From: owner-ecto-digest To: ecto-digest@ns2.rutgers.edu Subject: ecto-digest V2 #204 Reply-To: ecto@nsmx.rutgers.edu Errors-To: owner-ecto-digest Precedence: bulk ecto-digest Tuesday, 29 August 1995 Volume 02 : Number 204 The Ecto digest is now being generated automatically. Please send problems and questions to: ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vickie the Ectophile Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 08:35:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Re: Chicago Hope On Sun, 27 Aug 1995, Anthony Horan wrote: > Mitch mitched: > > >Reminds me of a bit of business on _Chicago Hope_ the other night. Birch, > >the hospital lawyer, is in the nursery singing "Itsy Bitsy Spider" to his > >infant daughter, when Dr. Geiger, the imperious cardiac surgeon, needs his > >attention. Geiger brusquely tells Birch something on the order of "just > >tell her the spider died of melanoma from too much exposure to the sun." > > > >:-) That was *so* funny! > That was just on in the US? Could it possibly be that we're seeing > Chicago Hope in Australia *before* it airs in its home country? Naah, > surely not! We had that episode here a couple of weeks ago, though... It's the summer "re-run" season, so we're seeing a lot of episodes multiple times. The episode with Christoper Penn (the angry brother of a heart patient who holds an OR hostage) has already been shown 3 or 4 times. It's (IMHO) the best episode, so I don't blame them for showing it over and over again. The new season starts September 18. (Have you heard the good/bad news? The bad news is that Mandy Patinkin is leaving the show. The good news is that Christine Lahti is joining the show.) It's nice to know you're watching CH way down there in Oz. Do you get ER too? Vickie (yeah yeah...I *don't* just watch PBS) "Taking on the net was a colossal blunder for Scientology. Think of how many standard deviations worth of collective intelligence the net represents! Now imagine all that energy and creativity directed toward teaching those smug, lying, barratrous motherfuckers a lesson they'll never forget! Fuck with us, will you? I DON'T THINK SO!" -- Jim Lewis ------------------------------ From: "I think you'd better drop it..." Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 09:43:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: EctoSynchronicity, etc Joseph Zitt asked: >- At a used bookstore near there (I mean a used book store... though >the store itself seemed pretty well used... oh never mind) I spotted >a 1983 (?) CD named "Dream 6" by Johnette Napolitano and some others >(one was named Mankey -- was he also in Concrete Blonde?). Is it >worth dropping back there and spending the $1.99 for it? If you like Concrete, then yes, definitely pick up the CD. I got a copy of it when I bought the Mexican Moon CD. Dream 6 was the bands name right before Concrete Blonde. Johnette and Jim Mankey went on to form Concrete and got a different drummer. The songs sound a bit early 80-ish, but that's a good thing in my book. :) John ------------------------------ From: Date: 28 Aug 95 10:04:44 EDT Subject: Flying Pickets I found this recently (somewhat) CD'd disk a couple years back. I was not aware that they had other stuff out, so if anyone knows of actually CDs other than this one, please post... Flying Pickets, The Lost Boys (1984) 13 42:22 Remember This 02:34 I Heard It Through the Grapevine 03:32 Disco Down 03:24 So Close 03:25 The Tears of a Clown 02:38 When You're Young and in Love 03:23 You've Lost That Lovin' Feeling 03:51 Psycho Killer 04:04 Wideboy 03:11 Factory 01:50 Monica Engineer 03:39 Only You 03:23 Masters of War 03:21 Note that this is an '84 release, so I doubt that SLTS was done by them 'cos I thought they were defunct... maybe I am wrong. They are from England. The arrangements are kind of starchy -- for more interesting covers of everyday songs, check out the Bobs 2 cover albums -- Sing the songs of... and Cover the songs of... -- *much* more interesting. I do like some of the Pickets' stuff though, in particular Disco Down, Grapevine, Tears, and Only You (maybe their most famous cover). Bobs, The Sing the Songs of... 13 44:55 Purple Haze 03:15 Ring of Fire 03:18 Temptation 03:55 Whole Lotta Love 03:25 You Really Got a Hold on Me 03:41 Helter Skelter 01:55 You Can't Do That 03:21 Come Together 04:04 Psycho Killer 03:42 Fever 03:26 Good Lovin' 02:35 Through the Wall 03:54 Sittin' in Limbo 04:17 Bobs, The Cover the Songs of... (1994) 13 45:41 White Room (Cream) 04:05 First There is a Mountain (Donovan) 03:23 Unchain My Heart (Ray Charles) 03:07 The Wind Cries Mary (Hendrix) 04:18 The Golden Road (Grateful Dead) 02:06 Is That All There Is? (Peggy Lee) 04:20 Disco Inferno (The Trammps) 03:39 Lonely at the Top (Randy Newman) 03:14 Bird on a Wire (Leonard Cohen) 02:18 Particle Man (TMBG) 02:22 Searchin' (Coasters) 04:11 Mess Me Up Again (Richard Greene) 03:31 Strawberry Fields Forever (Beatles) 05:00 The Bobs have a new (original) album coming out imminently. - -yourravingacappellalunaticmjm ------------------------------ From: Marion Kippers Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 17:29:17 +0200 Subject: Virginia Astley Hi all, I offered to write something about Virginia Astley for the Ectophiles Guide, and I thought I might as well post it here first - any additions and corrections are welcome. Does anybody know anything about other (more recent) releases? What is she up to nowadays? Virginia Astley started performing (with the Ravishing Beauties) and recording sometime in the early 80's. She studied music but soon started to compose her own material, performing and experimenting. She plays piano, keyboards and synthesizers, flutes and sings. Her voice is high and thin, a bit childish, and not very strong, but it does suite her music. As for 'what is her music like?', I think she could vaguely be compared to Enya, also in the way she uses and sometimes overdubs her voice, but her music is quieter, softer, a bit more down to earth, and on the other hand more pop. Not necessarily like 'if you like Enya, you'll like Virginia Astley...' People like Philip Glass, Brian Eno and Laurie Anderson have also been mentioned in connection with Virginia's approach to music (back then in 1983). Virginia's first album was "From Gardens Where We Feel Secure" (1983, Rough 58 - Happy Valley Records, produced by Russell Webb), and it's all instrumental, mainly piano, accompanied by flutes, hobo, voice (no lyrics), birds, swinging gates, church bells, sheep... A songtitle like "With my eyes wide open I'm dreaming" (on the "Morning" side of the album, the other side is called "Afternoon") sort of describes the music. It's quiet, peaceful, neo-classical, a bit new age I guess, with occasionally a slightly disturbing sound - think Enya's "Watermark" (the song), but then even more quiet. Music to listen to when you're lying in the grass on a hot summers day... "Promise Nothing" (1984, Les Disques du Crepuscule, TWI 194, produced by Jon Astley and Phil Chapman) is quite different. It's a sort of compilation album, containing the four tracks of her first 10" EP "A Bao A Que", a track she recorded for an NME-cassette, another single, and two tracks from "From Gardens..". Those two are the only instrumental pieces, the other tracks are more headed towards popmusic. There's keyboards and synthesizers instead of the piano, but the flutes and hobo remain, with an occasional guitar or cello, and her music still has a sort of classical feel to it. "Arctic death" is chilling, dark and cold - it would very well have fitted on Hector Zazou's "Songs from the Cold Seas" CD. The other songs seem lighter, they still have that "quiet" sort of feeling, but her lyrics are often a bit sad. My favourite song is the perfect little popsong "Love's a lonely place to be", which was almost a hitsingle in the UK in 1983, with fairy-like tinklebells, but don't be fooled by the music... Somebody once requested this 'lovesong' to be played on the radio for his girlfriend, who then broke up the relationship. "You're not my friend and I'm not your friend / how can we deceive / ourselves like this"... The only thing I know about her other (more recent) releases is that she worked with David Sylvian (or the other way around) on "Hope in a darkened heart" (1986?), but that's about it. I also don't know if those first two albums have ever been released on CD, or in the US - I've still only got the European releases, on scratchy vinyl... Best wishes, Marion ______________________________________________________________ Marion Kippers Wolters Kluwer Academic Publishers Automation Department Dordrecht, The Netherlands Marion.Kippers@wkap.nl Now playing: Heather Nova - Milky Way ______________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ From: hyams@alpha.nsula.edu Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 09:53:45 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: An announcement Damn Dave, "... oooh what a lucky man he (is)..." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ tschuess! {8-> | "...I see red/sleek and bare/suits will die collier hyams | /their lives false/I will shave my head/before hyams@alpha.nsula.edu | parting at the ear/I will shave my head..." http://rever.nmsu.edu/~maldrin/idc/idc.html | international dub corps ___album entitled "wonder where you are" available from CMC @ 1-800-882-4262__ On Wed, 23 Aug 1995, Dave Torok wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I haven't been able to reach all of you by phone (those of you whom I've met) > so I'm posting here to spread the news. I've also been quite a lurker lately > since I've taken four one-week business & vacation trips this summer and haven't > had a chance to catch up on Ecto. Anyway, the announcement.... > > I'm engaged! I popped the question a week ago to my amazing girlfriend of > about 1 1/4 years Sarah. And she said yes! We've set the general date of > November '96 for the event. This is the woman who walked all the way across > Philadelphia to pick up a ticket for me for Happy at the Middle East, even > though she couldn't go herself, so that I could avoid buying through > Ticketbastard :-) > > -=$>Dave<$=- > torok@nynexst,com > ------------------------------ From: lakrahn@imho.net (Laurel Krahn) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 12:52:54 -0500 Subject: Books: Hugo winners The Hugo Awards were presented last night at the World Science Fiction Convention in Glasgow, Scotland... Since we've discussed books here, and in light of the recent Brian Froud thread, I thought the results would be of interest. Here the results are for all of the awards, as reported on GEnie last evening... The Seiun Awards: Dan Simmons for HYPERION Cordwainer Smith for a short story he wrote in 1961 for Galaxy First Fandom Award: Jack Speer Harry Warner, Jr. Big Heart Award: Kenneth F. Slater John W. Campbell Award: Jeff Noon And now, the Hugos: Best Fanzine: ANSIBLE, edited by Dave Langford Best Fan Writer: Dave Langford Best Fan Artist: Teddy Harvia Best Semi-Pro Zine: INTERZONE, edited by David Pringle Best Dramatic Presentation: "All Good Things" (STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION) Best Original Artwork: LADY COTTINGTON'S PRESSED FAIRY BOOK, by Brian Froud and Terry Jones Best Professional Artist: Jim Burns Best Professional Editor: Gardner Dozois Best Non-Fiction Book: I, ASIMOV, by Isaac Asimov Best Short Story: "None So Blind", by Joe Haldeman Best Novelette: "The Martian Child", by David Gerrold Best Novella: "Seven Views of Olduvai Gorge", by Mike Resnick Best Novel: MIRROR DANCE, by Lois McMaster Bujold Best, Laurel (lakrahn@imho.net) Krahn, Webspinner Virtual Home: http://imho.net/~lakrahn/index.html IMHO Productions: Internet Consulting, Training, & Web Design ------------------------------ From: jeffy@wam.umd.edu Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 15:17:26 -0400 Subject: Oyster I picked up Heather Nova's _Oyster_ today, and I must say that I'm *quite* taken. I definitely want to see her show at the end of September. Neal or other DC ectophiles, any of you planning to go? The Sarah comparisons seem vaguely valid -- I can hear a bit of Sarah here and there. I think it sounds a bit like Sarah run through a Belly filter. And "Sugar" sounds almost like it could be Mary Margaret O'Hara. Great stuff...highly recommended! Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "When I look in the mirror, I see a little clearer/ | | | I am what I am and you are you too./ Do you like | |jeffy@wam.umd.edu | what you see? Do you like yourself?" --N. Cherry | ------------------------------ From: "Sage Lunsford & Todd M. O'Reilly" Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:07:22 -0400 Subject: Re: Books: Hugo winners Not to sound crabby or anything, but only *one woman* (and maybe 2; I guess Gardner could be a female name) won? *sigh* And here I was thinking it was the 90's... >Here the results are for all of the awards, as reported on GEnie last evening... > > Dan Simmons for HYPERION > Jack Speer > Harry Warner, Jr. > Kenneth F. Slater > Jeff Noon > ANSIBLE, edited by Dave Langford > Dave Langford > Teddy Harvia > INTERZONE, edited by David Pringle > "All Good Things" (STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION) > by Brian Froud and Terry Jones > Jim Burns > Gardner Dozois > I, ASIMOV, by Isaac Asimov > "None So Blind", by Joe Haldeman > "The Martian Child", by David Gerrold > "Seven Views of Olduvai Gorge", by Mike Resnick > MIRROR DANCE, by Lois McMaster Bujold A tired and rather depressed, - -Sage _________________________________________________ Sage (the Galactic Web Empress), Todd, eight feline cohorts and the Web Empire: http://www.dfw.net/~soulmate/ sagetodd@postoffice.ptd.net When I get email, my computer yells, "I am the Lizard Queen!" ------------------------------ From: VNozick@tribune.com Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 13:45:13 -0700 Subject: Re[2]: Chicago Hope Vickie wrote: >(Have you heard the good/bad news? The bad news is that Mandy Patinkin >is leaving the show. The good news is that Christine Lahti is joining >the show.) What is this show -- a nursing home for former Broadway performers? Next thing you know, Julie Andrews will come on board as the new intern who has a side job as a nanny to a family of strangely-accented singers. :) ==> Valerie :P ------------------------------ From: lakrahn@imho.net (Laurel Krahn) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 16:28:28 -0500 Subject: Re: Books: Hugo winners At 04:07 PM 8/28/95 -0400, Sage Lunsford & Todd M. O'Reilly wrote: >Not to sound crabby or anything, but only *one woman* (and maybe 2; I guess >Gardner could be a female name) won? *sigh* And here I was thinking it was >the 90's... (Gardner is male, yes) Well, previous years have had a higher female quotient for winners of the awards. There were quite a few women nominated... I don't have those lists easily accessible... I don't think I've ever heard anyone talk of the Hugo's being at all sexist...they're voted for by members of the World SF Conventions... I have a number of female friends who were nominated... anyhoo... best, Laurel (lakrahn@imho.net) Krahn, Webspinner Virtual Home: http://imho.net/~lakrahn/index.html IMHO Productions: Internet Consulting, Training, & Web Design ------------------------------ From: "Sage Lunsford & Todd M. O'Reilly" Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 17:26:12 -0400 Subject: Re: Books: Hugo winners >Well, previous years have had a higher female quotient for winners of the >awards. There were quite a few women nominated... I don't have those lists >easily accessible... Oh, don't mind me :) I'm going through a very frustrating patch of writer's block which has got me grumpy and out of sorts, ready to jump on anything. > >I don't think I've ever heard anyone talk of the Hugo's being at all >sexist...they're voted for by members of the World SF Conventions... I really didn't mean to imply that they were sexist -- honest -- just was kind of shocked to see that only one woman won, considering how many excellent scifi/fantasy writers are out there (and also disappointed to see that none of my favorite writers won). - -Sage _________________________________________________ Sage (the Galactic Web Empress), Todd, eight feline cohorts and the Web Empire: http://www.dfw.net/~soulmate/ sagetodd@postoffice.ptd.net When I get email, my computer yells, "I am the Lizard Queen!" ------------------------------ From: sra5@psu.edu (Sarah Andrews) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 17:54:21 -0500 Subject: Happy experience I'm one of those people who is here even without having heard or owned any of Happy's work, which renders me primarily a lurker. But recently I was in Detroit visiting my parents, and I was listening to the AAA radio station there, the River (93.9) (why do they have to introduce a great new station as soon as I move from the area?), while I was doing some housework. And in the middle of one of the sets I got this really weird Happy "feeling" like, is this song by Happy? And lo and behold, at the end of the set Ann Delisi informed me that it had, in fact, been Happy. Now, how in the world did I know that? The same thing happened to me again this last weekend during the local NPR station's folk show when I had this Alison Krauss (sp?) feeling and I was right. Somehow Ecto is rubbing off on me and I haven't even heard the songs before! pax, Sarah Sarah Andrews sra5@psu.edu "And I wanted them to stop the car and let me out so I could go fill up my suitcase with unnecessary plastic items..." - Nanci Griffith, intro to _Love at the Five and Dime_ ------------------------------ From: "Mitchell A. Pravatiner" Date: Mon, 28 Aug 95 18:43:46 EDT Subject: Stuff in passing WRT Veronica's query: Kathy Mattea does some reasonably progressive country music, though I must admit that her recent record "Walking Away A Winner" has been a little overexposed in some circles. WRT Philip's comment: The _Chicago Hope_ episode I alluded to was a rerun. Wishing a happy housewarming to Amy. Hope her representation in the Congress is good at the new location. I lucked out in that department, narrowly--my actual congressman is good, but I'm only half a block outside of Mel Reynolds' district. Back to following the debate over the impending destruction of PMC MOO as we know it. Mitch ------------------------------ From: gregdunn@indy.net (Greg Dunn) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 19:49:33 -0500 Subject: Hugos & c. Laurel saith: >The Hugo Awards were presented last night at the World Science Fiction >Convention in Glasgow, Scotland... Since it's over and done with, I can safely point out that my wife, Linda, was one of the five John W. Campbell Award nominees. We didn't really expect to win, but it was nice to be associated with such a fine bunch of people :) :) OTOH, I'm absolutely thrilled for the Novel, Novella, Novelette and Short Story winners; they're all friends of oura and wonderfully deserving of their awards. Dacid Gerrold, author of the Novelette winner "The Martian Child", wrote it partially about his adopted son. This is a highly recommended story that Ectophiles might appreciate! Ciao! - -- | Greg Dunn | "Information is not knowledge; | | GregDunn@aol.com | knowledge is not wisdom; | | gregdunn@indy.net | wisdom is not truth." | | Greg@gdunn.nawc-ad-indy.navy.mil | -- Frank Zappa | ------------------------------ From: rlovejoy@pipeline.com (Robert D. Lovejoy) Date: Mon, 28 Aug 1995 21:23:08 -0400 Subject: Re: Happy experience On Aug 28, 1995 17:54:21, 'sra5@psu.edu (Sarah Andrews)' wrote: >is this song by Happy? And lo and behold, at the end of the set Ann Delisi >informed me that it had, in fact, been Happy. Now, how in the world did I >know that? Welcome to the wonderful world of ectosynchronicity! Fuzzy Blue Robert ------------------------------ From: "Joseph Zitt" Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 00:10:21 +0000 Subject: Re: Ian & Sylvia? On 27 Aug 95 at 12:27, Neal Copperman wrote: > My dad was hanging out in tour the other day, and was drawn to the ian & > sylvia discs. I guess he's got some old records by them. Anyway, he > noticed that they were mostly old, but that there were some relatively > new discs, but these were only by ian. Anyone know if they split up or > what there story is? I very vaguely recall that Sylvia runs a small record company, or did in the early 80s when I last heard of her. Anyone know their last names? They may shake loose a few more jammed neurons. - ---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------1---------- |||/ Joseph Zitt ==== jzitt@humansystems.com ===== Human Systems \||| ||/ Organizer, SILENCE: The John Cage Mailing List \|| |/ Online Representative, Austin International Poetry Festival \| / Joe Zitt's Home Page\ ------------------------------ From: gregdunn@indy.net (Greg Dunn) Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 00:20:48 -0500 Subject: Re: Books: Hugo winners >Not to sound crabby or anything, but only *one woman* (and maybe 2; I guess >Gardner could be a female name) won? *sigh* And here I was thinking it was >the 90's... > Yeah, but what a woman! Lois is a tremendous person (we've known her for years) and has forced a lot of people to re-evaluate the "notion" of male-dominated SF (a fallacy, IMHO -- look at all the talented women who've won awards: CJ Cherryh, Connie Willis, Vonda McIntyre, James W. Tiptree, MZ Bradley, Andre Norton...). Three "Best Novel" Hugos, one for Best Novella, plus two Nebulas and a few Locus and Davis awards along the way. Can you tell I'm a big SF fan? :) Also a believer in writing being a big equalizer; few people of any age, gender, or occupation write as well as Lois. Or as well as one of my other champions, Rebecca (RM) Meluch. Anybody wants to discuss this over the Email circuit, to conserve bandwidth, please do! :) - -- | Greg Dunn | "Information is not knowledge; | | GregDunn@aol.com | knowledge is not wisdom; | | gregdunn@indy.net | wisdom is not truth." | | Greg@gdunn.nawc-ad-indy.navy.mil | -- Frank Zappa | ------------------------------ From: Dirk Kastens Date: Tue, 29 Aug 1995 08:44:00 +0200 (DFT) Subject: Re: Virginia Astley On Mon, 28 Aug 1995, Marion Kippers wrote: > first - any additions and corrections are welcome. Does > anybody know anything about other (more recent) releases? What > is she up to nowadays? As far as I remember Virginia has worked with Anne Clark in the early 80s. The second side of Anne's second album (the title escaped me, it was the album with Sleeper in Metropolis on it, released in 1982) is a collaboration with Virginia Astley. But I will look it up at home. Dirk Kastens _______________Dirk.Kastens@rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE Universitaet Osnabrueck Phone: +49/541/969-2347 Rechenzentrum Fax: +49/541/969-2470 Albrechtstr. 28 49069 Osnabrueck Germany ------------------------------ End of ecto-digest V2 #204 ************************** ======================================================================== Please send any questions or comments about the list to ecto-owner@nsmx.rutgers.edu