From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #213 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Friday, 8 September 1995 Volume 02 : Number 213 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jani Pinola Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 12:53:02 +0300 (EET DST) Subject: Great big hello's to all of ya!!! AND warm'n'squeezy *HUGGGS* to especially YNGVE (I thereby welcome us both) + PHILIP (still as 'sainty' as ever...) + BR!AN the MOO-MOO MAN (it's been TOO long a time) + of course to Yngve's new friend and to all of you lovely ecto-oriented people out (or, as the case might be, in) there! This also happens to be my VERY FIRST posting on the Ecto mailing list, so feel free to grap yourself a drink at the bar on my tab... After all this rather 'un-ecto-related' stuff (hmmm... can you *REALLY* call hugging un-ectoish?!?) I feel compelled to avert my attention towards a bit more musical type-o-commentary. Actually I have a few questions... To be even MORE exact, I'm in need of sheet music & lyrics of ecto-related artists, 'cause, you see, we're kinda putting together an acoustic kinda folkish band of sorts, and we're desperately lacking in nice tunes to practice, in order to launch our not-so-serious career, if I may say so. Oh sure, I can always transcribe the songs from tapes & CDs, but still, it would save a lot of time and effort. So, to cut a long whine short, if any of you happen to know where to find a source for such a pieces of interest, I would be ever so grateful. BTW, a friend of mine (our new lead vocalist) has a *beautiful* alto-ish soprano voice, much like a certain rather joyous artist-friend of ours is blessed to have... i can't wait to hear her sing 'No-one here'... Oh well, time to quit babbling and have a haircut... see you all around (in the good ol' (!) IRC, perhaps?) :) Love, Jantsu ______________________________________________________________________________ Jani Pinola, Hakkitie 7, 90230 OULU, FINLAND. Tel.: +358-(9)81-338872 jpinola@phoenix.oulu.fi * jpinola@zombie.oulu.fi * Jonquil @ IRC 65N 01'10" 25E 32'50" (GMT+2) On the series of semi-music-related quotes we proudly present: Azhural raised his staff. "It's fifteen hundred miles to Ankh-Morpork," he said. "We've got three hundred and sixty-three elephants, fifty carts of forage, the monsoon's about to break and we're wearing... we're wearing... sort of things, like glass, only dark... dark glass things on our eyes..." -- (Terry Pratchett, Moving Pictures) ------------------------------ From: Dave Cook Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 18:48:36 +0800 (WST) Subject: Re: IRC is dead; long live IRC? On Wed, 6 Sep 1995, Robert Lovejoy wrote: > Say, #ecto is a wasteland these daze. Not even idiots there. Perhaps it is > safe to meet there again? While I was but an occasional visitor, it was > nice to drop in and meet ectophiles live and in person. And now it appears > the MUD has fallen away (or has it?)(it was empty last I tried, some months > ago). > > How about it? Anyone want to try IRC again? > A few people from the old #ecto crowd hang out in #indigo-girls (myself included). Although every now and then someone will be in #ecto. Feel free to pop by any time or even /msg me if I am around :) (my IRC nick is in my .sig) > Robert, with a new IRC client and nowhere to go! > > +--------------------------------------+ | Dave Cook Perth, Western Australia | | Internet: davecook@yarrow.wt.com.au | | IRC on #Indigo-Girls as Cevad | +--------------------------------------+ ------------------------------ From: "Sage Lunsford & Todd O'Reilly" Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 12:11:03 -0400 Subject: random blatherings Morning, everyone! :) >i just got jane's new album (finally, man everyone on siblings >was talking about it, while piddly me had to wait until it actually came >out!). like everyone said, JAZZ. This weekend I bought "When I Was a Boy" solely because I'd seen it discussed here and while I like it, it's not something I've listened to more than twice. Too...ethereal, or something...? The Story: >good nonetheless. i really miss the harmonizations. i mean that is what >makes the story. I miss them too -- I've always said that the ultimate musical group would be made up of 4 women, with harmonies that make me cry, and lyrics that tell a story. Any suggestions? :) I knew before I got the CD that it would be different, so I'm just looking upon it as an album by a group that I haven't heard before, if that makes any sense. >>yeah, with the leaving of jennifer, i'm kinda mystified why she decided >>to retain the name. i've heard that she kept the name for purely >>recognition value, and that she her next album will be released just It looks kind of silly, doesn't it? >Is that filed under Brooke, or Story? I tried to find it under Story, but >had no luck. The CD store where I found it had it filed under Story. >I've always considered the lyrics more important than the beat, is this >usual with ecto folks, I wonder? >>not really in my case. lyrics are the last thing (usually) to sink into [...snip...] >>i don't understand what she's singing or can't understand her meaning - >>i just don't retain the words until i have listened to a lyrically >>complex song quite a bit. Really? Interesting! So what attracts you to a song in the first place? I mean, if you hear it for the first time on the radio, for example. >Another interesting thing I heard lately is that Jennifer Kimball is going to >be singing backup for Patty Larkin on Larkin's current tour. Interesting, >especially in light of the fact that the reason Jennifer reportedly left The >Story was because she was sick and tired of touring, hm? Hmmm....that *is* weird. These are some of the things it says in some articles I read on The Story web page, which is here: http://www.cs.umd.edu/users/rager/Story/ *************************** Interview: I'll get this out of the way first. It's been over six months since Jennifer left the group. How are things between both of you? What has she been up to lately? I think Jenn has been chilling, working on her art, taking care of her really cool house, and her really cool dog, and having a real life with her husband. We sang on Patty Larkin's forthcoming Album. That was nice to harmonize a bit. ************************** Different interview: Will you still be The Story, or are you going to change your name? I think I'll be Jonatha Brooke and the Story just to make the transition but not lose the name recognition. ************************** Article: They both felt the parting coming for some time. Increasingly, as Brooke explored and gained confidence in her own voice - both musically and lyrically - she began following her own vision. Kimball, not only a gifted singer and performer but a talented visual artist, began feeling the need to follow her own muse. She had no intention of becoming the Art Garfunkel of the 90s. "It was very hard for Jennifer to be on the outskirts creatively," said Brooke. "for me, I have such a clear, uncompromising vision of what I want to hear and what I want to play and what direction I'm taking, that, little by little, I don't think there was room for Jennifer to play as important a role as she had." *************************** >I've always considered the lyrics more important than the beat, is this >usual with ecto folks, I wonder? >>With me, definitely. Lyrics are always the first thing I notice and latch >>onto. Oh good :) I'm glad I'm not the only one. Most of the people I know make fun of me for loving musicals (the post-1975 ones) but one of the reasons I really love them is that it's all lyrics, all singing and very little instrumentation. >first time that we listened to this, we didn't recognize the band at >all. we were mightily embarrased when we realized who it was. >>woj is, of course, using the "royal we" here. I knew damn well who it was -- *grin* My sweetie tends to call me on using the royal we too. - -Sage, who needs more coffee _________________________________________________ Sage (the Galactic Web Empress), Todd, eight feline cohorts and the Web Empire: http://www.dfw.net/~soulmate/ sagetodd@postoffice.ptd.net When I get email, my computer yells, "I am the Lizard Queen!" ------------------------------ From: ariel_b@pipeline.com (Ariel Brennan) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 14:26:21 -0400 Subject: Re: random blatherings On Sep 07, 1995 12:11:03, '"Sage Lunsford & Todd O'Reilly" ' wrote: >This weekend I bought "When I Was a Boy" solely because I'd seen it >discussed here and while I like it, it's not something I've listened to more >than twice. Too...ethereal, or something...? When I Was A Boy takes some getting used to. It's not a very accessible work, but once you've gotten into it, it's in your blood and won't get out. ;) How one gets into a song: >Really? Interesting! So what attracts you to a song in the first place? I >mean, if you hear it for the first time on the radio, for example. I'm one of the lyric people, but I do know that most people tend to get into the music and the beat before the lyrics. That's why so many really popular songs have such pathetic lyrics. Me, I CAN'T enjoy a song without good lyrics, whereas good lyrics can turn a song from one on my hate list to one one my "Drooool" list. Ariel ------------------------------ From: ariel_b@pipeline.com (Ariel Brennan) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 14:28:58 -0400 Subject: Re: IRC is dead; long live IRC? On Sep 07, 1995 18:48:36, 'Dave Cook ' wrote: >A few people from the old #ecto crowd hang out in #indigo-girls (myself >included). But what if you're not an indigo girls fan? ;> Ariel ------------------------------ From: Date: 07 Sep 95 15:12:47 EDT Subject: SOS: ascap and bmi info sought I am looking for the telephone numbers of ASCAP and BMI. Alternately, what do the letters stand for? American Society for Copyright and Patents???? (not!) Please send me email if you have any info. Thanks! - -mjm ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 13:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Steeleye Span For an interesting tale about the recent 25th Anniversary Steeleye Span show, check out http://www.u-net.com/houston/steeleye.htm From what the author says, it sounds as though Gay Woods (who was on the first album, _Hark the Village Wait_) will be joining them again. I will definitely be looking forward to new recordings, judging from talk of the new lineup. And who knows--maybe the missing albums will be re-issued if this sparks new interest in the band. - --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ From: Richard Holmes Date: Thu, 7 Sep 95 14:07:18 -0700 Subject: Re: random blatherings ariel_b@pipeline.com (Ariel Brennan) writes: >On Sep 07, 1995 12:11:03, '"Sage Lunsford & Todd O'Reilly" >' wrote: > >>This weekend I bought "When I Was a Boy" solely because I'd seen it >>discussed here and while I like it, it's not something I've listened >>to more than twice. Too...ethereal, or something...? > >When I Was A Boy takes some getting used to. It's not a very >accessible work, but once you've gotten into it, it's in your blood >and won't get out. ;) > Of all of jane's albums, I'd say that "When I Was A Boy" really connects to me, and did the very first time I listened. I haven't heard her latest, but for me, nothing of hers compares. I think both the ethereal quality, as well as the lyrics, appeal. The lyrics seem to speak on many levels, and touch the very core of human experience. I also have "The Walking" which I play much less. >How one gets into a song: >>Really? Interesting! So what attracts you to a song in the first >>place? I >>mean, if you hear it for the first time on the radio, for example. > >I'm one of the lyric people, but I do know that most people tend to >get into the music and the beat before the lyrics. That's why so many >really popular songs have such pathetic lyrics. Me, I CAN'T enjoy a >song without good lyrics, whereas good lyrics can turn a song from one >on my hate list to one one my "Drooool" list. > I think lyrics first, if I can understand enough of them to be intrigued. Otherwise, I have to get hooked into by the beat, textures, harmony, vocals, etc, before I bother to listen to it closely or read the lyrics. I've bought songs based on their lyrics, never hearing them. Jane Siberry's "When I Was A Boy" was partially lyrics on web sites, and partially because people here liked it so much. Her earlier stuff, however, I just don't get grabbed by the lyrics. Sort of like early Kate Bush vs. "Hounds of Love"... but both HoL and WIWAB are musical departures from the earlier styles as well. I think there is a market for music like KB's HoL and JS's WIWAB that snaps these up, thereby propelling the artist to sell more albums than their prior following. Then long-time fans refer to them as the albums that "crossed over" to mainstream, which really, is kind of a skewed way of looking at it... they just got weird enough in a certain way that all the other weirdos (like me) finally had someone tell them about it... I sometimes can listen to songs with bad lyrics, but probably wouldn't buy them... Some songs I've actually liked until I heard the lyrics, which I now can't stand. I too have "changed my tune" when I've heard a song which initially didn't appeal musically, but the lyrics were compelling. >Ariel - -Richard ------------------------------ From: Neile Graham Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 14:35:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Lyrics vs. Music Wow--I'm the exact opposite to most of you. For me it's the sound first and then the lyrics. Good lyrics (like Jane's) add to the magic to me, and really awful lyrics can sometimes ruin a song for me--but mediocre music always will. Part of the problem is that most lyrics don't seem that interesting to me--so many are built either of cliches or stream of consciousness stuff that doesn't add up to much. Sometimes the music can fill in the blanks on the stream of consciousness type of lyrics--that's why Jane's and Tori's songs work so well for me--but mostly it doesn't. If I concentrate too much on lyrics I mostly get annoyed or disappointed, so I only really study them if I know I already love the music. Jewel is an exception to me for this--I wasn't wildly fond of her music, but her clever lyrics wormed their way into my heart. - --Neile neile@u.washington.edu ------------------------------ From: mcb@postmodern.com (Michael C. Berch) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 14:42:19 -0700 Subject: Re: SOS: ascap and bmi info sought MJM@zylab.mhs.compuserve.com writes: > I am looking for the telephone numbers of ASCAP and BMI. Alternately, > what do the letters stand for? > > American Society for Copyright and Patents???? (not!) ASCAP = American Society of Composers, Authors, and Performers. They're in New York at (212) 621-6318, and have a Web page at http://204.252.42.2/ascap/. BMI = Broadcast Music, Inc. They're also in New York at (800) 800-9313, and on the Web at http://rep.edge.net/. - -- Michael C. Berch mcb@postmodern.com ------------------------------ From: ariel_b@pipeline.com (Ariel Brennan) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 17:53:07 -0400 Subject: Re: random blatherings On Sep 07, 1995 14:07:18, 'Richard Holmes ' wrote: >Of all of jane's albums, I'd say that "When I Was A Boy" really >connects to me, and did the very first time I listened. Honestly, the first time I heard WIWAB, I... didn't like it. But that's what happened with Tori Amos and Kate Bush and Sarah McLachlan, too. So, when I get an album and don't like it, I try to listen it a lot for a while, to see if it'll hook me. Although, honestly, I can usually tell if it'll hook on the first listen, even if it doesn't. But I digress, back to Jane. I've only heard two of her albums ("Jane Siberry" and "WIWAB"), but I also listened to some others on an I -Station. I admit it. None of them take me like WIWAB. Ah well. > I haven't >heard her latest, but for me, nothing of hers compares. I think both >the ethereal quality, as well as the lyrics, appeal. The lyrics seem >to speak on many levels, and touch the very core of human experience. Jane's lyrics never really impressed me. The meanings are nice, but I'm not fond of the way she uses words; too repetitive. Like in Love Is Everything; she says "Maybe it was to" like 50 times. >>How one gets into a song: >>I'm one of the lyric people, but I do know that most people tend to >>get into the music and the beat before the lyrics. That's why so many >>really popular songs have such pathetic lyrics. Me, I CAN'T enjoy a >>song without good lyrics, whereas good lyrics can turn a song from one >>on my hate list to one one my "Drooool" list. >> >I think lyrics first, if I can understand enough of them to be >intrigued. Otherwise, I have to get hooked into by the beat, >textures, harmony, vocals, etc, before I bother to listen to it >closely or read the lyrics. See, I really CAN'T get hooked by the beat. The music itself is irrelevant until I know the subject matter and lyrics. Now, once I know the lyrics and what not, I can start to appreciate the music, and the music can only enhance the experiance. On the other hand, music CAN repell me. If a song's music is REALLY bad to me, I can't get into it even if it's got great words. I can appreciate the lyrics, but I can't get into it. >I've bought songs based on their lyrics, never hearing them. Hmmm.... I've never done that. I've bought albums based on hearing one song and liking the lyrics (Like Alanis Morissette's. Musically it did nothing for me, but I heard the words, and THEY hooked me. Bought album, and then began to appreciate the music.) I've bought albums based on recommendations (mostly from here. :P), but never on lyrics. >Sort of like early Kate Bush vs. "Hounds of Love"... but both >HoL and WIWAB are musical departures from the earlier styles as well. The Dreaming! Can you honestly say The Dreaming was done in the style of The Kick Inside, Never For Ever and Lionheart? It's not! It was at The Dreaming that Kate began to depart from her early style! >I think there is a market for music like KB's HoL and JS's WIWAB that >snaps these up, thereby propelling the artist to sell more albums than >their prior following. Then long-time fans refer to them as the >albums that "crossed over" to mainstream, which really, is kind of a >skewed way of looking at it... they just got weird enough in a certain >way that all the other weirdos (like me) finally had someone tell them >about it... Actually, The Dreaming is weird. Hounds of Love *is* pretty heavy mainstream, IMO. Not as mainstream as, say, The Red Shoes, but it is REALLY mainstream, compared to, say, The Dreaming... Can you tell I'm a big Dreaming fan? Never liked HoL much; it doesn't even come in second on my "Kate To Die For" list (The Sensual World hits second, followed by Red Shoes, then HoL) >I sometimes can listen to songs with bad lyrics, but probably wouldn't >buy them... Me neither. I wish someone had warned me that Nan Vernon's lyrics are so mediocre; I'd've never bought the album. I never listen to it. >Some songs I've actually liked until I heard the lyrics, >which I now can't stand. I can't recall that happening to me, although I'm sure it could :) >I too have "changed my tune" when I've heard >a song which initially didn't appeal musically, but the lyrics were >compelling. There ya go. >:) Doesn't work with truly bad songs, though. - -A ------------------------------ From: Philip Sainty Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 09:55:31 +1200 Subject: Re: random blatherings Sage .sig'd: > When I get email, my computer yells, "I am the Lizard Queen!" gosh, "beep" sounds so dull now... ;) ------------------------------ From: piquet the cat Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 10:10:57 +1000 (EST) Subject: Re: random blatherings On Fri, 8 Sep 1995, Philip Sainty wrote: > Sage .sig'd: > > > When I get email, my computer yells, "I am the Lizard Queen!" > > gosh, "beep" sounds so dull now... ;) fili! o fiiiiiiiliiiiiiiiiii...... :) I can just see your next /away msg on IRC.... "*** fili is away: but yell the punchline from a TV scene and he'll come straight back!" Hey guys, let's set a time and all get together on IRC! #ecto revival (not that it's *rully* been dead lately, *rully*... :) *grins and comma keys* sherlyn =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= piquet the cat (piquet@geko.com.au). also known as sherlyn koo (sherlyn@geko.com.au). "... pray, in your darkness, for wings to set you free..." - Melissa Etheridge ------------------------------ From: Philip Sainty Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 12:36:19 +1200 Subject: Re: random blatherings Ariel writes: > How one gets into a song: > I'm one of the lyric people, but I do know that most people tend to > get into the music and the beat before the lyrics. That's why so many > really popular songs have such pathetic lyrics. Me, I CAN'T enjoy a > song without good lyrics, whereas good lyrics can turn a song from one > on my hate list to one one my "Drooool" list. This is one of the reasons I love Ecto so much, because with the music being the most immediate aspect of most songs, it's the music that grabs my attention first (not all of the time, but most of the time). But the lyrics are usually important in the long term and so I find that Ecto does the job of 'grabbing my attention' before I hear the music :) > See, I really CAN'T get hooked by the beat. The music itself is > irrelevant until I know the subject matter and lyrics. Now, once I > know the lyrics and what not, I can start to appreciate the music, > and the music can only enhance the experiance. But beautiful music with weak lyrics are possible as are beautiful lyrics with weak music. The best songs, naturally, have both, and I guess most people differ on the degree to which they can appreciate the others. (Well, that's probably a very flawed statement, as what's good and what's bad is all a matter of opinion :) > On the other hand, music CAN repell me. If a song's music is REALLY > bad to me, I can't get into it even if it's got great words. I can > appreciate the lyrics, but I can't get into it. I'd say I lean to the other side, whereby I can ignore the words and concentrate on the music (incl. the vocals, which are particularly important to me). (And similarly to your comment, wonderful music with REALLY bad lyrics makes a song a lost cause in my case...) Philip _ _ ___ _ _ _ (_ / | / \ |_) |_| | | (_ Philip Sainty (_ \_ | \_/ | | | | |_ (_ ectophil@comp.vuw.ac.nz - -------------------------------------------------------------- "This is where I want to be, this is what I need." --Kate Bush ------------------------------ From: Vickie the Ectophile Date: Thu, 7 Sep 1995 22:26:17 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Welcome back! Welcome back to Troy, Marcel, Yngve, and anyone else returning from the school break! **HUGS** to you all. We're getting ready to move upstairs (and across the hall) on Monday. Chris is in Kansas City on business until Sunday so I've been doing all the packing myself. That's why I'm behind with my welcome backs. It's good to see you guys again! Vickie ------------------------------ From: Damon Harper Date: Thu, 7 Sep 95 22:16 PDT Subject: Re: Lyrics vs. Music... or music vs lyrics if you like neile said: >Wow--I'm the exact opposite to most of you. For me it's the sound first >and then the lyrics. Good lyrics (like Jane's) add to the magic to me, >and really awful lyrics can sometimes ruin a song for me--but mediocre >music always will. neile, i'm with you i guess :) i'm generally initially attracted by the music; the beat, the melodies, the harmonies, the textures... etc. i guess i'm just lucky that the really interesting music usually goes with thoughtful lyrics. actually, different things attract me to different artists or pieces; with kate, for instance, i find it's definitely both, which is probably what makes her my favourite artist. i mean, "houdini" still brings tears to my eyes no matter *how* many times i hear it, and "get out of my house" gives me nasty things crawling up my back every time. and with both of those, it's the way she manages to say everything through both the lyrics *and* the music. houdini is the tragic search, and longing, and remembering... and the music reflects that *so* well. and house is just creepy on all counts :) i find that's true with most of kate's music, especially the middle period stuff. with other artists, it can often be one or the other, and like everyone else has said, one or the other (music or lyrics) can often ruin or make a piece for me; *but* i'd say i lean more towards the music side than the lyric. i guess i'm moved more by the sounds than by the intellectual or emotional stuff behind it. or in front of it, depending on your perspective. voice is of course a large part of this sound :) like for instance, i have a couple of peter cetera's albums, simply because i really like his voice (some "chopped-off" quality about it, is how i describe it - debbie gibson has it too, but i hate her music so much the voice can never compensate :P ) - - though those never really get listened to either. a few good songs, but most of it commercial pap. still love his voice though - if i were of a different persuasion, i'd melt for a voice like that. >Jewel is an exception to me for this--I wasn't wildly fond of her music, >but her clever lyrics wormed their way into my heart. hmmm... they still haven't wormed their way into mine. but then i think i was somewhat put off by her music (it's not bad, but...) and never got to the stage where i really got my brain around her lyrics. so she's consigned to my "tori" section - the artists i like to an extent, but never really listen to. why's tori in there? her lyrics don't work for me. i love piano music, but somehow the majority of tori's songs just don't click with me - as far as lyrics do go, i find i like lyrics that tell a story - a fictitious one, or an artist's interpretation of a true one - more than lyrics that deal more with raw emotion or with down-to-earth sort of events. again, this is a generalisation, and a pretty inacurate one, but i think it's why i adore kate and don't care terribly much for tori (though "winter" is a transcendent song :) oh, and i know some of tori's songs are stories in that sense too, but i guess the other thing i don't like is the abstract nature of her tellings... the story doesn't have to make sense, really, but i like imagery in a more concrete manner than tori does it. hmmm... was that at all clear to anyone? that said... please, tori fans, don't bug me about it. i like what i like :P and ariel wrote: >Hmmm.... I've never done that. I've bought albums based on hearing one song >and liking the lyrics (Like Alanis Morissette's. Musically it did nothing >for me, but I heard the words, and THEY hooked me. Bought album, and then >began to appreciate the music.) I've bought albums based on recommendations >(mostly from here. :P), but never on lyrics. heh... alanis is another "both" for me, i think. i bought the album on ectommendation, cold, never having heard a single song... both the music and the lyrics grabbed me right away. :) >It was at The Dreaming that Kate began to depart from her early style! > uh-uh... it was *definitely* nfe. the kick inside and lionheart sound basically the same - i like them both, but certainly not as much as later stuff - but never for ever is where she started to get *really* interesting. the dreaming was a continuation of that. imo, of course :) >Can you tell I'm a big Dreaming fan? Never liked HoL much; it doesn't even >come in second on my "Kate To Die For" list (The Sensual World hits second, >followed by Red Shoes, then HoL) *laugh* for me it's hard to say... depends on my mood. probably td, then hol, then tsw/nfe, then tki, then trs, lh. something like that. ask me on another day and i'll say something different :) in fact, ask me in two minutes and i'll say something different. and, finally, philip summed up: >I'd say I lean to the other side, whereby I can ignore the words and >concentrate on the music (incl. the vocals, which are particularly >important to me). (And similarly to your comment, wonderful music >with REALLY bad lyrics makes a song a lost cause in my case...) ah-ha! that's what i was trying to say. er, partly :) oh, and sherlyn (a late and belated welcome!, and a few smooches to go with it :) said - >Hey guys, let's set a time and all get together on IRC! #ecto >revival (not that it's *rully* been dead lately, *rully*... :) no, it hasn't rully been dead. and yes, let's! as soon as i figure out what the hell's going on at school here... :P take care damon (who is still trying desperately to organise his life into some sort of coherent, regular pattern again...) ps - kevin, speaking of music that doesn't get listened to - that _les miserables_ soundtrack highlights thingy is *nowhere* near as good as the one james has... different cast i guess, but it's very disappointing after hearing the other... _/\_ Damon_Harper@mindlink.bc.ca __\ /__ "Doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo, Vancouver, BC, CANADA \ / doo doo doo doo, doo doo doo doo." |/||\| - The Cranberries, http://www.dfw.net/~soulmate/damon/paukarut.html "Ode To My Family" ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #213 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu