From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #237 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, 29 September 1995 Volume 02 : Number 237 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: torok@nynexst.com (Dave Torok) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 15:40:49 -0400 Subject: Mouth Music tour schedule? Hi All, I'm jealous! So many times I've heard that Mouth Music is excellent live, and I haven't yet had a chance to see them. So, does anyone have a current tour schedule? I'm most particularly interested in NYC/Philly dates. Thanks, - -=$>Dave<$=- ------------------------------ From: kerry white Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 18:34:15 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Tick: 4 or 5 fellows Hello, to all of you Tick-infested -philes: " The Tick In Las Vegas" features all 4 of the Firesign Theater guys as "...hench-creatures of the episode's main villian..." . This info via the FOUR-ALARM FIRESIGNal #27, dated Aug. but arriving today via bulk mail! KrW "Who was that masked man?" "That no mask, that birthmark!" ------------------------------ From: maeldun@i-2000.com (Michael Doyle) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 20:08:32 -0400 Subject: Re: ecto-digest V2 #235 At 11:15 PM 9/27/95 -0400, Robert Lovejoy wrote: >John asks: > >>>P.S. Has anybody gotten a spam titled "The Long March?" > >Unfortunately I also received this piece of garbage. And this is not a >major service. Ye gods, how did someone with such a tiny mind manage to >spam the whole net? (Or at least a lot of it...) Well, it didn't hit me... - - Mike Michael Doyle maeldun@i-2000.com =================================================================== "You're not anybody in America unless you're on TV." - - Suzanne Stone, TO DIE FOR ------------------------------ From: roLLerCOasTEr boy Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 20:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: 2 ecto shows in 2 days! BEN FOLDS FIVE/HEATHER NOVA 9/26 in washington dc there's been some mention already of heather nova's show, but i'll add a tidbit or two and a full set list from Tuesday's gig... the band was *so* tight, and heather's voice was *so* on that i was kinda pleased when the guitar player had some technical problems on "sugar" 'cause it felt more like a live performance after that... anyway, here's the set:throwing fire at the sun, heal, verona, light years, talking to strangers, walking higher, blue black, walk this world, island, maybe an angel, sugar truth and bone (acoustic) doubled-up. (*all* of Oyster, plus "talking" -- not too often you see an artist play everything on the album -- there's usually a filler track in there somewhere, or something that doesn't translate well to a live gig...) she did something traditional sounding as in intro to doubled-up, about a minute's worth. anyone know what? she didn't talk much; she said that she was psyched to be starting her first american tour, she said that "walking higher" was a song about life after life, she said she was going to play "angel," got a huge response from the crowd, then said she changed her mind. that was about it. I also must put a good word in for openers Ben Folds Five (though i still want someone to tell me why they are not Ben Folds Three) -- very energetic show, and Ben Folds -- the piano player -- is quite a showman. Recommended, even if they *ain't* ecto fodder. Remind me of Jellyfish without the Queen fixation and without (trebly) electric guitars. KEVIN GILBERT/THE STORY 9/27 I'd never heard of Kevin Gilbert before, but now I recommend him and his allbum _thud_ without hesitation. Folk-singer type with musically straightforward songs with wicked, cynical, hysterically funny and terribly serious lyrics. Tonight was the first night of the Story's tour, and they seemed very happy to be playing for a live audience. The band was tight, Jonatha seemed to be in a very good humor and quite chatty. She told us all about her recent video shoot (directed by Michael Nesmith!) life on the bus, etc. Kevin Gilbert sang Bruce Cockburn's part on "War" and new backup singer Ingrid Graudins tackled Jennifer's parts quite credibly, I thought. Lots of songs from the new record and _Angel in the House_; only the title track from _Grace in Gravity_. Set list: War, The Gilded Cage, Full-Fledged Strangers, Incosolable, Nothing Sacred, Grace in Gravity, The Angel in the House, At the Still Point, So Much Mine, Made of Gold, No Better Where Were You BOTTOM LINE: If these bands come to your town, for pete's sake, go see 'em! Both were top-notch, and I guarandamntee ya this is gonna be your last chance to see Heather Nova in hole-in-the-wall clubs like the 9:30. Not really related: I've been listening to Fleming & John's _Delusions of Grandeur_ while typing this up, something I bought on my own, without prodding from ecto! Have any of you heard it? It seems on first listen quite stylistically diverse. Some of it reminded me of Sybil Vane, some was much folkier, and some of it had almost a celtic quality. __/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__/-\__==the=roLLerCOasTEr=boy= = ...nous devons cultiver notre jardin... = = INET:dmayowel@access.digex.net AOL:DougMhyphW Compu$erve:102432,355 = = visit the pathetic caverns! http://www.access.digex.net/~dmayowel = ------------------------------ From: maeldun@i-2000.com (Michael Doyle) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 20:39:53 -0400 Subject: Re: cyberspace, ecto irl and HOLLY! At 11:12 AM 9/28/95 PDT, Damon Harper wrote: >world (like us! :) get really sick of it before long. like all the internet >*movies* that are apparently in the works now. Mmm, like HACKERS which explores the hacker subculture, made up of ultra-stylish young people who could be models if you took their keyboards away. :P - - Mike Michael Doyle maeldun@i-2000.com =================================================================== "You're not anybody in America unless you're on TV." - - Suzanne Stone, TO DIE FOR ------------------------------ From: Matthew Levy Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 20:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Ani DiFranco in Binghamton! Well, with all the messages about Ani's shows this week, I might as well add the one I'll be at.... this Sat. (Sept. 30) at Binghamton University's Mandela Room. If anyone is going to this event, you can recognize me if you see a guy about 5'9", brown hair, wearing jeans and perhaps wearing a shirt with a ska-dancing skunk on the front. (Any Perfect Thyroid fans out there?) Matt "...who is still sad not being able to find a Happy Rhodes album locally..." ------------------------------ From: maeldun@i-2000.com (Michael Doyle) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 20:39:58 -0400 Subject: Questing for more jargon woj wrote: >there >is a whole gang of 'philes - including jens brage - going. And it got me thinkin. Thinkin with that part of my brain I'd be better off without... gaggle of geese, pride of lions, pod of whales... ...pile of 'philes? float of ectos? comments? - - Mike Michael Doyle maeldun@i-2000.com =================================================================== "You're not anybody in America unless you're on TV." - - Suzanne Stone, TO DIE FOR ------------------------------ From: maeldun@i-2000.com (Michael Doyle) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 20:40:02 -0400 Subject: Re: Queries and replies At 09:48 PM 9/27/95 -0400, THE OLIVE-LOAF VIGILANTE wrote: > >Anybody catch the VH-1 "One To One" interview with Natalie Merchant the other >night? Yes, I caught a small portion of it. And I saw the video for "Carnival" for the first time. Man, it just goes to strengthen my belief that more than anyone else, Natalie Merchant deserves the title "the cats pajamas." - - Mike Michael Doyle maeldun@i-2000.com =================================================================== "You're not anybody in America unless you're on TV." - - Suzanne Stone, TO DIE FOR ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 21:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Fuzzy Blue Raincoat I bought a pretty interesting disc the other day. It's called Sharks Patrol These Waters, The best of Volume too. I'm not familiar with volume magazine, but this disc was a great deal. Actually, it's 2 discs and a 192 page booklet that I honestly believe I'll read within the next 5 years. I'm on my first pass through it, and there is a great mix. It leans more to the crunchy fuzzy side, and seems to have a pretty even split of male/female artists. Some notable winners were a solo demo version of White Belly from Tanya Donnely, a really raw version of Vow from Garbage, my first hearings of Elastica (wow!) and many more to come. What cemented the purchase for me was the inclusion of the Cocteau Twins version of Frosty the Snowman, that I was too cheap, grouchy or slow to buy as an import. Oh, and best of all, this whole package (2 discs and large book, 44 songs in all) was only $16.99. Here's the artists: (Hey, I'm typing, so I'm not going to do song names too, unless there is specific interest in individual songs) afghan wigs, the auteurs, barry adamson, belly, blur, the boo radleys, the breeders, cocteau twins, the cranberries, drugstore, emf, echobelly, elastica, the fall, gallon drunk, garbage, gene, james, jesus jones, mark lanegan, love spit love, lush, madder rose, manic street preachers, mindless drug hoover, morphine, paul weller, pulp, radiohead, ride, sleeper, slowdive, spiritualized, stereolab, st etienne, strangelove, suede, the sugarcubes, teenage fanclub, terrorvision, the the, therapy?, throwing muses, and tindersticks. Also, I saw a new Leonard Cohen tribute album called Tower of Song (different from the one a few years ago, I'm Your Fan (?) ). It had Tori singing "Famous Blue Raincoat"!!!! My favorite LC song! Has anyone heard this? Lastly, the latest United Airlines magazine has a really nice spread of paintings by Joni Mitchell. They are really stunning looking. So if there are any Joni fanatics out there, hurry to your nearest airport. Neal ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 21:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Oh yeah... Gee, and I meant to say WELCOME BACK HOLLY too, in my last post. WEll, I guess it's never too late. Glad to see you're still alive and well and hanging (in boxes?) in the Bawlmer area. Neal ------------------------------ From: kerry white Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 21:21:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: ecto-digest V2 #236 Hello, > From: rlovejoy@netaxs.com (Robert Lovejoy) > Steve Notes: > >and those who use them should be given a cream pie in the face. > Ouch! I _liked_ "Deepspace" as a nick... cyber bad. Yuck! livingspace, ectospace good. Yumm! > From: "JOHN SHEPARD (CALAMARI)" > room in the basement of your friend's house where there's a > sofa, some recliners, a neat stereo, lots of cats and potted > plants, posters of Kate and Sarah (a la the ectoroom) and > friends sitting around trading CDs. ectospace good. Yumm! > traditionally my night to say stuff people will yell at me Yell? Yell? YELL? I can stub my fingers but... > Amy sez: > >I agree with the idea of a trade/sell list somewhere in Ectoland. Speaking[writing:IDIOMFILTER] of such: My 1st foray to Bjorkspace(sorry) was to get LIVE DEBUT 93 12-6-93 Hamburg. Clean crisp recording, high energy, but I'm left un-connected to it. 'twas only $20. Anyone interested? > as for the question of nouns, while the cyber* bugs me, the *space > doesn't. ectospace has a nice feel to it. hmmm. i rather like it. > woj Yes,yes,yes!!! From: JJH969@aol.com > Ectorians; > We be Ectillic electrons whipped into congruent configurations. Yeah, but that's a given. > From: Damon Harper > and finally... HOLLY! WELCOME BACK!!!!!! it's good to see your shining > cyberface around herespace again! <--- er, sorry, i slipped, actually i'm a > fanatic cyber- and -space user, and was trying to save cyberfacespace... oh > no... i've done it cyberagainspace, haven't cyberi? *blibble* > *hugs* to all the wonderful ectoids out there. cyberhugs? :P A few momenta in ectospace will leave you warm and fuzzy and "clear"(sorry,Vickie). KrW Ash nazg derbatuluuk ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 20:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Susan McKeown & The Chanting House To Meredith & to Ecto: Listening to this more--there is some wonderful stuff on this--some of it is the "usual" singer/songwriter stuff. Incredible setting of one of my favourite medieval lyrics: "Westrone Wynde": Westron wynde where wilt thou blow, the small rain down can rain, Christ if my love were in my arms, and I in my bed again. The song then goes into another version of it, "Westlin Winds". Gorgeous. Contact info: sheilagig@aol.com Sheila-na-Gig Music P.O. Box 2349 New York, NY 10009-2349 The cd + postage = $17.00. Make the check out to Susan McKeown. Hope this helps. - --Neile ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 20:11:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Fuzzy Blue Raincoat Neal asks: > Also, I saw a new Leonard Cohen tribute album called Tower of Song > (different from the one a few years ago, I'm Your Fan (?) ). It had Tori > singing "Famous Blue Raincoat"!!!! My favorite LC song! Has anyone > heard this? "Famous Blue Raincoat" is probably my favourite Leonard Cohen song, too, and I really like Tori's version of it. The other really knockout performance on the disc is Suzanne Vega's version of "Story of Isaac". The bad news is the rest of it is horrible. Well, maybe Peter Gabriel's "Suzanne" is ok, but it's not the best version I've heard by a long shot. _I'm Your Fan_ is a far more interesting tribute, with these exceptions. Better yet, listen to the originals. - --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 23:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Fuzzy Blue Raincoat On Thu, 28 Sep 1995, Neile Graham wrote: > "Famous Blue Raincoat" is probably my favourite Leonard Cohen song, too, > and I really like Tori's version of it. The other really knockout > performance on the disc is Suzanne Vega's version of "Story of Isaac". > is Suzanne Vega on a role now, or what? This and her wonderful addition to Songs from the Cold Seas is more interesting stuff from her than I've run across in a few years. Neal ------------------------------ From: jwaite@popmail.ucsd.edu (Jerene Waite) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 20:55:52 -0700 Subject: Taboooo & Ecto,the Word Wed, 27 Sep 1995, Brad Hutchinson wrote: >About a year ago, Madison >Smartt Bell was here in Abingdon and I ended up talking to him for a long >time about violence in contemporary literature. He'd read a piece of his >new novel earlier in the day and it was pretty graphic. So, later, when we >were drinking too much wine, I got enough courage to ask about it. And, to >summarize before I take up too much more space, he said that violence was >the new taboo to be broken. In the 60's and 70's everyone was breaking >sexual taboos (in art that is) and the 80's and 90's taboo breaking seems >to be centered around violence. In the next decade will it be that anachronistic taboo against use of nuclear weapons? Does artistic license really break down taboos? Seems to me that, in the 60's & 70's, not only artists were breaking sexual taboos. What will our lives be like once the taboo against violence is successfully broken? I remember someone (you know who) posting something recently about artistic responsibility (I think). Does exposure to artistic, presumably, imagined violence always desensitize us to the real thing? Does exposure to the real thing also desensitize? Maybe it depends upon whether one is the victim or the perpetrator. I agree that violence *needs* to be addressed by artists and others. I disagree that it is a taboo that ought to be broken. BTW, I ALWAYS use 'ecto' when asked about my musical tastes or when asked to describe the musical genre of one of our faves. Sometimes people think that they should know what I'm talking about already, but usually they ask. Then I have to give the longer paragraph about 'what ecto means to me'. Sooner or later, if we teach them all, it will be so much easier to describe to people what I like in music--one word--ecto. Right now, I am 'on ecto'. You who are reading this are 'receiving the ecto'. Isn't 'post' a more appropriate verb, rather than talk or write? Checked my thesaurus for another word for space. Howz about ecto-ether? I hope all those artists are spending the fall doing concerts in cold places like MN and NY so that they can spend all winter doing concerts in San Diego. Jealous and green-- Jerene ------------------------------ From: BINNIE@delphi.com Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 23:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: ecto-digest V2 #236 From: binnie@delphi.com Date : September 28, 1995 Subject: Lori Carson on WPKN Lori Carson will be performing live on Ray Terlaga's Friday night program on WPKN-FM, 89.5 FM (Bridgeport, CT)..around 8:30 p.m....She will be performing an acoustic set at Cafe Diesel in New Haven later that night, around 10 or so...State St. I'm going to try and go after the Ani DeFranco concert at Southern! p.s. can anyone tell me about Emily Bezar? Heard her on an out-of-state radio station over the summer...maybe I've missed info about her on previous ecto-transmissions....been trying to order her album but record stores keep failing in attempts. thanks. binnie klein wpkn ------------------------------ From: kerry white Date: Thu, 28 Sep 1995 23:21:06 -0500 (CDT) Subject: my last message Hello, sorry about using all that space while saying so little. I received a 2nd gen copy of KaTe SNL 78 in the mail today and I've been light-headed (ok, *more* light-headed than usual) since. KrW ...for the snark *was* a boojum, you see! ------------------------------ From: "Joseph Zitt" Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 00:12:57 +0000 Subject: Re: David Bowie's _Outside_ On 27 Sep 95 at 18:36, Brad Hutchinson wrote: > Well, not really an ectoish album, but hey, who else could I ask? I bought > it yesterday (because Eno is on it and I love the _Low_ era Bowie) and boy > is it . . . dark? Or is that strange? Uh... yeah. In short, it's the first Bowie since the opening of "Scary Monsters" to give me the "what the hell *is* this?" experience I like to get from him. It's masterful, all right... but I'm not sure I *like* it -- and I have a feeling that, listening to it, I may pass on seeing this tour (even though I've caught all his stadium tours since "Stage"). The NIN connection is pretty clear in listening to this (though I think "The Downward Spiral" was a better album). But the whole mutilation-for-the-hell-of-it thread that pervades the album and much of the other industrial scene... Maybe I'm taking things too literally or missing a metaphor or something, but the album seems to be celebrating what happens to Baby Grace, et al -- and I can't help but picture the teenage girl at the center of it and what her view of it would be. I'm not against strong art (as those around here who read my play "Gabrielle" when I had it online can probably agree), but Madison Smart Bell's idea of violence being a taboo to be broken doesn't ring right for me. Violence and sex are *not* equivalent -- the depiction of violence is consistently that of someone getting hurt. And the violence thing is not all that recent -- remember that Laurie Anderson's first (very obscure) record some twenty years ago was a response to Chris Burden's art of self-mutilation. Was Bowie in it to shock? If so why? There has to be more to it than shock... and I would think that Eno, at least, would approach things from a more compassionate angle. (Having hurt people, through action and inaction, in the past, I tend to be perhaps too careful about not doing so now, and try hard not to do so in my own work in the arts.) I should note that I haven't grokked all the lyrics yet -- it takes a lot of listenings for me to get the words to things (re: earlier discussions, I'm clearly a music-first person), and the lyric fragments in the graphic collages (which are well done if unintelligible) don't help. I've read the liner story, and it's even more graphic than the sound. That said, musically, aspects of it are stunning. The star of the whole thing, to my ears, is pianist Mike Garson, who also was a standout on "The Buddha of Suburbia" (with which "Outside" shares its closing song) and on earlier works such as "Aladdin Sane". They say this is the first of a three-album contract. I hope Bowie, once done getting this one out of his system, delivers, in the further discs, music that is this fascinating coupled with content that is more humane. (BTW, for those who can't get enough, check out www.davidbowie.com It's striking (if very slow at 14.4). - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ==== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Organizer, SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List \|| |/Joe Zitt's Home Page\| ------------------------------ From: "Stuart P. Myerburg" Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 01:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Couple of Replies woj said: > hmmm. i've been listening to _the mirror pool_ once a day or so lately > and it just hasn't clicked with me. dunno what it is either as her > songs from dead can dance still floor me. i think i miss brendan (i > miss einar on bjork's solo albums as well) and his counterbalance to > lisa's mystic yodeling. i also think that the supporting music is > pretty weak. lisa's yang ch'in (a small chinese hammered dulcimer) is > glorious as always, but the keyboard drones and washes sound kinda flat > and synthetic. I agree. For some reason, I just am not that impressed with _The Mirror Pool_. Other than Lisa's version of Handel's "Largo," which is absolutely amazing, the songs are just not particularly interesting. So, perhaps Brendan and Lisa do need each other. But Bjork is definitely better off without Einar. :-) Neile said: > "Famous Blue Raincoat" is probably my favourite Leonard Cohen song, > too, and I really like Tori's version of it. The other really knockout > performance on the disc is Suzanne Vega's version of "Story of Isaac". Yep. I love those two as well. The only other song I like on the album is Bono's "Hallelujah." > The bad news is the rest of it is horrible. I wouldn't say horrible. I have heard far worse tribute albums (like _The Glory of Gershwin_). I think my problem with the album is I'm just not that big of a fan of most of the artists, so I don't particularly care to hear their interpretations. Stuart ___________________________________________________________________________ Stuart Myerburg stuart@law.emory.edu Information Technology Services labspm@emory.edu Hugh F. MacMillan Law Library http://www.law.emory.edu/~stuart ___________________________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: kerry white Date: Fri, 29 Sep 1995 01:04:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: long crap Hello, I got that crap too!!! Fortunately for me I was forewarned and didn't have to let it boil my blood. I'm sorry that some of you had to. KrW "The information superhighway is just CB with more typing" and any idiot can *blast* the CB channels w/noise! ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #237 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu