit soft. After the concert, when they came out into the pub one after the other (only Karen and the keyboarder stayed in the wardrope until they left) I asked them to sign my Delirium booklet. They were VERY friendly and down to earth. Unlike many of the local "heroes". I bought their latest CD5, the soundtrack of the film Rob Roy. Their forthcoming album is finished and should be released soon. I really can't await it. Dirk Kastens _______________Dirk.Kastens@rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE Universitaet Osnabrueck Phone: +49/541/969-2347 Rechenzentrum Fax: +49/541/969-2470 Albrechtstr. 28 49069 Osnabrueck Germany ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 09:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: blackgirls; Area--bands by any other name Over a week ago Yngve wrote: > Just wanted to inform you that both of Blackgirls releases > are rereleased. On what label I don't know but I saw them > in the spring catalogue from Compact Huset AS (should be found > in the list of record stores which got Happy in stock). Are you sure this is the blackgirls? I know there's a new female singer who calls herself blackgirl. The blackgirls albums are _procedure_ and _happy_. > Another question - > > The Area albums are rereleased on a Japanese label but the > price is horrible much more expensive than other japanese > releases. What is that all about? Or is it just a mistyping > in the catalogue?? There's another band called Area, too, that I've seen in import catalogues. I almost ordered them once before I had found the discs, then realized the album titles weren't the ones I'd seen listed on ecto. Do the album titles match up? The Illinois Area's titles are: _Radio Caroline_, _A Perfect Dream_, _Between Purple and Pink_, and _Fragments of the Morning_. If it is them, it's strange because I haven't heard anything about Japanese re-releases from either Henry Frayne or from the Moon Seven Times mailing list. Both of them are pretty quiet, though, so it still could have happened without much talk about it. Maybe the Japanese releases are bootlegs? That would account for the higher price, too. - --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ From: Yngve Hauge Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 20:08:53 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: blackgirls; Area--bands by any other name Naaahhh, It seems I got the wrong Area :) But the price is horrible no matter what :( REQUEST : Ecto guide : I'm working on a blur discography - what I got is the UK material up to april 94 - if someone could help me with the uk releases from then to now I would be very thankful ________________________________________________________________ Yngve Hauge | __ ___ __ | | _ www: http://ulke.himolde.no/~yngveh/ |-- | | | ||-- |_||| |_ Irc-nick: One Alien |__ |__ | |__|| | |||_|_ ------------------------------ From: Yngve Hauge Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 20:12:00 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: blackgirls; Area--bands by any other name On Tue, 3 Oct 1995, Neile Graham wrote: > > > Over a week ago Yngve wrote: > > > Just wanted to inform you that both of Blackgirls releases > > are rereleased. On what label I don't know but I saw them > > in the spring catalogue from Compact Huset AS (should be found > > in the list of record stores which got Happy in stock). > > Are you sure this is the blackgirls? I know there's a new female singer > who calls herself blackgirl. The blackgirls albums are _procedure_ and > _happy_. > Yeah, I'm sure actually :) The titles are correct and as I said I already got one of their albums. ________________________________________________________________ Yngve Hauge | __ ___ __ | | _ www: http://ulke.himolde.no/~yngveh/ |-- | | | ||-- |_||| |_ Irc-nick: One Alien |__ |__ | |__|| | |||_|_ ------------------------------ From: Dirk Kastens Date: Tue, 3 Oct 1995 21:24:23 +0100 (NFT) Subject: Genesis remasters Hi, Damon asked me to give a summary of the KEYS article. I thought that it would be interesting for some of you, so I'm posting it to the list. The "Genesis Definitive Edition Remasters" comprises 13 albums from Trespass to Three Sides Live. Responsible for the project were Geoff Callingham, studio manager of The Farm, and Nick Davis, sound engineer and producer of the last three albums. The project was started because the rivision of the material wasn't done very carefully when it was first released on CD. And Genesis have been aware of the possible improvements. Foxtrot: Supper's Ready had been recorded during two days in several parts. At night someone exchanged the reel-to-reel, and when they wanted to cut the pieces together they realized the different speed of the two machines. They didn't had time for a new mix so after 2/3 of the song it was slightly out-of-tune. Now they restored the original tuning. The Lamb Lies...: The sound engineer caught a low hum onto the vinyl master that wasn't on the original master tape. The first CDs were pressed from the vinyl master so the hum could be heard on every CD. Now they used the original master. Duke: When they mastered Duke in 1980, the sound from the monitoring system had a very heavy bass sound. The result was a very thin sound. Now they raised the bass level. The revision of the material should keep the original character of the songs. The use of today's 20-bit technology and noise shaping finally convinced Genesis. They used the software Sonic Solutions that runs on a Mac, a Prism AD-1 noise shaper, a Sony CD recorder, just to name a few things. All of the original master tapes were kept in a store near the Heathrow Airport in London - with the exception of Trespass and Foxtrot. They had to use the backup copies from Virgin, instead. Three of the master tapes from the years between 1976 and 1980 had to be prepared in a special oven to reverse the chemical process of decomposition. Chris Blair did the equalization and the 20-bit conversion at the Abbey Road Studios and recorded the results on Exabyte tapes that were taken to The Farm. The first step at The Farm was the denoising process to eliminate the noise, clicks and humming that was produced by the old equipment and the instruments. Finally they produced CD-R copies for each member of the band. They compared the result with the originals and were very satisfied. Nick Davis:" Regarding some of the albums, like TLLDOB, there's absolutely no comparison. The profit of the recordings is an open sound, that is missing on the old CDs, everything sounds so much cleaner." All in all the project took three months of work, that's about one week per album. Dirk Kastens _______________Dirk.Kastens@rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE Universitaet Osnabrueck Phone: +49/541/969-2347 Rechenzentrum Fax: +49/541/969-2470 Albrechtstr. 28 49069 Osnabrueck Germany ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #241 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu