From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #206 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Thursday, 31 August 1995 Volume 02 : Number 206 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Joseph Zitt" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 23:27:49 +0000 Subject: Re: Books: Hugo winners On 29 Aug 95 at 0:20, Greg Dunn wrote: > Yeah, but what a woman! Lois is a tremendous person (we've known her for Not only that, but Lois McMaster Bujold wins hands down the "Edna Si. Vincent Millay Award for being the Writer Most Likely to Appear in a Limerick." - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ==== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Organizer, SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List \|| |/Joe Zitt's Home Page\| ------------------------------ From: Neal Copperman Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 00:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: jewel at the ballpark The short version of my evening: I actually attended my first Orioles game, albeit quite briefly. I was psyched that my $5 bleacher seat gave me free reign of the stadium, so I headed straight for home plate. And just behind home plate, in an honorary #99 Orioles shirt, sat an incredibly nervous looking Jewel. We chatted a bit (no local shows surrounding her visit, really glad to be done with the Peter Murphy tour), and then I left her alone. I was amused to see her update the crib sheet to the National Anthem she had jotted on her hand. (It consisted only of the last words of the lines.) I guess she didn't realize they were going to display them in giant lights on the scoreboard in front of her. Not that she used either, as she got most of the way through the song with her eyes closed. It was a fantastic version too. Very slow, with just slightly off kilter rhythms. It's apparently an Orioles tradition (that someone had tipped Jewel off about) to shout out when you get to the "Oh", and she finally opened her eyes and smiled at that point. Anyway, the crowd seemed pretty receptive, and they followed the anthem with the single "Who WIll Save Your Souls" (not live though, and not credited). I watched all of one at-bat, and figured that should do me for another 10 years of baseball. I think it's funny that it took Jewel to actually get me into Camden yards. I marvelled at the whole ritualistic nature of the game, and could feel all the energy bouncing around the stadium. If I'd remembered a book, I might even have considered staying, rather than heading out to see Clueless (which walked a fine line between being too cute and being quite clever, with clever usually winning out) and Fun (which occasionally missed it's mark, but not often. As the story of two teenagers with a history of abuse, who meet, instantly bond, and then kill someone, it was generally disturbing and intriguing. The lead actresses were stunning, totally convincing as the troubled teens.) You can tell I'm travelling again tomorrow. Packing usually inspires me to go out on the town. So jeffy, what was on the tape of the morning radio appearance? Yeah, yeah, the National Anthem didn't successfully make the transition to tape at all, at least, not my tape :( Must pack now, Neal ------------------------------ From: pink Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 00:35:26 -0500 (EST) Subject: ammee mann,jane siberry,jonatha brooke and the story,lisa loeb well ammee mann's album has been postponed until jan of 1996. imago had problems (as we all know) and they were going to release ammee's album through reprise but at the last minute it was pulled. promo copies of it are floating around though, released by reprise/imago. pity i don't work at my radio station anymore. anyway ammee is supposedly signed now to geffen. let's hope they don't screwy up and dump her too! by the time ammee's album comes out it is going to be, what one, two years old? good grief, she should record another album in the interim and release a double album, or double release, two CD at the same time kinda of thing (ala guns n' roses, or bruce springsteen). damnit i would buy them both! i just got jane's new album (finally, man everyone on siblings was talking about it, while piddly me had to wait until it actually came out!). like everyone said, JAZZ. i like it a lot, but then i like jazz too. real free form. some article (was it the reprise web site?) said her last 20 minute opus (oh my my) was akin to a song that gertrude stein would write and record if she wrote and recorded songs. i can see that. i can see it more on her song begat begat, the way jane plays with words and sounds and rhythms. anyone notice though, that the packaging of the album really looks like something that windham hill would put out? down to the font that is used in writing jane's name out. of course jane used to be on windham hill. funny how things work out that way. when she was on windham hill, she didn't sound anything like a typical windham hill recording artist. when she is on reprise, her album would fit in real well with windham hill. and finally heard the first two song by jonatha brooke and the story. i really miss the other woman who was in it, but it is damn good nonetheless. i really miss the harmonizations. i mean that is what makes the story. BUT jonatha has a gorgeous voice, and her song writing is really good. i have already heard good reviews of it....i wish i had listen to all of it, or bought it, but i instead opted for jane's album and the limited edition box set of the pet shop boys double cd ALTERNATIVE. okay not exactly ecto fair, but they only had one of the limited edition sets, and they had two jonatha brooke cd's, and i only had so much money. no excuse eh? i regret it already, i will probably pick it up tomorrow. *sigh* there goes my paycheck. and finally i heard the new lisa loeb song. parts of it sound kinda like suzanne vega (there is one song in particular it sounds like but it escapes me). ah well. i have one other song by her, as well as a concert by her, and i am looking forward to the album. how is it that for the longest time i couldn't find anything to buy then i go on the spree.... got the solo kendra smith album, and POST by bjork as well. but those are old news. so i won't bore you with my ramblings anymore. irvin ------------------------------ From: Ian Young Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:23:53 +0100 Subject: Re: Kate Bush cover Valerie Nozick wrote: > This question has been bothering me for years... > When I was in college, I remember playing a cover version of Running > Up That Hill by a band, I think from Canada. For some reason I think > it was Blue Rodeo or The Blue Aeroplanes. Anyone know this song? Well, if it was a Canadian band it was more likely to have been Blue Rodeo than The Blue Aeroplanes, if only because the latter band is from Bristol, here in the UK. The Blue Aeroplanes are renowned as a band whose personnel changes faster than some people change their undergarments. People often joke that everyone who plays in a band in the Bristol has been in The Blue Aeroplanes, if only for a day or two. Consulting the web pages (http://www.foresight.co.uk/blueplanes), I find that they've never recorded Running Up That Hill, which is as I thought. Actually the thought of Gerard Langley (assuming it wasn't before his time as lead vocalist) declaiming his way through RUTH is quite funny. They did Paul Simon's Boy In The Bubble once, if that's any help :-) I. ------------------------------ From: meandering honeyb*munch* Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 21:07:10 +1200 (NZST) Subject: A song that's been nagging me lately... Hi folks! I've been bebothered and bewildered about a song that's been going through my head recently. I think the song is from the early 80s, and as far as I know it hasn't been remade. The lyrics for the chorus are like this: "Well I feel like Buddy Holly 'Cause it's raining in my heart All the sad songs take me back Now that we are apart. Now I know how Paul McCartney felt When he sang 'Yesterday'... I wish it was yesterday." Yes, I know, they're very cheesy lyrics. Can anyone help? Urs :) - -- Urs Stafford (stafford_u@ix.wcc.govt.nz, whiskers@mu.sans.vuw.ac.nz) Mail all replies to stafford_u@ix.wcc.govt.nz please! [qlc] ------------------------------ From: Marion Kippers Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 15:23:57 +0200 Subject: RE: Virginia Astley Hi all, Some quick further notes about Virginia Astley... Neil wrote a very interesting message, and said about her album "Hope in a darkened heart": > Only one track reflects her earlier work - "A Summer Long > Since Passed," which is lalas and piano and rural English > bellringing sounds. "A Summer Long Since Passed" can also be found on both "From gardens where we feel secure" _and_ "Promise nothing". It must be a favourite track of hers! :) And about Kate St.John (on the "Gyroscope" compilation): > And... hm... I'm reading the liner > notes and it says she's worked with the Ravishing Beauties, > Dream Academy and Van Morrison. The former is an Astley > connection, I guess! :) Yes, it is indeed. Kate St.John was one of the early members of the Ravishing Beauties. And Vickie wrote: > Thanks Marion for giving some background. I never knew much > about her. You're welcome! :-) Most of the information I have is from an article in a Dutch magazine from February 1983 (after the release of the "A Bao A Que" ep, when she was working on the "From gardens..." album - if anybody is interested I could try and translate (and post) it. There's not much info on the album covers or sleeves. And: > Hey!! Where are you guys getting the lyrics? I can't > understand a word Virginia sings. Doesn't matter...I love > just listening to Virginia's voice. But I've always wanted > to know what the lyrics are. They're not in my CD booklet > or LP sleeve. There are no lyrics on my copies of the albums either. I've only got some of the words of the lyrics for "Futility", the song she contributed to an NME tape and which is also on "Promise nothing". Apparently that is (based on?) a warpoem by somebody who's name I've forgotten at the moment (David Owden??). "We will meet them" is based on the "Kindertotenlieder" (what's the English name for them?) from Gustav Mahler. Virginia was impressed with them, because "they are so sad, they're _more_ than sad". On the chorus for that song she used backing vocals by Pete Townsend's children, BTW (he's her brother in law). > The most recent (uh...1989) thing I know about is one song > on a soundtrack album. The movie/album is called "Lily Was > Here" and Virginia's song (co-written with Dave "Eurythmics" > Stewart) is called "Second Chance" and is very wonderful! Thanks for the reminder - I had forgotten about that one. I'd heard the title track sooo often (featuring 'our own' Dutch Candy Dulfer) that I never payed much attention to the rest of the album. Guess I should have! Over here it's usually filed under soundtracks. Best wishes, Marion ______________________________________________________________ Marion Kippers Wolters Kluwer Academic Publishers Automation Department Dordrecht, The Netherlands Marion.Kippers@wkap.nl "Leave the shadows dancing..." (OP) ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: Paul Davidsson Date: Wed, 30 Aug 95 14:42 MET DST Subject: RE: Virginia Astley There is also a compilation album that features a Virginia Astley song. The album is called "If you can't please yourself you can't please your soul" (1985, EMI) and the song "Waiting to Fall". The song is absolutely wonderful, almost in the same league as "Love's a lonely place to be"! /Paul Davidsson ------------------------------ From: bbrown@netaxs.com (Bob Brown) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 09:48:30 -0400 Subject: Bottom Line Hi Gang - I know that some of you (Meth, woj, Jeff et al) have been to the Bottom Line in NYC and perhaps you can give me a little insight into the place. I've never been there and I'm going on the 8th to see the Nields who are opening for David Wilcox. I'd like to get a good spot (sitting) up front. I have no idea how many people it holds, how early to get there to get a good seat etc. Also, do they have food or drink of any kind? And, is it a smokey environment? I'm taking a friend up to for the day (driving) and any other tips such as good CD stores (that sell used CD's), interesting book stores, etc. would be greatly appreciated. Any tips on where to park the car would be helpful as well. I think that early in the day we're going to head up to museums on the upper end and then work our way down to the area where the Bottom Line is. We're going to the 7:30 show. I personally don't have a problem with driving in Manhatten but my knowledge of safe, good parking is nill. Thanks guys! Bob =================================================== | "Bob, Stay Off The Ceiling!" - Katryna Nields | =================================================== ------------------------------ From: "Sage Lunsford & Todd M. O'Reilly" Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 11:43:58 -0400 Subject: Re: Mandy Patinkin *swoon* >I'm not sure whether you're referring to the _Dress Casual_ album, where they >perform the score for "Evening Primrose," or the one Sondheim show they Ack! I didn't know about this one!! *running to the music store to buy it* >actually did do together (Sunday in the Park with George), but I wanted to say This is the one I'd give a *lot* to see -- something about the raw emotion in both Bernadette and Mandy's voices combines to create something magical. Either that, or I'm just a sap who cries every time she hears "We Should Have Belonged Together"... :) >that Stephen would obviously give me free tickets too (since I'm his number one >fan), so maybe we could sit together? It'll be nice to sit next to someone with >such great taste! Definitely! I did make the mistake of trying to see The Secret Garden, with a role in it that Mandy originated -- my god, the guy they got to replace him was just *painfully* bad -- it's like they sat him down and said, "Okay, now just go nasal on every third vowel, and it will sound just like him!" - -Sage who has to go find her Sunday in the Park With George tape now... _________________________________________________ Sage (the Galactic Web Empress), Todd, eight feline cohorts and the Web Empire: http://www.dfw.net/~soulmate/ sagetodd@postoffice.ptd.net When I get email, my computer yells, "I am the Lizard Queen!" ------------------------------ From: Date: 30 Aug 95 13:50:29 EDT Subject: RUTH cover by Blue X It was Blue Pearl -- and I didn't know they were canadian -- are they? - -mjm ------------------------------ From: jwaite@popmail.ucsd.edu (Jerene Waite) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 14:12:35 -0700 Subject: EWS Seizure I've been trying very hard lately, staying only on my beaten paths, wearing blinders when forced to go elsewhere. (Sometimes those new music stores just pop up in front of me, unexpectedly--and, yes, a new Borders is being built just a few blocks from my house. THEY KNOW WHERE I LIVE!) But of course I had to get Jane Siberry's Maria, released yesterday. I know I should have sent an agent to purchase it in my stead, but I kind of wanted to listen to Heather Nova's Oyster too. And then I saw a Danielle Dax whom I hadn't heard before--and there was another one of her's for half price--but I liked the other one better, so I had to buy both. And I found recordings I'd not seen in this well-explored neighborhood music store before. Capercaillie and June Tabor and Sweet Honey on the Rock and Buffy Ste. Marie's Best of and one more that (damn) I can't even remember at the moment (oh yeah, Maire Brennan's newer release). Total=9. I also noticed that, in response to long past pleadings for Happy recordings, they now have probably the most complete selection of them that I have seen in a local (San Diego) music store. Except I couldn't wait that long and I already have them all. Also they are exhibited under H for Happy. So I got home at 9:30, having spent 2 hrs in the store listening to opening bits from about 15 CDs to weed out the ones I could possibly spend another day or two without. My CD player only holds 5 discs. And I could only listen to one and a half last night and another one and a half this morning. Too bad I have to work. My fingers played Tetris while my head listened first to Maria (JSiberry). I found it to be overwhelmingly beautiful and personal, particularly in certain places and my fingers stopped and I ended up with unusually poor scores. Although initially distressed because so many of the recordings I had chosen to listen to were UNAVOIDABLE NECESSITIES TO PURCHASE, I am now feeling somewhat contented and only anxious to hear them ALLATONCE. The hysteria is beginning to subside and the filthy affair of coming up with cash to pay off the credit card debt will be forced upon me soon enough. An addiction wouldn't be fun if I didn't like it so much. - --Jerene - ----------------------------------------------- Cherish the cycle; Freedom in time. --Happy Rhodes - ----------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ From: Philip Sainty Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 11:10:02 +1200 Subject: Re: ammee mann,jane siberry,jonatha brooke and the story,lisa loeb Irvin writes: > by the time ammee's album comes out it is going to be, what one, > two years old? good grief, she should record another album in the > interim and release a double album, or double release, two CD at the same > time kinda of thing (ala guns n' roses, or bruce springsteen). ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Odd examples for a post to this list, given Happy's debuts :) > i just got jane's new album (finally, man everyone on siblings > was talking about it, while piddly me had to wait until it actually came > out!). Well I got it before it came out, but I have to wait for about a month after it came out before I can get it :) (read (a) have promo cassette; (b) World Release dates don't mean much in NZ) > like everyone said, JAZZ. i like it a lot, but then i like jazz > too. real free form. some article (was it the reprise web site?) said > her last 20 minute opus (oh my my) was akin to a song that gertrude stein > would write and record if she wrote and recorded songs. i can see that. > i can see it more on her song begat begat, the way jane plays with words > and sounds and rhythms. I saw that comment too, but I haven't the foggiest who Gertrude Stein is... Would someone care to enlighten me? > no excuse eh? i regret it already, i will probably pick it up > tomorrow. *sigh* there goes my paycheck. Such is the life of an ectophile... Philip _ _ ___ _ _ _ (_ / | / \ |_) |_| | | (_ Philip Sainty (_ \_ | \_/ | | | | |_ (_ ectophil@comp.vuw.ac.nz - -------------------------------------------------------------- "This is where I want to be, this is what I need." --Kate Bush ------------------------------ From: spanglemaker Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 01:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: heather nova question so, i have "live from the milky way" and like it ok, but am a bit confused about the sarah/tori comparisons being floated. can anyone tell me if/how oyster differs significantly? i am in deep EWS and trying to avoid non-vital expenditures......:-O chandra ------------------------------ From: jeffw@triple-i.com (Jeff Wasilko) Date: Wed, 30 Aug 1995 22:25:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: heather nova question spanglemaker writes: > > so, i have "live from the milky way" and like it ok, but am a bit > confused about the sarah/tori comparisons being floated. can anyone tell > me if/how oyster differs significantly? i am in deep EWS and trying to Let me second that...I have "Milky Way" was well, and Ihave a hard time with the comparison as well.... Jeff - -- Jeff Wasilko, Systems Rep., Information International Inc. +1 617 937 9400 (jeffw@triple-i.com, jeffw@jane.camex.com) "I'll be youah race-cah drivah..." -- Jewel "Pahrk youah race-cah in Havahad Yahd?" -- Anja [smoe] ------------------------------ From: Dan Stark Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 01:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Letters To Cleo Hi everyone, Don't you hate it when you get an infectious musical hook in your mind from some new song you've only heard once or twice? The new Letters To Cleo song, "Awake", has been doing it to me for the past couple of days, after the alternative stations here started playing it. So I grabbed the CD today, and I actually like pretty much all of it. Now, I'm a big Juliana Hatfield fan, and this album has a lot of that Juliana feel. Maybe it's no coincidence they're both from around Boston...I don't know if they have anything to do with each other, but could this be a trend from that area? Letters To Cleo is a 5-piece band by the way, 2 girls and 3 guys. 3 members are guitarists, including lead singer Kay Hanley. The other female member is the drummer, and all 5 contribute vocal harmonies. This is Letters' second album as far as I know. I liked the song "Here And Now" from their last CD, but not enough to buy it, so I don't know how similar this album is. This one is power-chord alternative pop at its best though. Kay Hanley's delivery is sweet, young and playful, without any hint of vibrato or other professional vocal techniques, but she's dead on key throughout. Like Juliana, Letters sets some bitter lyrics over sickeningly happy, hooky upbeat melodies. There's only one really slow-tempo track on here, a cool 60's-type number that features Kay's vocal very close-miked and solo. I like it because it highlights the innocent quality of her voice. The rest of the songs are simple, catchy mid- to up-tempo numbers with varying degrees of layered vocal harmonies. Nothing innovative, progressive or meaningful, and it might sit completely forgotten in my CD rack a few months from now...but for now it's a cool, fun disc. If you like Juliana Hatfield, Veruca Salt etc., check this one out. My next purchase will be Heather Nova, thanks to all the positive comments here, plus the fact I can't get "Walk This World" out of my head anytime I hear it. Cheers! Dan "You're asleep and I'm awake and everything is so great" -Letters To Cleo - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- DAN STARK dstark@freenet.niagara.com ~\\|//~ St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada -(o o)- - --------------------------------------------o000o--(_)--o000o---------------- ------------------------------ From: Michael Matthews Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 03:30:02 -0400 Subject: Today's your birthday, friend... i*i*i*i*i*i i*i*i*i*i*i *************** *****HAPPY********* **************BIRTHDAY********* *************************************************** *************************************************************************** *********************** Marcel Rijs (mfgr@sara.nl) ************************ *************************************************************************** -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Marcel Rijs Mon August 31 1970 A rose growing old Meredith Tarr Wed September 01 1971 Virgo Mary Lou Rowe Sat September 03 1960 Virgo Scott Zimmerman Mon September 04 1972 Virgo Mike Mendelson Fri September 04 1964 Virgo Richard Dean Wed September 06 1967 Virgo David Blank-Edelman Sat September 09 1967 Neon Holly Tominack Thu September 10 1970 Virgo Troy Wollenslegel Mon September 18 1972 Virgo Joe Zitt Sat September 20 1958 Will Hack for CDs - -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- ------------------------------ From: Markku Kolkka Date: Thu, 31 Aug 1995 11:27:20 +0300 Subject: Re: heather nova question At 01.01 31.8.95 -0400, you wrote: >so, i have "live from the milky way" and like it ok, but am a bit >confused about the sarah/tori comparisons being floated. can anyone tell >me if/how oyster differs significantly? Don't know about "Oyster", but a few days ago I found Heather's "Glow Stars" at a local library. It certainly brings Sarah and Tori to my mind. If the rest of "Oyster" resembles "Walk This World" I guess her style has changed to more "commercial" direction. - -- Markku Kolkka mk59200@cc.tut.fi ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #206 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu