From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #225 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, 14 September 1995 Volume 02 : Number 225 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: beach house tiki god Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:32:55 -0400 Subject: Re: hector zazou's "chansons des mers froides" "Stuart P. Myerburg" sez: >Actually, there are some remixes of "I'll Strangle You" on a promo single >I picked up. But none of them are really noteworthy. my copy of said single is a regular release. there are three mixes of "i'll strangle you": the extended, instrumental and filmic mixes. i don't recall any of them being particularly interesting either. woj ------------------------------ From: Greg Burrell Date: Wed, 13 Sep 95 15:30:31 -0700 Subject: Re: tori zep cover Hi, > Point of information: Does the album Encomium: A Tribute to Led Zeppelin > ring a bell for anyone? Is there a Tori duet with Robert Plant on here? > Is there any Tori on here? And what *is* "encomium"? There is a duet. They both sing, Tori plans piano, Robert plays guitar. Not one of her better efforts, their voices don't go together very well. Your mileage may vary but in general I've found most Tori fans aren't too enthusiastic about this track. "Encomium" is an expression of high praise. -Greg ("he writes letters...") ------------------------------ From: VNozick@tribune.com Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 17:30:16 -0700 Subject: Re: tori zep cover MJM said: >Point of information: Does the album Encomium: A Tribute to Led Zeppelin >ring a bell for anyone? Is there a Tori duet with Robert Plant on here? >Is there any Tori on here? And what *is* "encomium"? Yes, there is a Tori duet on this -- I forget what song it is, though (it's the last track). My word of advice is don't bother unless you're a completionist. The song has few Tori vocals on it, and most of the album -- Tori and Plant included -- is composed of bad covers. I listened to this once and haven't bothered since. The word 'encomium' means glowing and warmly enthusiastic praise, according to Webster's New Collegiate. Synonym tribute. Hope that helps! ==> Valerie ------------------------------ From: beach house tiki god Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 18:38:28 -0400 Subject: Re: tori zep cover sez: >Point of information: Does the album Encomium: A Tribute to Led Zeppelin >ring a bell for anyone? Is there a Tori duet with Robert Plant on here? >Is there any Tori on here? yup. yup. yup. the duet (pretty cheesy for the tributee to pay tribute to himself, no?) is "down by the seaside". i haven't heard it yet, so i dunno if it is any good or not. >And what *is* "encomium"? a speech praising someone or an eulogy. the only reason i know is because the word popped up in some article i was reading about jerry garcia not too long ago. woj ------------------------------ From: beach house tiki god Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 19:00:54 -0400 Subject: finnished again! Markku Kolkka sez: >Actually there are four vocalists, but Sari Kaasinen dropped out of latest >U.S. tour because of illness. you will note that my note and markku's reply follow a pretty standard pattern with regard to varttina discussion on ecto: i post something which is genrearlly right and then he refines it. :) Jani Pinola sez: > Va:rttina: has been a leading FM-group in Finland for a few years >and has become quite popular. Unfortunately, some people think that they >have compromised their music as well, becoming more 'popular-sounding' in >the process. becoming more popular-sounding is certainly true, but i disagree that they have compromised their music. they just have changed from a pure folk band to something different. i've been listening to my varttina albums again, now that they have been brought up again on ecto. i'm listening to oi dai right now and am struck by how similar some of the music is to muzikas or vujicics. > But this is not all of it, not by far. The success of Va:rttina: >gave rise to many new (and old) groups, which again has had a tremendous >effect in the rise of folk music in Finland. did sari kaasinen have anything to do with the academic folk music revival spearheaded by heikki laitinen at the sibelius academy? the way i understood it, neikku was the performing group of members of the department at sibelius. i don't know if there was any interaction between kaasinen and sibelius. >By now there are at least a >few dozen groups making records, although the people behind the most >promising one's are actually quite few. To summarise, here's a list of >some of the more 'ectoish' groups worth considering... > Anna-Kaisa Liedes (beautiful vocals, ethnic sound) i have one her records (the only one?) entitled _kuuttaren korut_ which i just plan adore. this is highly recommended by me! > Niekku (featuring A-K Liedes, vocal harmonics) neikku also features maria kalaniemi who has released a self-titled album which is available in the states on green linnet. that album is also quite wonderful. one song in particular, "skymningpolskan", does that resonating thing i was talking about yesterday. > (without emphasis in female vocals, but still quite nice (at least > to people who consider music above lyrics...:)) : you can also add jpp, the premier finnish fiddling group, to that list as well. if you like fiddles, look for their stuff! a friend of mine went to one of their fiddle workshops in vermont a year or so ago and said it was one of the best musical experiences of his life - and he doesn't even play a fiddle! jpp have at least one record out on green linnet in the states as well, so there's no need to go bankrupt to sample them. > plus many more that i cannot seem to remember right now. sounds familiar. i can't find the other finnish albums i have. i really should dig out the vinyl though - i think there may even be one or two albums i haven't listened to yet! >The only >problem will be the actual acquisition of the records, but i suggest you >contact the 'Fazerin musiikki' or 'Musiikki Fazer' in Helsinki, and >they'll be proud to deliver you anything you need digelius music is the best place to mail-order from outside of finland, according to folks who share my madness for finnish music. the address is laivurinrinne 2 00120 helsinki finland they can also be faxed at +358 (0) 628950 or phones at +358 (0) 666375. woj ------------------------------ From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 95 19:19:34 EDT Subject: Re: ecto-digest V2 #219 There was a bumper crop of mailing list posts over the weekend, which I still haven't dug out of. For all that, a couple of quick observations on unrelated topics. A few weeks ago, the radio newsmagazine _CBC Sunday Morning_ ------------------------------ From: "Jessica Koeppel" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 16:38:52 -0700 Subject: Re: tori zep cover valerie wrote: > The word 'encomium' means glowing and warmly enthusiastic praise, according to > Webster's New Collegiate. Synonym tribute. and the Oxford 8th says: a formal or high-flown expression of praise Hmmmmmm glowing and warm is much more positive than formal and high flown! ------------------------------ From: kerry white Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 20:40:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Fruitopia On Tue, 22 Aug 1995, kerry white wrote: > Hello, I've got a bunch of MST3Ks on tape and 6 have Fruitopia comm.s in > them. Does anyone know how many Fr... com.s there are total and of that > how many were by Kate? No news wasn't good news, so here it is again. KrW Yes' it left a great gaping hole in the water! ------------------------------ From: kerry white Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:38:57 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Tori Zep+ Hello, At a Best Buy they had some listening stations an the LZ cd was there. I have bought boots at rediculous prices and cds for 1 song and I did not want this at all. Less of a duet than a Plant w/ backup vocal,also a tad insipid. Also,(can't quote 'cause I delete too fast; and this could be a gaffa thread!) Vangelis's Soil Festivities title cut digs deep into the psyche, partly due to the repeated tone being at THETA brainwave freq. and an entrained brain is both soft and creative.[Am I leaving myself wide open w/ a metaphor like this?] KrW "What's that?" "Tell you later!" A of Buck Bonz... ------------------------------ From: c601809@showme.missouri.edu Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 21:48:22 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Hi :) I just wanted to say hi to everybody, and thanks to Yngve for first getting me hooked on Happy Rhodes (he's my hero now) and now on this mailing list. And thanks to all who raved about Heather Nova, I had never heard her before, and I love her. Somebody was talking earlier about Frances Hodgeson Burnett and mentioned something they thought was called the "The Lost Prince"? For some reason I think she wrote "Little Lord Fauntleroy", which would definately follow that theme. Thanks again and hi! ***Tracy ------------------------------ From: bridgesm@logica.co.uk (Martin G Bridges) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 09:14:09 +0100 Subject: Re: tori zep cover Hi all, >MJM said: >>Point of information: Does the album Encomium: A Tribute to Led Zeppelin >>ring a bell for anyone? Is there a Tori duet with Robert Plant on here? >>Is there any Tori on here? And what *is* "encomium"? > And Valerie said: >Yes, there is a Tori duet on this -- I forget what song it is, though >(it's the >last track). My word of advice is don't bother unless you're a completionist. >The song has few Tori vocals on it, and most of the album -- Tori and Plant >included -- is composed of bad covers. I listened to this once and haven't >bothered since. > Briefly diverging semi-OffEcto, I too was disappointed by this album. Being a big Zep fan, and liking many of the artists doing the covering, I expected more. However, to me the covers were either carbon copies of the original or so wildly off to be unpleasant. Tori's duet with Percy was OK, but to my mind it's a duff song anyway. Cheers, Martin *------------------------------------------------------------------------* * Martin G Bridges | All opinions expressed are | * * Logica UK Ltd. | mine, but may be shared! | Disqualified from * * Stephenson House |------------------------------| the human race * * 67-87 Hampstead Rd. | Email: bridgesm@logica.co.uk | for shoving * * LONDON NW1 2PL | Tel. : +44 171 637 9111 | * * U.K. | Fax. : +44 171 344 3633 | * *------------------------------------------------------------------------* ------------------------------ From: SUZANNE WEISS Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 01:40:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: tori zep cover On Wed, 13 Sep 1995, Neile Graham wrote: > mjm queries: > > > Point of information: Does the album Encomium: A Tribute to Led Zeppelin > > ring a bell for anyone? Is there a Tori duet with Robert Plant on here? > > Is there any Tori on here? > > Yes there is Tori. The duet with Plant is the final cut, "Down by the > Seaside". I haven't heard it, but the scuttlebutt made it sound as though > it was awful. ummm... I like... not strike that... adore Tori. until DbtS I hadn't found a song I disliked... but DbtS I can not listen to... mayhaps it's the fact I don't like Robert Plant and that I think Tori is wasted on it... but I just can't listen to it. ~ Suzanne ------------------------------ From: Markku Kolkka Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 13:35:09 +0300 Subject: Re: finnished again! At 19.00 13.9.95 -0400, woj wrote: >did sari kaasinen have anything to do with the academic folk music >revival spearheaded by heikki laitinen at the sibelius academy? I believe she studied at the Sibelius Academy (http://www.siba.fi/), and Mari Kaasinen is a student now. Most of the instrumentalists of the group are either students or staff members at the academy. Anna-Kaisa Liedes and Maria Kalaniemi are also both members of the staff of the folk music department of the Sibelius Academy. >digelius music is the best place to mail-order from outside of >finland, according to folks who share my madness for finnish music. OK, maybe it's appropriate to repeat their WWW address: http://personal.eunet.fi/pp/dighoe and Email: pap@dighoe.pp.fi - -- Markku Kolkka mk59200@cc.tut.fi ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 07:55:06 -0500 Subject: Anonymous 4 While driving last night, I was listening to the local NPR station. The program on was "Today's Performance" (or some such). At the time I was listening, they were "showcasing" Anonymous 4. I didn't realize the have four discs out, including a Christmas one. I might HAVE to get that one. They were saying how they started with only 12 people at their first concert, but lately they've been getting 12,000 people to show up. What an increase! All through out the showcase, they were providing snippets of music, primarily from they're latest disc. At the end of the showcase (at least I think it was the end - I was at my destination, so I had to get out of the car) they ran through one of the songs in its entirety. Wonderful! Beautiful! Haunting vocals. When I was "thinking" of purchasing one of their discs, I tracked through "Ladymass" (I think) and didn't want to buy it. Mainly because I wasn't in the "mood" for madrigals/mideval (sp?) music. However, I might have to go back for it now. Although, since the latest was what NPR was tracking through, I might actually have to get that one. Niele, Meth (which one?): you're recommendations are correct. These are some wonderful ladies! Voices are fantastic. A convert, Matt - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber, new dad, meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska "It must be inordinately taxing to be such a boob." - Brain - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ From: "jeffrey hanson" Date: Thu, 14 Sep 95 09:34:10 cdt Subject: Returned mail: User unknown Oh to be in ecto! God it feels good to be back. Over three weeks without ecto (and without e-mail in general) could drive a man to drink. I'm now fairly settled into my new place and job in Minneapolis. Yay! I was looking forward to seeing Heather Nova tonight at the 7th Street Entry but it seems like she cancelled. Anyone know what's up with that? As for new music--the best new purchases that I'm sure have been discussed to death in my absence are Lisa Gerrard's The Mirror Pool and Jane Siberry's Maria. Maria, at first, really sounded like a departure from Jane's usual style, but now that I've listened to it several times, it does seem that odd. It's really grown on me. I heard a remix version of Lovin Cup (or whatever the title is) on the radio prior to purchasing the album and could have sworn it was a new Debby Harry song. Kind of scary, but give it a listen and see what you think. The remix version was rather discoy which helped contribute to that impression, I'm sure. Well, just thought I'd say "Hi"--I've missed you all! And thanks Neile for the housewarming cassette--I absolutely love it! And thanks Dusti for your card! Its great to move into a place and get mail right away! (Thanks again to you too Neal!) Later folks! Jeff Hanson jeffrey_hanson@fmc.com Received: by ccmail from nsd.fmc.com From MAILER-DAEMON@fmc.com X-Envelope-From: MAILER-DAEMON@fmc.com Received: from igw.fmc.com (ddn-gateway) by nsd.fmc.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA00602; Thu, 14 Sep 1995 08:31:04 -0500 Received: from nsd.fmc.com ([128.254.68.21]) by igw.fmc.com id AA13644 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for ); Thu, 14 Sep 1995 08:29:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 14 Sep 1995 08:29:52 -0500 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Message-Id: <199509141329.AA13644@igw.fmc.com> To: jeffrey_hanson@NSDGATE3.nsd.fmc.com Subject: Returned mail: User unknown content-length: 2394 ------------------------------ From: Richard Holmes Date: Thu, 14 Sep 95 08:32:14 -0700 Subject: Re: Repetition again (and much more) jwaite@popmail.ucsd.edu (Jerene Waite) responds to some of the random thoughts which my fingers spewed forth upon readng her post: >>Well, I think this just illustrates that one must be open to the >>connection for something to connect... either at the similar place >>emotionally / spiritually, or able to recall (or forecall?) that >>place... There are connections which I've felt via music, although >>I've never been "in" that spot before.... but drawing up from a >>collage of my experiences, and those of others (not really >>consciously) may have somehow made the connection... > >Absolutely, I agree! That collective unconscious--or the water across >which we sail, from which bubbles sometimes arise, or waves threaten >to overwhelm. We all have imagination. But that doesn't mean that I >connect so easily with any old lyric or poetry or other work of art. >Open, yes, sometimes it takes work too. Nor do I connect easily... I think I'm so anti-conditioned from the mainstream of society (despite all outward appearances) that I'm more likely to reject "any old lyric or poetry" just because I have an inherent, uncontrollable reaction against anything which smacks of those attitudes which I see as a part of the controlling, power-over-others-worshipping, greedy, non-life-affirming, hero-adulating, trinket-selling-madison-avenue-brainwashing, etc. Why I don't really relate to much tv and fiction, and many peices of music, but luckily I tend to find stuff which kind of resonates "on my wavelength". Of course, being a part of this society, I know that I can't ever be aware of how much of the aforementioned "etc" actually *does* influence my tastes and behaviours... such is the plight of us "carbon-based life forms..." But, even with stuff which I could connect with, it really depends a lot on "mood"... now what "mood" depends upon, well, that's another unsolicited manuscript... >>With respect to flaws... yes, some times a part of a song *seems* >>like >>a flaw, but taken in another light, maybe not.... quoting: >> >> maybe it was to learn how to fight >> maybe it was for the lesson in pride >> maybe it was the cowboy's ways >> maybe it was to learn how to cry ... >> >>That one line can be taken many ways... who is the cowboy, for one? >>Only Jane knows for sure (or not)... > >Yeah. I guess it doesn't even matter for me who is the cowboy, >but--what ARE cowboy's ways? (I've never known one.) Imagining now >. . . maybe some aloof, no visible sign of emotion, macho type? Nor have I, although the connections I make are old westerns (which I haven't watched for years), and Lisa Germano's song, "(Little) Cowboy". Like so many things, it can mean so many things... >>sometimes when I create things, >>they come from sources I know not where, and I don't always know why, >>except that they evoke a feeling. So, it may be flawed *for you*, >>during the past listenings you've had... (there's lots of songs I >>know >>where I kinda say "huh?" and I think this may be what you mean when >>you say "flawed"... and *YES* for me, too, this is one of them... >>although it hadn't really stood out as much 'til you mentioned it!). >> >>WRT perfection, this is one of those eternal questions, not graspable >>by mere mortals in their normal state... >> >>Namely, us, right? (Or did that glass of wine put me in an abnormal >>state?) >>{-" or was it the music? >> I might ask and / or postulate: >> >> * perhaps the goddess creates "perfectly placed flaws", such that >>their placement illuminates perfection, here or elswhere. > >Hmmm, nice, but a judgement call. Kind of tautological too? I >believe in infinite randomness, out of which chaos is born. (Go >ahead; you can tell me I'm wrong.) How could I possibly tell you you're wrong? But I could tell you that I'm interested in your views on chaos, randomness, and perfection.... =8^) >> * If the goddess only creates perfection, then who/what creates >>the >>flaws? And who creates hatred and violence? This is something I >>have >>gone to great lengths to try to understand, and I'm still at a loss. >>What is the cause of hatred and bloodshed, intolerance and bigotry? >>Is it just us people being "sinful" as some would believe? Is it a >>manifestation of evil, a Christian "Devil" of sorts? How much >>control >>do the individuals perpetrating evil have over the evil they do? How >>is evil defined... and how did we as a species ever get into the >>state that we feel we must kill each other to make forward progress? >>Certainly, in our present state, there is often a need to trade a >>smaller violence to prevent a larger one... is this just the nature >>of >>existance, or are we skewing our collective views such that such >>tradeoffs seem the only alternative? >Flaws, I think, (as you initially suggested) are a judgment. If you >believe that our minds are products of natural selection, then it is >not so difficult to understand why killing non-self to "progress" or >survive or feel safer is so ubiquitous. Is this evil? I once had the >horrific experience of listening to a coyote eat a pet cat. I can >(rationally) understand that the coyote was not evil in following its >natural instincts. But why did it have to snarl and growl so >viciously as it fed? I guess there are 'rational' reasons for that >too, but it left the impression of EVIL. Evil begets fear. That is >the reason perhaps. Fear, like pain, is a safeguard. Keeps the people >from trying to rescue the cat. Using a loaded word like "evil", well, this is bound to bring *some* kind of interesting response. No, protecting oneself is not "evil" in my opinion. There also is a difference, I think, when one has the ability to discuss and philosophise about killing... obviously the coyote is not evil, any more than people are evil when they buy vegetables that have been farmed by poisoning the earth and its creatures. We do what we must to survive, given the structure in which we are "placed". Is it better to survive by participating in structures we know to be "inappropriate" (such as our economic and political structures) and survive to help effect the changes, or to not partake in anything we consider "bad" and thereby starve? I think the former is better. There also is an understandable biological basis for cultures which rape and pillage... does this mean that we should put up with it? I think not.... Does it mean that everyone in such a culture is evil? Obviously no (IMHO)..., by some standards, our participation in the rape and pillage of the earth would make us ALL evil. It is in many ways, a matter of degree. We can't get from here to there in one step, so we must "deal with" the imperfections of some various intermediate states. I do, however, consider that perpetuating the structures which perpetuate the need for violence, on such extreme scales as manifested by humans, is HIGHLY inappropriate. Some individuals who are vehemently supporting those structures and participating vigorously, I also consider inapproprate. When the degree of inappropriateness becomes great enough, some call it "evil". I'm not sure what the best thing to call it is, but I don't like it. >> I just read an interesting >>perspective on the roots of violence (among other things), in Sherri >>S. Tepper's "Raising the Stones", a novel. I'm still wondering... > >I read this not too long ago. What are you wondering? I wondered >what would happen if they had buried some of the god fungus on the >planet with the slime aliens that no one liked. WRT what I'm wondering? All the stuff I've been blathering on about! What would happen if they buried god fungus on the Porsa's planet? Well, maybe there'd be "Slime Tchenka" or their equivalent... since these creatures love disgusting filth, perhaps the sliminess of their planet would increase. Or, if we veiw the disgustingness as absolute, and the nature of the god fungus inherently "good", then they would evolve to something less disgusting. I'm still trying to figure out how to get some of that fungus... or whatever its a metaphor for! >> * Or does the goddess create (and / or put interesting spins on) >>a sort of "divine chaos", in order that all perfection and all flaw >>are at once manifest, since if all we had were perfection, why would >>be be here, trying as we do to seek betterment of our condition, and >>learning what we need to know... in other words, would it be an >>ecstatic experience if that was what state we were in all the time? > >And boring as hell? Yup, that's a good one. Maybe it was to learn >how to live--Maybe it was to learn how to grow--Maybe it was for the >games we play-- The concept of the "boring perfectness" appears a few times in ancient and contemporary mythology. Sort of supports the idea of diversity and contrast (not necessarily polarity, however) as essential ingredients for the "essense of existance". Polarity is just contrast in twos, but I think the equation is of a higher order. >>Does the goddess give us hints at how to shape our chaos, such that >>we >>may evolve, rather than simply leading us through it, and have us not >>remember our way? > >Gosh, shucks, I don't know! Well, I didn't *expect* either of us to... but is it still fun and productive to talk about it? :) >I guess I believe that within our minds, that ocean of collective >unconscious, there evolved a model, ideals--Perfect Good and Perfect >Evil, which we use to make our judgements about what's good, what >fits, and what's bad or flawed. Some of us are more in touch than >others, obviously. The good ideal is that which healthy, happy people >strive for, not against. I've thought that instead of god forming man >in his own image or man forming god in his own image, that humans >strive to form themselves into the ideal called god. Which is one reason why heroic, war gods and sultry temptress love goddesses can be so dangerous... and why contemporary mythology (whether realized via music, poetry, art, or storytelling/writing is so important now). I was really thinking about that before I started reading "Raising the Stones" by Sherri Tepper... and why I was open to its "connections". When a military culture rewrites ancient word-of-mouth mythology, you get Zeus and Aphrodite, Marduk, and Baal. >>If we shape chaos towards perfection, are we >>manifesting or becoming goddes/god/whatever? > >My favorite Isaac Asimov short story dealt with the evolution of >humanity into beings which were like mind webs blebbing around the >Universe, collecting energy and matter and forming star systems in an >attempt to reverse entropy. Kind of like cleaning the house. >Temporary reversal of entropy:isn't that what life is? >(mechanistically speaking) Since chaotic systems tend toward some >attractor, aren't they already loosely organized? Would you destroy a >delicately balanced chaos????? Deface a Mandelbrot set???? Sound cool.... sort of like what we're doing now, except on a larger scale? >> Is it enough to always >>keep an open mind, and keep searching? > >Good question. I almost gave an easy answer. It is definitely >frustrating to me to not know some answers NOW. Some completion is a >good reward and encouragement to continue. But maybe some of us can't >help but keep searching, even with no solid answers ever. I think I >must be one of those types. How about you? Well, I think I must always search, because no matter how solid I think the answers are, being a product of my biology and culture, I can never know *for sure*. However, I have a whole set of jellied answers that I use to navigate within for the time being... some contradictory, but that's ok in a certain mindset as well. To address my own question, I think it is necessary to keep an open mind and keep searching, but not sufficient. One must also take actions based on one's beliefs (IMHO). Standing by and not helping when needed, not taking an action and simply philosophizing about evil, absolutes, and speculations is, well, "inappropriate". A common theme, but worthwhile. I've also pondered this as well... what is an appropriate way to react in a culture of violence? Naturally, one protects what one hold's dear. This, IMHO, is good. Tepper's other book, Grass, spoke to this with the Foxen. It is just so cool to see a topic I've thought about so much *actualized* in contemporary mythology in such a vivid and coherent manner. And, like most myths, it raises as many questions as it answers, but it does make an impact and has some effect on de-culturalizing many negative aspects of our society. >>Well, I don't want you to think I'm picking on you by asking these >>things, it is just something that you wrote caused my fingers to >>start creating chaos... =8^) >> >>-Richard > >As you can see, I pick back. I really enjoyed your thoughts. Keep >creating. Please. We'll make us another Universe next door one of >these days--a new improved version, no commercials. Well, what a pleasant pick it has been! By sharing visions of each other's universes, the intersecting corners create new ones! Then we can all become walkers between universes! That's one of the things I find so great about this list... much of the music is capable of allowing glimpses of so many other's universes. >Have a Happy day. > >--Jerene And may the moonbeams shine brighly on the lakes and forests of your soul. - -Richard. ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #225 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu