From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #221 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, 12 September 1995 Volume 02 : Number 221 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Colford Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:05:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: those emotionally charged songs... On Mon, 11 Sep 1995, Damon Harper wrote: > lessee... a recent example is dar williams' "when i was a boy", and that's > *definitely* a lyric thing. the music is nice, but not very important to > the song - the theme of losing something with time wrenches my heart... i've > often felt that way, that the irretrievable something i've lost and more or > less forgotten is something i should have treasured more, i guess? plus the > whole gender boundary thing is something i've thought about a lot. so the > song really talks to me. Funny, I was going to post about "When I was a boy" being a recent example of a song that always chokes me up, even though I've heard it so many times. I agree, it's a lyric thing in this case, but it's also the way she sings it, especially the last verse. Often, the way someone sings a song will make me cry even more than the lyrics. Jane Siberry's "The walking (and constantly) is a good example of this. Michael -------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael Colford | Reading Public Library | Reading, Massachusetts colford@noble.mass.edu | *North of Boston Library Exchange* -------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 95 22:23:29 EDT Subject: Re: Today's your birthday, friend... > > i*i*i*i*i*i > i*i*i*i*i*i > *************** > *****HAPPY********* > **************BIRTHDAY********* > *************************************************** > *************************************************************************** > ****************** Holly Tominack (HOLLY@UMBC2.UMBC.EDU) ****************** > *************************************************************************** Happy Birthday Holly! I haven't noticed Holly around Ecto lately, actually, but her hiding-in-large-boxes story still gives me a laugh when I happen across it on my hard disk. :-) - - Anthony - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au http://daemon.apana.org.au/~anthony/ Physical mail: P.O. Box 40, Malvern 3144, Victoria, Australia "The red sky was bleeding glimpses of heaven, in sections of seven..." - Rose Chronicles reaching lyrical perfection on "Awaiting Eternity" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 08:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Spirit of the West and Danielle French On Tue, 12 Sep 1995, Ariane Behrend wrote: > yeah, their drinking songs have definately always been favorites in the > past, and their present success seems to be directly linked to their change > toward a 'heavier' sound... ?? I only know of the one drinking song--"The Crawl"--and I think we have everything of theirs (we even have the cassette release of their first album). > I disagree. I used to be a HUGE SOTW fan, especially due to their amazing > lyrics, but am quite disappointed with the last album, largely because of > the music, which I guess does make me a bit more of a music person than i'd > like to admit. The great lyrics are still there but often get lost in the > heavier sound... they used to have a distinctive and original sound but are > leaning toward "second grade rock band" status now (i'm quoting a friend > again, i wouldn't go quite that far...) I think Save this House was there > best album. I like 'Tell Me What I Think' off Two Headed because it still > has some of the old sound, but am saddened by most of the rest of that > album. I didn't mind their transition initially but think they have gone too > far in almost completely dropping the celtic sound. Hmm. Our accessments are totally different. My favourite albums of theirs are _Tripping Up the Stairs_ for their Celtic sound, _Labour Day_ for their intermediate stage, and _Go Figure_ for their current rockier sound. I don't like _Save This House_ much--to me it seems too poppy and musically less distinct and individual than the albums that preceded and that follow it. I see it as a preparation album for the more individual _Go Figure_. _Faithlift_ seemed to me to be mostly a slightly lifeless repeat of _Go Figure_. _Two-Headed_ seems to me to be them waking up again (though I really haven't listened to it enough to be certain of my impressions). This is obviously just my opinion, because from what I've gathered from reading alt.music.canada, most people agree with you about _Save This House_--it is very popular. > yeah, I agree, though I think I'm slightly more tolerant of 'bad' music than > I am of 'bad' lyrics-ie. if a song has what are annoying lyrics to me, no > amount of musical brilliance can generally make up for it. A good example is > yet another Vancouver artist: Danielle French, who just put out a very > over-produced, 'nice' sounding debut album. Melodies and arrangements are > perfect, and its easy to get carried away by that. Quite Sarahesque, and in > fact Dave Kershaw plays on a song... The only song I quite like is Fields of > Fire, which may be mainly due to the fact that my friend Mo does a fine job > of accompanying her on violin. Other than that I just can't get over my > aversion to lyrics like "I am only passing time until the time you are > mine." But for all of you who are music people, I highly recommend this > album because musically it's brilliant. I got a copy of Danielle French's album a couple of weeks ago, and it's not all that interesting to me musically. It seems pretty mainstream pop. There are two songs I think she does very well, both of which are slow. I can't remember the same of the first one, but the second one is the title song, "Me Myself and I". It's a strange and haunting song--mostly because of the music rather than the lyrics--and almost makes the album worth the price of admission to me. The "hit" track (I say this because there are two versions of it on the album), "Worthy" is a pleasant pop song that would get decent airplay if the album gets any promotion. Ariane, I hope you don't think I'm ornery. I'm not trying to disagree with you--just to give another take on the music. - --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ From: lakrahn@iw.net (Laurel Krahn) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 10:41:12 -0500 Subject: emotionally charged songs... Hmmm. I'm trying to think of which songs move me the most. I should point out that I'm more lyrically motivated, than musically... tho I think my favorite songs are the ones that have both great lyrics and good music. I can't say unilaterally that "it's just the lyrics." Christine Lavin's "The Kind of Love You Never Recover From" has been a tearjerker for me. Whether her version or when friends have covered the tune. Also Nanci Griffith's rendition of the Patrick Alger song "Once in a Very Blue Moon". Similar reasons, I guess. Subject matter and the fact that they are well crafted songs... Oooh. Add to that list, John Wesley Harding's "Roy Orbison Knows (The Best Man's Song)". From one of my favorite albums, JWH's IT HAPPENED ONE NIGHT. Brilliant album, just Wes and a guitar playing songs for friends. Some turned up on his studio albums eventually, some didn't. So much energy and wit and fun... I suspect the song I mention is the only one that would generate tears, but I happen to like songs like that. I can't quite remember exactly which songs, but various ones from Jane Siberry's WHEN I WAS A BOY and Heidi Berry's self-titled album can get to me. With them, it's the absoluate beauty of the music and lyrics, along with subject matter and certain turns of phrase. Emotions. Peter Gabriel has always moved me... particularly the song "Here Comes the Flood". It was my favorite song for a time and I recall one particular month when I was very depressed and I listened to nothing but that song, over and over and over. That was years ago. Blessedly, I still love the song. Various songs from US get to me depending on my mood. And for some odd reason, I always hear "Don't Give Up" when I'm at low ebb... it'll be on the radio or a friend's cd player or a mixtape and stuff... that can be interesting. Steven Brust's "The Visit" is a beautiful song, but also a tearjerker. Because it's a story of a visit Steve and his father and son made to Hungary. Well, Steve's Dad passed away a few years ago and... I dunno. It gets to a person, makes you think about family and the passage of time and all that. From A ROSE FOR ICONOCLASTES. The Flash Girls do a song called "Sonnet in the Dark" which is so beautiful and poignant that when they perform it really well, it can spark a wee tear or two. Neil Gaiman wrote this wondrous sonnet and the Fabulous Lorraine put it to music. The recorded version is on THE RETURN OF PANSY SMITH AND VIOLET JONES. Tori's "Baker Baker" and certain others, depending on the timing, can get to me. Sarah McLachlan is similar in that respect. Then there are times just when music is so good, particularly when you're at a really good concert or sitting there with musicians jamming... that it becomes an emotional experience somehow. Transcends just being a cool musical event... I haven't unpacked all of my music, if I were to actually look at albums, I'd probably think of plenty of other songs. Hmmm. Michael Smith's "The Dutchman" and "Spoon River." Phil Ochs rendition of the Alfred Noyes poem "The Highwayman." John Prine's "Souvenirs" (or was that a Steve Goodman song? One they both did, I forget who actually wrote it and don't have the albums right here so I can check the credit). That's enough for now, I guess. Best, Laurel (lakrahn@imho.net) Krahn, Webspinner Virtual Home: http://www.iw.net/~lakrahn/index.html Seeking webmaster, internet training/writing work... signal-to-noise (Flash Girls mailing list) is online again... ------------------------------ From: lakrahn@iw.net (Laurel Krahn) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 10:41:15 -0500 Subject: Leslie Spitt Treeo? The Leslie Spit Treeo was mentioned as being at the Kumbaya festival, I think... Never heard anyone refer to the actual band, though. I bought an album by the group a few years ago, which really surprised me. Liked it a lot. Solid folk rock kindof stuff, very very good lyrics in many cases. Occasionally had a little more twang than I'd like, but still... utterly charming. I think the album title is DON'T CRY TOO HARD. Beyond that album, I never heard the band mentioned anywhere. Have never seen any other albums... I always wondered if the band was still around or had broken up or changed names or what... So it was a pleasant surprise to see them mentioned in the list of artists at the festival. Did anyone hear 'em at the Festival? Anyone know anything more about the group? Do they have other albums? Thanks! :-) Laurel (lakrahn@imho.net) Krahn, Webspinner Virtual Home: http://www.iw.net/~lakrahn/index.html Seeking webmaster, internet training/writing work... signal-to-noise (Flash Girls mailing list) is online again... ------------------------------ From: anthony@xymox.apana.org.au (Anthony Horan) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 95 22:27:58 EDT Subject: Re: Welcome to another Melbournite! >> >> Garry >> (Melbourne, Australia) >> >Hi Garry, welcome to ecto (how long have you been here ?) >If you've heard no Happy, I'd be happy to help :) Let me know. > >And then there were four (or more ??) Four people from the same city - >how close is that to the record ?? We'll be just about set for a Proper EctoFunction soon, I think. :) BTW, on a musical note, has anyone yet mentioned here the Hector Zazou album "Songs From The Cold Seas", which features songs sung by Bjork, Jane Siberry, Siouxsie, Suzanne Vega and John Cale, as well as contributions from the likes of Brendan Perry, Harold Budd and the redoubtable Budgie? If so, err, sorry. :) If not, it's a 1994 release on Sony (France) which has just been released in Australia. Hector's ode to Jane Siberry in the booklet is priceless...! - - Anthony - -- - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Anthony Horan, Melbourne Australia - anthony@xymox.apana.org.au http://daemon.apana.org.au/~anthony/ Physical mail: P.O. Box 40, Malvern 3144, Victoria, Australia "The red sky was bleeding glimpses of heaven, in sections of seven..." - Rose Chronicles reaching lyrical perfection on "Awaiting Eternity" - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Kevin John Contzen Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:27:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: Off color... (fwd) Forwarded message: From contzen Tue Sep 12 09:26:15 1995 Subject: Re: Off color... To: meba@cso.com Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 09:26:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <199509110934.JAA09130@cso.com> from "Matt Bittner" at Sep 11, 95 09:36:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 459 > On 8 Sep 95 at 20:14, Steve VanDevender muttered: > > > "Matt Bittner" writes: > > > ...unless you have a great TV. Anybody else looking forward to the > > > premier of "Pinky & the Brain" this Sunday? Probably the best > > > animated characters yet. ZOT! > This is truly the best _current_ animation series. Unless you count > The Tick, as well... > > > Matt the best animation series of all time being, of course, Danger Mouse. :) kevin ------------------------------ From: Richard Holmes Date: Tue, 12 Sep 95 09:50:13 -0700 Subject: Re: songs that make me cry Jessica writes: >What brought this us was that heather nova's song "sugar" made me cry >this weekend. I was driving along at high speeds as I generally do, >singing along to the album, which I've grown extremely fond of. This >one expresses so well some feelings I've had that have been too strong >and difficult to express to have ever done so well or often enough and >thus there's still a lot of very strong emotion in me. Sometimes when >I'm singing the song, if i'm alone and really letting myself be in >touch with what I'm saying/expressing, the fact that i'm expressing >something really in _me_ that makes me very very sad can make me cry. What's really strange is when I listen to a song and It has a *really* strong emotional impact (crying or not), and you just can't place the emotion, really... but it is still really strong! Does this ever happen to others? >This reminded me that I cried more than once while singing Alanis >Morisette's song "you oughtta know". Bet you didn't tihnk it was that >deep. :) heh. It seems to be a very powerful song, and connect to very many people and emotions, hence its popularity. I always thought that it was maybe just because it expresses what so many might *want* to say, but it isn't "correct"... but I really think it goes further. For instance, I actually *saw* the video (rare 'cuz I don't turn on the tube much)... but at first I didn't know quite what to make of it. After watching the recording I made of it, I had various interesting thoughts about it... one of them goes as this... The guy must have racked up some serious karma (or whatever you want to call it) to piss her off so much, no not just piss her off, but get her to perform this burningly intense invocation, a cataclysmic purging of emotions... I had visions of her and her band in an ecstatic state of very focused energy, raising some "serious Juju" -- hurricaines blowing, fires reaching to the sky, that driving, relentless energy that seems like it would follow someone to the ends of the earth until satisfied, etc... well, really its bringing his own actions back to him, such that he can "have the opportunity" to experience some of the pain he himself caused. (this is just *one* aspect... I don't want to blather on all day about it). But, it really annoys me when Top-40-Alt-Tern-Nut-ive or Modern Rock station DJs just try to dismiss her as "psycho music" and laugh her off... the guys especially seem to do this, whereas the (few) female DJs just play her music without much comment one way or another (well, it goes to reason, not wanting to align themselves too much with the "psycho bitch" of modern rock =8^). Sometimes I detect some of the djs are just a little uncomfortable about the song... perhaps they feel some of that juju themselves :) I have her CD, and some of it is pretty deep in a no-nonsense, straight-forward sort of way. Amazing. She doesn't mince words, but there is some wisdom there beyond her years. >Well what got to me about that one was that I know I have made someone >feel the way she does in that song. At least certain parts of it. To >have hurt someone that much, that way, .. the song is so accurate in >spots I can not help but feel in my mind this other person expressing >this pain, and it still hurts _me_ that I could hurt another person >who I truly did love, that much. Well, I bet you're not going to do *that* again - I certainly didn't. I think its part of our nature that most of us have to learn the hard way... I certainly do most of the time. I'm sure that you are capable of greater love and compassion as a result... it sounds trite, but really we grow so much deeper from all our experiences, and in some ways especially those painful ones... I think also songs can get us in touch with things that we *haven't* personally experienced, at least not that way or that severely. >So some lyrics, some songs, _have_ made me cry. But they have not done >so on their own, they do so by letting me express/feel the emotions >I have insde myself that come from my own actions and experiences. > > --jessica I've also cried when I haven't experienced those particular situations, but the poem is just *that* intense. Some of the remarkable poetry by our own ecto subscriber, Neile Graham, comes to mind. - -Richard. ------------------------------ From: "Matt Bittner" Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 12:08:00 -0500 Subject: Re: emotionally charged songs... On 12 Sep 95 at 10:41, Laurel Krahn muttered: > Then there are times just when music is so good, particularly when you're at > a really good concert or sitting there with musicians jamming... that it > becomes an emotional experience somehow. Transcends just being a cool > musical event... There was only one song that ever brought me to tears. "This Woman's Work" actually has deeper meaning now, than ever. Seeing again _She's Having A Baby_, and during the part where they play TWW definitely strikes a chord for me. The biggest difference between then movie and real life, I was in the operating room while it happend. Granted, everything turned out great in the end, but at the time my wife was going through it, it was very difficult remaining "composed". Actually, the way I can tell a song "moves" me, is when I get "goose bumps". See, it's happening now, while I'm listening to "Full Circle" by Loreena McKennitt. Other times it has happend: during any Sousa march (I used to play trombone in marching band, so I used to play those); during the opening of "Carmina Burana" that the Omaha Symphony and Opera Omaha performed a few years ago; when they _finally_ played Jewel on the local station; Handel's _Messiah_ live; etc. etc. Mainly live events will get to me, but there are occasions when the "recorded medium" will do it as well. Ah well, until the next "goose bump", Matt - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Matthew Bittner WW1 Modeler, ecto subscriber, new dad, meba@cso.com PowerBuilder developer; Omaha, Nebraska "It must be inordinately taxing to be such a boob." - Brain - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ ------------------------------ From: Damon Harper Date: Tue, 12 Sep 95 10:41 PDT Subject: hector zazou's "chansons des mers froides" >BTW, on a musical note, has anyone yet mentioned here the Hector Zazou album >"Songs From The Cold Seas", which features songs sung by Bjork, Jane Siberry, >Siouxsie, Suzanne Vega and John Cale, as well as contributions from the likes >of Brendan Perry, Harold Budd and the redoubtable Budgie? If so, err, sorry. >:) >If not, it's a 1994 release on Sony (France) which has just been released in >Australia. Hector's ode to Jane Siberry in the booklet is priceless...! yup... it was mentioned quite a bit a while back, though i missed a lot of the discussion. anyway, i have it (the original french version - there is an english one out) and recommend it to anyone! an *excellent* album, chock full of performances by god-like artists, and great music! :) also you didn't mention va:rttina, who sing on the opening track, and who, i know, are at least somewhat ectophilic. though i've never heard anything by them before myself - now i'd be quite interested in doing so, however, after listening to "chansons des mers froides" (songs from the cold seas). same goes for siouxsie and the banshees. hector has another one out that i know of, "sahara blue", for which i've been looking ever since i heard it - the first song is performed by anneli marion drecker, of bel canto, whose voice and style i lovelovelove. can't remember who else is on it though. kevin? want to share? :) take care damon (who has actually been listening to chansons again many many times over the last few days...) _/\_ Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca __\ /__ "Doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo, Vancouver, BC, CANADA \ / doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo." |/||\| - The Cranberries, http://www.dfw.net/~soulmate/damon/paukarut.html "Ode To My Family" ------------------------------ From: mfgr@bart.nl (Marcel Rijs) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 19:53:50 -0100 Subject: Re: The Blue Nile Matt Bittner" (meba@cso.com) wrote: >Anybody know what happened to The Blue Nile? I'm currently listening >to _A Walk Across the Rooftops_, and was wondering. The only two >records I know of are this, and _Hats_. Anybody have anyother word? > >This would definitely be ectofodder. Great music, and yes - to keep >the thread going :-) - wonderful lyrics. Sure! I heard they're set to release a new album right about now! At least, that was what Virgin Megastore claimed a month ago at their space in CompuServe. It may have been postponed, but it should be out in September. I'll keep the list informed if I hear more about it. I checked at Virgin yesterday and evry info about the Blue Nile has magically disappeared. I do hope the CD is still set to be released... For those interested in a little background info: The Blue Nile is a threepiece, consisting of Paul Buchanan (voices), Paul Moore & Robert Bell. They debuted in 1981 with the rather obscure single "I love this life", a nice track to play when you're happy, by the way. Released on RSO records, this single is now nearly impossible to find and I was glad I could get it last year in London, and the dealer didn't know what he was selling.... The track is typical synthpop in a style similar to Depeche Mode at that time. The album "A walk across the rooftops" was released in 1984, which was not a natural progression: the synthesizers were still there, but any beat to be found in "I love this life" had gone. The sounds were very weird and the songs often very silent. The somewhat sad vocals of Paul carried the whole album, and the best-known track "Tinseltown in the rain" became a classic almost instantly. Two tracks were released on single: First 'Stay', then 'Tinseltown'. The latter had some chart success, and the former was then re-released in the UK. (I don't know if it became a hit that time). Here in Holland, 'Tinseltown' went into the charts 6 months after its release. The 12" of 'Tinseltown' features a beautiful ballad called 'Regret'; the saddest song I know. Sadly, it was never released on any CD as far as I know. They took an incredible five years to make 'Hats', another collection of beautiful, quiet songs, although these particular seven tracks were, IMO at least, more 'filled', and overall had a more textured feel to them. 'The downtown lights', the first single of 'Hats', was recently covered by Annie Lennox on her 'Medusa' album. The original is better! This single, and the other two releases 'Headlights on the parade' and 'Saturday night', never ended up in the charts, but they did bring us, the humble audience, some extra tracks: 'The wires are down' (another sad song, featuring the beautiful reflection: "Even the wires are down"), "Easter parade", a version of the track from their first album, now sung with Rickie Lee Jones, and an instrumental piece called "Our lives". All the songs they released are great stuff for hot summer nights and relaxation. It is not new age, but it is nice, calm music. In recent years they collaborated with a.o. Maire Brennan ("Big yellow taxi", on Misty eyed adventures) and Annie Lennox ("The gift", on Diva). Frontman Paul Buchanan also appeared on French TV a couple of months ago to perform a duet with (again) Annie Lennox. I still kick myself for not having my VCR ready for that. If you are looking for great music, you _have_ to buy the Blue Nile. This is the sort of music that showcases the abilities of the Compact Disc medium at its best! Marcel F G Rijs "Conan the librarian" CAN NOW BE REACHED AT: mfgr@bart.nl and 100276.2176@compuserve.com ****************************************************************************** "Tori Amos Covered" -- e-mail now to order! "Kate Bush Covered" -- e-mail now to participate! ------------------------------ From: VNozick@tribune.com Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 13:18:40 -0700 Subject: Music vs. Lyrics again First of all, this is one of the most interesting threads on ecto in a long time. And there's no shortage of interesting threads on ecto. :) A question for those of us who are music people. Can you stand dancing to industrial music? (all beat, few, if any lyrics. The ones that exist are inane, IMO). I'm a lyrics person, and I've found that it's impossible for me to dance to any song I can't sing along to. It's a quirk, I know...but I just can't do it. And I love to dance. ==> Valerie ------------------------------ From: ariel_b@pipeline.com (Ariel Brennan) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 1995 15:23:27 -0400 Subject: Re: lyrics vs. music On Sep 12, 1995 02:14:37, 'abehrend@Direct.CA (Ariane Behrend)' wrote: >I've always considered myself more of a lyrics person, but this discussion has >made me question that position somewhat. Especially with regard to Sarah... I >think she is one of the artists I have really enjoyed without thinking too much >about lyrics. That's interesting; Sarah's one of the artists who's lyrics will make me swoon. >Then a friend of mine recently mentioned that she considers her >lyrics to be 'fluff', and upon listening to her with that in mind, I am tempted >to agree with her, though I resisted at first... Some songs are more 'fluffy' >than others of course (whatever that actually means, though I think I know how >she meant it)... But this is where I think the importance of music, and, in >Sarah's case, I think especially *delivery*/ emotional expression comes in. As >David Dalton (ex of this list, but he has decided to concentrate on his thesis >for a while - eek :)) put it (he, incidentally, is a huge fan of hers), Sarah's >songs would sound trite if he sang them, but she makes them sound infinately >more meaningful... I agree that probably only sarah could make the line "your >love is better than ice cream" sound somehow profound :) Well, I'd say Ice Cream is kinda fluff, yeah. ;> But, usually, I think Sarah's lyrics are really good, from parts of Touch, to Fumbling. Touch is, yes, very weak at moments, but Out Of The Shadows strikes me as one of the best lyrics I've ever read. And Fumbling/Solace is very good, usually, as well. Cases in point: Black: If I cry me a river of all my confessions, will I drown in my shallow regret? Wait: Pressed up against the glass I found myself wanting sympathy, but to be consumed again I know would be the death of me. Elsewhere: I believe this is heaven to no one else but me, and I'll defend it, long as I can be left here to linger in silence, if I choose to... and so on. A lot of Sarah's lyrics are blunt; they don't go for subtlety, opting instead to just lay it out there for you, but I really do think she phrases them beautifully, and her lyrics have a simple poetry that's missing in many other artists. With Sarah, it's her lyrics, not her voice or music, that keeps me coming back for more. Incidentally, I saw that Dar Williams quote in your .sig. Dar! :) - -Ariel ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #221 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu